>>40273 >>40276

>>40252 >Gravity Fags At first I got confused until I remember Dipper is a self-insert and his sister is actually based on his real life sister, that explains why the uncle is such a deadbeat piece of shit but everyone has to love him because he marks his limits at white supremacy. Not to mention how the hell Alex Hircsh became a (((beloved))) figure in the animation industry despite working on two or three cartoons under his belt before Gravity Falls and sexual harassment cases that got swept away because of tumblrinas >Batmann in general That reminds me of: https://yewtu.be/watch?v=lL-4GSrUcv4 Did you know despite being the 1%, jews tend to fuck over other jews?

>>40252 Ivy don't be a bitch, you can get a live tree.

>>40285 >Alex Hirsch Supposedly, this was one of the only things Anons managed to save from his deviantart account before he deleted it.

>>40285 >and sexual harassment cases that got swept away because of tumblrinas His waifu was Lauren Faust right?

>>40278 Hot

>>40252 >>40285 Also, the Pines Pawn Shop had a mezuzah

>>40297 That's Craig McCracken

>>40301 >>40297 It's both, Craig actually married Lauren but Alex had a crush on her from when they were both at Cal-Arts. Franky from Fosters Home and Wendy from Gravity Falls are both based on her.

>>40278 >>40298 >>40301 Don't turn this board into cuckchannel /co/.

>>40294 How many of these hipster fags had a DeviantArt account? I remember the guy behind Magiswords also had one but later got deleted because everyone told him that he was a John K knockoff, also Lauren Faust had one where she got stalked by her horsefucking cattle.

>>40304 Where do you think we are? Do you think there's anything else this thread is good for?

The Knuckles TV show had a whole episode called "The Shabbat Dinner," and that's exactly what it's about, Knuckles going and finding out that he's practically jewish already. He fucking loves gefilte fish and whatever jews call their special bread. His tribe getting genocided is explicitly compared to the holocaust, which is kind of fucked because the one that lead the genocide of his people (in the movies) in the movies was Sonic's adoptive mother, Longclaw, so Sonic is kind of Hitler Jr in the movies, I guess. Also in the movies, Knuckles, Sonic, and Tails all have the last name Wachowski, because they were adopted by some guy named Tom Wachowski, who I'm gonna assume is a hollywood jew. They're supposed to be in Montana, but there's no way anyone from Montana has that name. >>40260 >Kitty Pryde She's jewish because John Byrne based her on a classmate he had once. When she found out that he made a comic book character based on her, she had her name legally changed. >Magneto Hasn't he gone through a bunch of retcons over the years, and wasn't he a gypsy for a while? Obviously he didn't have any of this backstory in the original Lee/Kirby run, but what was he said to be first? Jew, or Gypsy? I've always been confused by this guy. Like I heard that Erik Lensherr name was actually a retcon that was only considered canon in the comics for a little while before it got retconned again, but that happened to be the era when the movies started, so that's his name in the movies. They really should just have let that be his name in everything once it became his name in the movies. >>40273 >>Muffie You mean from Arthur? She's explicitly christian. She's a WASP. Francine is is a jew, though, and she gets offended because Muffy doesn't respect hannukah and figures Francine should skip some stupid jewish shit to go to her christmas party, since that's a real party for a real holiday. Muffy was right. >>40308 You know what bugs me? People say The Thing is jewish because of Jack Kirby, but I've read every issue of Fantastic Four that Kirby ever did, and he never brings up jews. That's a later thing by later jews just trying to use Kirby to justify it. He had enough tact to not do that shit. They do fight Hitler (AKA the supervillain The Hate Monger) that one time, and Dr. Doom is a gypsy or something, but that's about as close as it gets.

>>40311 > Also in the movies, Knuckles, Sonic, and Tails all have the last name Wachowski, because they were adopted by some guy named Tom Wachowski, who I'm gonna assume is a hollywood jew. They're supposed to be in Montana, but there's no way anyone from Montana has that name. It's a Polish last name. Also if your need any IRL examples, my grandfather was of Polish descent and he was a farmer originally from Pennsylvania before moving around and settling in California.

