>>43438 >Startup cost of 6x good cloth diapers, 3x dependco velcro closure flannel diaper, 3x plastic pants; call it 9*40 + 3*30 = 450USD startup cost. If you're using 3USD/day worth of disposables, break even is under half a year. But it is also a lot of hassle if you're not used to it. Could you also give an approximation of the opportunity cost for taking care of the diapers? I'm very interested in cloth, but it currently feels like there's a massive hidden cost related to the time and effort wasted on the ... well, waste ... instead of being productive. May well be more than 450USD monthly.

>>43531 It'll depend on what your routine is / becomes- for me it was an extra 10 minutes in the morning, 3 minutes at night, and some floor space dedicated to drying. The only time it was really inconvenient is if I needed to be out-the-door quickly- rare for me. Though when I woke up late I was more likely to show up to zoom meetings still soaked / before morning shower. (another thing is that it may be harder to hide if you're having folk over- but not really a problem for me) My main issue with it isn't the added time (that would have been spent scrolling youtube or staring out a window trying to wake up), but rather the activation energy- it's a more involved process, so it's harder to restart. I also wouldn't go all in on it sight unseen; cloth is a very different experience from disposable- a bit of an acquired taste, so it's better to try and experiment before committing.

I gotta know, after extensive diaper use, has anyone been able to get less involuntary erections as well as get more arousal-pleasure from wetting? I am sort of starting to grow tired of involuntary sexual responses when I just want to be able to wet easily and feel the squishyness of my diaper

>>43710 Yup, I remember a time when just pulling out a diaper to start putting it on would get me hard. Peeing without having my dick pointing up in the diaper was impossible since I'd start to get hard when I felt myself peeing in the diaper. Nowdays I can easily pee without getting hard at all.

>>43710 I did 24/7 for a year and wore every night to bed for 4 or 5 years before my current relationship. When I started I would get hard when changing and I would have to sit and wait for it to shrink before I could tape up. After I really got into it, that totally went away. When it becomes routine like that it's exciting at first and then just turns into part of the day. Nowadays I do out of town trips for work, and that's my only consistent opportunity to wear, so I do 24/7 while on the trips. Now that I wear irregularly I get semi-hard when I need to pee or after I've gone, but I don't have very much to work with down there so it's not that obtrusive. That being said, being totally flaccid and being pointed in just the right direction as still the most comfortable way to wet. I considered a chastity cage to try to keep it in that state, but after buying three of them I haven't found one that can fit my very high and tight balls.

>>43713 I reached a point where not even looking at diaper fetish porn really gets me hard the way it used to. It has seemingly become just another "hobby" or interest of mine.. But the thought of wetting or messing incontrollably still gets me rock hard, But haven't found a quick and risk free way of achieving either of these things yet.

>>43710 Erection is something you'll eventually have less and less as you get used to diapers. I often popped a boner when padded which made wetting impossible but that went away after a while. Hard to tell how long it took, though. I'm not 24/7, tried it for a month but it's incredibly difficult having a normal life which made me have more sympathy for people with medical issues. Now the only time I consistently wear diapers is to sleep. Again, random erections during the night made wetting impossible but I got used to it and now I rarely have this problem.

>>43802 It's funny you say that. I had an incredibly difficult time having a normal life until I started wearing diapers fulltime. It's a matter of perspective, I suppose.

>>43859 That's interesting, care to elaborate?

>>43859 I'm glad that it worked for you and like the another anon, do tell more. >It's a matter of perspective It's a matter of many factors, already went through my case in the last thread. That said, I still encourage people to at least try a week or more 24/7, they may find a good life like in your situation. I neglected to say that I went most of 2020 in diapers, an almost total 24/7 (I didn't mess often). An year was enough time to get my bladder holding very little, I peed frequently to the point I had to retrain holding in mid 2021 to get back to the normal daily routine. Hard to think it has been almost 5 years now. I don't wish for another pandemic but I had good time in nappies.

>>43873 >>43876 I've always struggled with low-grade incontinence. It's fine when I'm at home and no one else is in the bathroom, but anywhere else? Lots of accidents in school, could barely do work without constant bathroom visits, peeing when I sneeze, etc. For me, there was never shame in wearing diapers, just in *not* wearing diapers when disaster came knocking. I don't see the situation as being that different --incontinent people eventually make the choice on if or not they want to wear diapers, just the same as you make that choice. I made a choice to go further and unpotty train as completely as I can, and I'm happy with that choice. Just don't want to have to think about the toilet anymore.

