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Anonymous 01/17/2022 (Mon) 11:06:07 No. 22253
Why is he so edgy?
>>23175 Probably just rumor then.
>>23178 Well Razor fist has a vid on it explaining it : https://odysee.com/@RazorFist:1/raz-r-vs-comics-enter-the-shadow:a Also you don't even need to go reddit to show it : http://web.archive.org/web/20200119003351/http://www.dialbforblog.com:80/archives/390/ >>23178 >Probably just rumor then. Nigga you're a Batman fan in denial. Just accept that the American comics industry is notorious sometimes for high levels of massive jobbing than the golden years of WWF on television. Funny thing, If they really wanted to be Batman as pulpy fun again they really should demand that any new writer showing up to do his stories should have a handle on classic pulp detective and hero stories before even walking into the bullpen.
>>23202 Motherfucker I never denied Batman was a ripoff. Look back to what claim is being disputed before you comment defending your favorite e-celeb.
>>23080 Tarzan I'm finding so far is immensely entertaining. Thanks a ton for the recommendation.
>>23202 Reported for shilling.
>>23616 I really do enjoy the series. Np.
>>23202 >Razorfag No thanks, I'd rather not contract GRIDS.
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Why they pull the actual "super" stuff in the last run?
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>>37263 I hated that Bullseye, they could have given him the accuracy without the ability of suddenly making everything into a bullet if they wanted to be more realistic, without it he's just some nut
>>37888 >he's just some nut That's a big part of the villains in this universe
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>>37986 Yeah, but Bullseye has nothing interesting going on with him or anything to do with his main comics counterpart, something that they got right with Kingpin. Had he been a new character he might have been an interesting addition to the Punisher mythos (like the Mennonite or Barracuda) but instead he is just Bullseye lite with a hard-on for Frank (and we already have Jigsaw for that)
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>>38032 Why is a nigger wearing a Green Lantern outfit?
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>>38032 >sue dibny raped >pink kryptonite >black mantas autism being cured >and many more cases Why 00s comics were so "insensitive"? Even in 80s-90s edge all the evil acts were mean to send a warning or denounce something
>>38054 Edgy rebellious era.
>>38052 Because Guy Gardner got brain damage and was put in a coma for like 20 years, so they needed a new backup Green Lantern for Hal, and got John instead. Later Guy got better and got promoted, but John was already in the job and firing him would have been a real hassle.
>>38052 >>38058 Is a shame we did not get Hal Jordan for the Justice League cartoon like it was originally planned
>>38059 They needed a token negro, Mars abomination wasn't diverse enough!
>>38060 Actually it was a last minute decision because the comics were focusing on other GLs other than Hal, same reason why Kyle was favored in the Superman cartoon over Hal.
>>38061 But it should have been Kyle regardless. He was the main Green Lantern in the comics still, and he was already established in the DCAU from that Superman episode. So why do you think they made it John over Kyle? We all know why.
>>38062 Because Kyle was still a kid in training. At the time he was a better fit for the Teen Titans than the Justice League.
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>>38060 >>38061 Both of you are right. they wanted Hal Jordan but WB told them: NO, They also needed a token negro and originally that token negro was going to be Black Vulcan but since he is not a very well know character they choose John, making john the "Two Birds, One Stone" choice. >>38062 >>38063 In the cartoon the explanation of why Kyle was not available was because he was training with Katma Tui in Oa
>>38063 Kyle was on the Justice League in the comics for years by that point. Meanwhile, Wonder Woman in the DCAU is fresh out of Themyscira. >>38067 >In the cartoon the explanation of why Kyle was not available was because he was training with Katma Tui in Oa Yeah but that's not what was being asked about. It's nice they threw in a reference eventually, but it's not like that was some sort of established lore that made it so they couldn't put him on the team for continuity reasons.
>>38059 Blame 'The Zeta Project' and the anime boom. >>38069 Sometimes canonical lore is respected, and sometimes it's not. Nowadays, they just toss it out the window. Because, on one hand, you got the writers looking to make a name by making [insert popular character] gay, black, and/or transpecial. On the other, a whole production team that has never read the source material and are making a whatever about said source material.
>>38075 >Blame 'The Zeta Project' and the anime boom. How would either of those things be remotely related to not getting Hal Jordan as the Green Lantern in the Justice League cartoon? It's not like anime is known for replacing classic characters with black guys.