>>40252 DCEU Flash (Ezra Miller) is jewish. He describes himself as an "attractive Jewish boy" when first meeting Bruce Wayne in Justice League (2017)

>>40311 >Like I heard that Erik Lensherr name was actually a retcon that was only considered canon in the comics for a little while before it got retconned again, but that happened to be the era when the movies started, so that's his name in the movies. Isn't that the reverse of what happened with the Joker? His name was Jack Napier in the Burton movie so that was canon in the 90's comics and B:tAS?

>>40308 >>40311 >rock man who resembles a golem is jewish Surprised this isn’t considered offensive.

>>40319 Jack Napier has never been canon to the mainstream comics universe. That was made up for the movie. But yes, since Batman: The Animated Series was sort of based on the Tim Burton movies, the name Jack Napier was used in the DC Animated universe. When Batman: The Animated Series started, you could almost consider it to be the same universe as the movies (just pretend Joker and Penguin came back to life somehow), but later Mask of the Phantasm showed a bit more of DCAU Joker's backstory and while it was a bit like the movie, it wasn't exactly the same. Also, there are other episodes with things like cell doors or hospital files saying "Name unknown" in relation to Joker. They pretty much stopped using the Jack Napier name after a while. But they did use it explicitly a few times. Maybe you can assume they eventually realized that it was just one alias and not his real name. While it wasn't canon to the mainstream comics, there were DCAU comics, and other comics based on the DCAU but not explicitly set in the same universe, like a bunch of Batman Beyond comics, and Batman: White Knight. Also, Penguin was a mutant in Batman: The Animated series due to Batman Returns, but then later, after the redesign in The New Batman Adventures, he wasn't a mutant anymore. It was never important to the story, so you can just chalk it up to purely an artstyle issue. I also heard that the main gangster used in the animated series, Rupert Thorne, was originally going to be Max Shreck, from Batman Returns. I don't know if that's true, though. >>40320 Wouldn't a golem not be an actual jew but just a slave of the jews?

>>40319 Oh yeah, if you want examples of things that began in the movies (and other adaptations) and then got adapted to the comics, there are lots of examples. >Jimmy Olsen, Kryptonite, and "Up, Up, and Away!" all came from the Superman radio show. An unnamed newsboy from very early issues of Action Comics sort of evolved into Jimmy, eventually, but the name was first used in the radio show. >Superman started flying in the theatrical shorts before the comics. >The Batcave first appeared in the theatrical serials, not in the comics. >The names "Jor-L" and "Kal-El" first appeared in the Superman newspaper comics (an alt-continuity to the comic books) and in a Superman novel. >Barbara Gordon (Batgirl II) first appeared in the comics, but only because the producers of the TV shows requested a female lead that they could add to the show. >The Spider-Mobile was literally made to sell toys in real life, and the comics had to use the concept to promote it. The comics do a meta-commentary on this, with the story being that Spidey is literally being paid to drive it, for marketing purposes, even though it makes no sense and is terribly inconvenient. >The Fortress of Solitude being a crystal looking thing with a hologram of Jor-El (and sometimes Lara) is from the 1978 movie. >While The Kents were dead since Action Comics #1, the idea of his dad dying and his mom surviving was from the movie. He also usually dies of a heart attack, because of that movie. Post Crisis, both the Kents were alive again, but then Pa died of a heart attack in The Death of Superman but got better. (Like he only died for a minute and they managed to bring him back.) In the late 2000s, Pa died again, while Ma Kent survived. Post-Flashpoint, though, both the Kents died before Clark became Superman, like it was Pre-Crisis. But this was still felt in other adaptations, like in Smallville, where Pa Kent dies of a heart attack while Ma Kent survives for the whole series. Pa also dies (but not of a heart attack) in Man of Steel. >The Phantom Zone has sometimes been portrayed as a floating mirror, and that's from Superman II. >Harley Quinn was invented for Batman: The Animated Series. >Mr. Freeze's origin story, with grief over his sick wife causing him to put up a cold exterior, was invented for Batman: The Animated series. >The Robin costume from Batman & Robin, which itself was deliberately based on the Nightwing costume from the comics (but with Robin colors) was then adapted back to the comics for Nightwing's costume. >The X-Men costumes from the movie probably influenced the Ultimate X-Men comics, and sometimes the mainstream comics which sometimes had costumes like them. >The Spider-Man movies gave him organic web-shooters, and then the comics did a convoluted storyline to give him organic webshooters in that continuity as well (it reverted like less than a year later). >Superman Returns gave Superman a son (he fucked Lois and erased her memory back in Superman II, so now some guy played by Cyclops from the X-Men movies was getting cucked by Superman and neither he nor Lois knew it), so the comics then gave Superman a son (he and Lois found a Kryptonian kid and adopted him) to tie in with the movie. (Turns out he was Zod's son and eventually sacrificed himself to the Phantom Zone to beat his dad, then later got a good relationship with his dad and is now pretty much a bad guy). >Lex Luthor's dad, Lionel Luthor, is from the Smallville TV series. First he was only adapted to the comics as a name for Lex's dad, who was otherwise the same as his pre-Crisis version, a drunken loser. Then he appeared in a form that looked like the tv show, but he was a zombie in Blackest Night. Later, they finally adapted him closer and said that the reason he was known as a drunk loser before was because Vandal Savage fucked with his mind and erased everyone's memories of how awesome he used to be, or something. Idk, I never read that one yet, but I should, because Lionel is awesome and is the main reason to watch Smallville. For some reason, Marvel went well out of its way to not tie in properly with the MCU when it was at its height. In the middle of the decade when the series was at its peak, they killed off most of the core Avengers in the comics and replaced them with diversity hires. Also, at the height of the Nolan Batman movies, shortly after The Dark Knight, DC killed Batman and replaced him with Dick Grayson for a while. That story was actually awesome, but that's not the point.