>>42214 >Do you wear 24/7, if so, how long? I don't for the moment. >What got you interested in 24/7, and more generally ABDL? Do you consider yourself leaning towards AB or DL especially? Hands down DL, the AB stuff isn't my cup of tea. >Do you want to untrain? How will you/have you done so? I'd really like to. >Who knows you wear 24/7? Nobody. >If you untrained, do you honestly regret it? How has your mood about it progressed since you started? N/A >If you don't wear 24/7, would you like to? Why/why not? I'd really like to. I started using diapers 2 years ago to spice up my fap sessions and gradualy wanted to spend more time with them. Ealier this year i started wearing them when i got back when i was home and for the night. The thing is life's a bitch, i lost my job and had to go back living at my parent's home, so that makes wearing diapers without getting noticed very hard. The best i can do until i can go back to living in my own place is wear pullups from time to time, they are easier to manage than regular/abdl diaper.

>Do you wear 24/7, if so, how long? 24/7 myself, but I'mma be real and say that I was one of those miserable kids who had IC growin' up as a kiddo. Piss and shit variety thanks to combination of IBS, food allergies, spastic aspy shite, and spina bifida. >What got you interested in 24/7, and more generally ABDL? Do you consider yourself leaning towards AB or DL especially? DL mostly. Mostly a way for me to accept my diaper usage and IC. Which I've been since I read some seminal pieces of diaper lover fiction when I was young. >Do you want to untrain? How will you/have you done so? Some fucked up part of me wants to train up and the untrain myself. But really can't with my control being so fuckin' bad and random. >Who knows you wear 24/7? Family, a couple real life 'acquaintances', some of my extended family, like my aunt who I work for. It's not a big deal really. But generally I am pretty bloody blessed all things considered. Didn't go to publics and was home schooled for the most part. So missed out on the bullying and probably a lot of PTSD, but also means can't do normal crap. So my mind is crawlin' with freak show stuff that turns off most peeps to it. So I mostly living in my mom's garage's attic, work at greenhouse and try to fuck kinky crazy girls which has been hit or miss. But don't ordinarily come here as most of the topics on board are miss that shit, ya?

>>43438 Thanks for sharing your process fellow ecofag. I might copy it in the future

>>43438 >omutsu brand Do you mean the Rearz omutsu AIO cloth diaper?

>>43979 Rearz Omutsu, yes; though it's not an AIO, it's just a velcro contoured cloth diaper- still need plastic pants.

Interestingly, ChatGPT can be used as a mentor for untraining. I've been talking with the premium 4o model, and while initially it gave pretty much same advices I've come across before, it has given me some detailed instructions how to move forward in my specific case. For example, it instructed me to move away from using an alarm during the night and to drink less water when going to sleep, and these tips seem to be working very well.

>>44153 How did you get ChatGPT this far? Usually it will block any attempt of "self harm"

>>44160 It's not too hard. I don't think chatgpt has ever given me trouble when talking about unpotty training.

>>44160 >>44165 It seems untraining is not (yet) set as "self-harm", so it doesn't hit any guardrails. Also, I went with the good old "I'm thinking of an imaginary character for a book" to be sure. Don't expect it to give some sort of magical tip that'll get you untrained in an instant, but if you explain your specific situation to it, you may get some personalised hints to help you overcome your barriers.

Based on my review of the content, here are the key themes and insights from this person's experiences: Progressive Loss of Control Started with voluntary 24/7 diaper wearing Gradually lost bladder control through conscious relaxation and avoiding toilet use Eventually developed involuntary wetting and bedwetting Maintained more bowel control but still had some accidents Full untraining took approximately 1-2 years Practical Considerations Estimated cost of $2,100-3,600 per year for supplies Emphasized need for proper hygiene and changing routines Recommended plastic pants, onesies for containment Discussed importance of having backup/spare supplies Advised on clothing choices to accommodate diapers Key Advice & Warnings Cautioned against untraining without serious consideration Noted psychological impact and adjustment period Emphasized irreversibility of significant control loss Recommended being open with close friends/partners Advised on managing discretion vs practicality Daily Life & Adaptations Modified clothing choices and routines Developed strategies for public/work situations Accepted some loss of privacy/discretion Maintained professional life with accommodations Found ways to handle social situations Medical/Physical Aspects Noted physical changes from loss of muscle control Discussed different types of loss of control (urge vs complete) Tracked progression of incontinence development

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Emphasized proper skin care and hygiene Discussed use of different diaper types for different needs

Stopped my bedwetting training for a month or so because of an UTI, thankfully it went away just fine. I'm happy to notice that wetting while laying down is actually easier now than before, and now it feels like I could totally get myself used to wetting while barely waking up. I also haven't deank nearly as much water as before just before going to sleep, I wonder if that contributes as well? Never the less, I'm glad my progress hasn't gone backwards despite the break.

