Zero000 takes Crock81 to ANI with a pageful of charges. Crock81 calmly and briefly addresses the accusations point by point with very small paragraphs, so ANI responds: > I don't think anyone wants to trundle through that wall of text. Consider consolidating your salient points.–WaltCip (talk) 12:42, 13 October 2016 (UTC) > How the hell is anyone expected to plough through this and come to a conclusion beyond, "this is one of the most disruptive walls of text I have ever seen on ANI"? … Blackmane (talk) 21:29, 13 October 2016 (UTC) and Dennis Brown hatted the responses so no one could continue discussing any of them, with the text: "Very long." https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Administrators%27_noticeboard/Incidents#Editor_Crock81 That is all lack of competence (CIR) and expressions of refusal to work collaboratively by these three. The crux of the matter (pun intended) is that one of the sources Crock81 had cited was a (gasp) JEWISH document! It happens to be the document that defines the subject, but this is Wikipedia so lol fucking jews, BANNED. I almost didn't mention this one because Crock81's behavior was some distance from perfect but the responses at ANI were even worse. So Wikipedia is now without another veteran editor who has a talent for digging up sources.

>>328425 No kidding, the blocking admin EdJohnston called him a kike! > Apparently it is of great importance to you whether one or both of the contending parties in the Middle East should be considered to be indigenous peoples. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Crock81 Yes when one of these is an indigenous party with 3000 years of recorded history there and the other is a terrorist organization founded within living memory to exterminate the first, someone might have an interest in not having his entire people murdered. This is a bad thing on Wikipedia.

Bump.

>>328503 >Thursday, October 23 Can't they even do dates right, or will they be revising the calendar too?

>>328504 > Can't they even do dates right, or will they be revising the calendar too? It's from 2014. YYJ airport code + Clearihue building = University of Victoria, British Columbia, Canada in case anyone was wondering where this was from.

Drmies wants to ban anyone who mentions that the Clinton campaign started riots, calling it "partisan nonsense" even though two people have resigned because they were caught doing it. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Administrators%27_noticeboard#2016_Donald_Trump_Chicago_rally_protest

They still won't allow Literally Who?'s Wikipedia page to state that her birthname is Chelsea Van Valkenburg. http://archive.is/68s6h

The Southern Poverty Law Center exposed itself as an obvious front for Islamist extremists by describing Quilliam Foundation founder Maajid Nawaz as an "anti-Muslim extremist" because he tweeted a Jesus and Mo cartoon. https://www.gatestoneinstitute.org/9210/splc-racists The FBI stopped working with SPLC in 2014. http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2014/mar/28/editorial-the-fbi-dumps-a-hate-group/ What's the Wikipedia connection? SPLC is still considered reliable on Wikipedia. For anyone doing research, here are some results from a drama board search for SPLC. https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Special:Search&limit=500&offset=0&profile=default&search=%22SPLC%22+prefix%3AWikipedia%3AAdministrators%27+noticeboard February 7, 2011 argument between Kim van der Linde and ObjectivelyWise over SPLC's designation of Family Research Council as a hate group. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Administrators%27_noticeboard/IncidentArchive671#POV_pushing_by_single_purpose_account_User:ObjectivelyWise_at_Family_Research_Council. August 2012 IRWolfie asks if SPLC is reliable for a specific edit. > Egad, are we here again? The SPLC does a ton of fact checking and is widely quoted as a factual source. The linked addition to the American Vision page was perfectly legitimate. Binksternet (talk) 23:27, 27 August 2012 (UTC) https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Reliable_sources/Noticeboard/Archive_130#Southern_Poverty_Law_Center August-September 2012 An RFC finds that the SPLC's designation of a small organization as a hate group should be in the lead. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Illinois_Family_Institute#RfC_Should_SPLC_.22hate_group.22_designation_be_in_the_lead.3F September 2012 Arthur Rubin accuses MrX of SYNTHing accusations that groups engaged in hate speech because SPLC listed them as hate groups without saying what they said. Binksternet defends the synth. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Administrators%27_noticeboard/3RRArchive197#User:Arthur_Rubin_reported_by_User:MrX_.28Result:_No_violation.2C_wrong_forum.29 September 2012 RfC: Which descriptor, if any, can be added in front of Southern Poverty Law Center when referenced in other articles? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Southern_Poverty_Law_Center/Archive_11#RfC:_Which_descriptor.2C_if_any.2C_can_be_added_in_front_of_Southern_Poverty_Law_Center_when_referenced_in_other_articles.3F June 11, 2013 CSDarrow reported by Binksternet for adding text from SPLC describing the Mens Right's movement as "mail-order-bride shoppers, unregenerate batterers" to show how bad a source they are. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Administrators%27_noticeboard/3RRArchive216#User:CSDarrow_reported_by_User:Binksternet_.28Result:_1_month.29 https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Administrators%27_noticeboard/IncidentArchive800#I_feel_I_am_possibly_being_bullied_by_4_admins_over_SPLC_material_in_the_Men.27s_Movement_page. May 3, 2014 Dougweller reports TheFallenCrowd for removing information about Arthur Kemp that was cited to SPLC. TheFallenCrowd said the information was disputed by a contrary report in The Independent, and claims "Dougweller's objections are clearly politically motivated because they embarrass the SPLC." https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Administrators%27_noticeboard/IncidentArchive839#User_TheFallenCrowd_at_Arthur_Kemp TheFallenCrowd responds in August accusing Dougweller "Lies, Bias and Abuse of Position". Ian Thomson called TheFallenCrowd a white supremacist and multiple editors accused TheFallenCrowd of sockpuppetry. BBB23 cleared TheFallenCrowd of the socking charge after he was blocked for 3 months. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Administrators%27_noticeboard/IncidentArchive852#Lies.2C_Bias_and_Abuse_of_Position:_User_DougWeller

