>>8672 Eyy What's that game? Look like chess. Looks cute. >Also It remembered me the Golden Dawn Egyptian Chess... ehhh.. The Enochian Chess, yeah.

>>8674 I mean, only insomuch as it's an occult board game. I'm wondering if Star Game is also in reference to any gamified system of meditative work. Similar to tarot cards, while being a game, they transformed into a divination practice, along with Ouija Boards, the game of Ur, and in the reverse we have things like dice, which is the offspring of osteomantic bone throwing divination.

>>8672 It's for understanding the principles of the stars and planets by moving the pieces around according to their behaviour. It'll create an insight if you play around with it enough. This includes creating your own game by the instructions in the book posted here >>1104 if I recall correctly.

>>8677 I understand it functionally, but I don't understand where the acausal portion comes in. I've read Naos, but it's doesn't explain this. It states that the aeonic force of the acausal in this era is ritual, and in the next era it will be the star game, but I don't understand how that change manifests in the acausal.

>>8672 Dear newfag: Please provide more information in the OP next time you make a thread and use a flag

>>8679 >I don't understand how that change manifests in the acausal As a symbol or the actual acausal? That's the insight you're supposed to get from the game, I think, if the latter. The purpose of moving from the ritual to the game, would be that the various rites are transformed into an inner visualization process, where the work can be performed in meditation while seeing all energies internally rather than performing them externally. The creation of the game seeks to achieve a model for this, which however can be adapted according to your own understanding once you grasp the forces it means to represent. As a niner I'm not following this exactly, which is by design, and I've still been guided to insight. I think you first need to choose which path you're following here, are you taking inspiration from ONA; or are you going the hard way and meaning to perform each rite by the book? In that case, you should also get in contact with others who do, as it requires mentorship.

>>8681 >As a niner By this I mean that I'm guided "directly" by Shugara's daughters, but I'm not very involved with what others do irl.

>>8680 >Calls me a newfag but doesn't know about noctulian philosophy. Okay, newfag. >>8681 And yet Naos says, "This ‘thinking’ (about the symbols) however is not the rational, causal, logical type associated with 'science'. It is rather the intuitive or *wholistic' type" So according to Naos, the symbols are secondary to the intuition the star game is supposed to imbue in an initiate. The symbols are nothing more than a vehicle for acausal intuition. That's the focal point here. >As a niner I'm not following this exactly, which is by design, and I've still been guided to insight. Well yeah, that's the point. As Naos states, "All genuine Black Magick is an act of defiance against the restrictions imposed by the mediocre and the cowards, and in this sense (as well as others) the Star Game is an act of supreme Black Magick." So that is the point. But I'm not asking about that, as it's evident in the nature of the Star Game. I'm asking about the higher-order workings. As I said, "is it supposed to influence causal change, or is it just aeonic magick?" >>8682 Shugara is the matron of all the pure black propagandists set against the magian dialectic. I could have guessed from your previous post.

>>8679 most of the material I've read have spelling mistakes, and "acausal" isn't explained well. do i have the wrong books? they are public. also, how tf is it acausal, you cause it/interact with it.

>>8784 >most of the material I've read have spelling mistakes You've fallen for the black propaganda designed to gatekeep retards like yourself. Judge the work on the merit of what it is, and not the package it comes in. >and "acausal" isn't explained well Literally page 6 in Naos explains what the acausal is. >also, how tf is it acausal, you cause it/interact with it. You've got it the other way around. The acausal is the bornless. It is the void from which every logos emanates from. Influencing the acausal is the nature of the acausal. It's the causal that cannot be influenced. The causal is simply what is it has already been created and given form and essence. The logos within the causal cannot be made manifest like it can in the acausal, which is why the logos within the causal is attributed into many forms of which it is not. Just as I can see you and know who you are, in the acausal, you can "see" the logos and know what it is. Nobody can deceive you about it, just as nobody can deceive you in the causal world about forms. You can't tell me a black person has pale skin, because they don't. That's a tautology.

>>8785 >designed to gatekeep retards like yourself why would you tell me this?

