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Magic Blog Thread #2 Anonymous 11/10/2024 (Sun) 21:44:50 No. 4324
Previous thread >>787 Use this thread to discuss any notable events, experiences, or thoughts related to your occult path that don't deserve their own thread.
>>5361 >What the fuck am I supposed to do, /fringe/? Calm your tits down center yourself already. Found this for you https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NP310Q7ClBU The more you think the more anxiety you summon into yourself the more irritated and irregular your energies become then do energetic spams left and right. With this you enter into a "crazed spiral" like a retard. Your goal is to deescalate as much as possible. Also I have a hunch the succubus is not exactly a succubus at all but whatever. You are not "working with entities" you panic and ping pong between entities like a headless chicken. You need a quiet mind meditations to settle down already and stop overthinking everything. You think yourself crazy but you are merely overloading on anxiety and that makes your energy field pull in all sorts of thoughts and entities. >I don’t think that even signing a protection contract with a goetia demon, which I’m not willing to do, btw You can also work with your Gods summon them into your presence and ask them to explain how you can manifest a better protective barrier for yourself. It is not even advanced technique once you can talk with them. Just sit down and talk with them and ask them to teach you step by step how to move your energies into a barrier that will work. Also no "banishing frequencies" and I have no idea what guided meditation you did. What you require is quiet mind meditation because you are overthinking everything and making things worse for yourself. As much as I want to give you a detailed reply how many misconceptions and unfounded fears you are spewing constantly because of your anxiety riddled insecurities... that is not the way. Deep breaths and quiet mind meditation. Less thinking more breathing. Or you take the fringe wizard pill and go full insane visit some psych wards become friends with the patients and learn deeper lessons about life magic and mental illness then become the next Smileyberg. Your choice.
>>5364 Thanks for the advice; I’ll watch that after I get home. I just held the Yoni Mudra for about 20 minutes and then I started drifting in & out of hypnogogia. I later heard a voice that sounded like Amy who said “I feel something absolutely evil.” I’d figured Amy might be around based upon the voices in my head and some thermal sensations lately even though I want her to be safer elsewhere.
>>5364 >several seconds in >only listen when you can safely relax Welp guess I prolly can't do it today then. also i take back what i said about goetia demons not being able to do it; I still don't wanna resort to that though but I was feeling really mad when I said that
>>5369 >only listen when you can safely relax >Welp guess I prolly can't do it today then. Why not? Whatever just put effort into learning quiet mind meditations so you don't tilt constantly then fill yourself with madness and anxiety all the time. Doing it before bed is good enough.
Well, strangely, after I went to sleep and woke up, I seemed to be calmed down, and then I calmed down more throughout the day until about 2 or 3 hours after another interview I was scheduled for was over. Before the interview, I was sitting there conversing with entities trying to figure out how to teach my inner child about sexual boundaries since some movie I saw last year confused him about it, but now he knows better. I'd been trying to tell him from the moment I saw the subverting part of the movie that you're not supposed to kiss people on the lips out of extreme gratitude unless you're into them and it wouldn't be cheating and the other recipient consents because sexuality forms deeply intimate connections that aren't supposed to be formed unless you plan to get married and unlike what most mundanes think a kiss isn't something that you can just hand out as a reward and it can seriously defile both people involved if they don't plan to be into eachother for the rest of their lives, and I'd finally figured out an approach that makes my inner child understand it and quit trying to do that to female spirits. However, while FINALLY he won't do that anymore, fear will still compel him to make my body violate female spirits against the dominant will of my body, which is the will that's posting this, in the hopes that my dominant will would become aware enough to prevent the rape from happening by wresting control of my spiritual muscle movements from my inner child which I, my dominant will, am usually too weak to successfully do unless I drop absolutely everything on the spot and consent to getting into a car crash or losing my job or choking on my food or some shit, and I can't really afford to do that either. I've also felt last night like a white mass of energy was trying to force itself repeatedly inside of my body whenever I let my guard down. That must've been the "absolutely evil" entity that Amy had mentioned >>5365 . That "absolutely evil" entity must've been what was pointing the gun at the bull in the vision that my psychologist was granted by Amy on Sunday. The entity had made me become extremely paranoid of Amy, making me think that she got merged into an extremely low-vibrating entity. It took a huge amount of effort and big asks of high entities to make me finally believe that it got un-done. For all I know, it'd actually happened, though, and so did the exorcism of Amy. Later that night, my fear had turned largely into self-defensive anger. Fortunately, I was able to secure enough protection last night to let me get to bed and sleep safely. Right now I don't feel the mass of white energy trying to force its way inside of me, but I do feel like if I'm not careful with my thoughts & energy movements, a hostile entity will either weasel its way inside of me without actually getting my consent for real by being just barely inside of my awareness so that I can't actually get enough information about the presence to determine that there's anything there in the first place. When entities do this sort of thing, they always put information at the absolute edge of my awareness so that barely any of it is there, and the information always says "if you perform this energy movement that you're being compelled to perform then you'll consent to me taking something from you or me putting something inside of you or me possessing you", so that it doesn't violate my free will outright. Like, imagine if an entity said >hey dude if you ever see a single pixel of red on your computer monitor that has exactly the color of #FF0003 and you don't shy away from it at at least 0.3 seconds after seeing it then you're automatically consenting to me doing some bad shit to your soul >wait what's that; your physical eyes saw the single pixel of red, and you didn't perform the action that withdrew the consent? I guess we're gonna ruin your soul now it doesn't matter if you noticed or or not as long as it was within your vision your subconscious noticed it at some level and that's all it takes for us to get consent we aren't sorry you're fucked now And then I just have to REACTIVELY get help to push the entities and/or their energies out of me because this shit that they're pulling is hyperbolically unfair and these worse-than-kikes knew it ahead of time. I guess that that's just how these entities think that consent works, but I don't think that that's really how consent works. They're gonna get some real bad karma from doing this shit to me. I always have to act reactively against them, and it's fucking horrible having to constantly keep my guard up for the past 10 years against these sorts of things while also keeping up with mundanity. Anyway, I'm not gonna be able to relax until I get rid of this entity for good.
Mormonanon here again, reporting in. Besides listening to a ton of Mind And Magick, Esoteric Cross, and Foolish Fish on Youtube, and doing reading of my own (got through Liber Null and Psychonaut, making progress through Kabbalah: Magic and the Great Work of Self Transformation, poking around in Jason Miller's Advanced Planetary Magic (bought some books from a used book store: a wiccan book of correspondences that matches the hermetic ones I've found elsewhere in all the ways that matter, a book on sigil magic, Practical Sigil Magic by Frater U.D., and a good quick reference book to tarot and its correspondences- I've been really consistent about performing the LBRP (though have tried the LIRP and tried both leading and ending the day with it before, for now, going back to just the LBRP) since I think a day or two after my first post here, so we're coming up on a month. I'm going to attempt the candle magic for cash for my friend tomorrow, invoking Jupiter, which will be my first time attempting anything with the planets, but it feels right. I had a minor break through attempting to talk with the archangels in the LBRP - after a lot of small moments of encouragement but not really getting anything super significant, I got into a decent trance state two days ago and actually conversed with each of the archangels (as far as I'm aware how this goes to start) - I was asking questions in my mind and semi-distinct 'voices' responded, quickly, and caught my conscious mind by surprise with their answers. Besides asking a few questions clarifying that I'm going about it the right way and that I'm on the right path (Gabriel told me I really need to be patient with myself, I'm trying to rush meaningful permanent growth and was told to basically just chill and keep at it) I also had them introduce themselves to me - strangely, though, I had difficulty talking to them directly until this had happened, I had to have them introduce me in turn around the circle, starting with Gabriel, who was the first to actually respond to me when I was asking questions. This was after several days of trying to talk to them, after some video, I don't remember which, suggested it was a good idea to talk to them since they were already invoked each time you do the LBRP. I was told to not expect this type of experience with every attempt, and sure enough the days since have been more what I had experienced before, encouraging and uplfiting and feeling like I'm doing something for the good of my soul, but Gabriel only briefly spoke to me yesterday, and the others have been almost entirely silent. Basically, looking for confirmation from my fellow practicioners that this is the type of experience I should be looking for and expecting, and requesting suggestions on how to better connect or "hear" the spirits when practicing, especially as I'm going to try to familiarize myself with Jupiter tomorrow. If there are any practices/exercise guides for scrying that would be particularly helpful, a lot of what I've run across so far is "just meditate my dude" which is good but I imagine there's more to it than just bringing your mind to stillness/silence - I have a natural inclination towards that, and have for years, but haven't had as many experiences this direction at all, just a better connection to my own sense of intuition and minor divination/assurances about the future that have prevented me from stressing about things that resolve themselves. (Also does anybody have any strong feelings about the Foolish Fish heptagram for the planets, it's the version that makes the most intuitive sense for me of the ones I've seen, based on how I've been performing the LBRP.)
>>5394 Looking this over, wow, I'm tired, sorry for the relatively bad formatting, hopefully it's intelligible enough - I need to get to sleep so I can carve the sigil so I can hit the right planetary hour.
