>>26073 That's all for today!! Thoughts so far? Looks promising.

I like it so far. Neat that they reference Krakkl. I appreciate deep autism like that. Now if only they'd reference Captain Carrot and the Zoo Crew, which is the other obvious world that has similarities to Sonic's. But I suppose this should be accessible to casuals, and as much as I'd want this to be peak autistic, I understand why it shouldn't be. Of course Batman and Shadow had neat interaction, even if it was a bit on the nose. I wasn't sure if I liked the idea of Knuckles being paired with Superman, but playing the angle that they're both the last of their kind is fun. I hate Sonic calling Amy "my long-term bestie," though. First of all, Sonic would never say "bestie." He's not a girl. No male has ever uttered that word in the history of time. Secondly, if Sonic actually likes Amy, then he's just being a tease and it's cruel. If he doesn't outwardly show that he actually likes her, it's fine, but if he pretends he does while rejecting her, it's mean. But of course actually all it is is more of completely ruining their entire dynamic, and completely ruining Amy as a character. Because this is written here because Amy doesn't like Sonic anymore, and we're basically supposed to pretend she never did. But then why does she exist, Flynn? She serves no purpose now except for being a token girl. She has nothing to her. And if Amy is Sonic's best friend, then what the fuck is Tails? Obviously Tails is Sonic's best friend. This is like if Batman was introducing his supporting cast, said that Robin is a good fighter and everything, but called Catwoman his sidekick. It's like if Mario said that Luigi was a good guy, but Toad was his brother. These are simple kids' characters with simple and classic dynamics and niches and archetypes. We all know Tails is Sonic's best friend. It's the whole reason he exists. Amy exists to be a love interest. They might as well have Shadow become cheerful, as long as they're fucking up all the basic archetypes and dynamics. But we all know it was just done for feminism. Like damnit, we can't even escape it in a damn Sonic comic. Now if I'm being really autistic, Silver would have been better paired with Kyle Rayner Green Lantern, because they're both younger. Or maybe even just Hal Jordan, to make connections between both of their cities being destroyed. Or really, he's just Booster Gold, the fuckup from the future who doesn't actually know what's going on despite the fact that he should theoretically have future knowledge. But yes, we know he was John Stewart both because he was in the cartoon and is the most well known, and because he's black (which is why he was in the cartoon). Alternatively, Silver is sort of like Pariah, as he's not from around here, but always gets drawn toward the biggest disasters in existence. But Pariah is a very obscure character and not a member of the Justice League, or really even a hero, so whatever. I also still don't like Cyborg being treated as one of the core Justice League guys. He's a New Teen Titan, damnit. Tails might as well be teamed up with Hawkman or something. But then Hawkman is really more like Knuckles. Tails could be with Superman, as they both fly, but I guess that's a lame connection. I mean obviously Sonic is Superman. But then obviously Sonic is Flash. Okay, whatever, fine, I won't nitpick the Tails pairup, I guess. Or wait, maybe he could have been with Green Arrow. He likes gadgets. Really I'd want him to be with Aquaman or Martian Manhunter, because they're Founding Members of the Justice League, but aside from Tails being the best swimmer in Sonic 3, I suppose he doesn't have that many similarities with those guys.

>>26078 What about pairing Silver with Martian Manhunter and having Tails pair with Hal Jordan? Also, am I the only one who feels like "every" crossover between media is the same in execution? With how every single character from a series find their most appropiate counter-part, they both swap how "cool" they are, etc., etc., etc.. I feel like the previous Sonic crossovers with Image and Mega Man both avoided this kind of awkwardness.

