So what is the rippaverse?

>>27660 The universe for people who would be offended if you used the hard R.

>>27661 But they use it all the time!

>>27637 >>27639 Well that's a good enough answer I suppose. Still it's really an uphill battle with superhero stuff since it almost impossible to not tread the same ground as the Big Two have in their 80 or so years of publication. Worse you're going to find yourself in the same position that independent developers find themselves in when they try to make a spiritual successor/clone of some beloved game. No matter how good and how on target they are they're never going to get people to care as much about Bimon Selmont and Samantha Aryan as they do about Simon Belmont and Samus Aran.

>>27669 An autistic enough fan will have plenty of ideas in an old genre, and lord knows capeshit comics have autistic enough fans. Also, there is certainly the opportunity for art by, for example, doing a comic that is itself a commentary on some of the factors which lead to it being created, since the story of the comic industry being ruined, of capeshit being intentionally destroyed, and people having to create their own parallel industry in order to continue making capeshit that isn't bad on purpose, could certainly be fertile ground for plenty of stories. Not that I know if that's what July is doing or not. As for nobody caring as much as they will about the old names? Yeah, that's a significant uphill battle. Gotta take it one step at a time and just make stories that are good on their own. Don't worry about making a universe from the outset unless you mean you have a bunch of ideas for stories that will be good on their own but also intertwine. But that may well be the case. We will see. I like how Richard Meyer is doing different things with Jawbreakers, like individual members getting their own spotlight books, while sequels with the team continue to happen. That is a reasonable way to build the universe, but in an organic fashion that feels like it makes sense on its own, and isn't just trying to build a universe because that's what Marvel and DC do.

So PayPal's being as jewy as it usually is, putting their amount of the collected money on hold due to reports of "problematic" behavior of Rippa (ie. not acting like a poor victimized black for the cameras while screaming BLACK LIVES MATTER!). Eventually they'll refund the money or put it through, but in the meantime, they'll skim all the interest that the money accrues.

>>27735 You think people would realize that Paypal can't be trusted these days. But according to Eric it was the only way for international customers to purchase the book. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1OqmZk3w4Lw

>>27553 Even without the pozz, capeshit is bad because superheroes are over-saturated. Not even super-powers, but superheroes specifically. You see, whole costumed superhero thing is a gimmick.Its fine to have a few franchises with superheroes but when you have tons of them it wears thin. I'd be more interested in some mythological story, either directly based on an existing mythology or the author's own mythopoeia. In these stories you have heroes, who often have superpowers, but they don't feel like capeshit.

>>27747 There's a lot of capeshit that is mythology stuff. Thor being the most famous example. Also, for quite a while now, they've been leaning on capeshit being modern mythology.

>>27739 >You think people would realize that Paypal can't be trusted these days. Customers actually begged him to allow them to use PayPal, and he's all about pleasing the customers, but he knew from the get-go that it was a bad idea. Next time he'll know better and educate those who don't understand they're in a culture war that is rapidly becoming a civil war.

>>27747 >capeshit is bad because superheroes homosexuals and communists are over-saturated. FTFY. We're in CY+7, not 1993. The focus isn't on heroics but talking about feeeeeelings while eating.

>>27753 Homos, commies, & SJWs are the problem at the moment but big two comics still suffer from an impossibly dense wall of information that gets retconned without warning. Keeping anyone new from getting into it all.

>>27755 >Keeping anyone new from getting into it all. The "fandom" of comics that I see always tend to be people reading old stuff to relative modern releases (most "exceptional" cases that are still mediocre but slightly less shit), and watching "lore" videos of x character or checking a reading order/best to read list.

>>27757 Old stuff has the problem of it being harder to collect fully or in good quality. Hell the original Captain Marvel (Shazam) comics were gonna be rereleased but got cancelled because they were racist.