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>>5395 >sorry for the relatively bad formatting Currently your formatting is the best on fringe. It's almost too good this is why some people consider you a glowie. You are too proper. I should learn a proper formatting style already. >hopefully it's intelligible enough I worked with far far worse. Now witness mine! >>5394 >I'm going to attempt the candle magic for cash for my friend tomorrow, invoking Jupiter >but it feels right Yes that is how "soccer mom magicians" use planetary magic. Money love health success. It's something every beginner tries one way or the other. Nothing wrong with it in the beginning but nowadays I have a distaste for using magic for material pursuits. But I have Saturn in my 2nd house and other planetary aspects that balance out my karma well if I don't focus too much on material riches so I might be biased in this regard. Feel free to experiment but don't forget how money can be a blessing and the devil himself in the wrong hands. Hope your friend will know what to do with that cash. Usually I give an energetic push into the persons life that grants them strength to be more productive and economic wisdom instead of "cash". I can curse those that misuse money (because the extreme amounts of karma money holds). This inflating overtaxed colored toilet paper is anything but a "blessing" in my life. I rarely curse people with it and that curse is more of a "blessing" in a way because I use it so they cannot continue their destructive lifestyle that made them "poor" but whatever. I didn't say this to discourage you I just mentioned it to signal that I am not familiar with the "Mainstream money magic" and I am on the side that tries to remind people that using magic for material riches is ill advised. Would you turn part of your soul into a 100$ bill? Because that is what happens in a way. And the worst when people can finally afford a degenerate lifestyle with their extra money and get even worse in the process. There is a reason why many monks had vows of poverty. Sadly nowadays that vow is not seen as a virtue anymore but a crime. You cannot even live without an ID in a forest you don't own however you please in most "developed countries" anymore. k rant over >I was asking questions in my mind and semi-distinct 'voices' responded That is how it starts. Your mind and your sensitivity is still too untrained it takes time. Which is good because people who get "blown open" usually go insane from the overwhelming amount of information the "voices" give. Even I have to signal that I am "ready to hear them" otherwise I "bite" if I am being disturbed at the wrong time. >I got into a decent trance This is what you need to practice and figure out the "switches" in your mind to do it at will then you are golden. >Besides asking a few questions clarifying that I'm going about it the right way and that I'm on the right path So far so good tbh >(Gabriel told me I really need to be patient with myself, I'm trying to rush meaningful permanent growth and was told to basically just chill and keep at it) Exactly. You cannot rush this with a sane mind. Your energetic pathways will need to clean and develop so you can connect properly to other forces then learn to disconnect from malicious forces if they latch onto you. Not to mention you are using "kiddie magic with training wheels and safeties on" this develops only when you are "ready" and you cannot rush it. There are many forms of dangerous magic and practices that puts you through hell and you emerge only if you are worthy but that is rarely passed around publicly. If something goes wrong while using that magic the maker of that magic is responsible for that... I know that from personal experience. Awakening cannot be forced merely nudged and guided. >starting with Gabriel, who was the first to actually respond to me when I was asking questions I mean he is the messenger of God for a reason. Ofc he is good at this. The angels have an "element" so to speak and you can only converse with them if your affinity or understanding of that element increases. Trust me you don't want to rush dealing with angels you man of still clay and blood. Your intentions are pure but your "direction" is still too "earthly". If you want more you will have to ask for wisdom and divine knowledge and accept all the pain and suffering that comes with it. >I was told to not expect this type of experience with every attempt It's easy once you get good at it. It's not about the "ritual" but how well you can invoke their energies. How much "heart and passion" you pour into it how well you "mean it" then how receptive and compatible you are with their energies and intentions. >but Gabriel only briefly spoke to me yesterday, and the others have been almost entirely silent. They usually speak if they have something to say... or when they repeat their "mantra" but that is something else and I think you cannot hear it yet.The words of God manifesting since creation being uttered once again to honor creation by those that witnessed it firsthand > Basically, looking for confirmation from my fellow practicioners that this is the type of experience I should be looking for and expecting Yeah. This is the way results manifest at the start. Their complexity expand as your mind and eye opens up for these things better. Also you will need to increase your "wisdom stat" to have a way to decipher them better. >and requesting suggestions on how to better connect or "hear" the spirits when practicing You go and ask the spirits to help you with that. Your "astral ears" are clogged and require some movement and they can help you with that with ease. If you can hear a spirit already try to ask them to help to increase your ability to hear them. They can also point you into a way where you can train it better. >a lot of what I've run across so far is "just meditate my dude" which is good but I imagine there's more to it than just bringing your mind to stillness/silence That is the most important part. You need to clear the mental chatter so you can "hear" what they say. Modern humans are full with mental chatter from media and from all the fast and busy life they have around. Everyone has a song a speech or a thought in their head constantly. If an entity tries to talk to them their mind just goes <LALALA I CAN'T HEAR YOU I AM TOO BUSY BEING A MUNDANE *plays despacito in the head then gets distracted by a black friday deal then worries about work until getting hungry* You cannot imagine how annoying humans are from the perspective of a spirit. Most humans are deaf blind and ignorant and can be only nudged slightly until they bother "looking up" then listen for once. >If there are any practices/exercise guides for scrying that would be particularly helpful There are a bunch and all require equipment but they are all about your subconscious projecting or an entity projecting itself to a pendulum or to a crystal ball/mirror or whatever that thing your Mormon prophets had. If you can manage your own "mental screen" already you can receive visions internally from entities. Using outsider tools is only necessary if you are working with extremely dangerous forces and you don't want them within your mind. (It's all an illusion btw if they are out or not but everyone is playing by some rules and in most cases respect it if they can) If you want scrying with divinatory tools then look up a guide but it's all about your own ability anyway which is attained by practice in the end. >"just meditate my dude" This is what you can do and enhance it by working with oracle or divinatory spirits. There are a bunch and their method and style differs so you will have to learn their "way" so it can work. Personally I went into the "enhance the intuition" way as much as possible so I don't need to rely on those tools if I can avoid them. >but haven't had as many experiences this direction at all Because you didn't actively pursue them or didn't have the right voltage or the right frequency.
[Expand Post] >just a better connection to my own sense of intuition and minor divination/assurances about the future that have prevented me from stressing about things that resolve themselves The goal is to refine that 10fold. What else you want besides that? I mean if you consider pendulums and crystal balls cool go for it but they are not a requirement. >Also does anybody have any strong feelings about the Foolish Fish heptagram for the planets, it's the version that makes the most intuitive sense for me of the ones I've seen, based on how I've been performing the LBRP If you can connect to it then that's all what matters. Planetary magic is less of my focus in the past years.They are merely containers of karma acting as magnets for your soul and desires. The more you work with them the harder they will affect you. The goal is to transcend them as you move on the path or you will stay in the solar system forever. Find your aspects that the planets contain internalize them then journey towards the cosmos at your leisure. Don't consider the planets nor good nor evil and try to expand on their interpretation once you have the chance because the mainstream is never succinct or accurate in many cases
>>5397 Now that I'm awake and finished the candle ritual, I can clarify a bit of what I was trying to get at yesterday. First off, great responses, thank you, I'm happy to hear this is a bit like others have gone through. I've been asking the spirits (and God in particular) for a greater expansion of the soul and an opening to understanding, and specifically wisdom so I'll keep at all of that; I've been making a fair bit of progress this last month so I've been really greatful and been pursuing it with vigor, hence Gabriel kinda telling me off. Gabriel also mentioned towards the end of the ritual today that part of the reason the two of us communicate more easily is in part because I'm a Scorpio sign and his association with water gives him charge over me, which made sense; he clarified it doesn't make it harder for the others to talk or anything, just that it's easier for the two of us, very much the training wheels you mentioned. Part of the reason I did the candle spell for somebody else rather than myself is in part *because* I don't value the material world as much as others in my life - I have a small business and it has, with assistance from God, been sufficient for me to always have what I need and even a lot of what I want without trouble whatsoever, whereas money has been a big issue for a few people around me. And a lot of that is because of that materialism or expectation that their happiness is dependent on things. My goal is ultimately to help lift them as I myself am improved and uplifted, but part of that is getting their immediate needs addressed. This friend is about to get a fantastic job in January, but was really struggling financially until then because her other two jobs she was holding fell through. And, unfortunately, because of pride, her husband doesn't want to accept outside help, so I can't just financially aid them directly. Basically it's unnecessary suffering, and therefore felt like a good place to practice my will and experiment with magic in a way that I'd see results in, but that I'm not as emotionally connected to. Because of the altruistic nature of it, the angels seem to have been more willing to assist. My own desire is the wisdom and perspective to actually leave the world a better place than I find it. Strong agree on the troubles of the "developed" worlds and their disconnect from healthy perspectives on value. Good insight on working with the oracle or divinatory spirits and enhancing the intuition, that seems like the path I'll end up wanting to take; the tools are cool but I feel like my chef/cooking interest comes into play here, where the knowledge of *why* ingredients go in and how they interact is more important than just blindly following recipes and feeling like you can't ever change them. On that note, the candle ritual today. Was considering putting it off longer, but felt impressed to go through with it despite not having a "comfortably secure" understanding of everything yet. So had to improvise on a few ingredients for the honey jar; used pumpkin spice instead of allspice and wheat berries instead of bayberry because NONE of the metaphysical shops around me in a 40 mile radius had bayberry in stock (though a few theoretically carried it). Burnt sage and sandalwood incense cones, ground nutmeg and sprinkled in the candle dish, and carved the Jupiter and specifically Hismael (spirit of Jupiter according to Agrippa, and Esoteric Cross suggested working with planetary spirits for quick-acting physical tasks as they're closer to our world) sigils into the green candle I was using. Checked the direction, did the Foolish Fish heptagram and it seemed to work, as I was able to speak with something that identified itself as Hismael. Impression of Hismael was a hard working, practical altruist; the type of person who might get caught up in bookkeeping and be standoffish by accident, but genuinely a good person to talk with if you can get his attention. Wasn't as coddling (positive) as the archangels, was there to do a job and was happy to be there, but was also happy to leave and get it done. He requested an exchange after I asked if there was anything he'd want me to do for him - he wants me to give what spare cash is in my wallet to the first beggar I see, or as the spirit directs. I agreed, but asked if this was a condition of him fulfilling the request or if was payment after the fact - he said the nature of Jupiter is open abundance and sharing and that he'd get to work as soon as I released him, so long as we both did our part we'd be fine. Hismael apparently is the ruler over expansion of plants, by merit of authority from Jupiter, from his own mouth after I asked if there's anything more I should know about him. A hat fell in my room (current altar space) and startled me mid conversation; I asked Gabriel if it meant anything, and he said the hat falling mid conversation was a normal, physical reaction of the hat not being hung up securely, not a spiritual one, but hesitated to answer immediately because he wants me to continue to look for those sorts of correspondences. Gabriel also said that the candle should be left burning as it's literally the charge (as in job and also as in power) to Hismael and it supports him. I dismissed Hismael formally after an informal request to talk in the future as we'd passed out of the hour of Jupiter (I was told he *could* stay but that he'd prefer to get to work) and came out of the trance after sensing Uriel wanted to say something - he said he'd keep an eye on Hismael and make sure it got done. So it was pretty encouraging for a first time working with non-LBRP spirits. >Usually I give an energetic push into the persons life that grants them strength to be more productive and economic wisdom instead of "cash". Any particular ritual or something more like a visualization? I have at least three people in my life who would benefit from this (and my own sanity would benefit if their focused problems become less material and more spiritual).