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May 10, 2014 User:66.225.161.37 reported by User:NorthBySouthBaranof (Result: 7 days) > Claims that the SPLC is a fringe source are of course nonsense. Black Kite (talk) 23:19, 10 May 2014 (UTC) https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Administrators%27_noticeboard/3RRArchive244#User:66.225.161.37_reported_by_User:NorthBySouthBaranof_.28Result:_7_days.29

SPLC drama search, continued August 9, 2014 > User:Binksternet and User:Roscelese are tag-teaming me, as retaliation for an edit I made at SPLC that they hate. Doug Weller accused the reporter of sockpuppetry Acroterion accused the reporter of "race-baiting soapboxing" > Support NOTHERE block for the IP. BMK (talk) 01:54, 10 August 2015 (UTC) > Recommend this request be closed and the IP be blocked. TFD (talk) 08:09, 11 August 2015 (UTC) https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Administrators%27_noticeboard/IncidentArchive895#Harrassment.2C_Race-Baiting_Personal_Attacks.2C_Edit-Warring_and_NPOV_Violations April 15, 2014 LordFixIt reported Aprock over an argument about a category for organizations designated as hate groups by the SPLC https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Administrators%27_noticeboard/IncidentArchive836#Accusation_of_bad_faith May 5, 2015 MrX reported an IP to 3RR for removing SPLC-cited material from Pamela Geller BLP. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Administrators%27_noticeboard/3RRArchive280#User:2602:306:3644:13A0:FCCE:7B75:495D:D057_reported_by_User:MrX_.28Result:_Semi.29 June 7, 2015 NeilN reported an IP for describing the SPLC as "a far left organization that does not track Muslim terror groups", adds comment "First edit shows what IP is here for." https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Administrators%27_noticeboard/3RRArchive284#User:98.246.208.42_reported_by_User:NeilN_.28Result:_Blocked.29 May 30, 2016 RandomScholar30 asks whether Wikipedia should quote Debbie Schlussel in her own words rather than quote SPLC. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Reliable_sources/Noticeboard/Archive_208#Southern_Poverty_Law_Center_on_Debbie_Schlussel.27s_Anti-Muslim_stance June 28, 2016 SPLC calls Clarion Project a hate group. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Administrators%27_noticeboard/IncidentArchive927#The_Clarion_Project September 5, 2016 WilliamNOtis claimed SPLC is not a reliable source. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Pamela_Geller#References_to_Southern_Poverty_Law_Center JzG indefinitely blocked WilliamNOtis and said "The SPLC is a highly regarded source for exactly that kind of judgment" https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:WilliamNOtis#September_2016_2

>>328573 >Southern Poverty Law Center Try pedowood. Yes, really.

