>>35357 Austic Goon tier derailers acting autistic over not being able to post CP on a website they hate because they're that fucking high on the spectrum. So yes, they're that retarded.

>>35352 No, I think jim had a motivation to make a SAFER site, no different than acids motivation, and that it lead to every decision he made being bad and antithetical to what the site was supposed to be, you know, a site that "embraces infamy". >>35358 Never went to /intl/ and have no motivation to bring up these kinds of issues on other sites because they aren't wearing the skin of a site I used to love. I'm beyond tired of these hugbox altchans creating boogeymen that they apply to any outsider, like /cow/ thinking that everyone that disagrees with them is the guy that caused them to kill their own site.

>>35351 This is fantastic. They are being so transparent how much they despise other's free thoughts.

>>35360 >No, I think jim had a motivation to make a SAFER site, no different than acids motivation, and that it lead to every decision he made being bad and antithetical to what the site was supposed to be, you know, a site that "embraces infamy". Removing borderline CP is making the site "safer" if we go with that phrasing. That is a clear decision with clear consequences that makes sense. Taking the site down for months on end with zero communication with anyone only for it to come back more broken than it was when it got shut down and for it to inexplicably be missing all the boards is not comparable. The motivation is irrelevant, that's the point. If Jim thought that approach would make the site safer, better, or even more profitable it doesn't matter. I don't care about his motivation, I care about the competency and results of the decisions themselves. I also don't care about appealing to some concept of what a site is "supposed" to be. "Embracing infamy" can mean anything. It's an entirely relative cringy sentiment that no one left hanging around gives a fuck about. Taking the site down for that long with no communication and bring it back in a tattered ruined state killed the site and the communities. Banning borderline CP did not. Banning borderline CP wasn't a bad decision. Taking the site down for months with zero communication was a bad decision. The motivation behind either of these choices is irrelevant. The motivation for both can be the same while the individual decisions themselves can have radically different outcomes. There's no way you can't grasp this.

>>35330 Thanks to the Disney musical Hamilton their younger black people and white women who unironically not only think Thomas Jefferson was black. They think Thomas Jefferson and George Washington were anti-slavery activists. Leftists think only Andrew Jackson was a pro-slavery President.

>>35331 Since the thread is almost over and I won't be continuing this in the next one; >Where do you think those 10,000 people went? Do you think they just decided 4chan is actually great after all and that they don't need a free platform anymore? Yes, I do. By the time old 8chan was reduced to a shambling corpse by Jim, 4chan was under new ownership and the passion and anger of the #GG Exodus had died down to embers. With their home site dead, the next best option for many anons is the site, however shitty it be, that has the most people on it to talk to and the most content to consume. What remained on 8kun between the deplatforming and the loli ban were the ultra-diehards. i.e. us, and those people are who this site has inherited its userbase from. With everything bad that happened I imagine that 8chan expats on 4chan now see their time with us as a failed experiment and have no desire to repeat it. So they stay. And will probably stay there forever barring Hiroshi repeating moot's mistakes. >Could you honestly say you would've taken in the gamergate exodus despite all the baggage with the site run how it is? It was an indisputable harm to 8chan with the weeks of DDOS attacks and domain takedown, I know you would've kicked gamergate the fuck out whether you choose admit it here or not. Absolutely I would take them in. Considering where such an exodus might originate from (4chan, banned Reddit communities, social media site purges) I expect the real problems to be caused by people like yourself shouting about "normalfags" and "cuckchan refugees" etc. and trying to tear the site apart from within rather than allow a #GG-like group to settle in and be happy. The Russian government, a world power, flexed and fucked on this site once already, small as it is. We peed in their eye and didn't back down. Make of that what you want.

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Seems someone's taking a detour into memory lane in the NEW THREAD: >>337492 >>337492 >>337492 >>337492 >>337492 >>337492 >>337492 >>337492 Man would my past self be disappointed with how video game companies would be conducting themselves today.

>>35362 The only boards it was missing were the controversial ones, and the backend of the site was completely redone to better aid the feds in dealing with the kind of calls to violence that lead cloudflare to taking the site down in the first place. The entire motivation for it was making sure the site was safer and wouldn't be subject to another takedown attempt, even banning loli was done under the same justification. Every year after jim took over was 8chans worst year, the idea that the site was perfect until cloudflare took it down is retarded, people were leaving it in droves even before then as the site could barely manage to get a third of the activity it used to get before jim.

