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Touhou 18 confirmed Nameless Fairy 02/27/2021 (Sat) 12:36:43 No. 2023
Touhou 18: Unconnected Marketeers (Touhou Nijiryuhora) has been announced! https://touhou-project.news/news/3368/ Starring Sakuya and Sanae as additional playable characters. The theme and gimmick seems to revolve around mysterious cards. Trial is planned to be released on March 21th. Tell your expectations and opinions.
I-I-IT'S TIME TO DUEL
What types of youkai are associated with rainbows? I wanna know what new girls we're likely to get.
>It is a relatively challenging system for STG, such as equipping it with your favorite abilities or purchasing it on the way to increase it, but it is a content that you can play without discomfort 2hu with shop and upgrade system
>>2024 My first thought as well. >>2026 For god's sake, don't give ZUN ideas. Touhou showing up on Steam already could have been the first step on the road to madness. Actually scratch that, we already have/had 2hu gachashit anyway
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>>2026 ZUN is trying to mix STG with pseudo-gacha after he had to deal with several companies borrowing Touhou IP for not one but multiple Touhou gacha games. >>2028 ZUN most likely won't go that far for his own games. If anything this game could be a little satire/jab to them. We'll see when we get the full story.
>>2023 >Sakuya and Sanae again
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>>2030 They are the main protagonists, so is Youmu. They will keep appearing in a circulation. I guess ZUN is still iffy on using non-humans like Aya and Cirno as playable on main games.
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>>2025 The game is also about marketing Any other business youkai/gods out there?
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東方虹龍洞 roughly translates to "Eastern Rainbow Dragon Cave" But I doubt there'd be any returning bosses though.
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>>2026 >2hu with shop and upgrade system u.n. squadron was her?
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>>2036 Meiling can't leave her post and can only dream, literally
>>2023 Titlescreen Reimu looks worse compared to 17.
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>>2042 On the other hand, I think ZUN's drawing has considerably improved. I thought ZUN is still bad at drawing hands but that's a nice hand.
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Well this is some pleasant news. Surprised we're hearing about this before an official release of 17.5. I Was half-expecting it to be a phantasmagoria game seeing that it's been nine games since the last one. There's enough new characters for it to work. >Sanae's a playable character again Between this Kanako, there may be some Moriya shrine shenanigans again. Could be me just wanting a less seen character be given time to shine, but given the theme, more than likely not going to happen.
>>2044 17.5 is being released at Reitasai if I remember right.
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>>2023 >Sakuya and Sanae
What are Sakuya and Sanae saying in their screencaps?
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>still no playable Clownpiece
This whole diversity culture is getting to me, I feel like girls' skin is darker than it should be on the screenshots.
>>2051 It's just light tan The game probably set in summer
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>>2050 Cirno is once again way ahead of Clown
>>2053 I wonder if anyone will actually make a doujin trading card game based on this game.
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>>2054 There's already several like https://danmaku.party/ , TouhouTCG, Touhou Ginfuritsu, Touhou Shisouroku, etc
>>2055 >Danmaku!! is not a trading card game, so you can play with up to 8 players with a single copy of the game. you lied to me okuu
Here's a silent prayer ZUN does not actually embrace the gachashit.
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>Lately, mysterious cards have been getting passed around among everyone. These cards have the secrets of various humans and youkai on them. Who is responsible, how are they doing it, and why… with all these questions shrouded in mystery, the miko begins her investigation. Cards...secrets... What are they? Who might be selling them?
It could be related to this https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Karuta https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hanafuda Also, the actual reading for the title is Touhou Kanryudo
>>2058 When in doubt, it's either a Moriya conspiracy, or the Lunarians trying to stir up shit again. Although we technically are still in the Beast Youkai ark, so the Yakuza might also be involved. As a matter of fact, the term 'Yakuza' in itself is based on the card game Oichi-Kabu, so it would make sense if we meet with Yachie and Saki again. And Keiki technically could find a fellow "ally of humanity" in Miko.
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>>2057 <Our ZUN who art among the beer kegs <Hallowed be thy games
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>>2060 The full version of 17.5 is planned to be released along with 18 demo on March 21th. We will see Toutetsu soon and by then you can count her in as character that might be involved in this card incident, since she is said to be greedy and possibly has business-like mindset out of the three yakuzas. >>2057 Anon, depending on you look at it he already sorta did. There's already 4 Touhou gacha titles existed, though none of them fall under official games and only got ZUN's permission to let companies use his IP for derivative commercial games. It's almost no different than allowing Taiko no Tatsujin to use Touhou songs and characters. Just search Touhou Cannonball, Lost Word, Dungeon Dive and (soon) Danmaku Kagura.
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TENSHI AS MC NEVER FOREVER
>>2064 Coming to think of it, do you think ZUN gets royalties from the 'commercial' games? I doubt he would want a piece of the pie from the usual doujins that barely make in their production costs when sold at Comikon or whatnot, but that's a wildly different scenario from games that sell thousands of copies on Steam. As far Toutetsu is concerned, I agree. With Kanako being a playable in 17.5 and the whole Yakuza shtick in 17, some sort of 'business arc' over crime, oil, and childrens' card games seems quite plausible.
>>2075 ZUN definitely get royalties from commercial business, since by definition they aren't the same as doujins, regardless of profit.
>>2077 Where do you draw the line, though? I'd expect trying to get royalties from your average doujin writer wouldn't be worth the administrative hassle, but stuff like fan-made music albums could produce enough of a profit that you'd want a part of it.
