>>16004 The world was never meant for one as beautiful as Frank Miller

>>16004 I liked dark knight returns.

List of worthwhile comic book writers that hate Muslims: Frank Miller List of worthwhile comic book writers that are Islamophiles: none. Conventions are gay as fuck so I don't care too much, but can they at least pick an ideology that has had some kind of positive influence in comics to start repressing people over instead of fucking Islamophilia? All it's resulted in is shitty self-insert tokens like Ms. Mudslime, Dust, and the mudnigger Green Lantern from Dearborne.

>>16007 The sequels are the problem. Doesn't help he gets ugly horrid artists on board.

>>16011 >sequels W-what. Plural? As in more than one? But why?

>>16012 How did you not know?

>>16013 Stopped reading comics years ago. Trying to get back into it lurking this board. This news displeases me.

>>16014 Don't bother. Capeshit isn't worth it. Especially not Miller's Universe. Sure there's some good french comics out there but you won't find much value in american comics. None in big two capeshit. Only edgy bullshit in indie books.

>>16012 >But why? The same reason as every unnecessary sequel; writers favor money over integrity. Companies want to milk a little extra buck from a recognizable story.

>>16015 Well fuck.

>>16017 Yeah you did yourself a big favor getting out when you did. Corporate mandated comics without consistency do not lead to anything good. Who knew?

>>16013 >>16014 >>16015 >>16017 >>16018 >Recommending All Star Batman and Robin

>>16022 You didn't read. I didn't recommend anything.

>>16011 >1st image I still remember that I.M. meen video.

>>16012 >But why? Hubris as it were. Miller in reality struck super gold status after doing The Dark Night Knight Returns and Year One, which where the peak of his noirish stylings since Daredevil. And his influence from The Dark Knight Returns in the long run became the defacto goto influence for American action comics right through the later half of the 80's through the Image revolution of the 90's to the early aughts. Yes there are many a fool (especially comics press people huffing gasoline) who would say Alan Moore was influential as an auteur, but in reality very minuscule European and American comic artists and writers ever bothered to take up his experiments (such as Promethia) or early formalist works through Watchmen. After this and his successful indie runs with the Sin City Series, 300 and Martha Washington in the 90's he was one of the lucky few from the former big two, who not only made off like a bandit, but was aggressive enough to get some free reign to experiment and make these kind of books starting with his work on Daredevil, and also made sure he got paid for it which was the opposite of Alan Moore who would just do psycho billy freak outs and make oral agreements with editorial instead. And thus he survived and thrived past the speculator boom of the 90's. Then 2001 happened and the Fiery Salafist Nation attacked. And there was also a rise from the ruins of a particular internet forum that would set the course of the comics industry past these events (and no it's not livejournal, tumblr or even the Goon infested Something Awful) with a cult of personality that would be worse than Stan Lee/Marvel Movie worship. And at the big two, 2001 finally ended a particular era of the bronze age for the big two from my remembrances.

>>16040 Think back to events of what was happening past the era of 2001. >The collapse of the Twin Towers >Death of the speculative tech bubble >Stocks imploding >The beginning of the Forever War and the escalation in more open surveillance in North America >Rising Conglomeration of just about every business you know of from WoTC to Micro$haft to Pinkerton to toy companies to Television and Film >The creeping death of small businesses for big boxes >Finance replacing home grown production of goods (especially cars) >Starbucks replacing a Starbucks In the case of Marvel and DC, the old bronze aged editorial that drove the big two were now fading. In the case of DC as well, the big long running epics that once were it's bread and butter had crashed hard. The Post Crisis continuity now undergoing no end of Crises with pointless resets. And some of the biggest creator owned story lines ending between The Invisibles, Sandman, and Transmetropolitan. And past September 11th, we would see DiDio run as executive editor/editor-in-chief and then accelerate and run all of DC comics under his pozzy hands (and later would be teamed up with Bob Harris the true kiss of editorial death) right into the ground for 18 years. And in some ways it's not a surprise that the 2001 to 2009 period is a messy era of everything kinda being in flux at the big two, so much so, that when Miller goes to do his long awaited sequel, there just no fucking oversight given to him whatsoever. Non existent backgrounds, Sin City esque levels of caricature but ruined by his wife Lynn Varney getting drunk on Chardonnay and going gonzo with computer coloring to generate a bad rip of American Flagg with the Silver Age version of the DC superheroes, being represented as disjointed and banned gods in a distracting meme media saturated landscape. All run by Lex Luther. In the hands of a more disciplined artist like Chaykin (see the first page posted here from American Flagg #3), you'd get a more meaningful recap and more compact exposition scenes and movement, and clear dynamic action. With later day Miller (first three pages of DK, you get wasted spaces, panels all outta wack, and a minimalism that feels more like padding than a proper stylistic choice. But other than the readers quietly walking away from this vanity project, most pros just couldn't say no. All of this was tolerable because it was a old remaining project from 2000 to 2001 transitioning into the aughts so there was still some slack and trust in the bronze age US comics community. But as the aughts went on one of his last 90's works got adapted in 2007 and that's when the knives came out for him and the killer's phone calls were coming from inside the house.