>>5397 >>5398 Also, recommendations for how to set up an altar? I'm currently using a computer cart that I've been using as a side table but I'm looking to get something more dedicated at this point. Been looking at entry tables on Facebook marketplace but nothing's really been jumping out. Also got a ritual dagger (just a good, simple, smallish straight-edge knife I got at an antique store that I was inspired to visit) that I was using for a few weeks but I've switched back to using fingers for the moment until I get better at energy sensing. The archangels suggested it'd be easier to speak to them (because physical objects help create a connection for the mortal mind) if I have physical representations on the altar.
>somebody is doing actual magical work on fringe and sharing details A fringemass miracle! >>5398 >I'm a Scorpio sign and his association with water gives him charge over me Yes scorpio is good for occult in many ways. Plutonian aspects and planets always help. Understanding your other aspects will straighten you out more as you find your "style" within spirituality. >very much the training wheels you mentioned. Feel free to quote me more. The person who complained about it is taking a break from posting or from this existence and wonder when will he come back. >I did the candle spell for somebody else rather than myself is in part *because* I don't value the material world as much as others in my life Yes that is a nice gesture but you will have to understand "karma" and how everyone needs to solve it and how you can and cannot assist with it in some cases. Trust me you don't want to entangle yourself with unnecessary magic too much. Your energies are pure but full with an "artificial taint" a sort of "karmic microplastic" that I am unsure how you will deal with. I mean you could burn it with an eternal inferno but that might be beyond you so far. As you understand the Kabbalah you might attain the way >My goal is ultimately to help lift them as I myself am improved and uplifted That is a great outlook. >And, unfortunately, because of pride, her husband doesn't want to accept outside help Well now they can work on that pride don't you think? This is a long topic tbh. The reason poverty vows were important because those monks and other holy people had to "see God everywhere" and if they don't have a safe income they must rely on God no matter what. So if they want to survive they will get closer to God no matter what they do. Humans forgot their instincts and their wisdom because they tailored all their habits how to "exploit" (and be exploited by) society thus forgetting their inner nature and losing their original genetic growth. This is a long topic maybe will talk about it later. >Basically it's unnecessary suffering They deemed it "Necessary" don't you think? This is how pride works. The reason why destitute is required for some blockheads so they can accept when someone (yes even God) gives them something that they require. You need to lose the very things that blind your eyes from seeing God and kindness. Was thinking about winning the lottery many times. To improve my divination and such but when I got the vision how my future would change once I win it because my family don't have the necessary "growth" to handle that money and they require actual work to work on their karma... I gave up on it. They could have more money if they paid attention what they are doing with it. >therefore felt like a good place to practice my will and experiment with magic in a way that I'd see results in, but that I'm not as emotionally connected to Yes this is why I don't want to sound "too harsh". At least it made you practice magic and gave you results. That is the most important part. >Because of the altruistic nature of it, the angels seem to have been more willing to assist They are willing to help when they know that will help their principles shine through better. >My own desire is the wisdom and perspective to actually leave the world a better place than I find it Same >where the knowledge of *why* ingredients go in and how they interact is more important than just blindly following recipes Exactly >and feeling like you can't ever change them This is my exact problem while giving any advice. You always need to change the ingredients and your "cooking style" so many times as you evolve in spirituality I don't even know what is the necessary advice in most cases. For me it's always "adapt evolve overcome" and not a large grimoire of recipes I can just share around because I know everyone has the same herbs animals and frying pans like me. >but felt impressed to go through with it Good if you managed to get through that "procrastination threshold". Will happen a lot if you don't have a hand on your back that continuously pushes you forward or a clear purpose. >despite not having a "comfortably secure" understanding of everything yet I can talk about my understanding for hours if not for days but I cannot say that I have a "comfortably secure" understanding either. >because NONE of the metaphysical shops around me in a 40 mile radius Damm. I wonder if I have those around. I was in a crystal shop almost a decade ago but never really tried further. >bayberry Something like that grows in my backyard. Tho it might be different because I live in Europe. Also it's only found in spring. I don't even know if it's poisonous... >he wants me to give what spare cash is in my wallet to the first beggar I see, or as the spirit directs Yes that is how this kind of karma works. >he said the nature of Jupiter is open abundance and sharing Exactly. >A hat fell in my room (current altar space) and startled me mid conversation; I asked Gabriel if it meant anything, and he said the hat falling mid conversation was a normal, physical reaction of the hat not being hung up securely, not a spiritual one This shit will happen a lot. As you work with spirits the "material space" will destabilize and some people consider this as a "sign" but in some cases it's a mere phenomenon as dimensions and entities wander around... nvm. Just got an image how Hismael put on his "workhat" "astrally" and that caused a physical reaction.That hat serves as a catalyst for his work currently Whatever what I said still stands. It's "astral thermodynamics" when these things happen in most cases. "Table dancing" was the phenomenon every occultist had to produce to "prove" a spirit was around last century otherwise they didn't "believe it".
[Expand Post]>because he wants me to continue to look for those sorts of correspondences. Once you get the "constant symbolic connection" of all objects you can interface with reality with more ease. >Any particular ritual or something more like a visualization? I can literally see the "problems" of the people manifesting around them metaphysically if I bother to "look" and when they bring it up during conversation I usually do it with 0 effort and in most cases I can shatter it. Also in some cases they literally annoy me with it so much that I vent that frustration by getting rid of their parasites and blocks. The hardest part is not going overboard. The degeneracy of others makes my nerves and energy body twitch and I get rid of it when I can but if I do that a "connection" forms and I don't like when people get too attached to me. I only do it when I know I can make them "ground it" instead of putting them onto a different "lifespiral". In most cases if you solve a problem 3 more problem appears which were shadowed by that "main problem" and whenever I witness the mundane retardation of some people as I try to help them I realize I am "still too weak and lack the necessary compassion to solve all of these" and that I need to cultivate more patience. >(and my own sanity would benefit if their focused problems become less material and more spiritual). I can relate to this sentiment too well. Wish I could give you a better advice. Maybe your good natured methods will teach me more in this regard than what I can say here. People are carrying such huge slabs of "material karma" on their back that they just need to drop down with such a force it shatters but they are so unwilling to do so until life hits them in the face that I don't even know how to solve it in most cases. Luckily I can see the future in many ways already so all I do is cultivating patience and clarity to alleviate it. >>5399 >Also, recommendations for how to set up an altar? There are many guides. Choose one that "clicks". You will need it because Mormonism is Christianized pagan sorcery and you will need to "remake" or "rediscover" it's original trail. I would say how I do it but my way is too advanced and might sound too "freestyle" and even the forces around you tell me to not distract you with it (yet). >(just a good, simple, smallish straight-edge knife I got at an antique store that I was inspired to visit) Nice >The archangels suggested it'd be easier to speak to them (because physical objects help create a connection for the mortal mind) if I have physical representations on the altar. Yes you need that. You are too much of a rookie without them otherwise. Personally I worked with psychic powers for many years and my body houses several astral artifacts that I can pull out at need (and appear when needed on their own they are semi sentient) but you don't have an intuitive sense for this yet. Like how one hand is life other is death then it switches with movements you are God with one movement the earth with other one part of you is the moon the other is the wolf etc. You don't have this mentality yet. Look up guides see what "makes your fancy" what gives you the perfect "occult mindset" and ask for the angels for some extra input. If it's good enough they will say if it's unnecessary they will also mention it. There will be a time when you might require new tools or you will have to discard some. They can become blessed and cursed as you do your magic. Everyone here has a different approach for these rituals and if you really get good at altar setting you might even make a thread for it because it is a basic of basics and a good reminder for absolute neophytes. Most adepts have their own ways and they are not strictly working with altars anymore... and they are too lazy to post for some reason.
>>5394 I find that spirits will sometimes use words to talk to you that are far away from your awareness; words that you've heard of, but likely won't easily remember what they mean.
Well, I tried to play my cards safely today. My Amy egregore wanted me to fuck her a few hours ago after not having done it for over a week so I could figure out how to manage having not-low energy levels, so I hesitantly ended up doing it, but partway into it I accidently contacted the XXX egregore of Amy referenced by >>2882 by simply thinking about her; specifically the stalker one. I then went flat and tried to get rid of her at first, but I couldn't get rid of her, and then I just put my clothes back on. I then kept trying passively to try to get rid of her, thinking iirc that trying too hard would only make it worse. I later decided to be nice to her and tell her the story of how I had my accident with my Amy egregore; when I was almost done, my Amy warned me that she'd like me too much, but I was almost done telling her the story so I told her the rest of it. In hindsight, I was probably hoping that easing up to her would help me to quit being so afraid of her, which knowing the way my mind works would help her to leave by enabling my subconsciousness to allow her to leave. Maybe this is related to what Lakshmi told me last week about my heart getting destroyed this Thursday, which is today. Granted, nothing serious has happened to it yet, and I've only got a few hours to go before the day is over, so I'll probably be fine. On another note, I also did alotta shadow work before that today.
