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/co/ Pain Thread 9: Propaganda, Leaks, & an uncertain future for DC. Anonymous 11/19/2024 (Tue) 05:24:53 No. 42136

It's that time again for a new thread! Let's see what we got. Moon Girl & Devil Dinosaur is only now catching people's attention, at the end of the cartoon's life, because of a withdrawn episode dealing with... transphobia. DEFINITELY NOT PULLED FROM AIRING BECAUSE OF TRUMP WINNING. Remember when capeshit cartoons were about superheroes instead of gender identity politics? Is Devil Dinosaur even IN this episode?! This is Jack Kirby's legacy, folks. Recently, Hazbin Hotel had a bunch of leaks with an entire episode, reference sheets, & songs all now out in the open. Said leaker shot himself in the foot trying to make people pay for more though. Which only pissed off the people interested & put a target on his back. Then in a positive note for once, The Penguin finished. It's actually a pretty good show BUT not without the typical flaws of these capeshit shows afraid of actually being comic booky. Oswald is nicknamed 'Oz' & he never dons a top hat, has a weaponized umbrella, nor wears a monocle. Other disappointments are Sofia Falcone & Magpie's looks just being completely different indistinct ladies. Sofia is easily the weakest part of the show. Especially when they try to write girl power moments for her. BUT if you enjoyed The Batman movie & or The Sopranos then you should enjoy The Penguin. But on that positive note, we have two uncertain features of James Gunns DCU. Creature Commandos & James Gunn's Superman. One a typical hyper violent totally NOT Suicide Squad derivative featuring vaguely recognizable comic characters.... & Weasel. Possibly taking a generic jab at MAGA voters with these red hat gun toting men getting torn apart. Totally won't instantly age like organic fruit the minute it drops if it's really a political commentary. Then of course Superman... well who knows what to really expect from Superman. It seems like it's going to be more heartfelt BUT also very bloated in a rush to build a universe. With bizarre decisions regarding characters working for Max Lord as corporate heroes & possibly a Bizarro named Ultraman dressed like Doomsday. We'll see more once that supposed finished trailer drops.

Anonymous 12/05/2024 (Thu) 23:16:42 No. 42309

>>42306 >>42308 Well the gnomes are always behind everything in the shadows.

Anonymous 12/06/2024 (Fri) 04:02:44 No. 42310

Just so everyone can have full context. Also this show is the start of the DCU & it's already confusing in how they needlessly complicate what's canon. At least versions of the events of Peacemaker somehow are if I'm understanding this correctly.

Anonymous 12/06/2024 (Fri) 07:51:38 No. 42312

>>42310 Starting a new cinematic universe with a cartoon series most people will probably not watch, is not a good start.

Anonymous 12/06/2024 (Fri) 09:29:56 No. 42313

>>42310 How many DC universes are there already. Isn't it already enough?

Anonymous 12/06/2024 (Fri) 12:15:00 No. 42314

>>42313 A lot, just by going though the comics alone, but even with TV series there is more than plenty, especially if you want to count really old stuff like Atom Man vs Superman from the 1950s or the Fleischer cartoons. If we go for things post 2000 that was either on TV, Theater or Direct to DVD then we have: >Smallville >Arrowverse >Nolanverse >Sniderverse >The new one with Superman and Creature Commandos <I don't know where The Batman even exists as a universe <I guess Watchman is also a DC universe now >Green Lantern universe >Superman Returns <This is a sequel to the first two Superman movies, but not III and IV As for cartoons: >The Justice League Cartoon <This also includes past shows, like Batman and Superman TAS, Batman Beyond and so on >Batman Brave and Bold >Beware the Batman >Some Batman show I probably forgot about <Not sure where all the animated movies fit in, some of them being Else-Worlds like Soviet Superman >Green Lantern: The Animated Series >Teen Titans Go! Honorable mention: >Arkhamverse These being the Batman Arkham games that culminated with the Suicide Squad killing Batman controlled by Brainiac Oh and there was also the Flash movie, that made references to the 90s Batman movie, a cancelled Superman movie from the 2000s with the giant spider, and I am sure I forgot some stuff.

Anonymous 12/10/2024 (Tue) 18:30:32 No. 42385

>Helluva Boss >see the design for Satan >Looks like a shitty OC done by a highschooler This is probably the case lmfao >Doesn't remotely look like what he should or what he could >Lucifer & Satan are two different entities The fuck is this gay bullshit? I only watched it for Loona/octavia but they kept focusing on the worst possible aspects; Goes to show anything tumblr makes is garbage. Hopefully after S2 of HH Vivian gets mauled by a bear & they cancel it all. Both shows are about muh fadda & go nowhere. I watched S1 to near completion but dropped it. Haven't given a shit, but I realize these "shows" are genuinely terrible lmao In case you haven't seen satan's design I'll save you the trouble it's a four eyed dragon in casual clothing with a jacket that looks like a letterman's jacket.

