>>6314 Nothing Bacause for me its just confirmation bias and placebos based on supersticious thing and altered states of mind. Real Skills, education and personality growth aka charisma, skills ethics and morality make humans. Faith dies but doubt and skills lives forever (or until you go old) >cured multiple chronic health issues Good, medicine? >developed the skill to consistently hex public figures and corporations, for my own fun and satisfaction Trolling on media? >secured a relaxing job where I barely have to do anything Family job or be smart? (Too smart) maybe good luck mane. >can manipulate the astral version of events to cause seemingly inescapable problems to immediately vanish like magic lol Aye, i can't do that. But if you drink little alcohol everything banish And if you smile and laugh (during ritual or not) the spirit of rendition and forgetfullness go away. Just dont turn into alcoholism or drug like that oversexualized bald guy called CrowHoly And ye, we mans like girls have autorization to cry. >no longer have any nightmares or bad dreams since astral combat and self-defense techniques have been ingrained into my subconscious Just breath healthy, bad dreams are that. Dont put your hand in your stomach during sleep, and dont consume drugs. Stay healthy. No breath during sleep = brain in alert and fear and nightmares mane >much easier to talk with people since I can just lace my words and aura with energetic intent to transmit my ideas and make my speech more potent Its more easy if you just read some on oratoria and charisma... like old time do romans and greeks (and politics...) Maybe with evocatio (yeah talk to agathodaemons and all that thing of "bro moments" with greek letter clubs) and threatise (shake-spare lol) you learn something of "how to talk cool and chill and make wonders of beatiful voice to others" That it man, that the whole thing and do what yu wilt that the whole cake or some old boring poetic bullshit-thing and tits and dick everywhere. Good luck and dont molest my loli wizards students, ok? And STAY AWAY FROM MY TOWER AND DONT TOUCH MY ORBS

>>6321 Ehhh well there are more thing that cause nightmares than headache of bad breathing (like a bad summoning of negg'lot'ha the child of the grave or dhia'rrea) You get my point mane? Not everything its astral, maybe anal (ignore freud and crowley obsession pls) brain function go insane during sleep if you sleep bad. Or shympatic function going bad and yu shithing everywhere. Anecdote: I drink some holy water on a catholic church (yeah, not a gnostic one on gnostic mass more like a pseudo catholic evangelical weird fringe freakism) And its not wine or juju of fruits, its holy water... >and?... and i shit-end everything from my solar plexus to my agni chakra. Maybe that happened for something ignoring the bacteria in the holy jesus water. Maybe its the purpose of her holyness pope or priest in that church. Or that how jesus work and saved me from something i dont know. Maybe its holy water from streaming girl Its magick, yu dont know. Things happen, shits happens. Aleluya!

>>6322 >for me its just confirmation bias and placebos based on supersticious thing and altered states of mind. Sounds like you haven't actually done any real magic before, in that case. You've really never done something that your own superstition of materialism held was "impossible" before? You've never tried to summon a thunderstorm, or perform telekinesis? I suppose you think it's a 'waste of time' since they're impossible in the first place? Is that what your faithless life of self-doubt has given you? Powers equivalent to your average psych undergrad? >skills lives forever (or until you go old) That's a pretty short-lived 'forever'. Or are you one of those people who think that the mind itself is just "chemical reactions"? >Good, medicine? Oh, come on. Don't talk to me about medicine. You should know full well the full impotence and evil of what modern medicine has become by now. You go into one of those quacks' offices with a back problem and the only "solutions" they'll be able to give you is to get you hooked on chemical painkillers for life, or perform crippling back surgery mutilation that will likely just make the problem exponentially worse. All the while they're bouncing you around "specialists" trying to drain all the money you have before throwing you in the trash. And that's not to mention the absolutely shameful way these witch doctors behaved during the covid hoax. While actually competent sorcerers could have simply seen and corrected the energies responsible for whatever illness to prevent it from manifesting in themselves in the first place. Half of these "skills" are just pointless or outright harmful theater designed to give the modern priest class a facade of usefulness. The other half are just ways to interface with the energetic truth behind physical events, and are largely superfluous if you know what to do magically. All of these modern politicians are schooled in "charisma" and "oratory" by the best teachers this rotten system has to offer, and their displays can hardly be likened with the true Art. >Dont put your hand in your stomach during sleep Are you serious man? Astral phenomenon isn't caused by "bad breathing". Why don't you go to one of the poor wretches in the help threads on this board and try to fix their astral torments by telling them where to put their hands when they fall asleep? Come on. This is stupid. >>6322 >Not everything its astral Yes, it is. You wouldn't know since you haven't experienced it, but years of observing how overt and dramatic the physical can rearrange itself in response to astral actions in undeniable confirmation. "Doing magic" by getting drunk is purely passive work. Try using your mind to change your environment, not the other way around.