>>328586 > >Southern Poverty Law Center > Try pedowood. Yes, really. [citation needed]

from KiA: a minor civil war between PeterTheFourth and MjolnirPants over the CON leaks http://archive.is/5KBSa

Darkfrog24 sent an appeal to WP:ARC. Opabinia regalis explains Wikipedia's new Competence Is Forbidden policy: > the fact of the matter is that you have demonstrated in abundance your ability to argue minutia to exhaustion, and the pattern of arguing minutia to exhaustion is itself disruptive. WiA thread: https://np.red*dit.com/r/WikiInAction/comments/5c9tbv/editor_asks_arbcom_to_confirm_whether_are_you/

Every anti-Gamergate Wikipedia editor I have checked up on has been crying over the Trump election. Some people have been saying Gamergate probably helped get Trump elected to some degree, so good job folks, you sure showed those gobbergloppers. This includes Robert "Gamaliel" Fernandez, who you'll remember made an ass of himself in April this year after running anti-Trump 'pranks' for April 1st in the Signpost.

>>328730 More salt. Really makes you wonder what the world would be like if Chelsea Van Valkenburg/Zoe Quinn hadn't decided to fuck Five Guys while supposedly in love with Eron, or if Nathan Grayson had taken the 30 seconds to add a disclosure to his articles.

>>328730 >>328731 Some of them should be topic banned from American politics because they are clearly incapable of editing from a neutral perspective. Gamaliel in particular misrepresents what Trump said, and misrepresenting sources is supposed to be a big no-no on Wikipedia.

Volunteer Marek brought bloodofox to AE for battleground behavior such as calling him a shill. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Arbitration/Requests/Enforcement#bloodofox Tiptoethrutheminefield noted that Volunteer Marek, as Radeksz, was caught shilling before so he may not be as horribly offended by that accusation as he claims to be. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Arbitration/Requests/Case/Eastern_European_mailing_list#Radeksz Volunteer Marek has also been caught tag-teaming with WeijiBaikeBianji, TheRedPenOfDoom, and ArtifexMayhem. No action was taken on that except the filer was blocked and Mark Bernstein made a vague threat to open a trap "that in the worst case might prove large enough to encompass the entire project." https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Arbitration/Requests/Enforcement/Archive178#WeijiBaikeBianji Drmies blocked Tiptoe for 3 days for bringing up Volunteer Marek's past behavior. jpgordon rejected Tiptoe's appeal, without reading it, on the non-grounds that Tiptoe has previously been blocked for other things. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Tiptoethrutheminefield#November_2016

>>328803 Bloodofox was topic banned for a year by EdJohnson. James J. Lambden posted a table showing that all recent AE complaints against pro-Clinton editors had been dropped, while most AE complaints against their political opponents had led to sanction. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:AE#bloodofox Bloodofox removed the topic ban notification as "Pointless grandstanding, Wikipedia at its worst" https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Bloodofox&diff=750684760&oldid=750673279

Robert Walker wrote an excellent essay about the insanity of Wikipedia, using what happened to Clarawood and Sagerad as examples. https://www.quora.com/What-are-the-most-frustrating-aspects-of-being-a-Wikipedia-editor/answer/Robert-Walker-5