>>27758 There's too much material to buy and all the companies are too stupid to just set up a logical subscription service like Netflix only you get access to every comic they have the rights to. If people could pay $10/month to get access to every Marvel or DC comic ever, a lot of people would probably be into that, but instead they're so stupid they don't even put all their own stuff on their subscription services, when being autistic and reading every issue would be the primary reason for subscribing to a thing like that. Of course, you can always pirate. And since so many of the books aren't available legally anyway, that makes it easier to convince normalfags to just pirate. There are easy sites that have practically everything ever made on them.

>>27760 That's also true. Though even with everything at once available to pirate, it's still a lot to shift through & have to research to understand the longer it goes on.

>>27760 Anime and manga are super fucked by piracy and still getting a shit-ton more money than comics. Honestly I don't know of where that money come from, physical mangas, Blu-ray or just merchandising in general. A streaming-like comic gallery it's not the best option, unless western consumers are more ok with that unlike nips that still buy everything in physical format.

Fair bet that this will suffer the same fate as nearly every nucomic in that the 'circulation' beings to die off precipitously once the second ep appears (presuming it appears). Seems like there's always 10,000 cretins ready to drop money on shit, or how ever many real ones and the rest in the authors bots trying to make it look good enough to join in.

>>27751 Yeah, but it doesn't feel the same though.

>>27765 >Honestly I don't know of where that money come from, physical mangas, Blu-ray or just merchandising in general. Simple FOMO or the fear of things falling out of print or no longer being available to borrow from a functional library. That can and will encourage more readers to collect if only to have a physical backup of a book at a reasonable price before algorithm and hipster pricing make it un-affordable later on.

>>27760 >all the companies are too stupid to just set up a logical subscription service like Netflix Publishers trying to convince people to buy into multiple services would be even stupider, not to mention the natural resistance they'd get from creators. Even Netflix has trouble maintaining subs in a market full of competing streaming services. It's why Comixology took off like it did: readers don't want to use several sites and publishers/indie creators don't want to make their own storefronts. That remains the case even as Amazon cannibalizes it into their Kindle ecosystem.

>>27751 >Thor being the most famous example. Also, for quite a while now, they've been leaning on capeshit being modern mythology. Ah yes sir the famous bullshit line from mid wits that want to justify their mediocre cape fixes. But mang it's just like mythology! At one point some cape books could be mythology, but by their very nature (especially if they're big two cape books) by either lack of ownership or their endless nature, generic cape crap books are meaningless for mythology simply because they run on forever and have no end. There's no payoff to any hero or their families journeys. And if there is one like say Grant Morrison's run on Batman to Final Crisis where Batman murders the God of Evil and then undergoes a transfiguration through space and time to rebuild himself to becoming a true dark knight that evolves beyond his parental trauma... that will be rendered pointless by the autism of the next five to ten authors because they're obsessed about the word Barbatos. Spiderman is never allowed to be a man past high school. Superman doesn't get murdered by foes that are thematically relevant to him like Darkseid, Luther, Brainiac, no he gets whacked by off brand jobber version of the Hulk with pointy bits. Then his death is lazily having him come back, then he turns into a electric guy, then he makes a biological family then Bendis messes him up because he needs to change something in the vain hopes his ideas will become a movie in Superman lore etc. rinse and repeat. Even Marvel's Thor is constantly denied the Ragnarok he was supposed to have. And then Jason what's his name comes along and slaps a bunch of tired wrestling gimmicks he saw on the Monday Night Wars as a kid and then renders Thor not a son of Asgard at all. By contrast the Iliad / Odyssey / Aeneid is the complete story of the Trojan War and it's effects and is the last great epic were the Greek Gods meddle in mortal affairs, to the foundation of Rome. In the bible the story is about fulfillment of a Covenent between man and God and his battles with sin, and the triumph against the devil. Gilgamesh is the story of King adventurer who fails his quest for earthly immortality only to discover that his deeds are now remembered in immortal song along with his family. The Ring Cycle by Wagner is about a doomed family of Gods who must pass away for the age of men. Gone With The Wind is about the end of old Atlanta and his ruling families as it gets burnt down in the Civil War. The American Western is mythological because each story out in the frontier is like a miniature Greek Tragedies or comedies that triumphs as it begins to form the modern USA as an empire. Stories that run on forever and that have no ending nor purpose can never ever become as mythopoetic as those with drive, purpose and endings.