If only Flynn was allowed to reference all Sonic material. Not only could they then reference the previous multiversal crossovers with Mega Man, where they also met tons of other Sega and Capcom characters (though I suppose they'd have to not name names when referencing Capcom characters here), but they could allude to meeting other superheroes, like the the ridiculous Image Comics crossover from the '90s, or the time they met Sabrina The Teenage Witch. But most of all, this would be the best time to use Scourge, since it's a blatant ripoff of Ultraman from DC Comics, and his entire world is just a blatant ripoff of the various Crime Syndicate worlds. And the Justice League is aware that there have been multiple Crime Syndicate worlds, so if they learned of Scourge, they could point out that not only is he a copy of Sonic, he's a copy of the Crime Syndicate, and there are like four other Crime Syndicate worlds, too. And Ultraman gets his ass handed to him each time. The more meta Scourge gets, the better. Alright. I'm in this deep, so I'm just gonna unleash my full autism and explain more fully why Scourge should have been in this comic. This will require I back up a bit... In 1964, DC introduced The Crime Syndicate of America. Earth-One is the home of the Justice League, who we all know. Earth-Two is the home of the Justice Society, who are actually from older comics from the '40s, and the Justice League is the rebooted version of them. But then to have their cake and eat it too, DC said the Justice Society still lived on Earth-Two, and they're older now, so basically they're the older Justice League. Earth-Three instead has the Crime Syndicate. They're like both the Justice League and Society, but backwards and evil. Superman is Ultraman, Batman is Owlman, Wonder Woman is Superwoman. Interestingly, the Crime Syndicate's fast guy is Johnny Quick, who is obviously equivalent to both the Flash of Earth-One (Barry Allen) and the Flash of Earth-Two (Jay Garrick), but actually there is also a hero called Johnny Quick on Earth-Two, who I don't think ever interacts with the evil Johnny Quick, but Jay Garrick and Barry Allen interact with both of them. So Johnny Quick of Earth-Three is the counterpart of at least two different people on Earth-Two. He's the equivalent of both Jay Garrick and Johnny Quick. And oh, there's also Power Ring, the evil Green Lantern equivalent. There's an evil spirit inside his ring called Volthoom, and it scares him, and his fear is what powers it. But more important is Alexander Luthor of Earth-Three. Being the backwards Lex Luthor, he's the greatest hero of their universe. But being Lex Luthor, he's destined to lose in his universe. His only hope of winning is to recruit the League and Society from their Earths and make them fight the Syndicate outside of Earth-Three. On Earths-One and Two, good always wins, but on Earth-Three, evil always wins. That is until 1985, with the arrival of The Anti-Monitor, essentially the god of the Anti-Matter universe of Qward, where Green Lantern villains The Thunderers and Weaponers live. The Anti-Monitor ate all the positive matter universes, including Earth-Three. The Crime Syndicate tried and failed to stop him, and everyone from their universe died. Except right at the last second, Alexander Luthor and his wife, Lois Lane (who is apparently destined to always fuck the greatest hero of her universe) sent their infant son, Alexander Luthor, Jr., into the multiverse in a prototype one-man spaceship (echoing Superman's origin). He was found by The Monitor (the Anti-Monitor's good counterpart), but not before getting dimension warping powers from being sent through the warping multiverse. With Alex Jr's help, the heroes of the multiverse defeated the Anti-Monitor and saved Earth-One, merging a few other universes into it, including Earth-Two, but Earth-Three was destroyed. Alex Jr., along with Superman and Lois Land of Earth-Two (meaning they were the original Superman and Lois, from Action Comics #1), as well as Superboy from the real world (he was only discovered very shortly before the real world was destroyed. Yes, the real world was destroyed in 1985), all went to a "Paradise Dimension" created by Alex with his powers. Because DC probably felt like it would be sad to literally kill the original Superman, so they had him go to a sort of heaven instead. Also, a couple of other positive-matter universes survived for various reasons. One of these was The Fourth World, the universe where the New Gods, including Darkseid, live. Darkseid used his power to shield it from the Anti-Monitor. Also, The New Gods traverse universes so easily that it almost never comes up that they technically live in a different universe. But they do. Also the cartoon animal universe of Captain Carrot survived. It was just left out entirely because I guess DC figured they didn't want to murder Captain Carrot on screen, because doing that to such a cartoony character would seem ridiculous, even though he was firmly part of the multiverse. But a few years later DC realized that actually the concept of the evil Justice League from the backwards universe was awesome, so they introduced a new Crime Syndicate, who this time were just from the Anti-Matter universe of Qward. See, the point of the Crisis on Infinite Earths was to remove all the alternate universes, because they felt they were too confusing. But they left the Anti-Matter universe, because I guess they figured one alt-universe was fine, and this one was important to Green Lantern lore, and it was the main bad guy