>>2080 Nah, ZUN won't take royalties from doujin music albums no matter how big it becomes. The line is drawn from the nature of creator and how the work is sold. If you're selling your works on doujin platform as non-commercial group/circles, ZUN won't ask for royalties. You dont even need permission. If you're a commercial company planning to sell ZUN's IP commercially, you need special permission and ZUN has rights to get profit share. Music circles like Sound Holic can get millions of yen a year but as long they only sell it at Comiket and ZUN's affiliates, he won't bother. If Aniplex start producing Touhou merchandise for public market, ZUN definitely has to get royalties from the big company, even if it's just few bucks. At least, that's as far as I know.
Speaking of doujin music, it's funny that when user like us use bgm from doujin music for recreational video on jewtube, all sort of copy kike was charged to the uploader. But when the media does it, not even a single credit was given in their closing credit and nothing of that really matters.
>>2086 Serves them right for not using superior originals.
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>rainbow Finally it's her time to shine
>>2026 >>2029 >>2028 It could be a system where one of the item types is a kind of currency that can be used to buy stuff at the end of each level, Xenon 2/Raptor style.
>>2060 http://yokai.com/suiko/ >Suiko rank above kappa in the hierarchy of water goblins, and as such are sometimes placed in charge of them, with one suiko placed in charge of 48 kappa. (They are sometimes called the oyabun, or yakuza bosses, of kappa.) I solved it final boss of new 2hu is a suiko
>>2110 I don't think such mid-tier youkai would be the final boss. At best it would be Extra boss. But it could also be the leader of fourth animal organization in Animal realm (that specialize in cowardly attacks and wasn't collaborated during WBaWC).
>>2111 The fourth group had something to do with parasitic animals, so that isn't likely.
>>2035 That’s quite a long gohei she got there. Also it truly warms my heart that ZUN is improving his art, little by little.
>>2116 For a miko gohei is like her penis a part of their body and it keeps growing together with them well into old age.
>>2117 But it actually shrank a little this time. What if it keeps shrinking instead and no man will want to marry Reimu anymore once it is too small?
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>>2119 She'll be fine, she learned not to rely on her rod since DDC !
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>>2120 >crushed under the mighty miracle mallet R-rod and ball torture!?
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They leave Youmu behind alone this time and she won't take it.
>>2122 Youmu does not understand card games and would just cut through all of the cards, therefore she cannot be in this game.
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>>2119 By that time Reimu will be too old to get into action anyway. What matters now is her gohei is still more than enough to punish youkai.
>>2125 Reimu getting married and having to bore an heir reminds me of a doujin that theorizes that there have been several generation’s worth of Reimus over the course of the game because of how normal humans can’t keep up in the long run against actual gods.
>>2128 But have there been several generations' worth of Marisas?
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>>2129 I doubt Mima would have the temper to tutor more than one Marisa.
>>2130 But that would also explain why we haven't seen her again.
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Hehe rainbows
>>2137 What hu would sulk most about it if you tell them rainbows are gay?
>>2139 Alice. She's called the "Seven-Colored Puppeteer" and bragged abour her multi-color "powerlevel" the most out of any 2hus.
>>2130 Joke's on you, she only trained Marisa as a physical body so she could possess her later on and become immune to Reimu's magical bullshit.
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You know what makes sense in a game about money and marketing/business? Lucky monie cat, of course!
>>2317 >copyright ZUN Could have at least tried to make it passable.
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>>2318 ? You think it's fake?
>>2319 ZUN never credits himself as anything other than TSA. Unless it's different for demo disks.
>>2319 >another girl with midriff First Urumi and now this. Is ZUN losing his innocence?
>>2321 >first Urumi Ringo came before Urumi. The lore for Ringo keeping her belly button visible is to motivate herself to not get fat though.
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>>2321 After he removed clothing damage? PC-98 ZUN was better.
>>2324 17.5 has the lewdest clothing damage yet since it lets you learn that Yamame is canonically shaven.
>>2325 >No non-mamalian pubic pseudohair Shit.
>>2329 sorry kiddo she is the smooth spoder
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>>2325 By the way, Kokoro wears no panties according to HM's artist. And he drew her personally, so it's canon even if ZUN doesn't want to admit it. >>2330 How does she climb walls then?
>>2324 Finally got home, can prove I'm not a fucking secondary. Also, holy shit, PC-98 menus were so much better (save for maybe Prayers). Mystic square's music room is absolute fire.
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>>2332 So, this is officially the song that plays when you sex Reimu.
>>2332 >Mystic square's music room something fun: play "endless" with emulation speed at 150%. [for np2, add "CPUSMENU=150" to the ini; can add more values separated by commas]
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You guys will be here when the jap stream drops, right?
>>2334 Didn't get it. I guess it sounds vaguely like Flowering night in the beginning?
>>2339 oh, no, i just meant that it's fun to listen to at that speed. it becomes bouncy and upbeat.
>>2340 Okay. Though it resolves a bit too quickly then and feels repetitive because of that.
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We don't know her name yet and she already get a merch. This sets off to a good start.
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>>2319 >>2317 Is she going to throw gold ingot as danmaku ?
Chen x Orin x goldcat threesome doujin when?
>>2352 About a year.
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>>2346 We don't know her name yet and doujin was already made
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Reitaisai is starting. Someone look for some nip player's stream on Nico/Youtube. Reitaisai stream probably won't show any gameplay, at least not earlier than those who bought the game.
Some chink got the copy https://live.bilibili.com/h5/262964
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>>2358 By the way this is the game stream How many of you are/were watching?