>>16041 *(the Three DKRSB pages are the first 3 from issue #:3). >Back to story So we spin on we are now around the year 2007. And here's the recap and snapshot so far. >America builds a wonky mash up "Coalition of the Willing" >Chinese out sourcing flies into overdrive >American Action Cartoons are mostly gone and kinda off of the air >4 years post Anonymous 1 year before Chanology >Six years in on the War on Terror now turning into a dysfunctional Sicilian Expedition One Year prior to 2007 Miller punched out a column that got posted on NPR : https://archive.ph/LcyS - That Old Piece of Cloth : Then came that sunny September morning when airplanes crashed into towers a very few miles from my home and thousands of my neighbors were ruthlessly incinerated — reduced to ash. Now, I draw and write comic books. One thing my job involves is making up bad guys. Imagining human villainy in all its forms. Now the real thing had shown up. The real thing murdered my neighbors. In my city. In my country. Breathing in that awful, chalky crap that filled up the lungs of every New Yorker, then coughing it right out, not knowing what I was coughing up. For the first time in my life, I know how it feels to face an existential menace. They want us to die. All of a sudden I realize what my parents were talking about all those years. Miller at this time was between some Hollyweird projects Sin City on one hand two years prior and of course the bigger hit, Zack Snider's adaptation 300 on March the 5th 2007 exactly. What most anons on here won't get is that this movie when it came out right in the middle of the 2007, some of the biggest bass boosters came from the then ascendant conservative blogsphere during the Bush II years. For example Neo Conservative historian Victor Davis Hanson : https://archive.ph/n4WA5 / https://web.archive.org/web/20101130015156/http://victorhanson.com/articles/hanson101106.html With 300 it looked as if there was new audience that would come in to read Frank Miller's work, or that they just preferred using 300 as part and parcel of their own biases and simply not bother to either hire the guy away from Hollyweirdness towards their side. And in the process the Holy Terror Batman! book was not going to come out through DC in 2006 for the well obvious reasons that Wahabist / Salafist Muslims tend to want to blow you the fuck up or stab you or groom you for a bad opinion, and with DC trying to get it's shit in order in the Time Warner Hierarchy the last thing you wanted was that happening on your shift. But with Miller having solid allies at Legendary Pictures and all that Hollyweirdo movie money in his pocket he was now super hot shit, and really he didn't need DC anymore to put it out. Because Legendary Pictures was about to go all in on the "nerd culture" shit, with their own comics imprint line. Now he really could do whatever including making Gucci commercials : https://vid.puffyan.us/watch?v=7weB4XiqQ70 So that Holy Terror project would get released, after some reworking and then 2011 rolled around for release.

>>16047 2011 >Occupy >Gulf War Electric Bugaloo Continues with no end in sight >4 years into the founding of tumblr, and after the implosion of Livejournal and the upside down rainbow league begins it's retched encampment on the net to damnation of all. >WoW and Big Bang Theory critical mass >Marvel Movie Hits But prior to it dropping on Sept 28th, 2011, Miller did the one thing that we now see as so damn near fucking common. He shat on his audience, the one thing that with enough Hubris can sink your future projects even if you think you are untouchable with Patrons who love you. Yes anons, the infamous Anarchy essay from his own site : https://web.archive.org/web/20141011065504/http://frankmillerink.com/2011/11/anarchy. The “Occupy” movement, whether displaying itself on Wall Street or in the streets of Oakland (which has, with unspeakable cowardice, embraced it) is anything but an exercise of our blessed First Amendment. “Occupy” is nothing but a pack of louts, thieves, and rapists, an unruly mob, fed by Woodstock-era nostalgia and putrid false righteousness. These clowns can do nothing but harm America. Frank's rather odd outburst fell apart on former readers for several reasons. Namely that his all pro authortarian stance in the name of war seemed to have missed how the Patriot Act didn't really do much to keep us safe. Or how all the surveillance tech in the world fails to consistently stop mass shootings, or worse when information gets leaked out it's constantly discovered that the police or even the intelligence community will outright refuse to act on it, when the information is screaming that they've got to move to stop say the Boston Bomber. Or worse they like slapping in crisis actors or pushing false flag ops on the public. There's also the problem that our War on Terror involves us fighting the same deceitful backstabbing countries (like Pakistan) and units (like Al-Queda) that we bankrolled to win the Cold War in the first place! Worse he never understood that the very spirit he rebelled against within his own boomer cohort was now very much in control of the rebellion, but mostly due to having a nice fattened generation of Champaigne Communists and Socialsts that were infiltrating and flushing out honest working and middle class citizens for wrong think with bullshit progressive stacks, thus rendering Occupy open for control under big business with their one opponent the pubic neutralized and rendered null and void. Meanwhile Rage Against the Machine continues to be a grand promotion for the Machine, and soon the poz loading of your culture begins in overdrive with financiers and Schwabbers in tow and those same pozzers coming to flood and fuck with the HR at your job. But this essay failed even harder because it went against his own heroic values that he maintained in his own work.