>>38095 >>>38076 >How would either of those things be remotely related to not getting Hal Jordan as the Green Lantern in the Justice League cartoon? Well, it's what people usually blame. But we all should know that forced diversity was the real reason. SJW Code Authority states there can only be so many X(white), Y(male), and Z(straight) characters on the mainline to keep the spotlight on the token characters. It's always been a thing. Though, nowadays, it's... out of hand.
>>38096 I've never heard the blame put on The Zeta Project or anime before. I can't imagine what the possible reasoning would be for someone saying it, and I want to know. I want the guy who said it to explain to me his reasoning.
>>38104 Plebbit killed off all of the good online forums. But I understood where most were coming from. Would you have rather had a Green Lantern cartoon instead of The Zeta Project? Or how about a Punisher and/or Deadpool show instead Pokemon: Johto, Master Quest, and Advanced?
>>38113 But we aren't talking about a solo Green Lantern cartoon. We're talking about why Kyle, already established in the DCAU, was replaced with John, who never appeared before, in the Justice League cartoon. I can't imagine what The Zeta Project or anime had to do with that.
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>>38247 I can only recall what sheep have stated to me. Do I agree with it, no. You're conversing with someone that had physical copies of the good capeshit, and I'd rather them have had both Kyle and The Atom in the cartoon.
>>22254 his family is dad
>>38276 Yeah but he wasn't an adaptation of a more interesting character
>>22253 Because Frank Castle (introduced 1974) is Mack Bolan (first novel 1969) stolen by Gerry Conway at Marvel from Don Pendleton and put in a world of bulletproof assholes wearing capes. You'd be edgy too. No, seriously. Late 60s, early 70s cheap pulp paper novels about an ex-military gunslinger vigilante waging an endless one-man war on crime. The novels were briefly popular, though never with "respectable" people, and briefly a meme back when Nixon was President. Compare the violent crime rates then to the violent crime rates now, and keep in mind that, fifty years ago, higher violent crime rates in a police precinct meant they got more money. Since around 1990 it has meant they got less instead. Nonetheless the Bronx or the Tenderloin or the south side of Chicago in 1974 looks positively quaint compared to today. Mack Bolan struck a chord with people who had followed the Manson Family trial and seen Charles Manson's death penalty cancelled. Mack Bolan, when you cut through the layers of gun bunny stuff and he-man back alley karate fighting, a guy whose existence, methods, and motivation all say: "This experiment we've been doing for the past couple hundred years, the Enlightenment, has failed. All it's gotten us is Charles Manson, who is himself a symptom of a much deeper rot. No, it's time to abandon all of this and go back to 'Might Makes Right' as the wellspring of authentic political authority." So of course Gerry Conway and Stan Lee had to grab Mack Bolan, change his name slightly--note that even the rhythm of its pronuncation, the number of syllables, is the exact same--and drop him into a world of dumbfuck asshole capes who didn't comprehend cause and effect or think more than ten seconds into the future. The Green Goblin would take hostages in a bank and kill half of them, and ol' Spidey would web-sling his way in there and grab him by the scruff of the neck and hand him over to the cops, and he'd be right back out on the street for the next issue. Obviously he had a good lawyer, or a sympathetic judge, or maybe the DA was just phoning it in from the golf course. Lather. Rinse. Repeat. Next issue Spidey is fighting the Rhino but the issue after that, Green Goblin is at it again, riding his flying rocket surfboard or whatever the fuck it was, cackling as he drops grenades into crowded Manhattan streets until Spidey shows up to give him to the cops again, and once again he's back on the street before the ink is dry on his paperwork. The Punisher was introduced in Spider-Man comics and his whole thing was to say "Nah, fuck all that," and give the bad guy a .45 caliber lobotomy. Early appearances looked like the writers were trying, clumsily, to show that superheroes are presented with moral dilemmas every day, and to be a bad example of what it'd be like if the superheroes just started killing people, complete with I'm-a-bad-guy black uniform and skull iconography. But, bad writing or no, the character, like Mack Bolan, struck a chord with some comic book readers, and became popular enough to get his own title. It makes me think of how a somewhat popular American TV sitcom at the time, "All in the Family," had Carroll O'Connor playing the inarticulate Neanderthal Archie Bunker, a grotesque caricature of mid-20th-Century urban working-class white men. The producer, Norman Lear, and O'Connor himself were Redder than a baboon's ass, as were all the directors, screenwriters, and actors. Despite this, Rob Reiner, as the smirking insufferable hippie son-in-law, was so fucking sanctimonious as he mouthed all the 1970s Leftist platitudes that audiences overwhelmingly sided with Archie, to the horror of both Lear and O'Connor. Producers and actors living in the Manhattan/Hollywood bubble were alarmed and perplexed that people in Flyover Country were sick of the bullshit and not cheerfully going along with the program. People in Flyover Country are still sick of the bullshit. And that is why Frank Castle is so edgy.