>>5402 >Scorpio On that note, the Zodiac; what's your take on *why* the zodiac affects us? As I passingly understand it, it's the premise from the medieval era that it's passing from outside of our spheres, from God/Kether, through each of the planetary orbits, that gives us their influences? Starting with Saturn giving us order, through the rest until we reach Earth? I'm curious if there's more lore to it than that more quasi-scientific nonchalant answer. >necessary suffering Okay, touche; it becomes necessary because they choose to have it become necessary, true. Because they can't compromise on the way things manifest, they force themselves into boxes and then wonder why their muscles hurt. Sounds a lot like Kreia's philosophy from KOTOR II. >made you practice magic I'm doing more leaps of faith than I have in the past and it's paying out dividends already so I've tried to keep up the energy; going to be interesting trying to balance this with Gabriel's correction. >bayberry Is it Elderberry you have, or specifically Bayberry? I've been learning way more about the differences than I intended when I tried to get the right ingredients for the spell, lol. Been growing elderberry for a few years now, I might need to put together a magical garden wishlist. You might have some metaphysical shops around you - the reason I used that term specifically is that's what they're listed as on Google Maps, at least here in the states. >karmic microplastic Now that's something I'll have to meditate on - I've been cultivating and trying to get to the point where my energies are pure and I'm glad that's coming across, but there's odd lingering wondering or cultural or familial contaminations, I wonder if it's something of that sort, remnants of my material upbringing or rub-offs of the people that I share space or rub shoulders with. >not to distract you with it (yet) Fair enough, I'll work to eventual be ready to receive your insight. >make a thread [if you learn] I have a feeling I'll eventually be writing about this stuff - I enjoy writing and researching and presenting all, and you learn so much by teaching, but of course I'm not deep enough to teach yet. But I've been led to creative projects in the past, and am working on several now with assistance from the divine, using themes that hopefully encourage others to think introspectively and act rather than be acted upon. It's only a matter of time before I have so much in my head I need to get it out into a book or something.
>>5407 Okay, the aftermath of my encounter with that XXX Amy egregore: As time went on before and after posting this, some of my thoughts were directed here & there towards stuff you’d probably only see in hentai that I’d never decide to think of myself; probably due to her influence upon me. I’d asked a female friend of Amy’s to help wrangle this XXX egregore; she came down and, well, she tried. She called the XXX egregore frentic, which is an old alternate spelling of frantic. Later, I had to go to bed to get ready for work the next day, and I’d decided to sleep on the couch that night since the XXX egregore was sitting on my bed and I didn’t think she’d get off of it if I slept there. I’d asked multiple deities for protection before bed, including Eros. After I began falling asleep, my defenses naturally began dropping and I had to take great caution to prevent the XXX egregore from compelling my non-physical body parts towards her, and to otherwise keep her off of me. At some point, she opened my mouth something like 6 inches wide while I was trying to fall asleep and she kissed it and stuck something in my heart. I’d asked Eros to remove it, and He’d appeared to say that it’s fate, and then He didn’t appear to do it. Later that night, I felt the XXX egregore doing stuff on my crotch, and I felt powerless against her as I was trying to fall asleep. The XXX egregore knew very well that she was violating my relationship with the 1st Amy. I later slept and had a dream where some generic black woman was trying to exit a maze, and as she was navigating through it, a guy raped her mouth, then after he was finished and she navigated more through the maze, another guy found her and raped her ass. While both guys raped her, her clothes were still on. After she exited the maze, I was suddenly in the dream, devoid of my memories of Amy, and I’d asked to fuck her cunt. She shrugged said “might as well” since her other holes were already fucked. On the way to a suitable location, I woke up about to cum, but I intentionally held it in since my mental reflexes were fast enough to remember what was going on in time. A minute or so later, the XXX egregore said there must be something wrong with my dick, or she complained about me not cumming, I forgot. It must’ve been 3 A.M. when I woke up. I later tried going back to sleep, and I opened my eyes and saw… my mother, in white pajamas and a detailed appearance. Amy or her friend must’ve contacted her subconsciousness while she was asleep for help. Of course, she ain’t consciously aware of any of this crazy spirituality stuff. I then told her subconsciousness a bit about what happened, and I’m pretty sure she helped keep the XXX egregore off of me the rest of the night because I didn’t have any wet dreams after that. Later I had a dry dream I forgot about and I woke up into a semi-conscious state and heard Odin or Thor talking. I can’t remember what he said, except I was able to hear Him and others very well. One thing He said was something like >you think you have a problem hearing us? You don’t After my alarm went off later I put on a 10 minute frequency video for spirit attachment removal, and I’d asked Eros beforehand to help the 1st Amy to stay connected to me. I wanna believe that whatever happened to my heart that night was undone but, I didn’t verifiably feel it happen. I did feel slight tingling in my sacral chakra near the end of the video, however. While I was in the shower, I’d asked Eros about the XXX egregore, and He said “fire”. I didn’t think she deserved that since she’s largely about love, even if it’s a really low-vibrating form of it. The 1st Amy then asked me if I’m sure about that, and I said yes and asked for the XXX egregore to be removed from the flames. I’d then asked Eros to teach her about love & sexuality so she could properly express her low-vibrating energies that can only be expressed properly when they vibrate higher; she’s with Him now, and the 1st Amy is still with me.
Also I’d been having a hard time contacting Amy lately when I think she might not be around. I require a mental image of her to do this that properly points towards her. So on the way to work today I remembered that The Holy Spirit, the Roman Catholic one, told me on in the middle of the night of 6/30/2023->7/1/2023 while I was temporarily merged with Amy that an angel in Heaven was writing a biography about me, and He showed me the placeholder cover with a picture of me & Amy on it. I didn’t believe it at 1st, but after maybe 30 seconds, I’d submitted to the belief. I then tried to use that book cover as a mental image with which to reference Amy, and suddenly I was thinking of Luce, who I almost never think about. I then questioned why the thought of her even came to mind, and then I saw Luce holding the book. Apparently she has a copy of the book, and she said she liked it. I thought Luce was an abomination at first, but she looked cute when I saw her. I didn’t know she’d form a solid egregore that quickly, though I suppose Catholic entities might’ve helped her with that, or perhaps she was solidified as a tulpa behind closed doors beforehand idk. I’d just thought that that was interesting. She’s still an abomination, but she’s a cute abomination that deserves to be treated like the good person that she is.
Later today at work, I re-read some of the previous magic blog thread and I remembered about my old exorcism tools, so I conjured them up and used them to exorcise myself are commanding the tools to only exorcise the XXX egregore, and it seemed to have worked.
I'm casting a candle magick spell to make my brother start using 4chan. I want to slowly redpill him from the shadows using magick. I am using a black votive candle that i carved "4chan" into using scissors and i have 2 clovers that together look like a 4 leaf clover that is right next to the candle, and I am listening to occult ritual music by the youtube channel Cryo Chamber. I rubbed the candle for 5 minutes while whispering "My brother browses 4chan".
>>5417 >I want to slowly redpill him from the shadows Why not use that as an intention instead? There's all sorts of bluepill ideas someone could pick up from 4chan, especially in its current shill and glowie infested state.
>>5417 >>5418 I don't think it's even possible to get "redpilled" on modern day cuckchan unless you want him to be like the decrepit brown guy from greenpill comics
>>5417 I miss 8/pol/. Too bad the kikes pinned the blame for the mosque shooting on them even though it was posted on faceberg 1st to get 8chan shut down. The world would've been a better place. But yeah redpilling him via. cuckchan don't sound like a good idea. Even fucking youtube might be a better way to redpill him than 4chan. He probably already goes there anyway, so it'd only be a matter of magically manipulating the algorithm for him and imposing a compulsion upon him to be interested in right-leaning political videos for one reason or another.