>>35364 If you honestly believe any of the bullshit you just said to me then theres nothing more that needs to be said anyways. I don't buy for a second that you'd tolerate a community coming in that results in an almost month long DDOS attack and a lost domain like gamergate did to 8chan by moving there.

>>35368 We already lost a domain, and a host, and our CDN, and a DDoS protection provider once each on this very website and didn't let it slow us down. You'd know that if..........

>>35369 You did let it slow you down, you iced every controversial board hoping the heat would blow over, if it never did then those boards would've never seen the light of day again.

>>35370 What the fuck are you talking about?

>>35371 Hes acting smug about only temporarily kowtowing to outside pressure instead of permanently doing it like jim. Except all it would take is that pressure to be applied again for him to go right back to behaving exactly like jim and removing whatever has suddenly become a threat from the site.

>>35367 >The only boards it was missing were the controversial ones It was missing literally all of them. You had to manually request your board get migrated over. >Every year after jim took over was 8chans worst year, the idea that the site was perfect until cloudflare took it down is retarded, people were leaving it in droves even before then as the site could barely manage to get a third of the activity it used to get before jim. I don't disagree. Jim did plenty of other retarded shit. This still isn't an argument against anything I've said.

>>35372 I don't see any kowtowing at all. If anything, there's been pushback.

>>35373 They had people apply for migration weeks ahead of time and most of the uncontroversial boards were moved over by the time the site launched, just because you rightfully didn't check fucking twitter for status updates doesn't mean they were uncommunicative about it before the launch. When it comes to you siding with jim on his first bad decision of many it mainly just comes off to me as a biased interpretation of the events, he was getting rid of a segment of the userbase he didn't like and you also didn't like them so to you it was a good decision, but objectively speaking slicing off as huge a segment of the userbase as pedos were to the site like it or not is a terrible decision that did nothing but harm the site in the long run. >>35374 Then you weren't around to see them throw a blanket over all the loli boards and force them to scramble around looking for a new site to have a bunker on while acid hoped the heat would blow over, it was a total gamble and theres no guarantee it won't happen again with a more concerted effort. That situation showcased that all it takes to get anything you want removed from this site is enough pressure.

>>35375 Are you talking about when the loli boards were tor-only for a while but still reachable through the proxy? Have you considered suicide yet? THEY DID THAT TO BUY TIME TO FIND A NEW HOST YOU INSUFFERABLE DIPSHIT. THIS WAS CLEAR AND PUBLIC KNOWLEDGE. fffffffffffffffffffaaaaaaggooottttt

>>35375 >They had people apply for migration weeks ahead of time and most of the uncontroversial boards were moved over by the time the site launched, just because you rightfully didn't check fucking twitter for status updates doesn't mean they were uncommunicative about it before the launch It contributed to the lack of content on the site when it came back which furthered cemented peoples apathy. Most BO's fucked off by the time the migrations were occurring or had completely checked out and made their own sites. I don't even know what point you're trying to make here, you obviously know the way this was handled was stupid and fucked over the site. >When it comes to you siding with jim on his first bad decision of many it mainly just comes off to me as a biased interpretation of the events, he was getting rid of a segment of the userbase he didn't like and you also didn't like them so to you it was a good decision, but objectively speaking slicing off as huge a segment of the userbase as pedos were to the site like it or not is a terrible decision that did nothing but harm the site in the long run. I can just as easily say it did no harm to the site at all. You have no basis for these claims. Sites perform perfectly fine without pedophiles. Cuckchan is perfectly active without pedophiles and with all the poz that comes along with it. By what metric are we measuring whether or not a decision is good? If the site is active it's a good decision and if it isn't active it's a bad decision? Then why is cuckchan popular? Why is any popular proprietary pozzed site popular? You've fixated on a fundamentally flawed approach to your argument. That the banning of pedophiles has some casual relation to activity of the site. But the reality is that people have actively avoided multiple sites that appealed to pedoniggers that cropped up to compete with 8chan after it's downfall. And the reality is that there are plenty of successful sites that don't allow pedoniggers. Banning Qniggers is a productive action that would have contributed to the quality of any site they infested. Banning pedoniggers is the same. Determining who ought to be banned isn't difficult unless you've locked yourself into a principled position for no reason than it sounds cool or bad ass.