Wikipedia has a pair of new web pages about "Fake News", a new slogan that is used as a partisan effort by Democrats to smear Republicans news sources by associating them with quack websites while saying nothing about the fake news on TV and published in the New York Times. Republicans have done themselves no help by spreading fake news through social media, but that is besides the point. Fake News Website created by JFHutson 15 November 2016. Additional work by IP 69.50.70.9 (Antigua, probably a VPN user), Victorgrigas, Sagecandor. https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Fake_news_website&offset=&limit=5000&action=history List of Fake News Websites created by JFHutson 18 November 2016. List added by Kaldari. Additional work by Victorgrigas. https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=List_of_fake_news_websites&offset=&limit=500&action=history https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=List_of_fake_news_websites&diff=750288771&oldid=750211408 It somehow survived AFD. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Articles_for_deletion/List_of_fake_news_websites The list is that much criticized list one person made that had "sites I don't like" mixed in with actual fake news sites. They are now listed as fake news in Wikipedia's voice. Are there any potentially biased people named J. Hutson? Jonathan Hutson is a strategic communications consultant with 20 years of experience managing communications for high-profile organizations and causes. He is expert in reframing narratives to advance policy advocacy campaigns and grow targeted lists of supporters through earned media, digital strategy, and multi-media story telling. https://www.linkedin.com/in/jonathanhutson https://archive.is/MupYN Meet the Activist Who Smelled Something Fishy With the FBI's Anti-Clinton Records Dump, and Got Internal Watchdogs Investigating http://www.alternet.org/election-2016/meet-activist-who-smelled-something-fishy-fbis-anti-clinton-records-dump-and-got https://archive.is/zoowg This Jonathan Hutson (not confirmed to be the other guy) has written for Political Research Associates. http://www.politicalresearch.org/author/j-hutson/ https://archive.is/9xhTZ Political Research Associates is Chip Berlet's group. Wikipedia, led by SlimVirgin and Phil Sandifer, was defending Berlet as a reliable source and banning his political opponents a decade ago. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Chip_Berlet/Archive_2 http://www.discoverthenetworks.org/individualProfile.asp?indid=1243 https://archive.is/3Pdhs http://www.discoverthenetworks.org/groupProfile.asp?grpid=6505 https://archive.is/U2J4O https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Requests_for_arbitration/Nobs01_and_others For evidence against this identity, Wikipedia's JFHutson wrote about Calvinism. That is not the sort of thing a lefty would be into. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Calvinism#Neo-Calvinism_as_definition_of_Calvinism.3F Victor Grigas is a Storyteller for the Wikimedia Foundation. That seems to be his official job title. https://twitter.com/victorgrigas https://archive.is/8bTOW https://www.linkedin.com/in/victorgrigas https://archive.is/jXT0V Ryan Kaldari is another WMF employee. It looks like these pages are an officially sanctioned partisan hit list.

>>328944 While I'm not denying that this is really bad, TOW/J. Hutson does appear to be mainly hitting sites that actually make shit up for fun and/or pretend to be other news organizations. I'm going to keep an eye on this anyway, and make sure to contest any pushes they may make to discredit people.

At RationalWiki, David Gerard has permabanned Aneris (a user who Gerard has been fighting with and trying to ban for over a year) and used the Oversight tool to hide nearly everything about the incident. http://rationalwiki.org/w/index.php?limit=50&tagfilter=&title=Special%3AContributions&contribs=user&target=Aneris&namespace=&tagfilter=&year=&month=-1 What did Aneris do? He complained that Gerard was using the RationalWiki twitter account as his personal mouthpiece and seems to have cited Gerard's history of support for anti-Gamergate pedophile Nicholas "Sarah Butts" Nyberg as part of his reasonings. >21:52, 3 December 2016 David Gerard (Talk | contribs) blocked Aneris (Talk | contribs) with an expiry time of π×infinity! (account creation disabled, email disabled, cannot edit own talk page) (4/5 board vote to ban: no, you can't use RW as a platform to call people paedos. Go away.) You might recall something about Gerard and Nyberg from this time last year when he and Ryulong were shitting up the place and white knighting the pedo, ending with Gerard throwing a tantrum and blocking users and locking down the Gamergate pages Speaking of Ryulong, another one of the Horsemen of Wikibias showed up for me recently when I was checking out Pizzagate. Travis Mason-Bushman aka NorthBySouthBaranof is one of the ones edit warring over the Pizzagate redirect (which they are trying to make say that it is "debunked") http://archive.is/O13mh https://voat.co/v/pizzagate/1456333 https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Pizzagate&offset=&limit=500&action=history.