Here's the run on Youtube, without commentary https://youtu.be/Sk_GMGEPX_M
Oh, a new game? That's cool. Got good koumakan doujins?
>>2360 So the second boss is a purse tsukumogami? The third boss reminds me of lunarian character designs.
>>2366 >purse tsukumogami It's a yamawaro/land kappa You can tell it's a green Nitori
>>2368 I couldn't tell because she's 2 tol for a kappa
>>2368 >land kappa what next, elusive flying kappa?
>>2360 Looks good so far. The fan artsts seem to be pretty accurate on the new cat girl's personality. We finally got a name for her as well (Goutokuji Mike). The green-dressed Kappa (or I assume Kappa, since she has the same key necklace as Nitori) looks interesting. I like the cargo dress with the extra pockets. At least we didn't need to wait to see what the name is (Yamashiro Takane) The third girl (Komakusadayuu) looks like a dragon gate guardian. Maybe going for the western dragon route on how they protect their treasure? The pipe looks cool. >>2370 >elusive flying kappa I don't think so (unless you count how Nitori flies in the fighting games). Otherwise, no one's shirikodama would be safe.
>>2370 They've been around since part of WaHH.
>>2371 >The third girl (Komakusadayuu) looks like a dragon gate guardian. Maybe going for the western dragon route on how they protect their treasure? The pipe looks cool. She's apparently a mountain witch.
>>2375 Indeed. Just checked the wiki. Looks like she also runs a gambling den. Takane is a land kappa, where they deal with the business and finance end of the Kappa corp (though her ability is shown to be the manipulation of forest qi). Mike is "Happily Unemployed", probably running on her natural luck to acquire money and other needs.
>>2368 Hey, my guess actually is right for once. Either Nitori or another form of kappa are practically mandatory for a game about oil. Especially considering Kanako is already on board. >>2375 >>2376 So the same species as Nemuno (Yamamba) ? Kind of odd for her to be a socialite, considering mountain hags supposedly are extremely solitary by nature.
>>2378 No, she's something called a yamajorou.
>>2376 >Takane is a land kappa Do those also eat salty assballs ?
>>2383 I'm not sure, but I think there might have been something in WaHH about them not eating those.
>Takane's last spell card Reminds me of the NES Silver Surfer game.
>>2383 I think they dont, but they really like sumo and rape.
If you have more than one active card, how do you switch between them?
>Komakusadayuu >mountain witch >runs gambling ring >her honorary title is the one used by brothel madams So, she is pretty much pink Seiga?
>>2392 No, she uses her tobacco smoke hypnosis to keep the conduct of her establishment gentlemanly.
>>2393 >mindcontrol Holy fuck she is even worse then that grave robber Somebody call the Miko!
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>>2393 Opium toe-hoe, China is in danger.
>>2394 No anon. She is a reverse Clownpiece and is a good girl that stops fights instead of starting them.
>>2396 >good girl >running illegal gambling estabilishment for monsters >while growing, selling and abusing opiates Thats not what good girls do.
>>2376 Any arts of the new catgirl jerking (you) off in her lucky pose?
>>2383 Kappa eat salty assballs because of sodium deficiency from living in freshwater rivers. And land kappa don't have to worry about it because they suffer from water deficiency in general.
>>2395 Looks like Watatsuki in chinese clothing. Shit design overall. Yamakappa is okay and catgirl is pretty good.
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>>2325 >you meant her legs Fuckdamit, got me mildly interested for nothing. Lewdest clothing damage, my ass.
Are you into armpits, my guy?
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>>2403 More like pussy. But actually thin waist and slim belly. Either way, no actual spider legs = shit portrait. AND her portrait is still not upside-down like it should have been from the very beginning.
>>2405 Speaking of portraits, how come there are no 2ho nudemods yet?
>>2406 isn't that what doujins are for?
>>2407 I can't 1cc a doujin.
If anyone makes a bullet hell that gets increasingly lewd as I play, I will probably actually play it. Like bullets tearing off clothes, and sex after beating the boss.
>>2409 There's a game like that, I believe
>>2411 I'm interested. It's probably a badly drawn doujin game, or a very old PC-98 game? I remember seeing one animated gif that is apparently from some PC-98 shmup.
>>2412 I think it's a Gradius parody. The girl bosses are giants and you shoot her to shred her clothes. Not sure if there's actual nudity or even sex scenes.
>>2413 Parodius definitely doesn't end in sex, even if a squid is one of the main characters.
>>2408 You really can't 1 cum clear any 2hu doujin, anon?
>>2416 The ones that only take 1 cum are usually too casual for me to even bother.
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Sluttiest official girl I've seen yet, a new low for ZUN. The gimmick is one we've seen in other shmups but not unwelcome until someone breaks it. Don't like all the criss-crossing shit. Would be posting on zgag but it keeps going down fuck FUCK. t. primary
>>2419 But anon, Sannyo only gets called a prostitute as an affectionate nickname.
According to the translation of Sanae's route, Takane canonically helped out with building the cable car to Moriya Shrine, which means Nitori and Takane have in fact worked together on a project before.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pSdjKImDTzU Does this sound like better Touhou 18 music than the Touhou 18 music to anyone else?