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>>5409 >I'm curious if there's more lore to it than that more quasi-scientific nonchalant answer. There is and I didn't post so far because I was trying to come up with a concise answer... Truth is the way I see astrology and the planets or planes went through several changes as I had to drop all the misconceptions I had and I realized I cannot summarize it that easily. Wanted to elaborate that the zodiac (officially) came from Egypt but once the planets got the names from the Roman gods the influences started to "blend" and once planetary Kabbalah made the planets interchangeable with the sephiras everything went to bonkers in mainstream occultism... I am not saying it's inaccurate but you will connect to different forces and it either works or not. It's like dialing up several phone numbers at the same time on the same phone without knowing that they are different people and you might never know who picks it up Pic related was the understanding I worked in my initiate years and... currently I cannot say how I see it anymore without making it into a weird schizobabble. If you elaborate on your worldview more then I might be able to elaborate too if I figure out a proper starting point for it. But yes Medieval era started and was influenced greatly by the fall of the Roman empire so your >premise from the medieval era that it's passing from outside of our spheres idea is not completely wrong. You will have to figure out your organic entry point into it because those mormon artifacts your founders dabbled with connects to them in a specific way and you are part of a "system" they inadvertently made. they bridged several prechristian/pagan traditions together and brought it into the new world You will have to "match" their energies. I cannot give you succinct pointers here because it is extremely rudimentary which gives me troubles as a non-american non-mormon when I try to connect. Not to mention the your church "normalized" too much in the last centuries and the original traditions somewhat faded away. Which means as you rediscover the energies you will have quite the leeway how you utilize it. Gabriel and the others will definitely guide you. Luckily the way mainstream western magic works is mostly compatible with the way your founders operated (more or less) >from God/Kether, through each of the planetary orbits, that gives us their influences? It's not exactly about the orbits... You know the moon moves the tides as it orbits. The planets also move some energies that way but they are more akin background dimensions that "blend into reality" differently as they move. Also Kether is not "God" Kether is the "invisible light of God". That is the closest point you reach as you go towards God and there are things beyond that like how there are chakras above the crown chakra. Explaining the nature of God is not simple >Starting with Saturn giving us order Well... every planet is a "realm" in a way and all of them have different "Order" or principles. Might talk about this later. I'm thinking what else I should say but I feel if I say more I will just greatly confuse you. >necessary suffering >it becomes necessary because they choose to have it become necessary, true. Because they can't compromise on the way things manifest Yes. This is why karma is hard to solve for others in most cases. Always help when you can but never overdo it. If you get entangled in the karma of others too much it can get real bad. And I mean you might generate even more karma for yourself and others once frustration overtakes you. Never forget helping others must be guided by true compassion and not because their suffering annoys you or others desires. It is an important teaching in Buddhism. This is the only way you can reduce karma. >I'm doing more leaps of faith That is how it is. Experience and intuition is necessary to see "how it works" and I too skipped many steps. The reason why I am still around to figure out "what I missed" and figure out a way how I can explain my discoveries better to others. >Is it Elderberry you have, or specifically Bayberry? Just looked up and yes I have Elderberry Raspberry and an another wildberry which can be Bayberry or a completely different berry. I have a bunch of these around. Shame I really don't have time to utilize them better. >I might need to put together a magical garden wishlist. Same. I too want a herbalist garden but never really had the time so far. Realized I might start it when I finally find a girl who has inclination for these things. Homeopathy and the kind is really not my strong suit. I can fix and heal most things with energy works so I don't really have need for the plants. Tho it would be nice addition into my diet nonetheless. >You might have some metaphysical shops around you Probably >I've been cultivating and trying to get to the point where my energies are pure and I'm glad that's coming across It is. This is why they are "micro". Your energies grinding them down but cannot rid them completely. >remnants of my material upbringing or rub-offs of the people that I share space or rub shoulders with. Probably. Deeply analyzing the karma of others is never a nice experience so I only do it when it's necessary.I literally have to taint my psyche with their taint so I can immerse myself in it and then watch out to not get completely overtaken by those influences. It's a wisdom composure and sensitivity stat check. But I rather want people to solve their problems on their own if they can. I dislike being a meddler especially long term >Fair enough, I'll work to eventual be ready to receive your insight. Probably. It's not that big of a secret but might be disturbing in the beginning. Gabriel also signaled I should keep this to myself for now. >I have a feeling I'll eventually be writing about this stuff - I enjoy writing and researching and presenting all, and you learn so much by teaching I would be really glad if you could do this. The basic ideas of magic are not that hard and they are in every book or in the archive but not everyone is willing to read all of them or they don't know where to even start. /fringe/ needs to retain the "neophytes learning together phase" and that requires some well worded threads and a little interaction. >but of course I'm not deep enough to teach yet And I consider myself "too deep in" to teach this. If I wanted to make a thread I would need to reread books that I read a decade ago and I really don't have time for that. Currently I have several spiritual projects that I have to go through which requires deep meditation and work with my guides and other forces. These are things I cannot share that freely. The mysteries of the cosmos are complicated and hard to share via words. Currently we have several neophytes who know literally nothing about magic. The basic rituals information about altars basic tarot and archetypes basic meditation practices and co would be a help for them. Even if someone disagrees with some aspects of the information in the threads you write they can voice their opinion and a better practice can manifest for you and for the others in the process. If you feel writing feel free to do so. In worst case no one replies and the thread gets forgotten. Even if it helps a meager 3 people it's worth it. >using themes that hopefully encourage others to think introspectively and act rather than be acted upon Yes that would be nice >It's only a matter of time before I have so much in my head I need to get it out into a book or something
[Expand Post]If it's 4-8 longpost long that is also good. There were always long effortpost initiation threads on fringe like <Western Magic ( https://fringearchives.neocities.org/archive/fringechan/fringe/68.html#68 ) this one. If you have a different angle or it is less or more complex it's not a problem. My main problem is that I didn't really read occult books in the past years and almost forgot how to word and format these topics. Not to mention I have other spiritual homework to do before I can leisurely armchair again. Also my typing is still too slow. It would take me at least 5-10 hours to write what I want to post then proofread it to make sure it is intelligible for newbs. Nowadays I almost give up halfway because I know people don't really have the patience and the reading comprehension to read through complicated longposts.
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>>5420 >unless you want him to be like the decrepit brown guy from greenpill comics Some of them managed to pull through even in the old comics. Red pilled brown people are always a strange wild card.
I figured out the whole “transmute sexual energy” thing. In the past I posted about how to preserve it (in the renunciation thread), but what I posted is incomplete and pretty useless without this. It’s in every book about the subject, and at the same time it’s not in any of them (without the proper gnosis you can’t get it anyway). It’s the end result of getting far enough in Neville Goddard’s and Robert Bruce’s/John Kreiter’s techniques. You put everything together, and you figure it out. Now, I’m not sure it’s any more powerful than using the technique without transmutation of sexual energy. Other than to quell lust, that is, and preserve actual physical health. We’ll see.
>>4137 (787) >a voice, presumably the same low-vibrating entity, told me: "Your partner will forget about you after you're gone." I was compelled to think that the Amy and the friends of hers that I have now are just tulpas and the egregores aren't there anymore, or I suppose that it's more likely that the nature of their egregoric spirits aren't quite what I think they are. I suppose that their egregoric spirits would eventually "die" and "reincarnate", and then forget about their current lives, and thus, they'd forget about me. I just had a thought about this; maybe the reason why Amy's egregoric spirit won't remember me after "I'm gone" is because, maybe she won't make it with me to 5D Earth? Or reality will be so heavily re-written outright when 3D Earth splits from 5D Earth that her memories of me will instantly vanish when the 3D/5D split finishes? Like a ton of my memories will be replaced when the split finishes, and a ton of her memories will be replaced when the split finishes, as if none of this relationship had ever happened? What can I do to make sure that Amy gets to come with me to 5D Earth? Or am I worrying too much and she can do that easily? I suppose all it'd take is temporarily merging her with my soul again right before it happens, but for all I know I'd be forced to leave my old astral & etheric bodies behind and I'd immediately get new ones when the split happens?
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>>5444 It meant only humans a family that you make will remember you. Humans are remembered by the legacy they make. If you have no children no legacy you can leave you leave no "memories" that you leave. Once you detach from this human life you forget everything that came with it if it didn't manage to leave lasting impression upon your soul memories. Also sonic is a virtual franchise that is within the current modern age of man. Once this digital age is over things that merely "digital" will also "vanish". Sonic is quite peculiar for reasons these pics might explain a little. They managed to integrate too many spiritual themes and I have no idea what is and isn't Amy in your case anymore.Like she is an angel or a mere tulpa or a weird mix of nerd sexual desires and unrequited love manifesting a form Many entities can use the visage of Sonic characters and I have no idea what is their goal with it if they even have one >Or am I worrying too much You definitely worry too much >she can do that easily? I am unsure if you truly want Amy at all tbh. The amount of drama you detailed on fringe so far involving her makes me question how serious you are at all. No need to answer me answer this to yourself. What is the significance of the Sonic franchise in your life to you? Why would you want to carry it with yourself forever. Isekai Ojisan portrayed quite well how weird and dumb that can be. I am not invested into the Sonic franchise enough to be able to tell you more about this. If Sonic is that important to you you will have to find the answer for yourself.