WiA: IP editor outlines Darkfrog case, blocked for "trolling" https://np.red*dit.com/r/WikiInAction/comments/5flbw0/ip_editor_outlines_darkfrog_case_blocked_for/ https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia:Arbitration/Requests/Clarification_and_Amendment&diff=752154930&oldid=752146376 NVLibrarian: > So it turns out Bishonen was the one who performed the block, even though Bishie is mentioned by name in one of the supposedly sub-respectable edits. Conflict of interest? https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia:Arbitration/Requests/Enforcement&diff=prev&oldid=751976624

Here's a claim that the page for the BNP is controlled by its political opponents http://wikipediocracy.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=8&t=8122

Editors on the Haredi Judaism article have been reworking the images. Debresser removed a few images which he thought were not illustrative. Nomoskedasticity called Debresser a misogynist because these happened to be images of women. Debresser took Nomo to ANI for the insult and edit warring. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Haredi_Judaism#Image https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Administrators'_noticeboard/Incidents#Editor_fighting_the_war_of_women Responses: > Nomoskedasticity certainly appears to have a valid point… ‑ Iridescent 18:45, 7 December 2016 (UTC) > I have to say that it is not unreasonable to request more images of women in the article… John Carter (talk) 19:04, 7 December 2016 (UTC) > …as for this filing, the OP deserves at minimum a trout. Jytdog (talk) 19:11, 7 December 2016 (UTC) Mr rnddude complains that everyone is ignoring the reported issue. > I'm not gonna lie, I'm a bit disappointed with the above, quite sad that an offensive label being handed down is no issue just carry on, but, the fact that an article doesn't currently have equal representation is an issue that supercedes civility and/or NPA. That said, frankly, this is a whole crock of shite and somebody should close away. Mr rnddude (talk) 19:20, 7 December 2016 (UTC) Mr rnddude gave Nomo a warning. Nomo's response repeats the personal attack. > "Misogyny" refers to the contributions of the editor, not the editor himself. So we're good. Nomoskedasticity (talk) 20:27, 7 December 2016 (UTC) Nomoskedasticity carries on with ABF at ANI: > And yet you only want to delete pictures of women. How interesting. Nomoskedasticity (talk) 21:04, 7 December 2016 (UTC) > I think it's worth providing some background information here. Most Haredi Jews don't want to encounter portrayals of women in public… it's not hard to imagine that if certain editors were themselves Haredi they might object on religious grounds to an article on Haredi Jews that included photographs of women. It's possible that they know better than to express their objections in these terms… Nomoskedasticity (talk) 21:11, 7 December 2016 (UTC) EEng closes: > My first-ever close! This is a content dispute if I ever saw one. EEng 02:06, 8 December 2016 (UTC) Personal attacks? What personal attacks?

There is a squabble at the Breitbart News page. MrX wants to change the descriptor from "conservative" to "far-right" citing anti-Trump media complaining when Trump appointed Breitbart editor Steve Bannon to his transition team. MrX collected a list of 33 sources to support him. Dissenters noted that these sources were mostly opinion pieces written in the past week, but they were outvoted and sneered at for being IPs or low-volume users. MrX's supporters included Raquel Baranow, Tataral, Neutrality, Grayfell, Anthonyhcole, Nomoskedasticity, Volunteer Marek, Sagecandor, Daaxix, Beyond My Ken, BU_Rob13, Casprings. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Breitbart_News#Survey:_Should_Breitbart_be_described_as_far-right_in_the_lead.3F Black Kite closed with the message "yes, it is appropriate, in certain circumstances, to refer to Breitbart as far-right. However this should never be equated (unless with absolutely reliable sourcing) with anything relating to racism or fascism." This advice was promptly ignored by MrX et al. One of the opponents was blocked as a sockpuppet of Cali11298 based on a Likely finding. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Sockpuppet_investigations/Cali11298 Cali11298 was blocked for edit warring with Binksternet, Dave Dial, and an IP to defend Jesse Helms against a claim that Helms "blocked black judges from being considered for the federal bench." Cali11298 thought the page should mention the fact that Helms voted for Clarence Thomas, but Binksternet and the IP called it "SYNTH" to say that Thomas is a black federal judge who Helms voted for. Bbb23 blocked Cali11298 for "edit warring" to add this information. Cali11298 claims to have stopped editing and accepted consensus before the block. Bbb23 declined the appeal for the block he had imposed. On a second appeal, OhNoitsJamie accused Cali11298 of violating "NOTTHEM" for saying that Bbb23 had blocked him for something he hadn't done, and agreed with Binksternet that it is "SYNTH" to say that Helms voted for Thomas. On a third appeal, Floquenbeam openly ridiculed him. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Cali11298 https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Jesse_Helms#helms.27s_votes_on_black.2C_federal_judicial_nominees. https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Jesse_Helms&offset=&limit=500&action=history Cali11298 was also blocked for a day for edit warring with Binksternet and VQuakr over whether the page on abstinence-only sex education should claim that all studies find it ineffective when there is at least one study that finds it effective. Doc James removed a reference to the study as a "primary source" and Binksternet removed a secondary source reporting on it for failing MEDRS. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Administrators%27_noticeboard/3RRArchive277#User:Cali11298_reported_by_User:VQuakr_.28Result:_24_hours.29 https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Abstinence-only_sex_education&offset=&limit=500&action=history