>>35376 Theres been multiple instances of them fucking with the loli boards because they were used as an attack vector so we could be talking about different times, I don't recall there being any way to access the boards tor or otherwise. >>35377 The point I'm trying to make is you're attempting to pin 8chans demise on the cloudflare debacle while handwaving away the pivotal moment that cemented 8chans fate as only being 8chan in name. You do realize that the reason 8chan was a viable platform for the 4chan exodus in the first place was its stance on anything legal staying right? And that taking over the site and banning an entire subset of the userbase on day one because you don't like them entirely undermines that, right? But let me guess, running a site "locked into a principled position" like that is actually a bad idea and jim was infact improving the site by throwing that out and slowly losing the entirety of the userbase hotwheels garnered thanks to those principles?

>>35378 >You do realize that the reason 8chan was a viable platform for the 4chan exodus in the first place was its stance on anything legal staying right? At no point was there some mass migration based on anything legally questionable. Every instance of people flooding in from cuckchan was something completely mundane getting banned. There is no basis for this claim at all. Every major exodus was about something completely innocuous getting banned from cuckchan. >But let me guess, running a site "locked into a principled position" like that is actually a bad idea and jim was infact improving the site by throwing that out and slowly losing the entirety of the userbase hotwheels garnered thanks to those principles? Correct.

>>35379 The fact that the site would only remove illegal things guaranteed gamergate a platform there, theres no guarantee of a platform here and so if a similar situation happened they aren't going to come here only to get kicked out because their presence causes too much trouble. I hope you're just being ironic by agreeing to my premise that was made to illustrate how retarded siding with jim is. I find it hard to believe you actually think jim did the right thing in killing the site just because it stopped it from being a platform for people you don't like, nobody is that petty.

>>35380 >The fact that the site would only remove illegal things guaranteed gamergate a platform there, theres no guarantee of a platform here and so if a similar situation happened they aren't going to come here only to get kicked out because their presence causes too much trouble. Legality doesn't guarantee anything when you're dependent on corporations to host your platform. A server host might be comfortable with hosting loli drawings but not be comfortable with people making social circles where they talk about their pedophilic desires. Regardless I don't think people need a guarantee of anything. If a sites operator is transparent you can look at how they act, what decisions they've made, and make a choice of your own on whether or not you have confidence in the platform. I could just as easily make the argument that confidence in the freedom of a platform that hosts content notorious to attract bad actors, glow niggers, and pedophiles would be less because these are all factors likely to result in complete censorship of the site. >I hope you're just being ironic by agreeing to my premise that was made to illustrate how retarded siding with jim is. I find it hard to believe you actually think jim did the right thing in killing the site just because it stopped it from being a platform for people you don't like, nobody is that petty. I don't care about "losing" pedophiles. I don't care about "throwing out" that userbase. I don't care about the principles. You have no basis for the claim this is what killed the site. So yes, I absolutely agree that Fred should not have allowed borderline CP and onion links to CP on the site on the principle of free speech and technical legality. When your principle of technical legality is allowing for people to link to CP sites you need to then establish what the fuck it is you're trying to achieve. You have to ask yourself what your objective in creating or engaging with an imageboard is. My objective is discourse, having fun, maybe making friends and shooting the shit. Exchanging ideas. These things do not need to allow for the distribution of CP links. I can both have conversations about video games and saying I hate niggers while not wanting to see links to CP. I don't think that not wanting to see links to CP regardless of the technical legality means I need to concede anything in terms of what I want to get out of an imageboard. I wholesale reject the idea that banning links to CP will necessarily lead to banning discussions about hating niggers or trannies.