>>40319 >>40325 For another example of stuff that was only canon briefly in the comics but got adapted in that brief period (and thus was canon in the adaptations for longer), there is the fact that Bart Allen was only The Flash for one year in the comics. But that year was the year Smallville started adding other DC comics characters to the show, so Clark Kent met Bart Allen, and Bart became the guy who eventually joined the Justice League, and continued acting as effectively The Flash (though they did always call him Impulse) in this live action JLA for another seven years. Then in a comic that continued the series for another couple of years. Batman: The Animated Series clearly wanted to use Jason Todd as the second Robin, but Tim Drake was the Robin in the comics at the time, and Jason Todd was dead, so they used Jason Todd's origin and personality, but called him Tim Drake. Later, they did Return of the Joker, which had flashbacks that were almost a loose adaptation of Death in the Family, where Jason Todd was brutally killed by Joker, only here Tim was only tortured but does survive. But then many years later he becomes the new Joker. A couple of years after that movie came out, the mainstream DCU Jason Todd came back to life and took on the identity of The Red Hood, which was Joker's previous identity before he became The Joker. So brief things in the comics influenced the adaptation, and then the adaptation influenced the comics. When Superman: The Animated Series wanted to use Green Lantern, they had to use Kyle Rayner because he was the GL in the comics at the time. They essentially gave him Hal Jordan's backstory, so that he could fight Sinestro, but he did have Kyle's secret identity (he was an artist, not a pilot) and personality. Later they replaced him with John Stewart as the main GL in the Justice League cartoon, anyway. There was also that live action JLA pilot that was effectively based on the Justice League International. Guy Gardner was Green Lantern and all that. But that pilot never got off the ground, so nobody cares. There are a lot of weird examples of things that were only canon in the post-Crisis era but were put in adaptations because that's what the comics were doing at the time. Like how DCAU Supergirl was not from Krypton, but instead a different planet called Argo (in the comics, Argo was a portion of Krypton that broke off and survived) because DC was determined to keep Superman as The Last Son (or Daughter, or Dog) of Krypton at the time. They weren't allowed to call her Kara Zor-El, so they had to call her Kara In-Ze. While they didn't have to go as far as to use Matrix, the fucked up genetically engineered monster that was Supergirl in the comics at the time (she later fused with a human and became an angel), they couldn't just use classic Supergirl, even though they clearly wanted to. Also, they said Kara was in suspended animation, so while she was born before Superman, she was younger now (so they could at least not have all the Argonians alive, as they were for a lot of pre-crisis comics). They later adapted this to the comics when they did a new Kara Zor-El, and said she was in suspended animation and launched into space before Krypton blew up (which sidestepped a lot of the whole Argo plot entirely). Wally West is a beloved Flash who was the main Flash for as long as Barry Allen, but the DCAU clearly wanted to use Barry and not Wally. Whenever they show his origin, it's pretty much Barry's. But they have to call him Wally to match with the then-current comics. They never mention that he was once a sidekick. They show he was a scientist who got hit by lightning while holding chemicals. His personality is pretty much brand new and not like either Barry or Wally from the comics, though. Wonder Woman first becoming a superhero many years after Batman and Superman is a post-Crisis thing that also happens in the DCAU, but that's probably a coincidence. I'll still mention it, though. Spider-Man: The Animated Series (from the '90s) didn't do an origin for Doctor Octopus because it was supposed to be a tie-in to a live action movie that never came out. They also had to use the Hobgoblin instead of the Green Goblin because of similar tie-in meddling. Later they got permission to finally use the Green Goblin, and had to do some clunky retcons to explain how The Green Goblin inspired The Hobgoblin even though The Hobgoblin appeared first in this continuity. I heard they also had to use Hydro-Man instead of Sandman because of weird tie-in stuff. The first theatrical Spider-Man movie is essentially an adaptation of The Night Gwen Stacy Died, but they made Gwen a redhead and called her Mary Jane, because MJ was well established as the love interest in the comics at the time. Spider-Man: The Animated Series did the exact same thing a few years earlier. Both times the story is somewhat faithful, but Gwen is called MJ. Related but not exactly the same: The only reason The Death of Superman happened is because they wanted to do The Wedding of Superman but they wanted to make it line up so he got married in the comics at the same time as in the TV show, Lois & Clark: The New Adventures of Superman. The TV show wasn't gonna be able to do it for quite a while, so they had to come up with a filler storyline. Their idea of a filler storyline was The Death of Superman.