Anonymous 12/10/2024 (Tue) 19:01:05 No. 42386

>>42385 Lucifer and satan being two entities originates in judaism or some other abrahamic religion, I think. So it's not her idea. But satan does look goofy, I get the dragon idea that's a common design used in apocalyptic art pieces. But really? A cowboy-punker? That's just stupidly cheesey like 1990s cheesey. Also based tasyes for liking octavia

Anonymous 12/11/2024 (Wed) 01:01:44 No. 42387

Secret Level, those animations from Amazon are out. Not really worth watching to be honest. The 40k one will probably get a meme or two outta it but that's it.

Anonymous 12/11/2024 (Wed) 03:41:12 No. 42388

>>42385 >Lucifer & Satan are two different entities >The fuck is this gay bullshit? First time? Vivzie is not respectful to nor knowledgeable of actual biblical text. Even the extra stuff she pulls from like Dante's Inferno or the Ars Goetia doesn't get proper treatment. She also broke her own lore & had to make an excuse for it.

Anonymous 12/11/2024 (Wed) 04:44:37 No. 42389

>>42388 I thought that was the case in the old testament or at least it was the title of any entity (most likely a demon) donning the title to torment mankind.

Anonymous 12/11/2024 (Wed) 04:50:46 No. 42390

>>42389 No, read the Enochian texts.

Anonymous 12/11/2024 (Wed) 04:52:21 No. 42391

>>42389 It's not canonically clear. Lucifer comes from the word for morningstar that was referring to a king as an insult. It was adopted by Paradise Lost I believe as the devil's angelic name. Whereas Satan came from the hebrew word for adversary & noncanonical text like the book of Enoch saying the fallen angel's name was Satanael.

Anonymous 12/11/2024 (Wed) 04:55:11 No. 42392

>>42391 No the enochian texts are canonical, the catholic church just didn't want people summoning demons. The coptic church never stopped using it, and it is from them that the text has survived til today, a partial copy found with the dead sea scrolls verifies its age, and the current content.

Anonymous 12/11/2024 (Wed) 04:56:52 No. 42393

>>42392 The new testament book of Jude quotes from it directly also.

Anonymous 12/11/2024 (Wed) 05:14:27 No. 42394

>>42392 No they're not canonical. Canon means being officially recognized & in the official bible. The book of Enoch is not. It just leaves out explanations for things like the flood & giants that are canon.

Anonymous 12/11/2024 (Wed) 05:17:27 No. 42395

>>42394 But it is, just not the catholic church. You know theres other churches right?

Anonymous 12/11/2024 (Wed) 05:19:46 No. 42396

>>42395 Yes there's other sects. That doesn't make it canon if one sect considers it. Catholics & protestants by & large don't. Most bibles will not include it.

Anonymous 12/11/2024 (Wed) 05:21:07 No. 42397

>>42396 That still doesn't make it non canon, as you said that word has a meaning, and enoch fulfills it. Appealing to popularity is a argumental fallacy, you are reaching, instead of just admitting you are wrong. Why?

Anonymous 12/11/2024 (Wed) 05:25:12 No. 42398

>>42397 The council that decided biblical canon did not approve. Modern biblical scholars do not approve it. That means it's not canon. You can choose to believe it's canon but OFFICIALLY it is not.

Anonymous 12/11/2024 (Wed) 05:29:11 No. 42399

>>42398 Nicea? Uh, yeah they did. And some modern biblical scholars believe it is divinely inspired and canon. Again appealing to popularity is not how you argue, people agreeing with you doesn't make you correct. Facts do. And OFFICIALLY in the Coptic Orthodox Church (founded 42 AD) It is. Why you being weird about this dude? If your a believing Catholic, or one of its breakaway sects (Protestant) than you believe it is non canon. Thats a statement of faith based on the teachings of your specific denomination. Not a universal truth, representing it as a universal truth, is a fallacy. Do you understand? Cuz im losing my patience tbh bro

Anonymous 12/11/2024 (Wed) 05:33:10 No. 42400

>>42399 Where are you getting that from? By your logic, when was it NOT considered canon after then? If you believe in the bible then you have to believe it as universal truth. And I have no idea where you get the idea it is or ever was considered largely canon. You're acting like a hipster who's going against the grain on what's "popular". Nowhere officially in most bibles nor major modern sects of Christianity is Enoch canon. If you want to tell me otherwise then by all means provide sources but to me right now it sounds like you're just coping for no reason.