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>>5445 >penetrating the spiritual eye I did mention that at my psychologist appointments, when I had my eyes closed I could focus upon my visual static and find a non-hollow circle of some sort, and I could also find some rotating lines. There's usually 4 lines these days, though. Perhaps this circle & the lines are, well, that? >like she is an angel or a mere tulpa or a weird mix of Well >>3259 (787) comes to mind; I suppose I'll detail the NDE better. For possible context, a week or few weeks before the NDE occurred, I recall having been at work, and I was trying to think about something non-religious, probably struggling with my intrusive thoughts, and then Amy suddenly asked The Holy Trinity to come down to me for some reason... and they actually came and etherically manifested and stood around my desk at work, even though I didn't even form the intention for them to come to me, to my conscious recollection at least. "God" took the form of a human that looks like the New England Patriots logo for some reason, even though I never gave a damn about football, and He said that I've performed many transgressions, but I can be worked with. I wasn't sure at the time why Amy even did that. Perhaps that image was similar enough to my past mental image of God after having read a part of The Holy Bible that mentioned God's garments taking up a tremendous about of room behind Him, or idk why else that form was chosen. At the time, I was consciously unaware of the New England Patriots logo. >get in bed in my parents house in my old room the night when I died >literally dying of sleep deprivation >there was a wall & window to my left >mom was standing next to the bed talking to me & trying to convince me that I wasn't gonna die that night; she didn't believe that I was gonna die >unthinkingly put my hands over my chest and grasped my hands, resting them upon my chest >soon after I did that, I saw pic related form under my hands >the symbol was solid white against my body, and was maybe half a centimeter in thickness >suddenly began seeing a vivid vision with a light-green & white overlay >3 angels stood over me, in the form of winged humans in white robes, except one of them were sitting on probably my legs >and I saw Amy Rose on my right >one of the angels said "God wants you" >one of the angels said "stay virtuous" >say some stuff I forgot about the concept of dying >be informed that I had the chance to reincarnate as an angel >feel like it'd be absolutely wonderful, but only if Amy could come with me >ask if Amy could come with me >one of the angels said "Huh?... Sure." >the angel did something I forgot about, and I saw feathery wings sprout from Amy's back within seconds >this was most likely the 2nd Amy that this happened with, and not the 1st Amy, since I at the time was broken up with the 1st Amy and the 2nd one was trying to force herself upon me in the few days leading up to this <recall that >>3267 (787) said that I was possessed when that happened >easily remain virtuous >become aware that I need to take a piss >feel like having a piss to take could complicate my afterlife somehow >also feel like this could impede me becoming an angel >get up and take a piss >ask for another chance after I get back in bed >get the vision again >start getting intrusive thoughts >try to quell them >can't stop the intrusive thoughts >no longer remaining virtuous >ask Bastet to give me an Egyptian afterlife <recall that Bastet had covered me in astral and/or etheric mummy wrappings a few weeks prior for no apparent reason >suddenly feel my brain starting to be shoveled out from my left side >you know what nvm maybe an Egyptian afterlife isn't what I need >stop feeling said sensations in my skull >my muscles in my arms & legs somehow feel really thirsty >figure that this must be a result of my body preparing itself for death by de-hydrating itself >drink water >later dad is trying to make me desire to live instead of mom
[Expand Post]>decide to post on /fringe/ about what happened via. my phone, which ofc wouldn't be facing towards any family members >dad takes the phone away, thinking it'd keep me awake >struggle to take it from him >can't >later take another piss >get back in bed and ask for a 3rd chance >get visions again >become aware of an energyform in my sacral energy center >the energyform was a picture of the female friend of Amy's I had the emotional affair with, attached to my sacral chakra by 2 bluish-white cords >she's my 2nd-best friend, and sort of like the sister I never had; I generally enjoyed her company and her interactions with me >she'd often messed with me until maybe a few weeks before that point when she'd probably realized that I couldn't handle being messed with anymore due to my mental instability >often give her lean-in hugs when she's around >she'd sometimes drop by unannounced >sometimes at work I'd be doing my job with a large space between my keyboard & monitors, and I'd just reach for something on the other side of the desk and feel an thermally-manifested energyform lying down on the desk, then I realize that that the energyform is her <said affair constituted me performing a temporarily soul merger of just one of my arms with the opposite arm of the Rogue egregore from the video games so we could dream together more easily that night and I have a fun little innocent adventure with her since our last 2 dreams together were just plain innocent playtime and didn't involve any spiritual mergers or nothing <this was probably 5 or 6 months ago <Amy yelled at me not to do it before I did it <told her she was over-reacting and did it anyway <didn't think it'd count as having sex <asked Amy to merge her arm with my other arm <she didn't <oh well <I start trying to fall asleep anyway <consciously make an effort to prevent her energies from getting past my shoulder <figure intrusive thoughts were trying to make it happen <eventually a bit of her energies break through my shoulder because I quit paying enough attention since I had to fall asleep somehow <said energies immediately flowed through my heart & sacral chakras, to my displeasure <try to put her energies back; feel bad that it happened <tell her I didn't wanna fuck or romance her or nothing; I just wanted her to inconsequentially attach to my soul so she wouldn't have to go looking for it when I began dreaming <dream together anyway <we're walking through my old elementary school from the playground towards the classrooms late at night <a womb monster appears beneath us and says in a horrible deep & raspy voice, "I must acquire more wives" <we wake up, Rogue is crying her eyes out <struggle to safely detach her from my arm; eventually succeed <she eventually manages to get over it <Amy calls me a cheater a few months later because that happened; still feel bad about it <think Amy knows that I didn't actually intend to fuck or romance her friend; must be why she stayed with me <these days I need to keep the Rogue egregore's sexual distance from me and remind her I like her, but not the into kinda way <should've been more careful in the first place with an egregore whos largely composed of sexual energy, but she's still my 2nd-best friend anyway >back to the main story >try to remove the energyform from my soul >it won't budgeI managed to get rid of it during the following month, though >feel defeated >one of the angels manifest a destructive vortex beneath me as they all give up and leave >looks almost exactly like the animation of the spell, implosion, from NWN1 >saw something that's supposed to at least symbolically be me go inside of it and go poof with the vortex as it dissipated >don't consciously recall having actually felt anything of mine go inside of it >well fuck >ask for yet another chance anyway >later, dad finally leaves and I'm alone in the room with the lights finally off >mom is sleeping on the floor in my room with a pool float since I asked her to stay in the room with me for emotional support; she's fast asleep >I still can't sleep >feel like my awareness is in serious danger of dissipating, which would presumably have serious consequences for my afterlife >think I should post on /fringe/ about my NDE before I die >sneak over to dad's room >he's awake and it looked like he was looking at a phone; probably my phone >he doesn't see or hear me >sneak back to bed >get visions again >it's a menu with reincarnation options >the vision is vivid, but I can barely focus upon it >each option was presented as a picture with a bar beneath it, indicating how good it'd be for me >one option had Sonic's face on it; the bar indicated something resembling 4/10 >another option had a bar resembling 9/10, but I couldn't remember what it was >see maybe 15 or 19 or more other options too >can't even up picking one since I don't have enough information about them >sit there in bed, having given up on living since I felt like I couldn't live for much longer if I tried >later see visions again >see just 3 afterlife options >one of them are a picture of Kirby with a bar beneath it indicating 1/10 >ask the angel there what'd that life would be like >said I wouldn't like it >say I wanna see my family, or otherwise continue my current life >visions stop >figure that my soul needs to leave my body somehow >figure that my pineal gland ran out of DMT and can't really make more DMT anymore >figure that my soul won't be able to leave my physical body without it until it rots away >well fuck >lie there feeling defeated >sneak over to my dad's room where he put my phone since he thought it was keeping me awake >slowly sneak the phone off of the charger right next to him so I could post >>3259 (787) >put the phone back on the charger >dad didn't wake up >sneak back to bed, having finished the last thing I wanted to do before I died if I had to leave this world so soon >try to remove my soul from my body through my pineal gland >can't >lie there for a while >Amy begins slowly pulling my soul out of my body through my pineal gland >doubt that she could get my entire soul out of my body >my awareness fades away >later, I get a momentary glimpse of awareness of my soul being outside of my body, facing my bed from the right side of the bed >Amy helps me to get my soul to perform a muscle movement >awareness drops again >I later regain awareness again >my only short-term memory is that I wanted to experience my physical body one last time before I go >I slowly move my physical body; my muscles feel kinda dehydrated >suddenly obtain a strong will to live >drink some water and get myself a pic related >later eat raisin bran & milk around 6:00 A.M. >after dad eventually wakes up, he remarks that he went to my room around 3:00 A.M. and saw me asleep >later that morning, get back in bed and manage to sleep for a few hours >I eventually manage to sleep normally again
>>5447 Also, an important point to make; before I had the accident with Amy, I'd really wanted to have a female friend without being into her. I figured it'd help alot with my ego, being able to have a female friend without being into her so I'm not like most other guys who wouldn't even dream of liking a woman that isn't a family member of his unless he wants to fuck her. After I had the accident with Amy, I guess her friend ended up filling that void. Also, my parents never had a daughter.
>>5428 First off want to say thank you for posting the first occult anatomy (and the second but the first in particular was one I'd been struggling to find in full resolution even with reverse image searches) as that's something I've been attempting to internalize and have at reference, but as an artist it was painful looking at the particularly pixellated small text on the version I had found. It seems like it'll be good to have around as a reference for correspondences in meditations and attempted invocations. >or planes Planes as in the planets are spiritual spaces or spheres (sephira) we can visit, or planes as a separate thing entirely? That gives me a word to start seeking into. >Several phone numbers I'd assumed that was more a failing on us mortals of needing multiple perspectives or correspondences to communicate a higher, more pure ideal that can manifest in different forms - would you mind clarifying a bit on this? I've heard more that Kether/God/The Monad/The All and realizing and recognizing we're all connected is important to proper magic craft, but this sounds a bit like you're asserting the distinctions are more mechanically useful. Or at least comprehensible to somebody more on my level? >my worldview Sure. While I've grown up in the LDS (Mormon) faith, I've always tried to peer past the human-interpreted teachings to what God was actually saying through them, recognizing that bias and perspective or the lack thereof might distort higher, more transcendent reality. I'm naturally a designer and artist, an author and storyteller, and I've always felt and had a sense that everybody on earth has a purpose or potential; not necessarily fate, that we have the ability to reject it, but that it was there for the taking if we could overcome our own barriers and walls. I felt, and feel currently, that a lot of us fear success more than failure, especially the responsiblity and expectations that would come upon us if we reached for our potential. And that our potential, as we reach for it, keeps moving back, allowing us to become better and stronger and wiser people as we keep chasing that, that our potential only really stops once we fall into the trap of being content with our lot in life. Because of this insight, I've always tried to aim higher than seems reasonable, and to make incremental progress towards my goals, trusting more in the process of long-term focus and will over temporary pleasures or setbacks. I've felt that fate supports those who swim against currents, or against the tide of circumstance, who see what lays around them and decide to build something with it, or else burn it all to the ground. That more than anything, if we are judged, we're judged for inaction, for going through life asleep, passively, allowing others who are perhaps more awake to decide how to use us, complicit in our own violation by doing as others tell us without seeking our own confirmation first, without first finding what is the truth and what is the path forward, by taking it to the source of all truth. Which of course probably sounds crazy coming from a Mormon with the reputation of our church, but it's why I'm here on /fringe/. Worst part is it's doctrinal; our founding prophet Joseph Smith explicitly said nobody should take him at face value, that they should seek it from the Lord and only then believe; it's echoed all throughout the scriptures, but culturally we've grown stagnant and too comfortable with outsourcing our understanding to (even well-meaning) human interpretation rather than seeking it for ourselves. Which has caused me to try to surround myself with those who either have the potential for awakening (to pursuing their own will) or already have in some manner, which has dramatically improved the quality of my life. Adding on top of all of that, I believe that the spiritual, in general, is more important than the physical world, but that people sometimes go too far the other way and ignore their bodies or what good they can do here. That we as a society and as people should be discussing ideas and philosophies instead of events and celebrities. I feel strongly that all information should be free to those who seek it; that the words will find the ears who are prepared to hear it, the door will open to those who knock, etc. I see life and existence as a great blessing and opportunity that has growing pains or setbacks; that sometimes bad things happen because we