>>8782 <2. No making threads just to ask questions, actually present substantial information if you're going to make a thread I was politely reminding you of the rules here and now you're acting like even more of a belligerent cuckchanner. This isn't 4cuck and this isn't /x/.

The 'Star Game' is an awful method to determine spiritual accomplishment. Every single certified star game adept I've ever met has been WEAK. Neophytic knowledge of the hereafter to boot. Although, all O9A practicioners are neophytes. Strength for strength sake is weakness.

>>8784 The "legit" material consists of PDFs of scanned photocopies printed sometime in the 80s or 90s. It looks mediocre at first glance for this reason. I don't know where to get the exact set, but I may have a contact where I can get them. Will try to look and post them here if so.

Posted the books here >>8810 >>8811

>>8791 Because the information isn't exactly hidden, you just can't perceive it. >>8792 If you can't understand what a Socratic question is, you don't belong here, newfag.

>>8814 that's self-sabotage.

>>8816 It's not. It's keeping out retards.

>>8817 by telling them that they have to ignore the spelling mistakes...

>>8814 >socratic question what does that have to do with following the rules, newfaggot? your gate keeping seems flawed. instead of keeping out npcs, it seems to attract 110 iq dorks that don't care about cringe spelling mistakes and naming conventions such as "nockthulian philosophi" and instead spill all their pearls online for internet clout.

>>8819 >flagless poster complaining about not following rules >cringe spelling mistakes So why don't you learn to properly capitalize the beginning of your sentences, and put on a flag?

>>8822 because im only pretending to be retarded, duh. to be fair you need a high enough iq to understand my posts. its all about the content, not the package, noob.

>>8824 > its all about the content, not the package So the same thing you complained about with ONA documents? Ok.

>>8825 the difference being that im not writing down the okkkvlt s3kr3ts ov the xXNocktvlien PhylozofeeXx. also telling someone its only meant to look retarded to gatekeep defeats the purpose of gatekeeping. now i, a superficial retard, know that i have to ignore the spelling mistakes.

>>8826 If you rhink thats the only thing gatekeeping you, you're an even bigger retard than previously assumed.

>>8827 thats the thing we were discussing, nigger.

>uhh, uhhh, t-the reason i told u about it was because its actually, uh, not important at all and, uhh, like, theres other things... you wouldnt get it, b-baka no, please, tell me more of your based secrets that i cant comprehend anyway.

>According to tradition, the Dark Gods are actual entities which exist in the acausal universe. According to our spatial, causal perception, these beings may be regarded as ‘timeless and chaotic’. so its warhammer 40,000. sooo amazing and deep.

Butthurt glowflags can't infiltrate ONA because it's not an organization.

>>8834 glowNIGGERS can just subvert it, you actual subhuman. do you know what memetics is?

>>8836 >just So why aren't they doing that then?

>>8837 they are.

ONA are just normal people with normal jobs, like walmart, police, military, they don't stand out. Some of them are probably CIA too.

>>8840 i can guarantee that no "ONA" is CIA, but a few CIA are "ONA". fucking scientology was better at infiltration

>>8843 How can you guarantee that? You have people fill in a form with "are you a member of an occult organization? Y/N" and you think you then got anyone who was practicing by ONA? It's not an organization so how would you know?

>>8844 "you can only tell if you see their name in an organisation roll" is such a low iq teenager level take holy shit. did you ever consider that "ONA" is superficial framework for grooming sleepers? it appeals to lazy social outcasts, like charles manson. plus you all smell like actual shit.

>>8845 Is this from your manual?

>>8844 plus trying desperately to rep yo set by playing them up as totally badass infiltrators is hardly subtle. you shouldnt even be talking about it, dumbass. >>8846 it came free with my fucking brain.

>>8845 It's obvious you're having trouble with non-organizations, that's why you have to invent things like the islamic state or hamas so you can point to an actual organized enemy. You can't fight ideas.