>>27785 To put it simply, actual myths have cultural & religious connotations or importance. Whereas capeshit comics are just products meant to sell paper.

>>27761 Well that's another thing. An official subscription service could easily have sorting options to sort by release date and to sort by reading order, along with filtering options to only show issues that include certain characters or storylines or whatever. Or it could just have user-created shareable lists, and they could let random people make these lists. If they were all on the service, it would be easy, compared to now, when you need to look it all up on your own (though it's not hard since there is one massive site for it, but of course normalfags won't know that). Also, this isn't even really an issue until the '80s, but yeah, that's still long enough ago to make it quite a significant issue. >>27765 Hey. You don't need to put every sentence on its own line. Why would you do that? It's not a greentext, it's not a paragraph, what the hell is it? It should just be a paragraph. >Honestly I don't know of where that money come from, physical mangas, Blu-ray or just merchandising in general. It's all of the above. >A streaming-like comic gallery it's not the best option, unless western consumers are more ok with that unlike nips that still buy everything in physical format. It should be AN option, though, since it would be trivial to set up, requiring far less investment than having to host videos, for example. I prefer physical, but sometimes it is impractical to get a book physically. There is so much material that it's frequently hard to find the specific thing you want physically, and there is so much that I can see how it would be impractical for the company to keep it in print for that long. There are so many books I want that are out of print, and used copies are rare and expensive, but I also understand that few people care as much about Jonah Hex or whatever, and there are other things to prioritize. I'm surprised they reprinted it at all. And this goes triple for all sorts of weird obscure single issue specials or whatever. Of course I want more physical reprints, but a digital service would work well when there is this much content involved. >>27784 >Publishers trying to convince people to buy into multiple services would be even stupider, The nature of the comic industry would mean there are only two companies anyone cares about. Yes, it's not ideal, but it's dumber than not having functional services at all. Also, one advantage comic companies would have is that the nature of their crossovers keeps people reading one more than the other. There's enough Spider-Man to keep you reading for a lifetime, and if you want to branch out, you'll probably branch out to characters that have met Spider-Man in stories you've read, so you won't get as mad about not having DC stuff. Again, not ideal, but it's dumber to not have this as an actual option. They have subscription services, but they suck. They're not functional. >It's why Comixology took off like it did: readers don't want to use several sites and publishers/indie creators don't want to make their own storefronts. Did it really take off though? Nobody reads comics, including on there. It would be good if you could actually just read as much as you want, but having to pay for individual issues and not even having access to all of them makes it a terrible service that won't actually allow you to read entire series, so it's stupid. >>27785 >generic cape crap books are meaningless for mythology simply because they run on forever and have no end. You're a retard. It would have been so easy for you to just say they're soulless corporate logos or whatever. Instead you harp on with the same autistic retardation you always do, except now it's even dumber because the argument you're using it for rests on the premise that classic mythology has endings, and that those endings are the reason anyone likes them. Yeah, sure, the ending of Greek Mythology is the reason anyone likes Zeus. Norse mythology has Ragnarok, at least, but even then, that's not why everyone finds it interesting. Actual mythologies, those that have endings (so very few) and those that don't, are barely connected, highly contradictory, strings of standalone stories. Much like capeshit, actually. If anything, the problem with capeshit is that it is more connected and has more continuity and consistency. That and being corporate marketing tools. The specific stories you've listed are either just modern and not what most people would consider mythology, or they're only parts of mytthologies. But you can understand that you can separate Illiad/Odyssey/Aeneid from other aspects of the wider mythology and appreciate them not just as individual stories on their own, but also as a series of stories that benefit each other, even if you're ignoring other stories in the wider universe that don't mesh with them as much. But you're too stupid to do that for modern shit. Just say the modern shit is shit. That's fine. But instead you contradict yourself more than the stories you complain about. The other thing is that you're interpreting your own meaning in things that are collections of disparate works. You can easily do the same for any large collections. It would be easy to do the same interpretation for something as trashy as the MCU. Now, that's not to say it has the same literary value, that's something to be discussed, but the differences are not in the format. The difference is in the skill with which they were created, and with how far the reader is willing to stretch for their interpretations. Some men can read War and Peace and come out thinking it's a simple adventure story. Others can read the back of a candy wrapper, and unlock the secrets of the universe. >Gone With the Wind Has a sequel, by the way. So now you have to retroactively hate the original because of your autism. >>27786 See this is a much more effective argument. Unfortunately, it's not the argument that was actually made in the post you're replying to. All that said, one could discuss how many mythologies were influenced both by economics, of their authors or performers doing it for money, and by politics, of politicians and whole governments reinforcing certain ones for various reasons. Of course, I don't think that takes away from the value very significantly. The Bible was mentioned, and it's ridiculous that it was mentioned as if it's one book and not a collection of many books, but the thing that made it closer to one book was literally the government picking and choosing which ones counted and which didn't. Does that make it of less literary value, for cutting out a bunch of things for reasons that may or may not be dubious and not for their literary value? Does it make it better, for editing that may help reinforce continuity (even though many continuity errors remained) and perhaps some themes and characterizations? Or maybe you can just read it and interpret it for yourself, for the literary value of the thing you're reading. And you can go and read the apocryphal works, that people used to believe until the government declared them non-canon, and you can judge them as well, both on their own and how they add to the canon. Because either condemning or praising for the way these books were both created and edited is going to anger a lot of people, and ultimately it's all beside the point, since you can read and interpret literary value regardless.