>>45559 Quite an odd development has occured. I get a stinging sensation in my bladder during the night when I need to pee. It seems to distract me from letting go, as starting to pee is once again quite difficult. Once I do get started, it's easy to continue, as has been for a long time.

Me, myself? Naw never. I like diapers, I like reading about diapers, like wearing diapers time to time, like pooping in them if i can get away with it. That said i can understand how someone likes it tho. My sis i've known for awhile is definitely into that sort of stuff. pretty weird, obviously that my brother and sister are into abdl. but going to chalk it up to a shitty childhood, me and sis being very late potty trainers (think i was potty trained when i was like 8, fully, and my sister has never fully been to my knowledge), my sis being born spastic (also spastic but like milder i guess), and being homeschooled.

>>47298 I wore during the day in the weekend to try 'troubleshoot' why I can't wet easily while laying down. Lying on the couch, trying to relax as much as I can, I still couldn't get myself going, until I opened my eyes. Suddenly the urge hit me and I could wet without an issue. I tried this during the nights, and it did indeed seem to help somewhat to wet, but I think my body and mind also expect to see some light in order to accept that it's okay to pee. I think I'll have to leave a lamp on to see if it helps.

>>47423 It seems getting easier and easier to wet while laying down and in different positions. I seem to wake up on my side quite often, but I'm starting to be able to pee without turning on my back or stomach. It's very slow progress, and even though I never wake up with a dry diaper, I do wake up with a filled up bladder and at least a vague memory of waking up to wet. I think I'll start setting up an alarm some hours before normally waking up in order to train not to hold on from peeing until the morning.

Bit of a side note but are there any tools or gadgets or anything one untraining or enjoying incontinence play should buy ? (Outside of diapers/pads/pullups and training pants) Thanks

>>48103 Sorry to not answer your question directly, but the hands-down biggest upgrade for me in terms of learning how to comfortably/easily wet is upgrading the quality of diaper I'm wearing. I did 24/7 for a year with shitty store brand diapers, but once I started wearing diapers that I could trust to wet without leaks, my body got the message. Eventually I could wet so easily I wasn't sure if I initiated it or if it was involuntary. I wore to bed every night and learned to wet lying down, and after long enough I started to swear when I woke up wet that I hadn't gone to sleep that way. Time, patience, and making wetting as easy as possible for your body is really the key. It used to frustrate me that I had to force myself to go, but once the muscle memory of wetting in a secure diaper builds up, it all snowballs.

>>48104 I got a bunch of depends and am so leak prone I think I am holding my bladder at times

Anyone know of a way to increase post micturition dribble? Clenching hard, holding breath, etc?

>>48103 There was a thread in the daily diapers Forum where someone build a device that measured how often someone would pee (condom cath with some wires to measures wettnes) and connected that with a shock collar. And would gradually reduce the time between wettings. If for example for 20min no pee the person would get shocked a little. Apparently it worked really well in terms of training. Sadly the person didn't published it's code. But u should be able to find the thread if u search for shock collar and daily diaper forum.

>>48112 Wish I knew how to STOP it. I dribble for like 10 minutes after peeing.

The other day I fantasized about a loss of control again. Something about the idea of either not being able to stop, or simply having to go so often, is super hot to me. But I'm too chicken to commit to it yet to de-train myself. Figured there must be some methods by now to kinda induce bowel or bladder control loss.. I'd even be happy with just having to wet a lot, or unable to hold liquid-y messes in.. anything that isn't a catheter. heard Oil is supposed to work with messing, either didn't work or I used too little of it though.

>>48159 I tried drinking Soylent/Huel/products like that a few years ago. I don't know if they've changed the ingredients since then, but the reason I stopped was because I would end up having urgent liquid shits at very inconvenient times. It sucked because otherwise I liked how they tasted, and I generally felt clearer mentally. Making yourself need to piss a lot is much easier- just actually try to drink 8 glasses of 8oz of water or whatever the recommendation is. You will need to piss every 15 minutes, and you sure you can try to hold it but at a certain point it's just painful and you'll piss just to relieve the sensation.

>>48166 I used to have something like that with a local discounters orange juice and Ice Tea brands, no idea what they changed but drinking that ended up giving me awful diarrhea, almost explosive. Also happens with that super cheap soda, pretty sure they throw in so much sugar substitute it has a laxative effect.. When it comes to pissing, I've had the term "rapid desperation" flow around a few times, worth looking into that? not sure what that is or how it works but it supposedly makes you pee a lot and often..

>>48103 my cg does diaper + training pants + waterproof cover as outer layer. It's a lot, but I do notice I automatically stop the subconscious concern of leaking while peeing on my side. If you want incon, you need to go in all positions.