>>8848 >you cant fight ideas you mean like modern politics? why havent any epic atom weaponz infiltrated and launched some? "you cant fight ideas" stfu stupid nigger"

>>8847 What? No one cares about some "infiltration". If someone converts to Islam, they are suddenly an "infiltrator" and has to be fired from his job? Is this your reasoning?

>>8849 Atomwaffen? They're a CIA construct, are you dumb for real?

Why are you so set on derailing this thread, instead of discussing the inner alchemy process of the star game?

We could talk about how ONA uses a reverse order for the materials, where it has salt, mercury, sulphur, in that order, where traditional alchemy starts with sulphur and ends with salt. What is the significance of this?

>>8850 again, scientology. >islam >has to be fired from their job i would. >>8851 >cia construct like ONA. or MI6. >>8852 i was till you faggots started playing ball. go on, discuss it so that i can pick this dumb shit apart.

>>8850 you went from "you will never know" to "ok so its islam instead and you do actually know". so an intelligence agency will not be looking into who they allow in?

>>8854 Interesting mindflip. So that's actually what it is about. You know full well CIA didn't create MI6, it's the other way around. But you like to believe the USA controls things, by this double layered form where your European masters give you directions for how to suppress their problems at home, making it looks like it's the USA doing it.

>>8855 Someone can become religious. If they do, will you consider them to have become an infiltrator? That's my question? Maybe they were perfectly grey and boring when you hired them.

>>8856 i meant ONA is an MI6 construct, since they are from the same place. its ok, i can play it off as gatekeeping, "i was only pretending to be retarded". who do you think made ONA btw, CIA or MI6?

>>8857 it depends on what their religion is, doesn't it? for example, what do you think will happen to a newly converted scientologist?

>>8858 But by MI6, you mean MI5, which means the Order of Saint Micheal and Saint George, right?

>>8861 lol stfu fallenshadow

>>8860 What's your obsession with this cult? Do they "convert" someone? What will happen? They will move into a scientology facility and you won't have access to them.

ONA wasn't created by some modern intelligence agency.

>>8863 scientology had a policy of putting the cult first and infiltrating positions of power. im pretty sure there was a whole legal thing where they were banned from certain positions. >>8864 most relevant intelligence agencies pre date the ONA

>>8865 >most relevant intelligence agencies pre date the ONA Now that would be an interesting discussion. When would you consider the origins of MI6 to have formed, for example?

>>8865 >scientology had a policy of putting the cult first and infiltrating positions of power So you're actually just talking about "trotskyism".

>>8867 never mentioned whatever that is. ideologies with an agenda that calls for covert infiltration are going to be filtered. >>8866 interesting for you? i bet.

>>8868 Trotskyist was a label placed on people not loyal to the soviet state, it's still used that way, for someone "abusing" the democratic function to change the direction of organizations. You should know this. And do tell me more about the ancient origins of the MI6.

>>8869 i dont like politics, so i dont follow whatever soviet is. why the focus on MI6? why not tell me of your highly esteemed Order Ov Nine Angels?

The funny thing about "trotskyists" is that they expose how democracy isn't actually meant to be used. You're only allowed to vote if you have the right ideology, if you disagree, you're called "un-democratic" despite just applying democracy. >>8870 You claimed MI6 created ONA, so I assume you can back this up.

>>8870 >why not tell me of your highly esteemed Order Ov Nine Angels? You seem to have some fundamental spelling mistakes there. It's not spelled with a V like your blood cult, and it's angles, not angels. The books have been posted in the library thread, there is nothing more to say.

>>8871 no, i claimed the CIA did, and offered MI6 as an alternative example. tell me, when was MI6 formed? >>8872 do these books also have spelling mistakes?

>>8873 >when was MI6 formed? Go on, tell me.

>>8874 no, please, tell me, oh Nockthvlian Filozofer...

thread summary/tldr: ONA is fake and gay, you can just as easily use literally any other tradition that came before it. ONA was inspired by hp lovecraft and white dwarf magazines, and then made an ebing cool as backstory to cover that.

>>8876 Aint no way bro is seething this hard after being outed as a retard

>>8875 >>8876 Tell us about your employer, Mr Normal Citizen.