in the Crisis, which was still canon and super important. So after the Crisis, history was changed so there was never alt universes, but the Crisis still happened, only now it was a war between the Anti-Matter universe and the (single) positive matter universe, instead of infinite positive universes. And oh, for the record, Qward is not technically the name of the universe, (that's Earth -1, pronounced "Earth Negative One,") it's the name of the planet at the center of the universe, the equivalent of the Green Lantern homeworld, Oa, on Earth-One. But sometimes the whole universe is called Qward. I guess you could call Earth-One Oa by the same logic. The Anti-Matter universe also has an Earth, and it's just called Earth. So anyway the Justice League met a new Crime Syndicate, this time from the Anti-Matter Earth. But the Justice League at the time didn't include the characters everyone loved. This was the era of the Justice League International, when all the famous guys quit, and the league was made up of guys like Booster Gold and Blue Beetle. So the Crime Syndicate they met was equivalents of them, and not the characters we care about. But later, the classic Justice League got back together, and apparently, off-panel, the Crime Syndicate also got shifted around, and now was filled with equivalents of the classics. So you had Ultraman, Owlman, Superwoman, Johnny Quick, and Power Ring. And a few others I think. I forget. They're not important right now. Anyway, there was also a new Alexander Luthor (Sr.). He came to the Justice League world, which he called "Earth 2," though this isn't an official title, and is an ironic joke on how the Justice League sees themselves as the center of the multiverse. (Well actually, after all the universes merged together in the Crisis on Infinite Earths, Earth is literally the center of the multiverse. Specifically, Central Park in New York City on Earth-One. This would be a plot point in a few stories, like Our Worlds At War, from 2001, but that isn't terribly important for our purposes.) So Alexander Luthor recruits the Justice League to help him beat the Crime Syndicate, who have killed all the other heroes of their world, like The Jester, the equivalent of The Joker. But the writer of this story remembered an older bit of DC trivia. Before "Superwoman" was the name of the evil Wonder Woman of Earth-Three, it was the name Lois Lane took on when she occasionally gained Superman powers, starting back in the early '40s. So here they established that Superwoman was the equivalent of Wonder Woman, but she was also the equivalent of Lois Lane, so she had a relationship with her equivalent of Superman, Ultraman. Also she was cheating on him with her equivalent of Batman, Owlman, because I guess this is the evil universe, so of course. Now to be clear, this second Crime Syndicate was a completely new set of characters, and nobody remembered the old Crime Syndicate, even though we were dealing with the same Justice League and Justice Society. Later, in 2005, Superboy from the real world, from here on called Superboy-Prime, changed reality again, though. See, he was watching the universe from the Paradise Dimension, and he didn't like how dark and edgy things got since 1986, so he got mad and punched the wall of reality itself with his Silver Age Superboy strength, and this literally cracked reality and changed history. Alexander Luthor, Jr. agreed that things sucked, so they went out into the universe in an attempt to recreate the multiverse, even if it meant destroying the one current (positive matter) universe. They also briefly convinced the original Superman (of Earth-Two) to join them, but once he realized it meant hurting the remaining universe, he turned on them, and Superboy killed him. So this means that the original Superman was killed by a fan from the real world trying to make things more like they used to be when he was a kid. Which is weird because it's precisely what this story did. Things did become more like when the author, ascended fan Geoff Johns, was a kid. Anyway, Superboy-Prime was imprisoned by the Green Lanterns on Oa, and Alexander Luthor, Jr. was murdered by The Joker in revenge for not inviting him to join is Secret Society of Supervillains. But the point is, Alexander Luthor, Jr. was the biggest villain since the Anti-Monitor, and is responsible for recreating the multiverse and changing history. But changing history with Superboy's reality punch, around the same time the multiverse was recreated, resulted in everyone remembering the multiverse used to exist. So now everyone remembered the original Crime Syndicate. They also remembered the Antimatter Crime Syndicate. And there were also new universes like Earth-Two and Earth-Three. These were called Earth-2 and Earth-3. But upon visiting them, they were like the originals, but not actually the same. They were sort of close copies, but not literally the same. This meant that characters who used to live on Earth-Two and got merged into Earth-One (which was now called New Earth, Earth 0, or Prime Earth, not to be confused with Earth-Prime, the real world) went to visit Earth-2 only to find it wasn't the world they were originally from, it was just an uncanny similar but different world. This also meant there was a new Crime Syndicate on Earth-3. They existed at the same time as the Antimatter Crime Syndicate, but I don't think they ever interacted. They both fought the Justice League on different occasions, though. The Earth-3 one wasn't very important, but it had versions of the classic lineup.