>>35380 You fucking kike. Acid spelled it out straight to your face that nothing is removed here except what would force the site to literally stop existing, and /hebe/ is sitting there as proof that he's right despite everyone sane hating it and what do you do? You go right back to the beginning of your same retarded fucking argument like this entire thread didn't even happen. Kill yourself you triple nigger faggot, everyone can see what youre doing

>>35381 >Legality doesn't guarantee anything when you're dependent on corporations to host your platform. A server host might be comfortable with hosting loli drawings but not be comfortable with people making social circles where they talk about their pedophilic desires. 8chan lost the .co domain thanks to opponents of gamergate putting pressure on the host, but they didn't get what they wanted. Had jim or acid been in charge then they would have gotten what they wanted and 8chan would've been dead right then and there before the exodus was even fully established. Its thanks to the guarantee of legal things staying no matter the cost to the site that put 8chan in the position of the second most popular imageboard on the site, a position I'm confident this site will never achieve. >My objective is discourse, having fun, maybe making friends and shooting the shit. Exchanging ideas. All of which are more easily achieved with more users, and you get more users by permitting what mainstream sites like 4chan won't permit. Every altchan created now has to compete with what 4chan already provides and it provides an endless stream of what you say you want out of an imageboard, the real question is why would you sacrifice that in order to be here on a site that solely exists to protect anime pedo porn instead of a place like 4chan where your objectives can be fulfilled ad infinitum at any point in the day across any subject you could possibly think of? >>35382 /hebe/ is sitting there as proof that this isn't actually 8chan, anyone unaware of the difference between this site and 8chan will be made immediately aware upon visiting that board. Jim left a text only pedo board up for years as well you know until it too was claimed by the ever encroaching censorship, only it barely saw any use just like the one on this site barely sees any use. I don't even think it should exist, its done nothing but stir shit while providing no benefit to anyone and the owner has already abandoned it in favor of creating their own hugbox. The only purpose it serves is reinforcing the illusion that this is supposed to be 8chan, and upon closer inspection that illusion is revealed to be just that so what difference does it make?

>>35375 They came back up with fewer restrictions, though. They were hidden boards until then. >>35383 >/hebe existing as a textboard is bad and cucked <but it should be deleted, actually Okay, I'm not even arguing with you anymore you disingenuous faggot. Nothing anyone does is sufficient and you'll find some reason to bitch. If X is done, it's proof the site sucks and isn't 8chan, if Y is done instead, it's also proof the site sucks and isn't 8chan. At no point have you offered anything substantial or given a concrete position. Your only argument is that, no matter what happens, it's the wrong choice.

>>35383 >Had jim or acid been in charge then they would have gotten what they wanted and 8chan would've been dead right then and there before the exodus was even fully established. Its thanks to the guarantee of legal things staying no matter the cost to the site that put 8chan in the position of the second most popular imageboard on the site, a position I'm confident this site will never achieve. This is just wrong. This site had domains and CDN's that refused to service the site because of loli boards yet the site still exists and those boards do as well. Do you even use this site or know anything about the things that have happened here? You're very ignorant for someone with such strong opinions about these issues. >All of which are more easily achieved with more users, and you get more users by permitting what mainstream sites like 4chan won't permit. Why would permitting these things result in more users? Do you think the more open and accessible a platform is the more users it gets? Can you give me a single example of this ever being the case? Because every mainstream huge platform has done nothing but clamp down on what is permissible yet their numbers keep going up. Yet again the pedonigger knows no logic. He sees no reason. Everything he knows and thinks adjusts in real time to suit his incessant desire for perversion. None of what you're saying makes any sense.

>>35383 >and you get more users by permitting what mainstream sites like 4chan won't permit. Idiocy. Why is facebook popular? Why is twitter popular? Why is reddit popular? Why is 4chan popular? It isn't because they allow pedos.