>>27787 Anon you're overthinking everything.

>>27790 Where do you think we are?

>>27791 Most anons here aren't this defensive about capeshit comics. Most have long accepted they suck.

>>27792 Modern ones, yeah. Obviously the people who come here for comics would be largely talking about capeshit. The people you're talking about are the dirty cartoonfags, who actually do seem to talk about and like modern shit, instead of just talking about old shit.

>>27793 Old shit still has it's own problems but at least at the beginning they were meant for mindless entertainment & war propaganda. Still a far cry from being "modern myths" of America.

>>27758 >Hell the original Captain Marvel (Shazam) comics were gonna be rereleased but got cancelled because they were racist My favorite is the old Whizzer stuff. For whatever reason, they gave him an incredibly slow negro sidekick with no powers other than the ability to eat watermelon and fried chicken in endless amounts. I'm no woketard, but it's not hard to see why the roodies lose their shit over their portrayal in CY+7 pop culture. If a white director gets even one thing wrong, they see it as pics related. Having said that, they really need to get over it. Were they vicious caricatures? For the time, yes, and quite unfair. But far too many of them act this retarded in current year and that's no one's fault but theirs.

>>27795 If anything that should make old comics more important to preserve through reprints. Showing they were products of their time. Plus it'd be funny.

>>27787 >Yeah, sure, the ending of Greek Mythology is the reason anyone likes Zeus. Norse mythology has Ragnarok, at least, but even then, that's not why everyone finds it interesting. Actual mythologies, those that have endings (so very few) and those that don't, are barely connected, highly contradictory, strings of standalone stories. Much like capeshit, actually. <<< Dear Fedora tipper this is you being a functional illiterate cunt talking right now for writing that very contradictory sentence. >But you can understand that you can separate Illiad/Odyssey/Aeneid from other aspects of the wider mythology and appreciate them not just as individual stories on their own, but also as a series of stories that benefit each other, even if you're ignoring other stories in the wider universe that don't mesh with them as much. Provides no sauce for his claims >Tries to use the Gone With the Wind "Sequel" as an argument No Sonny Jim, you can't use that as an argument for one simple reason, Scarlett by Alexandra Ripley is basically fan fiction written by someone neither related to old line Georgian types like Margaret Mitchell, nor was it generated by permission of the estate, so it's just mainstream publishing fanfic with little to no connection to the original work or auteur ship. I would say that maybe your argument on the Bible could somewhat work as yes it is a variety of books, buuut due to the through line of it's own faith between the various twelve tribes of Israel/Hebrews through to it's spread in the early church the main through line for later sects. And even then some books like Maccabees are still considered Deuterutical canon, as in they're cannon, they have purpose and can be studied they're mostly consider lesser books. they're Gaidens if you will. But that's very long rabbit hole to walk down, but I will mention that I do find it interesting that the Bible was the first thing you latched to in your complaints about cannon and not say the Cannon scriptures of Hinuism or Buddhism and their contradictions. But then I remembered you wrote this (most likely because you loved the old cape comics you grew up with): >Much like capeshit, actually. If anything, the problem with capeshit is that it is more connected and has more continuity and consistency. How many Crises has DC had at this time?