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Anyone try the demo yet? Experience so far; >Reimu >Unfocused is (nerfed) homing, focused is needles >bomb is signature orb bombs Overall not as powerful as other characters, but still ok >Marisa >Unfocused is typical lasers, focused is missiles similar to SA Nitori Marisa >Bomb is MASTER SPARK! Standard Marisa for the most part. >Sakuya >Unfocused works similar to SA Aya Reimu, where some of the knives move in different directions, but slowly return to center >Focus keeps said knives in the last position >Bomb makes her bring out The World and freeze everything on screen Bomb and strength aside; WHAT THE FUCK WERE YOU THINKING ZUN!? >Sanae >unfocused is lasers with flying frogs like UFO Sanae B, focused has homing snakes like UFO Sanae A >Bomb is her UFO Sanae B bomb that does high damage when it goes off, and makes you invincible for it's duration Basically easy mode. Also, the C key activates your ability card. You start with the mallet by default (not sure if you unlock more permanently as you get more cards). The Mallet is a close range attack that produces a lot of money when it hits an enemy. Best used on bosses or enemies with slow startup to their attacks since it has a cooldown and you need to be right in front of them. Besides life shard and bomb shard cards, not entirely sure what the other cards do yet (My japanese is really rusty). All in all, barring questionable choices for character abilities, it's looking alright so far. At least Marisa is good to play still. I feel bad for the Sakuya mains. I fear that with some SA abilities brought in, more things from that game will come back. ZUN please don't bring back the popcorn bullets again.
>>2443 >Sakuya Please tell me you cannot shot yourself with your own bullets.
>>2445 Thankfully no (your knives don't stay in place), and the benefit of the bomb is that you can past through bullets unharmed. The bomb itself lasts for 2-3 seconds and removes all bullets, but I was wrong about enemies being frozen. It only freezes the bullets. In my rage at seeing what Sakuya's shot type is, I didn't keep track of the exact details. To clarify on her shot type, 2 rows of her knives (increases as you gain power) go the opposite direction you go when unfocused (splitting in different directions if moving down or up), centering itself again if you remain still for a second. Focusing locks the knives in their current state. Despite being powerful even at level 1, this makes it awkward as fuck when trying to kill enemies cluttering the screen while trying to get as many items as possible. You either go with doing less damage but hit enemies in different areas easier, or remain focused to kill enemies in your line of sight faster.
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Found an edit of Takane in my travels, and instantly thought of this.
If the cards allow for anyone who has them to use them, does this potentially mean that even Kosuzu can fight now thanks to them? Would Kosuzu as an extra boss combining every card to create a variety of spell cards work?
Looks like the language patch is (mostly) complete for the game. At least I can tell what the ability cards do now. One thing I didn't realize is that you instantly unlock the cards you purchase for future playthoughs (thought you had to beat the 3 stages before keeping them at first). Should help with making combos to start out with. >>2497 Potentially yes, but even if she had all the cards at her disposal, she wouldn't have the combat/danmaku experience the other characters have. If anything, she could be a midboss in the game or a future character in a fighting game using said cards. Considering how little of the game's story is given so far, we don't know what the (actual) cost is making these cards is or the consequences of them getting into the public's hands. Speaking of which, I originally had a theory that the cards were made by capturing/stealing other characters and putting their essence or souls in the cards in order for them to work, but was debunked when cards like the yin-yang orb came up. Theory doesn't really hold when one of the cards is based on a playable character's power.
>>2501 >Speaking of which, I originally had a theory that the cards were made by capturing/stealing other characters and putting their essence or souls in the cards in order for them to work, but was debunked when cards like the yin-yang orb came up. Theory doesn't really hold when one of the cards is based on a playable character's power. Plus there was something about Patchouli saying the cards aren't drawing power from the characters they're based on.
Drawing the new girls before everyone else should be made into an actual legit speedrun competition where since the moment ZUN announces a new game people stream themselves traveling to the festival, purchasing it, playing to all the new girls and scribbling down some vaguely similarly colored squiggles as quickly as possible.
>>2528 I think it'll be to judge hard since you can literally draw a stickman with vague hats around it and call it a day.
>>2605 Well, yes, the whole point is to draw your stickman before everyone else.
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Is this real?
>>2614 >No compatibility with Windows 7. I hope so.
>>2615 But WHY do you hope so?
>>2614 Chimera confirmed? Or at least something with three snake/head appendages.
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>>2617 Sorry. I meant to say "I hope not".
>>2614 >>2615 It would be weird if it was real. The demo works perfectly on 7. What significant change would there be to the game to suddenly remove that compatibility (should it be true)?
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Also, the release date of full game is on May 4th, around two weeks from now.
>>2622 MSN integration.
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What do you guys think about the rumor that the cover 2hu could be Zaou Gongen, shinto-buddhist god of the mountain?
tthh
>>2649 impossible, as it will be a qt grill instead
>>2649 >shinto-buddhist god of the mountain Which one? I doubt it will be it, the only thing to suggest that is the pose, and its not like poses are unique toonly one being.
>>2651 Of course he will be turned into a girl. Suwa-no-kami and Matarajin are male deities too but they are female in Touhou.
Isn't Steam Release going to be in around 24 hours or so?
>>2701 There already are the first leaks about the new characters. Going by the (supposed) last name of the Stage Six boss, my idea about chimeras wasn't so far off.
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Newhus
>>2706 Is it really true Misumaru made Reimu's yin-yang orb?
https://cytu.be/r/kimeemaru gonna try and 1cc the new game
>>2706 >Tsukasa Another kitsune perhaps? If so, as she gains more tails, does her breast size increase as well? >Misumaru Kinda getting an Aunt vibe from her. Another member of the old maid alliance? >Megumu 2P Aya with longer hair. Not that I'm complaining >Himemushi That's a lot of bows and rings. Looks like an Oni, but different from Yuugi or Suika. If so, she'd be the first one in the series not holding or having an alcoholic drink. >Chimata It's like looking at the personification of an LSD trip. Not only that, she must have gotten that cloak from the same place Okuu got hers, then dyed her hair the same way. I can already tell that there will be people saying that she's posing like a Jojo character. All in all, not the worst designs nor the best in the series. Looking forward to seeing what they're stories are regardless. Also checked to be sure; Despite being advertised as a windows 8/10 game, the game will run on windows 7 still. Translation patch still needs work (crashes at the first bit of dialogue).