>>35384 I've stated my concrete position, run this site like 8chan. The response is that its a risk they aren't willing to take so they'd rather just stay with this single purpose bunker hugbox that will never appeal to anyone beyond that. In that case theres no reason for /hebe/ to exist at all except as yet another way to trick people into thinking this is 8chan when it isn't, as if calling your fucking site 8chan isn't enough. Like I've said I wouldn't give a shit how this place was run if it just called itself gamergatehq or literally anything else but 8chan, I don't bother going to 8kun complain about the way its run because they've self admittedly abandoned being 8chan with the rebrand. >>35385 The only reason this site has a userbase at all is because of its permitting of lolicon or else mark would've just went to jewshes 9chan instead and all of you would be there. Getting rid of it would be suicide so of course they'd do whatever it takes to prevent that. As for why permitting things that mainstream sites don't would result in more users I honestly can't believe you'd even ask this, its the only reason 8chan got as popular as it did. It gave platforms to people nobody else would like pedos, nazis, and gamergate and together they created a viable imageboard in which they could talk about a wide variety of subjects. >>35386 These sites already exist and have locked down being able to appeal to normalfags and garner an audience that way. You aren't going to make a twitter thats run exactly like twitter and get anyone to use it because twitter already exists. Just like you aren't going to make an imageboard thats run like 4chan and get anyone to use it because 4chan already exists. You have to appeal to the users 4chan originally appealed to before it went mainstream, the outcasts. Thats why when 8chan did that it recreated the same kind of culture that 4chan used to have and people liked it so much. And why once jim took over and turned it into 4chan lite the userbase dwindled down to nothing over the years as they all returned to 4chan because it has more users and was run the same way at that point.

>>35387 >The only reason this site has a userbase at all is because of its permitting of lolicon or else mark would've just went to jewshes 9chan instead and all of you would be there. Getting rid of it would be suicide so of course they'd do whatever it takes to prevent that. So you've completed 180'd on your accusation. At least you can admit when you're wrong. >As for why permitting things that mainstream sites don't would result in more users I honestly can't believe you'd even ask this, its the only reason 8chan got as popular as it did. It gave platforms to people nobody else would like pedos, nazis, and gamergate and together they created a viable imageboard in which they could talk about a wide variety of subjects. Except we know this isn't true. Calling people niggers is banned on cuckchan, yet people continue to use cuckchan instead of this place. The fact that this site lets you call people niggers has not brought in an influx of users. Your example is being applied strictly to pedophilia when we can see that with literally every other aspect of this site enabling a topic or speech that is otherwise banned everywhere else it hasn't resulted in more activity. The initial exodus was an exception as it occurred during a different era of internet and in completely different circumstances. Your logic doesn't apply to any other issue so why should I accept that it uniquely applies to pedophilia? It's not like cuckchan is going to have some random pedophile exodus.

>>35387 You're a complete moron. The reason those websites have the population they do is because the average person is an idiot. Appealing to the retarded ass pedoniggers isn't a good way to grow an imageboard. The more I interact with your kind, the more I want to kill you.

>>35388 >So you've completed 180'd on your accusation My accusation is that they bent to the pressure and hid the loli boards hoping the pressure would go away, and they did that. They're just lucky the pressure didn't last or this site wouldn't have either, thats all. >Calling people niggers is banned on cuckchan, yet people continue to use cuckchan instead of this place. The fact that this site lets you call people niggers has not brought in an influx of users. There isn't a subset of people that really want to say nigger like there is a subset of people that really want to discuss gamergate or nazism or what have you, I'm pretty sure it was a bannable offense to say nigger even before gamergate got banned but it didn't lead to an exodus because nobody really cared enough to abandon a platform over it, its an apples to oranges comparison. >>35389 8chan wasn't appealing to the average idiot until jim took over, thats why it was so great. That the outcasts it was appealing to included people you don't like doesn't change how great of a platform it was during its heyday.

>>35390 >My accusation is that they bent to the pressure and hid the loli boards hoping the pressure would go away, and they did that. They're just lucky the pressure didn't last or this site wouldn't have either, thats all. So instead of deleting the boards or shutting down the site a temporary compromise is unacceptable to you? I'm just going to stop responding or reading your posts now. Sorry anon, but this conversation is starting to get boring with how silly you're being. It was fun while it lasted.

>>35391 When how long the "temporary compromise" of hiding the boards is solely dependent on how motivated the people trying to hurt the site are yes I do find that unacceptable. You're betting the fate of your whole site on your opposition getting bored and giving up, just because you guessed right this time around doesn't make it a good idea as all it would take is someone motivated enough to destroy you in order for them to succeed.

>>35392 What a fantastically stupid take.

>>35393 Yeah I kind of based it on the assumption that this site would ever gain enough relevance to motivate anyone to destroy it when realistically theres no chance of that ever happening, what an oversight on my part.