Wikipedia has a new unblockable. Sagecandor is a new account created on November 17 that jumped into the Fake News Website page and is exhibiting ownership behavior. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Fake_news_website#Russia_Today_fails_as_reliable_source_about_Russian_propaganda_by_Russian_government > Source Russia Today fails WP:RS as not reliable source about Russian propaganda by Russian government. Please don't use this source, especially not in this article. Thank you ! Sagecandor (talk) 14:25, 30 November 2016 (UTC) > RT is a news station. It may have flaws, but it reported something which appears to contradict claims made by a US comedy programme… N-HH talk/edits 08:16, 1 December 2016 (UTC) > You are factually incorrect. Nothing is sourced to a comedy show or to a government source. It is all sourced to secondary sources. Perhaps you may not know the difference between a WP:PRIMARY source and a WP:SECONDARY source? Sagecandor (talk) 20:39, 2 December 2016 (UTC) > Er, there's a whole subsection of claims about Russian "trolls" sourced to Full Frontal with Samantha Bee, which is a news-based comedy show… Feel free to be confused yourself, but don't accuse me of it. N-HH talk/edits 20:47, 2 December 2016 (UTC) > Nope. Not sourced to Full Frontal with Samantha Bee. Read WP:SECONDARY, please. Sagecandor (talk) 20:49, 2 December 2016 (UTC) > Yes, the original source of the claims is Full Frontal. That's the show the interviews were with and which made the claims in question. Other outlets have, in turn, simply reported/repeated that "Full Frontal did/said this". This is not hard. Or shouldn't be. And please stop telling me about the difference between primary and secondary sources, whether in WP-land or elsewhere. I know the difference, and it just makes you look patronising on top of everything else. N-HH talk/edits 20:55, 2 December 2016 (UTC) Among the editors arguing for inclusion of the RT report was Solntsa90. Sagecandor and Neutrality took Solntsa90 to AE citing Solntsa90's defense of the RT report as a violation of his topic ban from Vladimir Putin. EdJohnston blocked Solntsa90 for three months for "failing to adhere to community standards in the area of WP:ARBEE", an area under discretionary sanctions. While the AE case went on, Drmies blocked Solntsa90 for a week for questioning how the editors were misapplying RS to say things in Wikipedia's voice that can not possibly be correct. > I think the issue here is who decides that they are the arbiter of truth? Is it simply by how much media influence you have, how much money you spend on advertising or your editorial team, etc.? [[User:Solntsa90|Solntsa90]] ([[User talk:Solntsa90|talk]]) 18:04, 8 December 2016 (UTC) https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Talk:Pizzagate_(conspiracy_theory)&diff=prev&oldid=753695469#Debunked_conspiracy_theory Sorry, Solntsa90. You are too wise to edit on Wikipedia. No one is allowed to discuss the fact that the public relations industry exists.