Link?
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>>2709 So, based from what little I can gather and assume, the plot and some of the lores here are: Megumu and Chimata both collaborated to create ability cards using Misumaru's power. Megumu wants profit/money while Chimata want to strengthen her power. Misumaru Tamatsukuri is a god whose ability is to produce magatamas, an artifact which is said to be able to copy and contain souls and abilities. I assume her power is used to create the cards by copying and sealing abilities inside them. She is also said to be creator of Reimu's Yin Yang orbs. Megumu Iizunamaru is a Daitengu or great tengu whose ability is written as "manipulating starry sky" and seens to be carrying a tripod (maybe for telescope). She's probably the one who provide the paper cards and distributing/selling them. Her reason for doing this seems to be financial profit. Chimata Tenkyu is a goddess of ownerlessness. She basically gain powers from items that are no longer belong to anyone. However, simply throwing an item away doesn't give her much power becuase it's still perceived as that the items are abandoned by "them". The best way for her to gain powers is in marketing, where items get sold and will be no longer associated with the owner and I assume become neutral. Also, appearently trading items outside of market doesn't count since it just means the items switched ownerships, and this trend was what weakened her in the first place. I still have no idea what actual myth deity she is based on. Tsukasa Kudamaki is a kuda-gitsune, an evil little fox youkai often used as familiar to do evil deeds such as body-possession and stealing riches, but she can also bring its own owner to ruin. Someone said that she's been whispering bad things to the bosses which may be responsible for pushing the incident to occur. Before the final boss fight, Tsukasa informed Chimata that Megumu was going to betray her since if Chimata restored her power, the Tengu will be in danger as well. I assume Tsukasa is Chimata's familiar. Momoyo Himemushi is an Omokade, a vicious and poisonous great centipede youkai said to torment dragons. In the actual legend it's said to be so great it can wrap a mountain seven and a half times with its body. In the game, she is simply mining for Dragon Pearls in the cave to consume and when encountered by the protag, she said it's time for "dessert".
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>>2715 Update: Misumaru doesn't have anything to do with the villains' ploy. They were using Dragon Pearls mined inside the Dragon Cave to copy and seal abilities into the cards. Misumaru came to investigate the cave too because it might endanger the mountain and her magatama requires material from the mine too, which the bad guys over-exploited.
>>2716 >Misumaru, who created Reimu's yin yang orb, tried to solve the incident too So she's Reimu's Mima equivalent and will be playable in the next game?
So Misumaru created Reimu's yin yang orb, but what's the lore behind her knowing who Sakuya was beforehand? That wasn't really expanded on.
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I can't stop getting turned on by the dialogue after stage 4 ends someone help me.
>>2719 Silly Cirno, the only time to get turned on by hus choking is when they choke on your cock.
>>2706 The last one looks like Sumireko's sonic OC. Also is it just me or did Zunfaces suddenly get worse again after improving over the last few games?
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>>2721 I'm just glad he's learning to draw hands and feet.
that smug ass smile gets me
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Here is Chimata's profile that explains the plot Spoiler ahead >Stage 6 Boss >God of the Unowned >Chimata Tenkyuu >Species: God >Ability: Capable of letting one relinquish ownership >For humans, letting go of things is difficult. >Even if you give it to someone, the information that it was a gift from you will remain. >Even if you throw it in the trash, or illegally dump it on a mountain, the information that someone left it there will remain. >Relinquishing ownership is no easy feat. >However, there exists a place where that act can be perfectly carried out. >The one place where people can exchange objects: the market. >By selling something at a market, you can completely give up possession of it. >She's a god who governs that act. >These days, the buying and selling of things has come to occur without a market's involvement much more often, and as a result, there is an utter glut of ownership rights. She lamented this fact. >When Iizunamaru came to her and asked her to open a marketplace, she knew there was no way she'd let this chance slip by. >She replied that she'd cooperate with her if, and only if, the transactions took place under strict conditions, like those of the original marketplaces. >She understood full well that Iizunamaru was taking advantage of her for a business endeavor. >She was fine with this, because she thought that once the endeavor succeeded, she'd have already regained her power as a god and would have nothing to fear from a mere Great Tengu. >The first market was held on the mountain's peak, as a rainbow encircled the moon. >The only participants were Chimata, Iizunamaru, Tsukasa the kuda-gitsune, and Momoyo the oomukade. >In that first market, they bought and sold cards with their own abilities sealed inside. >Beneath the lunar rainbow, the four of them exchanged cards back and forth. >Just as they'd planned, the replica abilities sealed in the cards completely detached from their original owners, and became part of their new owners' abilities. >Both Iizunamaru and Momoyo were greatly excited by this result. >Many more markets were held after that, and the cards spread far and wide out from the mountain. >In order to use the cards' abilities, they had to be purchased according to the rules. >Stealing, discarding, picking up, or receiving them wouldn't work. >Those were the rules put in place so that Chimata, the market god, could obtain power. >Iizunamaru thought of the markets as pure business, but for Chimata, they were a ritual of worship for her to regain her divine strength. >When friction began to openly develop between the two of them, a force of destruction that would end it all arrived. >She called that force of destruction a "robber"-- the so-called destroyer of the market, who tried to solve things through violence. >Strangely enough, that human "robber" arrived on a night when a rainbow encircled the moon, just like their first market had.