>>16053 The common through line between Daredevil through to Sin City or even 300, is the common theme of righteous people trying to fight something, and somewhere along the line they've got to escalate to fight the dudes behind the dudes ruining your shit. Daredevil has to beat the Kingpin. Big Guy and Rusty ain't just fighting Godzilla they're fighting a Cuhtulu primordial force of nature. Marv has to kill the Cardinal of Sin City to clear his name once and for all. Martha Washington joins the military to get out of the ghetto only get gassed by chemical weapons in the damn face, and then has to battle her former officer who's now run a coup, then the previous president who militarized everything, then the remaining beaucracy behind it all, and then an Ayn Randian AI trying to take over the damn world, and barely doing by the skin of her god damn teeth every time. Holy Terror fails because it has none of this and only has incoherent rage on the page and nothing else.

>>16058 Is Holy Terror ban worthy? No it's fucking not. But as I state before is more of his kinda degeneration in his art and story telling. >Lack of backgrounds >Sketch as fuck art but with none of shadow skills >Wigged out rando montages that mean nothing >City in story has no sense of atmosphere >Crap villians that don't nail down how fucked up Wahabbism / Salafist holy war really is. >Useless wide screen presentation that at times is mostly wasted. It's crap is what it is, not ban worthy just kinda trash. Not even fun looking trash. At least if you two finger discount the later Dark Knight Sequels you can somewhat imagine what they'd be like if later day Miller art emulation wasn't a part of it. They read like MIller trying his hand at epic silver age stories. But all things come to their final end.

This isn't even the first time Zainab Akhtar has pulled this shit. In 2018 she got a graphic novel called A Suicide Bomber Sits in the Library cancelled. https://archive.is/vivbe

>>16059 Sometimes I think about putting in the energy to edit Holy Terror back into a Batman book. Batman, Catwoman, and, I dunno, I guess the Question in place of the weird jew. Frank Miller did nothing wrong.

>>16134 >Frank Miller did nothing wrong. Well except that for the story he didn't place in a satisfying final boss. If this psudeo Batman story ended the way it should, with Batman pulling a full Marv and then beating the shit out of the corrupt globalists/banksters that back these types of groups or murdering a proxy for the Saudi Royal Family and/or the secret service of Pakistan, or murdering CIA agents for funding these guys in the first place, you'd have a more satisfying story. Which as I've mentioned before that's the normal story that Miller writes. And by pulling his punches his book doesn't offend, it just comes off a rather weak and semi limp wristed. The problem is that Miller never grasped what most nationalists / libertarians in the past decades knew. That terror is sadly driven by old busted strategic operations that our entrenched military industrial complexes refuse to be shut off along with corrupt NGO's. And that's not getting into the bullshit so called "migrant crisis" where false refugees from sub Saharan Africa and the Middle East treat Europe as a dumping ground for their economic failures and backed by globalists dumping money into said fake NGO's. The Miller of the Sin City/Martha/Washington Era (see the pages of 1 and 3 of Martha Washington Saves The World) would have bothered to address this shit, but the panicked old man who wrote Holy Terror after five years past it's due date, turned into a frightened stupid moron that thought the Patriot Act was good idea. If Theo Van Gogh was alive the first thing he'd do is tell him to read Camp of The Saints first then write Holy Terror. But then again, Miller is a later day libertarian and an FDR fan, so he'd probably not understand something like Camp of The Saints telling him that not all men are blank slates that can simply be molded by simply just being on the soil. But despite all of my complaints he didn't bend the knee to a little nobody shit whose works and books nobody buys nor will ever read, and that's far more important. But it will never be as badassed as the comic Pigman is, or it's artist Bosch Fawstin.

>>16181 WTF? That's twice tonight my files posted but the thumbnails are broken.