"Wikipedia entry on Trump, Then(2006 & 2014) and now"… Or… "Lying liberals rewrite history to conform to their world view" https://voat.co/v/politics/1474409

Lavabaron attacks Sagecandor! And I had thought they might be part of the same paid editing group based on their similar behavior. Lavabaron hypocritically lectures Sagecandor about pretending to be a new user. Sagecandor had opened the thread by accusing everyone who disagreed with him of being a paid Russian propagandist, which is Lavabaron's preferred battleground tactic. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Neutral_point_of_view/Noticeboard#Concerns_about_potential_influx_of_Russian_propaganda_users Crosswords reports that Sagecandor stalked him across wikis. > He actually did harassed me in Wikimedia Commons. Just because i uploaded the Google Search Statistics for the term Fake News in a picture, he immediately went and flagged many of my other uploaded pictures for other articles as copyright violations. Pictures who dont even have anything to do with things he/shes interested in like a picture of a videogame disc or a map showing where HIV/Aids is mostly widespread in Russia.–Crossswords (talk) 19:59, 4 December 2016 (UTC)

Someguy1221 reported new user Ellaqmentry as a "sockpuppet POV pusher." Zero diffs of evidence were presented. Ellaqmentry claimed to have done nothing more than give MEDRS on the talk page. Ivanvector said there was not enough evidence to open an SPI case let alone close one. JzG and Bishonen blocked with Ellaqmentry with Arthur Rubin and MjolnirPants concurring. MjolnirPants attempted to prove that Ellaqmentry must be a sock by saying "Most of the United States had valid reason to get ready to welcome our first female president a few months ago, for example." https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Administrators'_noticeboard/Incidents#Sockpuppet_POV_pusher_at_Acupuncture Timotheus Canens topic-banned SashiRolls from AE for daring to present evidence against Sagecandor. Dennis Brown then blocked SashiRolls for six months for following Sagecandor to another page. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:AE#Tlroche https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:AE#SashiRolls

Mottseboh, David A, and The Armchair General tried to add two lines to the Southern Poverty Law Center page about the Israeli ambassador condemning the SPLC for blacklisting Maajid Nawaz. North Shoreman and The Quixotic Potato removed the text as undue, with The Four Deuces concurring on Talk and accusing the other editors of supporting Frank Gaffney. The Quixotic Potato went to ANI and accused the other editors of being an 8chan raid. https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Southern_Poverty_Law_Center&offset=&limit=500&action=history https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:NPOVN#SPLC https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Administrators'_noticeboard/Incidents#SPLC

More drama: A user called Maslowsneeds got into trouble on the Hillary Clinton page, got topic banned, and then broke the topic ban repeatedly until he was indeffed. https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Maslowsneeds&diff=754122506&oldid=754117978#November_2016 Then Sagecandor blanked Maslowsneeds's user page and JzG removed most of his talk page with the message "DFFT" - "don't feed the trolls" https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User:Maslowsneeds&diff=754098677&oldid=753236311 https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Maslowsneeds&diff=754122731&oldid=754122506 Maslowsneeds outed himself as a pro-Sanders political activist with Progress Queens, a leftist LGBT organization. https://twitter.com/maslowsneeds http://www.progressqueens.com/news/2016/12/8/has-wikipedia-become-a-shill-board-for-michael-brock https://archive.is/4uw2T

Dennis Brown retires http://wikipediasucks.boards.net/thread/422/dennis-brown-retires

Dirk Beetstra of Saudi Arabia Basic Industries Corporation (SABIC) and the King Abdullah University of Science and Technology (KAUST), who identifies himself publicly and makes no attempt to hide his identity, wrote a script to mass-remove references to Twitter. This angered several users who said that these reverences should be considered on an individual basis. The Quixotic Potato, another scripter from the Netherlands, jumped in to say that anybody who complained did not understand policy, insinuating that they should be banned for lack of competence. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Administrators'_noticeboard/Incidents#Beetstra_and_Twitter.2F_Facebook This exchange is typical: > @Only in death: How does Beestra's automated script check whether consensus exists, for a given article? Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 11:48, 23 December 2016 (UTC) > You still seem to misunderstand the guideline, please ask someone to explain it to you. (((The Quixotic Potato))) (talk) 11:58, 23 December 2016 (UTC) Only in Death also joined in on their side without the insults.

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