Anonymous 12/11/2024 (Wed) 05:37:22 No. 42401

>>42400 No, I am attempting to correct your bad theology, and in the process your logical fallacy when it comes to arguing. The Enochian texts are not considered CATHOLIC canon, and as such were repressed by that church somewhere around 1400ad exact date is hard to specify. You can say "these aren't catholic canon" and I wouldnt not argue with you, because that is a correct theological statement. However that is not what you said. As for sources, on what the existence of Churches besides the one in Rome? Yeah thats, ridiculously easy https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Coptic_Orthodox_Church Enjoy I guess.

Anonymous 12/11/2024 (Wed) 05:41:09 No. 42402

>>42401 They only recognized FIRST enoch dude. No one has ever considered second or third enoch to be canon. Stop busting peoples balls in a comic thread, and go back to your designated containment board >>>/fringe/

Anonymous 12/11/2024 (Wed) 05:42:26 No. 42403

>>42401 >>42402 My brother in Christ this isn't a debate class. There is no argument. You just admitted the Enoch texts are not Catholic canon. The catholic church was established first. Ergo it is not canon text. There end of discussion. You're the only one being anal about this for no reason.

Anonymous 12/11/2024 (Wed) 05:43:54 No. 42404

>>42403 Well the coptic church was founded in 42 AD, and Peter didn't claim to be pope until at best guess 56 AD. Soooo no, you're wrong.

Anonymous 12/11/2024 (Wed) 05:43:59 No. 42405

>>42400 >Nowhere officially in most bibles nor major modern sects of Christianity is Enoch canon. Technically, not true. Enoch is considered canon according to the Ethiopian and Eritrean Orthodox Tewahedo Church. But nowhere else, that's it. Not according to the Protestants, the Catholics, the Orthodox, or any other denomination or communion. It's only those two specific sects that consider Enoch to be canon to the New Testament.

Anonymous 12/11/2024 (Wed) 05:44:54 No. 42406

>>42403 Please ignore him, he's a schizo who's been trying to summon demons on /fringe/ for the past year. He's obsessed with Enoch. Do not engage, report to your local board owner. I'm sorry brother.

Anonymous 12/11/2024 (Wed) 05:46:04 No. 42407

>>42405 Thats the best kind of true, technically true! >>42406 Nigger you're the first person I'm gonna curse when I figure out Solomon's uncorrupted pre-Renphan seal.

Anonymous 12/11/2024 (Wed) 11:48:13 No. 42409

>>42407 Curses aren't real and you can't summon demons regardless of how "canon" your books are.

Anonymous 12/11/2024 (Wed) 13:41:25 No. 42411

>>42409 Curses aren't real, but your faggotry is pretty real

Anonymous 12/11/2024 (Wed) 16:29:08 No. 42413

>>42405 Canon to 2 small sects is not the same as wide Christian canon. It's like when people say "Oh this is canon because of this comic" even though it's an AU story.

Anonymous 12/11/2024 (Wed) 20:23:50 No. 42415

I have nothing to add then this thing

Anonymous 12/15/2024 (Sun) 18:44:28 No. 42520

>>42415

Anonymous 12/15/2024 (Sun) 19:09:06 No. 42521

>>42385 >muh fadda I don't know this newfangled slang. >>42386 >1990s cheesey. Sounds great compared to other modern shit. Helluvaboss has been okay so far to me. I think the last episode I saw was the one with the party maybe? It's been a while. Octavia a cute though. Too bad about Loona lusting after that nigger though. And of course, her syphilis.

Anonymous 12/17/2024 (Tue) 03:44:06 No. 42549

>>42136 Beware my fellow comic fans, there's a wrongthinker on the loose: https://yewtu.be/watch?v=bme5ltOS45s You'd be surprised the amount of numales shitting their pants in rage because the ginger straight out named the (((marxist))) instead of doing hoops and loops on what went wrong with DC and Marvel. >>42310 Fucking hell, if you didn't tell it was another shitty TimeWarner cartoon I would've assumed it was another million dollar original piece of shit with "subtle" leftwing ideals produced by Nigflix. Of course le ebil skeptics didn't bring up the question that'd make any dyke get their panties in a twist being: >If you're so feminist? Then build a house without the help of men and work yourself to death hauling heavy furniture

Anonymous 12/17/2024 (Tue) 03:54:31 No. 42550

>>42391 According to the few guys who bothered to read the whole bible realized that the Devil or Lucifer are not real characters and the humanoid creature with horns is just an uncanny bible character, so far the closest thing to Satan is the talking snake and the guy convincing Christ into ditching humanity.

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