>>40306 Nice

>>40325 >>Superman started flying in the theatrical shorts before the comics. You mean the Fleischer cartoons right?

>>40358 Yes. Also, the first time Superman flew in the comic book continuity was actually in a text story. But that text story was published in an issue of Action Comics (or Superman. I don't remember), so it counts.

>>40256 Superman is also Jewish coded >The characters he was inspired by at his creation were John Carter of Mars, Samson and Moses according to his creators two of which are prominent characters in Jewish faith. >Additionally his original heroic role as a defendant of the oppressed during the 1930s considering what Jewish people were going through was very deliberate. Especially when his role was inspired by the Golem from Jewish faith which is usually a being created from Clay made to protect the innocent, marginalized and oppressed within a society, particularly the Jewish people within those communities. Which is literally what Clark initially did, before settling on his alien origin he was even supposed to be an actual Golem made from newspaper. >Even his name and disguise are Jewish coded with his Kryptonian name Kal-El being Hebrew in origin and his disguise as Clark of slicked back hair hidden in a cap being something that Jewish men often did to hide their curly hair and avoid prosecution.

>>40367 Samson & Moses are from the Old Testament so that means they're from the Hebrew faith. Jews just co-opted it.

>>40367 >>40368 That reminds me, why do the Kikes elevate Moses to an almost messiah like figure? If you actually read the Old Testament, he begs on his knees and makes every excuse possible that God should pick someone else for the job of freeing the Israelites (To the point that I remember a Christian comedian joking that Martin Short should have played him in The Ten Commandments rather than Heston). And when he finally IS leading the Israelites to Canaan, he spends half the time ridiculing and slaughtering them for their heresy, and the other half of the time trying to temper God's anger because of all the bullshit the Israelites pull. You'd almost think that Mose would be the LAST person the Kikes would want to idolize, yet they treat him as being an even more important figure than their coming Messiah.

>>40367 The new Clark kent from the new 2025 Superman movie is portrayed by a Jewish actor

>>40370 Most recognisable. How many people know what Gideon did?

>>40367 >he was even supposed to be an actual Golem made from newspaper. I thought he was supposed to be an evolved human from the future, hence “The Man of Tomorrow”.