>Megumu's page updated with her personality and story >In Unconnected Marketeers, Megumu is initially polite yet cunningly deceitful, lying through omission to the protagonist and convincing them to battle her former business partner, Chimata Tenkyuu. She is singularly concerned with concentrating power into the hands of the tengu, and is willing to set different factions against each other to achieve her goals. >Megumu forms an alliance with Chimata Tenkyuu for the purposes of distributing Ability Cards. It's described as a somewhat self-serving and one-sided alliance on Megumu's side, where Chimata was in a weakened state and required help to regain her divine power. Megumu had Chimata use her marketplace abilities to further her own goals, which was to introduce centralized currency into Gensokyo by backing it on the speculative value of the Ability Cards. Until Megumu's scheme was put into motion, the concept of currency having an inherent value or being centralized was not something that existed in Gensokyo,[1] and Megumu saw this as an opportunity to seize power for herself by distorting people's sense of value beyond the inherent value of labour. At end of the Ability Card Incident in Unconnected Marketeers, she decides to willingly cease distribution of the tengu's currency due to losing her alliance with Chimata, but not without first attempting to manipulate the protagonist into defeating Chimata for her. And she goes to being my least favorite character of this installment. Makes me wonder what Aya thinks of her. Despite telling blatant lies herself (in her articles), Aya at least considers how it will affect those in said articles. Megumu seems to be an example of pic related. Chimata at least is based on an old Japanese custom and ritual and not purely for the sake of profit.
>>2730 I like how the latest chapter of CoLA consists of Rinnosuke explaining to Sumireko why centralized currency is retarded.
>>2730 So she is like Yachie but with economy instead?
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I wonder if the disparity between Megumu and Chimata in their business scheme is also an attempt to mimic how Touhou is being exploited by non-doujin companies for gacha games and stuffs. Chimata who treat the market as ritual of worship that should be regulated (doujin scene) and Megumu who tried to expand the business for gain as much profit for her society and to eventually control the economy (commercial scene). Though it's not like ZUN rejected every commerical offer as he's been working with merchandise company and rhythm games for as long as I can remember, and recently porting games to various platforms and approving gachas. However, it could be some sort of warning in case the commercial exploits start getting out of hand and ZUN losing his power over his work (like Chimata does). Still, it's a little savage since ZUN has been sponsored by companies like Unknown X to hold various events recently, including anniversary. Though this company in particular seems a bit funny to me...
How in the fuck do you get "Unconnected Marketeers" from 虹龍洞 ("rainbow dragon cave").
>>2737 Each Touhou always have two different titles, one japanese and one english, both written by ZUN. It's never intended as one thing means the other literally. Like, Touhou Youyoumu means "Eastern Ghastly Dream", not "Touhou Perfect Cherry Blossom".
>>2732 Somewhat, but not exactly. Her goal of a centralized currency is not an ability (her actual one being the manipulation of the starry sky), but more of a desire. However, it would have result in something similar to Yachie's ability over time (should she have succeeded) given the nature of such a currency system. What concerns me as well is how many people are aware of what Megumu tried to pull, but are willing to overlook that because she looks cute and sexy. I'm not surprised though, since she isn't the first case of a character that has a goal similar to her that has fans overlooking it due to having a cute/sexy design. One could argue that she may have learned her lesson after being defeated, but given how she basically threw her partner Chimata under the bus, I doubt this is the last time she'll try to pull something like this off.
megumu did nothing wrong you fucking secondaries
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>>2743 Care to explain why? From what I've seen so far, Megumu's plan alone would constitute her doing something really fucking wrong (not to mention how she and Kanako get along (based on Sanae's endings) being a red flag). I'd be interested in hearing a counterargument.
>>2742 I thought it was the guda-bitsune people were overlooking the deeds of due to sexiness.
>>2746 They do that with Tsukasa too, but she's a whole other case in and of itself. She'll just betray everyone over time if it brings her any vitality and wealth. It can be argued however, that it's in her nature to sew chaos into a situation, and eventually bring disaster to people's plans (especially when it comes to finances). Even so, she shows no remorse or regret in her actions. I wouldn't be surprised later on she told Megumu to go fuck herself and leave her destitute (the story already implies this a bit based on her actions).
>>2743 >>2742 >may have learned her lesson Touhou antagonists are youkai and female. People are expecting too much from them.
>>2748 I dunno anon. Even Jo'on at least halfway learned her lesson.
>>2749 Do gods cont as youkai?
>>2751 Kanako sees fallen/evil gods as mere youkai, so it may be a matter of perspective.
hard replay: https://i.fiery.me/7al23.7z Lunatic would probably take me a day or two especially with these broken items but I don't feel like it. I stand by the fact that the birdie did nothing wrong and was only acting in the best interests of the birdie tribe.
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>>2747 I think the relationship between Megumu and Tsukasa is deeper than we think. Megume is based on Izuna Gongen, a deified daitengu known to use kuda-gitsune as familiar including setting them on fire to burn enemy castle, and often seen riding white fox as part of his identity. https://www.japanese-wiki-corpus.org/Shinto/Izuna-gongen.html So, while it's true Tsukasa like to cause ruin to everyone including her own employer, it might be not the case with Megume since she could be Tsukasa's direct superior who command her kin instead of simply hiring her as familiar, as per their origin.