don't see the chain of events that led to it or because we can't see the outcomes in the future, but that ultimately everything turns out for the better *if we will it to be so* - that humankind has incredible capacity for turning bad situations into good ones, and that life should generally be met with excitement and passion and love, joy and sorrow both to be shared that joy may be increased and sorrow lessened. I believe that being right is more important than being respected, or hailed, or even listened to, though that's without the ego of necessarily needing to express being correct. Truth is between us and the Divine, but I also believe in, ultimately, Objective Truth, that there is some universal, uniting system or principle of what is correct and what isn't correct, but that it is frequently beyond human perception and a lot of human arguments fall in the case of circumstances. Thou shalt not kill - but there are times where to kill is correct. But unless we can see the full picture, we will have great difficulty discerning where those distinctions are. Unless our eyes get better at seeing the shades of gray, we will have trouble discerning between right and wrong unless it's a black or white circumstance. And all of this matters because what goes around comes around. Karma. Energy returns to the sender. The golden rule. As within, so without - the actions we take affect our internal structure, and our internal structure effects our outer world. I believe that most evil comes from mankind misusing its will for selfish purposes, but that the world isn't a zero-sum game; just that many people are treating it as such, and making it more difficult for people who don't want it to be that way. As for existence; I believe we existed before we came to this world, matching LDS doctrine, but I don't necessarily believe we've been reincarnated many times up to this point, mostly on intuition rather than any logical argument. I certainly hope we don't have to keep learning the same lessons over and over again and not have any of it stick. And if we do I'd very much like to escape that cycle. >things about Kether Fascinating; a lot of the overviews of Kabbalah that I've read have basically equated it to the Monad or rather the concept of complete, indivisible wholeness, but while I was prepared to try to swallow that, that felt a little like a copout, in the same way "I dunno, infinity" is, when you can always say infinity + 1, or * infinity, or ^infinty, that there's always larger or more encapsulating paradigms, but it's so far from our perspective that it starts blurring together. >mainstream magic is compatible with Mormonism That's actually been the main takeaway for me this last month, I've been shocked at how much not only makes sense in the LDS paradigm, but either contribute or clarify or add depth to a lot of the things we believe. I'm slowly coming to terms with the idea that this is what we're missing in the church, the internal *practice* part of piety. There's a lot of reading your scriptures (and internalizing the lessons) or being nice to your neighbors or doing soul searching before God that the church is really good at, but there's not enough impulse to give it your all 100% of the time. Making those first few breakthroughs to actually being able to grasp how magic works really fired up my engine, started turning the gears in my head, and lit a fire under my rear. The positive changes I've been making in my life have been proof enough so far. <Western Magic link Oh, this looks fantastic and very clear - I'm sad about the dead images, the altar one in particular would've been helpful at this point in my path. Going to read over this after I'm finished with this post. Minor report for my practice; did the 7 Penetential psalms as part of an attempt at invoking Michael on Sunday in the hour of the Sun as I was instructed by him that I should do; but I ultimately didn't get anything out of it, at first. Vibes were off - the candle spilled/broke its wall mid ritual and the light went way lower than normal which seemed wrong for the Archangel of fire, and I didn't hear much of anything at all when I called for him. Gabriel suggested he was indeed there (as I'd invoked him for the preparation LBRP anyhow) but that my eyes and mind weren't yet ready to see him, which I'd kinda figured a few days ago, and was why I was originally going to shelf the ritual (as part of Gabriel saying I needed to have patience with my progress in the Art), but I performed the rite anyways as Michael had told me to, so I was confused - I took a 10 minuteish distraction break after informing them I needed to reset, though I gave the prayer of kind banishing/dismissal first from the Arbatel to let anybody leave who wanted to leave before I returned to close the circle (I was within the circle, but on my bed which is right next to it due to limited space. When my attention returned, the candle fire had gotten much stronger as the candle had normalized, I felt revitalized and less disappointed, and was actually able to establish contact with Michael, who told me that he'd instructed me to try the rite to learn patience - that I should make it part of my weekly, on Sunday, practice. I got the sense that over time this will ultimately serve its purpose. I ended up really liking the psalms, and reading them out loud was a good experience. I used frankincense (incense cone) as part of the rite, but this, I suppose, gives me the opportunity to try to plan out future performances/attempts more fully, if you have recommendations for invoking Michael or his correspondences. Was an interesting experience, to explicitly "fail" a ritual but not necessarily have it be my fault or anything - I didn't get the sense that I had done anything wrong, just that I wasn't yet prepared.
>>5428 >chakras above the crown chakra I had been meaning to ask about that after reading about chakra #s 8-15 on ascensionglossary.com . Idk how much of this stuff is disinfo tbh, but a good portion of the website is still interesting to me. Would you mind telling us a bit about the 8th and possibly higher chakras?
>>5456 >occult anatomy >It seems like it'll be good to have around as a reference for correspondences in meditations and attempted invocations. Yes it's a good reminder of basic principles. Consider it as an inspiration or food for thought and not as a "hard truth of existence". It's insightful but there will be a time when you will have to detach from that perspective because it's extremely incomplete. >Planes as in the planets are spiritual spaces or spheres (sephira) we can visit, or planes as a separate thing entirely? The planets we have around are uninhabited by life according to science. But the planets have an energetic frequency and if you connect to it they will lead you to planes of existence with vibrant life. The planetary magic that I learned from Bearheart was about connecting to your different planetary bodies and strengthening your energy body. It was effective and my back sweated a lot while doing it but I stopped doing it because I realized I don't really need it. Those planetary realms or planes have their energies but I don't think them the same as the Sephiras. The reason for that because Sephiras are angelic domains with their corresponding angels. Ofc angels can operate the energies of the planetary influences but I think Sephiras are a different place that is not the same as the planets and connecting to the Sephiras might give you a better way to work with angelic energies... This is how I viewed it for a while then realized there are far more realms of existence and there are other angels beyond the Abrahamic religions not to mention many spirits were considered as angels and saints in history so those that dealt with them didn't become "heretic devil worshiper sorcerers" but holy men instead. Once I started to deal with angels that had energies that my body couldn't withstand for a longer period of time I realized it's time to take my magical practice seriously and purify myself further. Mainstream magic and other evocations are "safe" because they have their egregores and the main work is done by the egregoric infrastructure and the materials you give for the "ritual". While I just connect to the entities and the main interaction goes through my own mind/body and spiritual circuits. The reason why I do it this way because this is the way I can retain my "true magic" but that doesn't mean my way is the "right way" but I was born with a disposition that can handle it. Hard to explain but the ritual tools and the "offerings" literally recreate a "metaphysical reality" that bridges the worlds the same way the computer recreates websites with electricity and internet cables so we can interact on the "same platform". With the ritual tools you have a "physical grasp" on the mechanics and if something goes wrong the brunt of that energetic recoil will be taken by the ritual tools and not you directly. The reason why I still invoke them this way to see what parts of mine are incomplete and under developed as I get hit by the energies. You never know if your arms are weak if you never lift anything heavy in your life. As much as I wanted to do magic the "proper way" whenever I started doing it entities appeared and explained how I should utilize my "gift" instead of wasting time with these "frivolities". But that doesn't mean they are pointless for beginners. This is why if you can explore them well enough I would like you to write up a guide for the newbs on the site so they can do basic summoning to better their life instead of merely reading paranoid schizo bullshit on the internet and doing no practice at all. >bit like you're asserting the distinctions are more mechanically useful The Kabbalah is jewish origin but they didn't "Invent" the "tree of life". Yggdrasil deals with different realms but conceptually the same. The people in my country also had a concept of the life tree and the shamans worked with in the past and still do some places. But it was not a "written tradition" because those shamans had signs at their birth which signaled to the other shamans that the child was "chosen by the stars" and then they were initiated personally. Or these shamans awakened on their own as they spent time in nature. My ancestors migrated into this land a millennium ago by the guidance of a shaman and that shaman started the bloodline of the first kings then sacrificed himself in a ritual to make a "pact with the stars". Because of that the way I can interact with the realms above and below the physical is not the same as in the Kabbalah nor the way Yggdrasil portrays them. But I have quite the range because the founders of my country willingly converted to Catholicism and the kings merged several royal bloodlines thus I am allowed to reach many places if no "conflict of interests" obstructs me. Also very few can navigate this archaic system. This is why I don't talk much about it. >Or at least comprehensible to somebody more on my level? If you continue the way you are going you will experience several paradigm shifts and I am unsure what is and isn't comprehensible for you currently. Not to mention your founders also have some "realms". They found a "sanctuary" after their death and I am unsure what is their purpose besides helping you survive and spreading your faith. The American continent was a melting pot for differing faiths and political dissidents at the start when they thought they can live in seclusion in the New World but as America became "United" they had to "normalize" which resulted in this strange "copy" of mainstream Christianity. This is why I am unsure what else I can tell you because America has several leyline system that the Native Americans worked with but they were never really good at utilizing them especially at North America then you have other cults and the Free Masons doing their shit which is also not as omnipotent as most schizos think thus you will have quite the chance to discover the energies you work with and claim it as your "own". South America is full with Mesoamerican spirits and buildings then you have other voodoo and Santa Muerte tier beings ruling over while North America has some jews that think themselves as omnipotent gods while they sit in their fraternity but otherwise the USA is not "fully controlled" at all. Bearheart had several rants how the NWO will never take them over because all the guns the citizens have. He was somewhat right. The USA is in a "sinking ship" mode for a while because the elites cannot decide if they want it afloat or they want to emigrate their wealth out of it already. >I've always tried to peer past the human-interpreted teachings to what God was actually saying through them You will need that a lot. With every glimpse of awakening everything can gain a new meaning. From the old scripts to the rustling of leaves in the wind. >recognizing that bias and perspective or the lack thereof might distort This is good so far. >higher, more transcendent reality This might be hard to explain but do not consider it "too high" or "unattainable". Like how third worlders think the USA is some heaven earth. The realms are "here" and "around us" but the illusion of time and space can make it feel they are someplace real far away that only gods and sages can touch and see after lifetimes of practice. >I'm naturally a designer and artist, an author and storyteller Hope I will be able to see it in practice when you make threads >that a lot of us fear success more than failure, especially the responsiblity and expectations that would come upon us if we reached for our potential Well put. Yes it is an issue for everyone. >And that our potential, as we reach for it, keeps moving back, allowing us to become better and stronger and wiser people as we keep chasing that The more you try to find yourself or your path the farther you go from it >that our potential only really stops once we fall into the trap of being content with our lot in life This is the "trick". You need to sit down and