In 2011 Flash went back in time to save his mother from getting killed when he was a kid, and this broke history and when it got pieced back together history was different across the whole multiverse. Also they later retconned that it was extra different because Dr. Manhattan from Watchmen stole five years of time from the timeline, but later they got it back. Don't worry about it. Anyway, The Crime Syndicate of Earth-3 was different now. Like, not totally different, they were still versions of the classic lineup, but they never fought the Justice League before. It's unclear if the Justice League would remember fighting them before they got changed into their current versions. Probably not. The Earth-Three and Antimatter Crime Syndicates would have still existed in the past, and the Antimatter Crime Syndicate would even still technically exist in the present, but I think they stopped showing up unless they did again in a newer story I haven't read yet. Anyway, The Crime Syndicate of Earth 3 (the hyphen gets dropped to denote that it's after Flash changed history) came to Prime Earth and took over the world. In this version of the Crime Syndicate, Alexander Luthor (Sr.) (but technically a new guy separate from the various Alexander Luthors that came before) killed the evil version of Shazam (formerly known as Captain Marvel until Flash changed history), Mazahs, and stole his powers. Now, historically, Shazam was the name of the wizard that gave Captain Marvel his powers, but since that changed after Flash changed history, this meant that by stealing his powers, Alexander Luthor was now the new Mazahs. He's also kind of a dick, and he gets killed. Meanwhile, Lex Luthor from the main universe got a bunch of guys together and long story short they ended up killing most of the Crime Syndicate, except for Superwoman. But twist! Superwoman is pregnant! Who could the father be? Ultraman? But we know she cheats on him with Owlman (because this was an element carried over from the Antimatter Crime Syndicate, even though those are technically different people). So it's Owlman's kid, right? No! Because the writer of this story, Geoff Johns, remembered that Superwoman is Lois Lane, and on the original Earth-Three, Lois Lane was Alexander Luthor's wife, and birthed his son, Alexander Luthor, Jr.. So turns out that Superwoman, the slut she is, was cheating on both Ultraman and Owlman with Alexander Luthor, and she gives birth to his baby, who I'm pretty sure had powers due to his parentage. Around this same time, Darkseid was at war with The Anti-Monitor (oh yeah he got revived by Green Lantern's nemesis Sinestro back in like 2008) over the Anti-Life Equation, Darkseid's ultimate MacGuffin which is a mathematical equation which proves life isn't worth living, so anyone who hears it will give up their will and become the slave of whoever uses it. But due to many decades of bad writing, sometimes The Anti-Life Equation is like a massive bunch of energy, and one time it was personified as a demon or something. Also, Darkseid got the Anti-Life Equation before, in like 2009, in Final Crisis, but it was reversed because Flash came back to life and gave everybody The Life Equation, which I guess was Speed, or Love, or Hope, or something like that. Anyway Darkseid died (actually two or three times. He was already a ghost at that point) but since he's a God he's fundamental to existence so he was recreated and... I guess he didn't have the Anti-Life Equation anymore? Even though people remember Final Crisis, because it's pretty important to history. Batman died for a while. Actually he got shot back in time by Darkseid's eye lasers and became a caveman. But everyone thought he was dead and it was important to history. Anyway turns out The Anti-Monitor had the Anti-Life Equation all along. His real name was Mobius, as in the original owner of the Mobius Chair, owned by Metron, the New God of Knowledge. So the Justice League purges the Anti-Life Equation from him, under the assumption that then he won't be evil anymore. Nope. He's still evil. Anyway him and Darkseid kill each other, but Darkseid's daughter, Grail, kidnapped Superwoman's baby and put Darkseid's soul in it or something, and then he grew up into being Darkseid again. But my point is, this means Darkseid is technically Alexander Luthor, Jr. now. Why is this important? Because Alexander Luthor, Jr. is deeply tied up with the Crime Syndicate. He was born to their world, and he recreated their world, and he's one of the biggest villains in DC, even aside from being Darkseid now. Of course, this Alexander Luthor, Jr. is technically a different guy than the original, but he's the equivalent, and the equivalency is important with characters such as his parents. It's why they are his parents. And Darkseid has never been rebooted. He survived the Crisis on Infinite Earths unphased. So he would remember the previous Alexander Luthor, Jr., and appreciate the irony of his new body. So if he met yet another version of the Crime