>>8878 >>8877 >>8876 schizophrenic retards ngmi

>>8672 >I know it has something to do with alchemy just learn alchemy, trust me.

>>8879 How is that single testicle of yours, eunuch?

>>8824 You're learning. Congratulations. >>8826 But you just did. >>8829 I would, but you wouldn't comprehend them. The noctulian philosophy is a bit out of reach for a niggerbrained individual.

>>8867 Hey, just like Noctulians.

Thought the jannies were based here but they prove why people were still using 4cuck for all this time. Not the message we want to be sending tbh.

>>8836 Unless they rewrite Naos and Hostia, they're not subverting shit. On another note, let's take a look at how the jannies are attacking noctulian philosophy: https://8chan.moe/fringe/res/6314.html Violation of rule 2, yet no action was taken. https://8chan.moe/fringe/res/2842.html Violation of rule 2. https://8chan.moe/fringe/res/53.html Violation of rule 2. And this is just scratching the surface. The jannies seem to be playing favorites.

>>8912 It depends on what context the thread was made in also; some threads are continuations of a discussion from a different thread, where it was moved into a separate thread to avoid derailment on someone's personal issue. Other threads may have a short OP because they are a follow up on a previously known thread type, or serve a direct purpose in containing a discussion. You can usually tell this by seeing if the thread lead to a decent discussion or if it was just causing shitposting or was a bait-thread. Also: you can crosslink to threads by just pasting the post number of the OP like this: >>2842 Then you make it easier for readers to hover over the link and see what post you're referring to without having to open it.

>>8919 Keep crying. You have jannydick in your mouth. I don't.

>>8923 The infinitychan model means anyone can create their own boards. Small boards like this usually don't have janitors, the BO does all the work. It's a service to the community, and the rules are there to give newfags an idea of the standards they are expected to adhere to. Complaining about moderation which is mostly the result of requests by the community will just out yourself as not belonging to the community.

>>8912 you dont need to rewrite something to interpret it differently.

>>8900 >you wouldn't comprehend them. hence why its ok to tell me, just like its ok to have your literature public like a pathetic attention seeking onlyfans model.

>>8923 You should go make a social media account or something, you'd be more comfortable. that's if you haven't already.

>>8896 projecting tranny got fiddled with by Nockthvlien parasites and this is his repressed anger leaking out. SAD.

>>8911 >thought the authorities here were on my side but they prove why cucks were posting on 4cuck all the time. not the message (((we))) want to be sending tbh.

>>8930 We were having decent conversation until the jannies derailed it.

>>8933 really? please point to the first post that started this, maybe we can measure the value of the prior "conversation"

>>8911 >>8912 The irony is that you are the one being shown "favoritism" out of respect for the ongoing conversation in this thread. Note that your thread isn't locked or bumplocked, and you were only warned, not banned. >>8912 You're bringing up 2 of those in bad faith. The homosexuality one was left up because OP needed help, nobody reported it, and there were so few threads being made back then that it didn't matter. Explaining this for newfags. OP obviously just wants to argue for its own sake.

>>8912 Of course the jannies play favorites. And you're not a favorite. So fuck off.

What a clusterfuck of a thread, should have ended here >>8677

>>8926 You clearly haven't been here for long. I was here 1st exodus. That's how I know you're lying. >>8928 That's your problem. Those who are familiar with noctulian philosophy wouldn't misinterpret. >>8934 Reasoning with you is a lost cause. You've already made up your mind. >>8937 >The irony is that you are the one being shown "favoritism" out of respect for the ongoing conversation in this thread. No, I was warned because the jannies know they couldn't justify a ban, otherwise the board would catch onto their scam. >>8937 I provided evidence. You have nothing but conjecture, unless you are the one issuing the warning, in which case, fuck off. We're trying to have conversation here. >>8954 I can't imagine having jannydick in the back of my throat like you do. >>8965 Blame the moderation of this board. Same trash moderation it's had for the past 3 years.

>>8984 This board hasn't even existed for 3 years lol