>>40367 >The characters he was inspired by at his creation were John Carter of Mars, Samson and Moses according to his creators two of which are prominent characters in Jewish faith. He's also somewhat strongly based on Hugo Danner from a novel called Gladiator, by Philip Wylie. Jerry Seigel denied knowledge of the novel, but reviewed the novel for a fanzine when he was in high school. DC later acknowledged the connection (once Gladiator was public domain). When the Crisis on Infinite Earths changed history and Superman was removed from Justice Society and All-Star Squadron continuity (since the original Superman from the Golden Age was erased from history), his role in historical stories was instead filled by a character called Iron Munro, stated to be Hugo Danner's illegitimate son. >Especially when his role was inspired by the Golem from Jewish faith which is usually a being created from Clay made to protect the innocent, marginalized and oppressed within a society, particularly the Jewish people within those communities. Which is literally what Clark initially did, It's also what any heroic figure does. His first adventure is rescuing a woman who was falsely convicted of murder and about to be executed. Then he prevents the girl he is simping over from being raped. Then he goes to Washington and threatens a corrupt senator into confessing. This leads him to find out the guy is warmongering to help his buddy who is into weapons manufacturing. He's starting a war in Latin America, so Superman takes the weapons guy there and shows him how shit it is until he promises to stop. Then he gets the leaders of the two armies and forces them to fistfight each other instead of sending thousands of men to die on their behalf. That all happens in the first Superman story (covers Action Comics #1-2). He gets up to a lot of different stuff. I don't know. It doesn't feel particularly jewish to me, partially because it's ANTI-warmongering. You know the jews love starting wars in third world shitholes. The issue after that is about shutting down a mine because of dangerous conditions for the workers. Maybe you could consider that commie or something. But issue 13 is about how the taxicab union isn't just a mafia racket, but it's actually run by the first supervillain ever, the Ultra-Humanite, who reveals that he was actually behind most of the schemes Superman had been thwarting since he first appeared. I think attempts to say Golden Age Superman was very political, which almost all reference this first year of stories, are all reaching. Commies also try to reach and say Superman was going after rich people, but he also went after corrupt labor unions, and that actually leads to his first recurring villain. >before settling on his alien origin he was even supposed to be an actual Golem made from newspaper. Source? This sounds like some Grant Morrison metanarrative shit. Superman IS literally made out of newspaper, because he's a character in a comic book (originally intended to be a newspaper strip). Morrison also did his version of Ultraa in The Multiversity. In Pre-Crisis comics, Ultraa was the one superhero from Earth-Prime, the real world. Post-Crisis this Ultraa still sort of existed but his history was changed so now he was from the planet Almerac (home of Maxima) in the universe of New Earth (the main universe). Post-52, (and Post-Flashpoint,) Morrison established that on Earth 33 (which was only formed in 2006), which was essentially a copy of Earth-Prime (which was destroyed in 1986), Ultraa existed as a literal comic book. The comic itself IS the superhero. Not that it's flying around and stuff, but it's a message about the power of these stories in the real world. My point is, this sounds very much like saying Superman was supposed to literally be made out of newspaper. Of course, years before Superman as we know him, the alien, Seigel and Shuster made a previous character called "The Super-Man." Small-time crook Bill Dunn gets psychic powers from a scientist's experiment and goes on a rampage before his powers wear off and leave him in the lurch. They also spoke of another version of Superman that never got published at all, created between Bill Dunn and Clark Kent, but they said this guy was pretty much just like their later creation, Slam Bradley, who is just a tough detective. When they couldn't get this version of Superman published, they destroyed the one copy that existed. It should also be noted that Superman's family name wasn't originally "El," but "L." In the Superman newspaper comics, less than a year after Action Comics #1, the names Jor-L and Kal-L were used, but they were not used in the mainstream comic books. The newspaper strips were a different continuity, despite being made by the original creators. Superman's mother was also called "Lora" here. "Jor-el" (note the lowercase e) first appeared a few years later, in 1942, in a novel based on the Superman radio show, written by George Lowther, who was a writer for the show. "Lora" was also changed to "Lara," and that stuck. Jor-El and Lara first appeared in the comic book continuity in More Fun Comics 101 (1945), in The Origin of Superboy, which was thus one of the first times Superman's origin was retold and expanded. Superman #1 expanded it a bit, but not really the Krypton portion. The name Kal-El wasn't actually used in a comic book until Superman #113, from 1957. Jor-L and Kal-L were thus never used in actual comics continuity until decades later, as a retcon to differentiate Earth-Two from Earth-One. Also, Seigel and Shuster previously used the name Jor-L for an unrelated character, a futurecop. But yes, Jorrel is a jew name. >his disguise as Clark of slicked back hair hidden in a cap being something that Jewish men often did to hide their curly hair and avoid prosecution. I prefer this over his fucking broccoli-head like in this pic. >>40372 >>40370 Sounds like Moses was being humble yet trying to help. It was a tough job, dealing with all those fucking stupid jews, but he did what he was told and got the job done. >>40377 Originally they said Kryptonians were super-evolved, owing to their world being older than ours, and that essentially that's what we could expect humans to be like in the far-future. As far as we know for prototype versions of Superman, there is Hugo Danner, a guy who got powers from his dad experimenting on him, Bill Dunn, a criminal who got powers from a good-guy scientist experimenting on him, a tough detective akin to Slam Bradley, and then finally Clark Kent, who got his powers from being an alien.