Syndicate, such as the Suppression Squad of Scourge's world, he would surely mock them for being yet another take on this very failed concept. The Crime Syndicates keep being created just to die, or even worse, be forgotten. And that's precisely what happened to Scourge's world. And Scourge is a character made interesting by his metatextual existence, and by his semi-self aware nature. He and his writer were aware that he was lame (even if Scourge overcompensates rather than admitting his faults), and this would be amplified by showing him that he's not just a ripoff of Sonic's world, but just one of many "evil Justice League" worlds. Scourge is even lamer than he thought. And Scourge is Ultraman, and Darkseid is Alexander Luthor, Jr., who consistently ends up defeating Ultraman in the end. (Of course the very existence of Sonic would throw a wrench into the whole thing that Darkseid wouldn't expect.) Also, Eggman better meet Egg Fu. DC actually has an egg themed supervillain that predates Eggman by decades. And he's literally a big walking Egg. You gotta have Eggman meet him. Or at least have Wonder Woman (Egg Fu's nemesis) make some remark about it. Also there are so many actually good mad scientist characters he should meet, the most prominent being Lex Luthor. But come on. Egg Fu. In 52 Egg Fu was responsible for kidnapping most of the mad scientists in the world and forcing them to make stuff for him. That would be a good excuse to get them all together, then have Eggman fight Egg Fu for leadership. Starline can come too. They shouldn't have killed him off, but instead just had him slink off, so that they could bring him back when they need more mad scientists. >>26079 Yeah, I suppose Silver and J'onn are both psychic, even if one is telekinetic while the other is telepathic. And uh... Hal flies airplanes, and uses creativity with his ring to make stuff. Sure. I buy it. Yeah, I like this better. >Also, am I the only one who feels like "every" crossover between media is the same in execution? Kind of. And it's often on purpose. Comics are incestuous with references. The Sonic Super Special cover there is a reference to the introduction pages (and sometimes covers) of most times the Justice League crossed over with the Justice Society, which was a traditionally two-part event that happened every summer. This includes most of the Crime Syndicate stories I mentioned above. They were always called "Crisis On Earth-One!" or whatever number they were up to at that point. That's why the "last" multiverse story was "Crisis On Infinite Earths." Ken Penders may not have given a fuck about what Karl Bollers or the other writers were doing on Sonic, but he was a comics nerd, and he knew he lore, traditions, and conventions. The Mega Man crossover was excellent, though. I hope this DC crossover can live up to that. I heard people didn't like Worlds Unite, and while I wouldn't say it was as good as Worlds Collide, I still liked it quite a bit. One problem with crossovers is when everyone ends up splitting up anyway, so they all have their own mini stories instead of one big crossover story. Hopefully everyone comes back together before the end of Issue 2.

>>26080 >the real world was destroyed in 1985 my life finally makes sense now Thanks for the effortposting. Although you probably put way more thought into it than the writers did into that story.

>>26086 Ian Flynn used to put that type of effort into his stories. That's why he was so beloved by the fans. But I do think it's been a while since he really cared that much. Plus, the effort he was putting in was to referencing old Ken Penders lore that people didn't even like in the first place, so he was basically polishing a turd. It was impressive, but would have been better if the stories he was referencing were actually good in the first place. But those DC stories are mostly well liked. Crisis on Earth-Two, Crisis on Earth-Three, JLA: Earth 2, Final Crisis. All very well loved. (Infinite Crisis from 2005, and Forever Evil and Darkseid War from 2013-2015 might be a bit more controversial, but I think they're awesome.) I don't know if Flynn is very autistic for DC lore, but I know he loves comics, so I could believe it. And he remembered Krakkl, which was cool. I could see him doing a story that detailed. But of course, this is a crossover between the Justice League and Sonic the Hedgehog. Not only is Sonic not allowed to reference the old comics lore that Flynn was really autistic for, but obviously this series should be accessible to casuals. That's the problem with all the stuff I explained in my previous posts. Final Crisis is awesome, but if you aren't familiar with decades of comics lore, you won't know what the fuck is going on. And even if you are familiar with the lore, it's still difficult. So yeah, this is a comic for ten year olds, as comics should be. And that's fine. Hopefully they still do some cool stuff though. Aside from how Amy isn't allowed to be cool or funny anymore, the first issue was a good start.