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>>2755 >I stand by the fact that the birdie did nothing wrong The Tenju did so much wrong and would've ruined Gensokyo. The only thing she didn't do wrong was save her own ass when cornered. >and was only acting in the best interests of the birdie tribe. She claims to be doing that, but pic related would be the most likely scenario should she have succeeded. >>2756 Interesting. Perhaps the fox does have a standard to her betrayals. She and Megumu are still conniving cunts though. Much appreciated for the information.
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>>2759 Aya deserves that kind of boss.
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>>2759 Wrong. I set up my own centralized gachacoin currency whenever I play terraria to bully my friends into being poor and it works out great. You're just jealous you didn't come up with the idea first stupid ningen.
Tengoo never stop competing with tanooki for the Jews of Gensokyo title, do they?
>>2762 In all honesty, I can't remember tanukis acting all that jewishly in 2hu canon. Foxes I can though.
>>2763 Disguising themselves as humans isn't jewish?
>>2764 Tengo did it as well.
>>2766 Same with kitsunes.
Is the 17.5 release date still missing in action?
>>2769 Yeah but it should be released this year
>>2770 I wonder if we missed out on one card in 18 because of 17.5 not releasing on time.
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Physical copies are being sold and if you buy one you get a free card. The true transaction approved by market god.
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Translated: Nice butt.
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>>2797 >>2798 D O R K G O D O R K G O D
Chimacoin, when?
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>>2816 Chimata will be vehemently against crypto if anything.
>>2818 secondaries will latch onto it like clownpiece and freedom even though it's basically the opposite in either case
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>>2825 mfw people will still think that she is making a dollar sign with her pose even though she's just pointing heaven and earth, since she is partly based on god of guidance and rainbow is the bridge between god realm and human world, and how it's all related to the market ritual
>>2762 I think you're confusing the Kappas with the Tengus. Although, the Kappas usually stick to themselves and would not bother humans unless it's time to jew them for their money and cucumbers. hey wait a minute, that's the chinese that i'm talking about
>>2827 Never saw a kappa jew a human out of their money. Post examples.
>>2818 Kudacoin then. That's even better cause she looks like a mascot of some chinese notApple Technologies.
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>>2829 Megucoin, more like The entire thing was planned to benefit tengu society
Some bits translated from Nikenme Radio, courtesy of 4/jp/: >ZUN: the cards have a rarity. Cards that are harder to use appear more often. >ZUN: I didn't want to say 'true end', but the another endings are the true ends. >Beat Mario: I laughed at Kodoku Gourmet >ZUN: Well, because of corona you have to eat alone, you're forced to be kodoku >ZUN: The scale bullets are a parody of DoDonPachi >Beat Mario: In the background of stage 5, they're clearly gacha stones >ZUN: That was my intention when making them. Well, they're really Izanagi objects though. >Beat Mario: What's up with Chimata's pose? I saw people say it was representing a dollar sign. >ZUN: It's the 'return everything to nothing' pose. It's not a dollar. >Beat Mario: Why does the last boss have so many danmaku related spell cards? Like, 'Danmaku this...' and 'Bullet that...'. >ZUN: Because she's selling danmaku. It's a market after all. >ZUN: Kitsunes are evil, aren't they. At first I thought they were cute, but they have wicked personalities. >Jyunya: Lately the kanji in the characters' names are to hard for me to read. >ZUN: I give them tricky kanji on purpose. Otherwise they'd overlap with other characters. >Jyunya: You're fond of Megumu, right? >ZUN: I am, yeah. After all, she's the Great Tengu I've been hinting at all this time. >ZUN: The extra boss is an homage to Mushihime sama. I put lots of references to stuff in extra. This time I wanted to do minecraft. >ZUN: Gouyokuibun has a dark and interesting story. Lots of characters appear in it. >Beat Mario: Does it come after 17 chronologically? >ZUN: It's on a whole different level. (I wasn't really sure how to interpret this. He says 全然別次元の話) >ZUN: Isn't going from Snake Eater into Dragon Eater really cool!? >ZUN: I don't really know what kind of theme UM has. I put lots of stuff I wanted to say regarding coronavirus into it though.
>>2831 >ZUN: It's the 'return everything to nothing' pose. It's not a dollar. Looks like >>2826 and the pic were right on the money.
>>2831 >I put lots of stuff I wanted to say regarding coronavirus into it though. What did he mean by this?
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>Beat Mario: In the background of stage 5, they're clearly gacha stones >ZUN: That was my intention when making them. Well, they're really Izanagi objects though. Receive 500 Dragon Gems as Login Bonus for a chance to roll *5 Ability Card up to 30%! This event and banner last until June 30th. Don't miss it! -UM staff, Megumu Iizunamaru
>>2830 But that was just bait to metajew her into jewing everyone else devised by none other than, no?
>>2834 way ahead of you
>>2835 The fox cunt better hope that all those she tricked don't wise up. >>2837 >All that shit on that screen Disgusting. I hope this shit dies faster than the cannonball gachashit one.