>>40378 >As far as we know for prototype versions of Superman, there is Hugo Danner, a guy who got powers from his dad experimenting on him, Bill Dunn, a criminal who got powers from a good-guy scientist experimenting on him, a tough detective akin to Slam Bradley, and then finally Clark Kent, who got his powers from being an alien. What about that short story I always see referenced, about the race of "Supermen" that take over the world?

>>40380 I'm pretty autistic for Superman, but am not familiar with this. You might be thinking of "Reign of the Supermen," which is the title of at least one later story, where there are multiple Supermans. The most notable is probably the time that Superman died and four replacement Supermen showed up. Those are referencing "Reign of the Super-Man," the prototype Superman who was a bald criminal named Bill Dunn who got experimented on. It's possible I'm just not familiar with the story you're referencing, but Superman is one of my autistic interests, so I'd be very surprised to have missed this one entirely.

>>40382 >Those are referencing "Reign of the Super-Man," the prototype Superman who was a bald criminal named Bill Dunn who got experimented on. I was mistaken, it was that one: https://infogalactic.com/info/The_Reign_of_the_Superman I misremembered it being about some race of alien superhumans taking over the world, not all the dissimilar from some earlier portrayals of why the Kryptonians were originally interested in Earth.

>>40403 There are a lot of stories about how Kryptonians were evil space conquerors in the distant past. Like some continuity has it so the Green Lanterns had to bar them from space travel due to all the stuff they got up to. And there is the planet Daxam, which was a Kryptonian colony, and thus Daxamites are only slightly genetically distinct from Kryptonians. But that was in the distant past, long before Jor-El's time. There's also Smallville, where there is a lot about how Clark thinks he was sent to Earth to conquer it, due to an ancient prophecy of the local indian tribe in Kansas which is mostly about him and Lex Luthor but then also contains a bit about Doomsday, but since Doomsday is also from Krypton he thinks it's talking about himself. So Doomsday actually was a Kryptonian attempt to conquer Earth in that continuity. But that was just General Zod's doing and not like a mainstream cultural thing, although Zod did command a lot of people. Also at one point the prophecy seems like it could be actually referring to when an orb full of clones of Zod and his men showed up. They tried to take over Earth, of course. And that was loosely based on the New Krypton arc from the comics which happened only a couple of years earlier. But that was all in the late 2000s, so I doubt that's what you're talking about. There was also that whole Krypton TV show they did, about Jor-El's dad, but even though I watched all of Smallville, by this point all these damn DC TV shows had even turned me off, so I stopped watching. I bet there was something about colonizing other planets though.

>>40367 >Samson and Moses Unless read from Kabbalah, I don't understand why anyone would compare Superman to Samson other than his power compared to humans. If Superman was Samson, he would ultimately destroy Earth for the sake of Kryptonian colonization, and everything he does would be either a cryptic act to bring humans and Kryptonians together or a deliberate error against Kryptonian ideology. >>40370 >why do the Kikes elevate Moses to an almost messiah like figure Moses is where Judaism finally took a turn to becoming something decreed and codified by God through direct intervention via the ten (or nine+one, if you're Samaritan and consider the Israelite perception rather than the Jewish perception) commandments. Moses is also the central figure to all Jewish self-perception. He's a humble father figure who was chosen by God to free others. He ridiculed and killed Jews who strayed from the faith. He abandoned the temporal power of the goyim (succession as Pharaoh) and joined his people after making all possible attempts to save them through noble action. He received and taught the Torah. He freed the Jews from their greatest and most opulent oppressor. He is so influential in God's plan that the next prophet (or the Messiah in some interpretations) was/will be a "prophet like I" from Moses's own mouth on command from God because Moses is so great in his Atlas-like task of bringing salvation to the Jews (and thus the world) that someone else must become him after his death.