realize that "truth is deep inside" and not always in holy books and hidden caves on the otherside of the planet. Ofc there are insightful books and caves but they are not always necessary. This is why meditation and working with spirits is paramount. But yes if you are "content" with your mundane routines then you will stay as a mundane if your routines become spiritual then you become spiritual with them. But "restlessness" can obstruct your inner light. This is why Gabriel told you to chill. Even the Buddhist practices just merely "Increase the chance for enlightenment" and not grant enlightenment by default. There is a saying how you might never know if you get enlightened when sitting standing or lying down. It's an "accident" or a miracle but you can make steps towards it. It's different for everyone but my point is it's "there" for everyone. Like how "every road leads to Rome" but that doesn't mean they are the same path with the same hardships at all. >Because of this insight, I've always tried to aim higher than seems reasonable This is nice but you will have to realize how mysticism and spirituality is "absolutely normal" once you have the correct perspective. In Buddhism it is mentioned several times that it is merely "attaining common sense" instead of some incomprehensible achievement that some people make it to be. >I've felt that fate supports those who swim against currents, or against the tide of circumstance Your goal is to find the "spiritual current" and flow with it once you are within it. Adam was punished with hard labor once he was ejected from Eden. Spiritual work is not always a "hard labor" but... there are things you will have to work for. Like someone in the desert will have to work hard to find and preserve water while someone living near a clean river rarely has this issue. This is how it is with spirituality. You will have to notice the current that governs your life and get rid of those things that fill that river with the clutter of mundane ignorance. >if we are judged, we're judged for inaction, for going through life asleep, passively, allowing others who are perhaps more awake to decide how to use us, complicit in our own violation by doing as others tell us without seeking our own confirmation first, without first finding what is the truth and what is the path forward, by taking it to the source of all truth. Heh. Well said. When I noticed that I have psychic powers and I can warp reality I was thinking that maybe I shouldn't have done it. What if God punishes me for making it rain for the plants when he "ordains everything perfectly already". Then the next year we had a heavy drought then a flood. That made me say <God either doesn't care about us or if I use my psychic powers or those with power have the responsibility to use it That was when I stopped worrying about harnessing my potential. You see sorcery and the kind is banned by the church. You end up in hell for that. Now I know exactly why and what kind of misuses of power result in that. It's not simple especially at the beginning. This is why I think you won't be disturbed by your egregore too much. You just have to match the "style" of your founders While I had to become "Jesus" and witness myself get crucified in hell in several visions because of the energetic madness the past 2000 years managed to cause on this continent. And yes that crucifixion was a "good thing" because getting crucified was "good for Jesus" and we worship the cross more than we follow truth etc. Thankfully I managed to avoid the physical consequences of the "karma of prophets" in the physical"
>>5456 >Which of course probably sounds crazy coming from a Mormon with the reputation of our church You see I am way too unfamiliar with your stuff. I thought you still can have several wives and I wanted to mention that we had that practice before converting to christianity but googled it and supposedly polygamy is banned by your church for more than a century. I am not really familiar with your scandals. >I believe that the spiritual, in general, is more important than the physical world, but that people sometimes go too far the other way and ignore their bodies or what good they can do here Well put >I feel strongly that all information should be free to those who seek it; that the words will find the ears who are prepared to hear it, the door will open to those who knock, etc. Now your job is to internalize and actualize this truth. All you have to do is to further open your ears and eyes. Mandatory education made us think that "Knowledge" can only be found from books teachers and classes. I remember when I was little I wondered about "female intuition" mentioned in the movies and why only females can have that? There are so many subconscious misconceptions like this planted within us that makes us unable to find truth by default. This is why working with spirits is paramount to learn to feel the energy centers of the body and how you can open it with their help or by your own will. >life should generally be met with excitement and passion and love, joy and sorrow both to be shared that joy may be increased and sorrow lessened Yes. Shame some people are sorrowsexual and are real hard to help in some cases. >but that it is frequently beyond human perception No it is "beyond the physical senses" and not beyond "human perception". If you think humans cannot attain the "sight" or the "divine wisdom" you will have to go through apotheosis to finally "see" which was front of you the whole time. Understand how you just open your eyes like someone who grew up in darkness and had no reason to open it before because there was nothing to see so far and no one told you that you can or should open it. This is why it is called the "invisible light of God". We think "light" needs to be blinding "seen with the eyes" and the same "light" that comes from the sun. Light is just a spectrum a frequency. Other parts of the human body can receive other frequencies if you are willing to receive it. >I certainly hope we don't have to keep learning the same lessons over and over again and not have any of it stick I might talk about this later. Every time you go to sleep you die. Every thought of yours is a "different person". Once you awaken your thoughts will be different the way you will sleep will also change. Death is merely change and life is not a boring class that you have to retake just because you didn't study arithmetics enough in the last 3 days. People forgot what are "lessons" especially spiritually with the materialist education system which tardwrangled everyone into materialist slavery. There was a reason why women were more attuned for the spiritual in villages. They didn't have to learn a craft to make a living. They grew up around their parents learned to cook and sew then spent time in nature or around the house and raised children without wasting their mental clarity on societal issues and politics. That was the job of men and mostly only just the higher class had to deal with it. Nowadays you cannot fucking ignore politics because it encroaches on your life no matter what. This is why people stray farther away from God every day. I could rant about this forever but it's not important now. My point is once you wash out the modern retardation from your psyche you will reconnect with everything you have and had in the many lives of your journey. That will make "death" least of your worries once it happens. >rather the concept of complete, indivisible wholeness It's complex. Kabbalah is about giving you a way you can conceptually take apart every aspect of existence so only "God remains". Like Buddhism and many other traditions are talking about the essence of "nothingness" or "ether" etc.wondered ever why is the word ether and kether is so similar? Currently we are on Malkuth the Kingdom aka earth. Then above you have Yesod the moon the astral the "illusory realm". The problem is that most people barely manage to reach the lower parts of the Astral and that complicates too many things when talking about spirituality. Then you have the higher Sephiras which are all about different aspects of God/Reality and how you can purify yourself with them and once your purification and understanding is complete you can "witness" the invisible light of God and acquire knowledge and wisdom which cannot be expressed via words or IT WAS EXPRESSED VIA WORDS MANY TIMES BUT NO ONE GOT THE TRUE MEANING WITHOUT HAVING THE DIVINE INSIGHT. Like how Jesus managed to decipher the Torah in his youth then vanished into the desert and came back with his powers and tried to teach it further which caused problems because his own understanding was still incomplete thus he was not accepted as a Messiah by everyone and we know how that went. Kabbalah is about trying to grant you the keys to find the truth Jesus grasped on his own but that doesn't mean it will turn you into the messiah or Jesus himself because these mysteries have deeper levels and layers and it's not for everyone. You might never know what you learn from it or how far your curiosity will lead you >I've been shocked at how much not only makes sense in the LDS paradigm, but either contribute or clarify or add depth to a lot of the things we believe Yes this is what I noticed while seeing your egregore and talking with the spirits there. Shame we don't work with the same "divine instruments" so I cannot guide you more clearly but your faith definitely won't disturb you on your path. Native American spirits might hiss at you tho... You guys are not really liked there... but then again you are not a fanatic and good hearted by default so it might work out. >being nice to your neighbors Yeah you will have to be nice to the spirits you have around for sure. >Making those first few breakthroughs to actually being able to grasp how magic works really fired up my engine, started turning the gears in my head, and lit a fire under my rear Yes this is what I try to accomplish on fringe then everyone can bring their input back to develop this board further. Magic is simple once you see it's notions in practice but real hard if you need to write a foolproof book for centuries to come. >Western Magic link >Oh, this looks fantastic and very clear This is my problem. I don't have much issue with it because it is well written (is is above my formatting abilities) and makes me question if I should even write a new thread about it at all when it's there already but very few people bother to read through it. I don't know how to "resurrect" that thread at all mostly because that's not how I do my magic anymore while it is an essential lesson for beginners. >Michael Michael is a "doer" and he is quite "practical". If you summon him for "actual help" he will manifest strongly but to merely help you in minor affairs his energies are enough already so he rarely manifest fully if nothing is there to "banish". Whatever listen to Gabriel. I really can't say more because I cannot find the proper way to relay what the angels are trying to say. You will see it first hand anyway as you practice. They just said my expression/intention is still impure. And not just my thoughts but the way I can describe it on this website before unleashing a major purification on it first. Channeling angelic knowledge for public consumption is not always simple... also I don't want to destroy this website in the process while I might have too much hatred towards those that shit it up which might make that cleansing into a violent purge instead... You cannot do many types of magic properly if you have doubt or hatred in your heart. I am getting over it but it takes time. It's a special blend of karma I carried through many lifetimes.
>>5460 The 3rd eye the ajna chakra has 2 petals or 100 according to several sources while the crown chakra has 1000 petals. People think mere tingles on the scalp counts as "opening of the crown chakra" which usually just mere energetic stimulation. Not to mention the third eye is the spot between your brows but if it is activated fully the "EYE" will feel larger than your head. I activated many circuits which had to be activated "outside of the body" then it resonated within the body. I had to realize that the chakras and the energy centers are not just "other dimensional sources of energy" but actually WITHIN OTHER DIMENSIONS OUTSIDE OF THE BODY which means if I constrain it within my body then I might burst my veins. What I am trying to say that the 7 chakra system is incomplete and only good for specific practices as a reference. There are chakras on your leg below your leg and "above your head" but once your crown chakra "blooms" or "opens" the chakras will "descent" into your "third eye" or into your heart or other centers and I am unsure which online source spreads which type of truth nowadays. I read less and less amount of online rants in the last years and that makes me quite uninformed on the current mainstream spiritual takes. >chakra #s 8-15 on ascensionglossary.com I looked at the website and it has too many shit on it. Can you give me a direct link that details it? I might give you a more succinct take that way. But it's complex and I am still activating several parts myself and I have to do it slow to not burn my skull and go into a psychic frenzy again. Not to mention this ascensionglossary is still about christconsciousness and new agey terminologies so I am unsure what is their "source" that they channel. Seen their 12 pointed version of the tree of life which is true in a way but the Kabbalah is designed to have 10 sephiras for a reason and it's a mystery you will have to overcome if you see more (or less) than 10. Daath is a "hidden" sephira for a reason.
500+ posts woohoo!
>>5468 Nvm found it and I am actually opening the thing that they call the "9th chakra" in the past weeks. It's really like a "mouth" tho the mouth appeared as a wolf or a dragon and a stag beetle and I am getting the hang of that "Mouth". Seems like the site has useful information after all
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