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>>2835 >>2838 I still don't remember where it is stated that Tsukasa started everything and Megumu was roped in her scheme as well as if she is this big evil mastermind that want to see the world burn. The line "everyone consulted her for advice" likely only refer when the co-op has started and she's tasked with relaying messages, but the entire thing still could be Megumu's idea and she is the one who found Chimata and has connection with Momoyo, which fits with tengu's resourcefulness in information. And then there's the line "everyone who listen to her will soon lead to ruin" that everyone took too literally even though right in the next line it's stated her evil nature -only- leads to Chimata and Momoyo getting roped into a fight with the protags. Megumu on the other hand are the one who get the benefits: she got the profits and took Chimata down before she grow strong. In all her dialogues, there is no indication that she is trying to put Megumu under and everyone recognize her as Megumu's pet even as she is manipulating everyone. She even directly stated all by herself that all she does is for Megumu's interest in Marisa's alt ending. All in all, as manipulative as she is, she is still a familiar and if you ever consider what Megumu is based on, the daitengu is likely not just her regular master that she would and could "ruin".
>>2837 >>2838 Hey Ranfag, if you're curious about the gameplay, then it's pretty much just Azur Lane in a 2hu skin. Knock yourself out.
>>2838 What even happened to that one?
>>2839 There is no doubt that Megumu is a manipulative bitch regardless of Tsukasa (given, as you said, how she profited off the ordeal and got others to do her dirty work for her to prevent a backlash from said ordeal), but given how endeavors like the one portrayed in the story usually go, I wouldn't doubt that Tsukasa would at least try to betray her master at some point if she could profit off of it or if things started to look bad for their relationship (should the characters get more development or involvement in later games). The one's that say they are most loyal to a person are the ones to look out for in that line of work, and Megumu probably understands this as well (given Tsukasa's ability). Its hard to trust anyone when working in business and marketing (if there's any real trust at all). >>2842 It died within a year after release. Never saw a release overseas. What is worrying about this one is that it did get an overseas release, which I hope is drowned out by other gachashit and dies as well.
>>2843 Can't be much worse than the average danbooredditor. Just wait till /u/ntermensch declare Chima the new translesbian icon of 2ho.
>>2843 Taking what Megumu is based on, she might can literally control Tsukasa and her kin, and they are related on deeper level than just partnertship/contract. >>2756 It's more like Hecatia with Clownpiece and the hell fairies.
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>>2756 I once read a nice youkai-gf ecchi-action-sol manga but then the protag suddenly turned into a fucking Daijobu Daigongen. And then I caught up to translation, so now I don't understand fucking anything with 3 month breaks between chapters. Literally the only thing I remember from the last tenth of the manga is fox ghey, birb old.
>>2818 Chimacoin: the gacha currency, when?
>>2843 >What is worrying about this one is that it did get an overseas release, which I hope is drowned out by other gachashit and dies as well. Seems like it's going that way as well, since the reception has been lukewarm and all the praises are upon the non-gameplay related shit it has such as the music.
>>2833 Obviously Chimata represents people relinquishing the ownership of their Rights and Freedoms in the fear of corona (notice how both start with c and end with a) with tengu and kitsune representing government and jews accordingly (Youkai mountain is the closest thing Touhou has to an organized government and crow tengu stand at the top of it's hierarchy; meanwhile kuda-gitsune are supposedly loyal spirits that serve to bring their owner wealth, but in actuality are greedy and gluttonous and have no qualms about betraying their owner once they fail to meet their escalating demands). Once you think about it like that, Megumu and Tsukasa's ambiguous relationship where it's not apparent whose idea it was to scam everyone in the first place and whether or not Megumu was manipulated by Tsukasa's ability to find weakness in people's hearts (which was also chosen not coincidentally). Did the government really conspire with the jews? Or was it unwittingly manipulated like the rest of us? Or perhaps they knew it all along that they were being duped but couldn't resist the promise of power?
>>2858 >Megumu and Tsukasa's ambiguous relationship [...] Makes a lot of sense.
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>>2858 I don't think ZUN ever think about American government and whatever happens there. Though I'm certain now that the tengus are the jews of Gensokyo.
>>2860 >Implying ZUN doesn't see jews controlling their country through burgerland.
>>2860 Does AFiEU not exist to you?
>>2866 You mean the Trump phrase that became a global meme?
>>2869 I meant the part where Hecatia talks about walls
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Just noticed that there seems to be a lowkey little meme going on but I can't figure the basis behind it.
>>2909 My best guess is that Hatate doesn't know her superiors because >>1178 and >>1179
>>2911 >>2909 I wonder what fetish will Megumu be associated with in H-doujins?
>>2934 all I've seen is yuri and lactation so far but it's too soon to tell
>>2935 >Yuri That's the default option >Lactation What? You sure that's not Urumi's shtick?
>>2954 >default option Wrong.
>>2956 Gay faggot.
>>2958 You may cope all you want, but dick in pussy is not gay, while /u/rine is.
>>2959 Both are shit one is cuckoldry one is gay.
>>2965 How can cuckoldry and gay be real if the dicks aren't real ?
>>2965 That means... Vanilla porn was cuckoldry all along?
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Tsukasa dolly
>>2973 every day i grow closer to taking the doll pill
>>2969 Yuri is cuckoldry. And futanari is destruction of the femine like the feminists and (((them))) want.
>>2973 Howly shit, finally something other than the fucking fumos.
>>2975 Did a random /monster/ stroll in? Yuri is boring and ghei, but I guess I'll drop off some random futa if it gives you such a rageboner.
>>2979 >everyone who doesn't like futa is /monster/
>>2979 nigga u gay
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Posting this guy's art
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The villain gang (broke up)
>>2979 You are gay.
>>2981 >>2986 I'd be gay for hus any day no problem.
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LEWD
>>2973 Very cute
>>2844 I mean, returning to nothing is kinda their thing.
>>2818 Scamming is making people willingly relinquish ownership of their shit.
>>2994 sfw games barely sell there, not enough manchildren


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