>>27796 >preserve through reprints Ha ha ha...oh, you're serious. No, anon, nothing historical is allowed if it hurts people's feelings. Art, statues, comic books, etc. Nothing shall be allowed to remain to learn about our "problematic" past. I mean, after all, it's not like we're going to repeat our mistakes by not learning about them, right?

>>27801 I said should. Doesn't mean it will. I'm not ignorant of the backwards practices in reality.

>>27798 >Dear Fedora tipper this is you being a functional illiterate cunt talking right now for writing that very contradictory sentence. So you're just admitting you know not even the basics of what you're talking about? Some of the most popular and influential mythologies have various popular and influential stories that can't agree on basic things like characters' parentage or who is the god of what. But we can still look at the individual stories themselves and what they're saying and appreciating them on their own, and the connections that do exist with others, even if there are also contradictions. >Provides no sauce for his claims The source is your post, the one I was replying to, where you did those things. >Scarlett by Alexandra Ripley is basically fan fiction written So you can separate that sequel because it's by another author, but not other sequels that are by other authors. And then you also went and used many examples of other stories written by many different authors as points in your favor. You're contradicting yourself very heavily, and it didn't have to happen. You just used a bunch of ridiculous examples that don't match the points you made at all. >but I will mention that I do find it interesting that the Bible was the first thing you latched to in your complaints about cannon and not say the Cannon scriptures of Hinuism or Buddhism and their contradictions. I did mention Greek and Norse, though, because they're much more interesting mythologies that I like a lot more than Buddhist and Hinduism. I don't care about those ones. I am complimenting the ones I'm talking about quite a lot, and saying that it they do have value regardless of inconsistencies. Also, you're the one who brought up Greek mythology and the bible. You're mad that I'm responding directly to your points now? Gilgamesh is a single story we have from one source, so it's quite a different beast, as are the Ring Cycle and Gone with the Wind, for similar reasons. The American Western is a fucking baffling example since it's a genre and not even a story, unless you're looking at actual history, and of course real history, especially modern, quite well documented history, is very different from mythologies and the examples of fiction you listed. >But then I remembered you wrote this (most likely because you loved the old cape comics you grew up with): Actually, the capeshit comics I love are way too autistic for kids to understand. I never got into capeshit until I was already finished high school. >How many Crises has DC had at this time? Depends how you count them. I like to be quite liberal and count things like Flashpoint and Superman: Reborn, which would bring the count up to 5, but there are many more stories where characters change reality somehow. But again, doing a sci-fi or fantasy story where there are reality warping things involved is very different from just straight up contradictions. Though there are straight up contradictions as well. Enough that they become plot points, like with Power Girl. Infinite Crisis fixed her though by making it a plot point and giving an in-continuity explanation for things. So it wasn't consistent for a while, but then they retconned in an explanation that made it consistent. (The part of Infinite Crisis that made Power Girl consistent wasn't the part where it changed reality, it was just giving an explanation that wasn't there before, which is what a retcon is. Changing history through sci-fi means isn't a retcon. Back to the Future doesn't retcon itself when Marty changes history. It just tells a time travel story. That's what DC's Crisis stories do.

I just like stories with interesting cultures in them. and characters with interesting names who do legendary stuff in them.