>>38588 >The Green Goblin would take hostages in a bank and kill half of them, and ol' Spidey would web-sling his way in there and grab him by the scruff of the neck and hand him over to the cops, and he'd be right back out on the street for the next issue. Ackshually, since we are on /co/, I feel obligated to point out that the Green Goblin was never arrested. He just plain got away every time he fought Spidey, then he while fighting Spidey. The third Green Goblin, Harry Osborn's psychiatrist, also got killed. I'm pretty sure he was only ever in one arc. Now where you could make an argument is that eventually Peter did find out who the first and second Green Goblins were, and though they kept getting away, he didn't squeal on them, because the Green Goblin was a split personality, and he kept thinking they were "cured," but they kept relapsing. Well he paid for the first one when Norman killed his girlfriend. He kept letting Harry away with it too, until Harry's evil alt personality eventually turned good and he sacrificed himself. Also, I doubt even Stan Lee would give himself any credit for The Punisher. He was long gone from writing Spidey by the time Punisher showed up. Actually, it seems relevant to point out that The Punisher only appeared after The Green Goblin died, and his first story arc stemmed from the repurcussions of that death. He first appeared in the same issue as The Jackal. The Jackal hired him to kill Spider-Man. Later we learn he did this because he blames Spider-Man for the death of Gwen Stacy. After Gwen Stacy and Norman Osborn died, everyone including the cops blamed Spider-Man. This is why The Punisher felt justified in trying to kill Spider-Man. It's also noteworthy that The Punisher didn't get his own solo series for over a decade after his first appearance, and that solo series is really where the character we think of comes from. Before that, he was an occasional Spider-Man and Daredevil antagonist and/or supporting character. He was a hired assassin in his first appearance, though he showed a code of honor and switched sides when he realized his client was actually bad and his target was actually good. You point to the All in the Family comparison, but I don't think it went quite that far under Gerry Conway, though he is a ridiculous SJW now. But Frank's last appearance before his solo series, in Peter Parker: The Spectacular Spider-Man #81-83, from 1983, written by Bill Mantlo, does have Frank freaking out and killing people for things like littering. (Specifically in issue #82.) That is the one extreme case of what you're talking about. All the other appearances of Punisher up to that point had him as ultimately a hero, even if he was mislead into thinking Spidey was a bad guy, and even if Spidey didn't agree with his methods. But in Spectacular #82, Punisher is shown as just being a more cartoonish caricature than the Jackal who hired him in the first place. However, this ridiculously bad writing did not go unnoticed. The first Punisher miniseries (1986), written by Stephen Grant, was the character's next appearance. The plot is that it turns out Frank was only acting like that in his previous appearance because he was drugged by Jigsaw. The story is then about him fighting Jigsaw. So the point is, he was not intended as the ridiculous political caricature you say, and the one time it happened in his early appearances, they then gave him his own solo series that was all about explaining why that one bad story was bullshit. As for All in the Family, the funny thing about that show is as it went on, the series itself had to acknowledge that Archie was right all along. When Rob Reiner quit, they had to write him out of the show. Meathead leaves Gloria and their son to run off and join a hippie commune. Archie was right about him and by extension all hippies. In the last season or two, once every other cast member had left and they renamed the show to "Archie Bunker's Place," he and Edith adopt Edith's niece (I think), Danielle, but Edith dies (when her actress quit), and then there's basically an MRA episode where the courts try to take her from him because since he's a man they assume he's a molester, and the episode is about how unjust that is. By the end, All in the Family was forced to get redpilled. Also, they 1970 George Jefferson, where the bit is that he was exactly like Archie only he hated white people. Now, I'm not gonna pretend they were ever as hard on George as they were on Archie, but it's a premise they wouldn't use today. Even Norman Lear, the biggest pinko commie in Hollywood for decades, was absolutely based and redpilled compared to modern television. But yes, The Punisher is a ripoff of The Executioner. That's still true. As was the style at the time. Death Wish came out right around then as well (though isn't quite as close as Punisher was, since Kersey isn't supposed to be some highly trained badass, but rather an everyman). People of the era were fucking sick of hippie bullshit, and this all reflects that.
>>38032 >that third page It never ceases to amaze me, the kind of absolute cancerous radioactive sewage comic writers get paid to spew.


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