>>6325 I tried to do a quantum connection with you hive mind but the mind talk not's working on local. Im channeling, im'a radio, the radio its non-local And absense essence of humour bring we all back-pain and headaches. I threasite yu with a serious ilness of elitism and boringness, if you continue at whitchy rate way you gonna become a source of chaotic paranoia and greyfaced on the phenomena of political mind-wave fuckering of media-agit-trop-pop of goverment, leftist and rightwing talented power cranks of the political powers of the military-politik-religious-heroto-sexually-kematose jerarchy of crankers and identity politics ethos and humanoid culture wars politics. I get it, you get it? Im humanized?, ia'm sealed? im the humanoid. There're no self reporting flufbunnies in quantum-field. Reporting. There you, im self, there no white and no dark in the corner of the eye. Reporting? Afirmative. Self-confirming. Get it?, i get it, got it?, self reporting, got it, reporting, waving, local function, clear. Im auditing with the pope, the bear shit in the woods? The pope shit in the woods. Mystical quantum energies are over-self-affirmed. Afirmative. Reporting. Im connected, my overthinking is quantum-quackery non-local Turning back to local on anull sphagiria. Over. Now im go to orb my orbing. Next time with you want chacha chaca just talk to your Ev.Point 0 left Rothbard&Hubbard.Co and your dear Pineal Gland. The new age boomers are turning insane these times and do a lot of shiting in my garden. These things Smell like nigredo and viagra (menstruation and smoke weed maybe) Reporting. I find a Crystal in my bathroom, if you just put salt on it these thing gonna explode like tnt. Maybe there're putting to much "green revolution alchemy" to the food of these vegetarians.... hippie... yeah vegetarians hippied with some coke or sugar. Reporting. Next time you consume ice cream see if it have LSD or you gonna starting to see UFO/ UAPS/. I like vanilla and strawberry. DONT LISTEN THE TV OR INTERNET, ITS NON-LOCAL Reporting OVer. >End of non-local connection. MUU MUU say the holycow -XoXo Agent of DEA and Narco-ethics of the Otherworld and Australia of EarthFlat Sphere. Good luck mane-anon.

>>6327 I think you've been reading too much Robert Anton Wilson. Quirky thought experiments can only take you so far. Eventually you're going to have to start taking yourself seriously. The Fool is just the first step, and getting stuck there is just as fatal as not starting at all.

>>6328 The map is not the territory And the lenguage is not the total suma of expressions. Go apply hermeneutics to technobabble texts. The philosophy of the fool is not acting stupid, the philosophy of the stupid is bringin light among boringness and seriousness and elitistic motif of the topics. Like the old archetype of the fool, not the modern one. We re not here to troll or ruin the echosystem like the monoteistic boringness say Loki and Jesus are more preliminar brothers than you can believe... The first do jokes and strokes on the christianised sagas The second stealed a Donkey and have a PuertoRican name. The third is a child and lives in the mind of all humans waiting to laugh of boringness of strokes and jokes.

>>6329 Personally I think that agnostic armchair-philosophizing is much more boring than going out and performing objective thaumaturgy and physical evocations. But if you just want to stay at that level, it's fine.

>>6330 I never say i dont do that too often, read between lines of what i writed here Im just bored of technobabble and elitism of the non-fringe culture. This shit happen from Theosophy to Caoism. Its not that hard just say thing in a no Silogistic poetic way. That the point of overwhelming text, shitiwriting to say nothing but just put some truth between lines. New agers do this every single time and in a egoistic manner. Some people read it, others dont get it bacause they have slow speed brain reaction and the magic in their brain-eye connection is dead.

>>6331 Why do you keep mentioning elitism? Do you think it's "elitist" to expect physical results from your magical work? Because that's the primary reason that anyone who's not an armchair occultist has for getting into magic in the first place. The entire point of this thread was supposed to be to advertise the objective material potential of magic to lurkers so that they would be motivated to start actually practicing and become active neophytes instead. But you came in and decided to derail it right off the bat with a bunch of fedora-tier handwaving which if I didn't know better would appear to come right out of the worldview of a purely materialist dogma-eater. >Its not that hard just say thing in a no Silogistic poetic way. >That the point of overwhelming text, shitiwriting to say nothing but just put some truth between lines. Your writing isn't poetic, it's disjointed. Like you're drunk or high or something. Saying things that you don't mean in a stupid way doesn't make you a whimsical zen master, it just makes you stupid.

>>6314 I'm more curious in how to do any of that. I have out-of-body experiences and that's roughly all I've seen 'working' so far. >>6330 >performing objective thaumaturgy and physical evocations I've never heard anyone use such words in reference to tangible effects. >>6332 >The entire point of this thread was supposed to be to advertise the objective material potential of magic to lurkers so that they would be motivated to start actually practicing and become active neophytes instead. I appreciate that. But how is it practised and what does doing magic even entail?

>>6332 And this the problem with ceremonial magicians and all magick anons They get a point o no return in the napoleonic trastorn that they thing the whole world spin around them Do you know why the GD and a lot of magic societies just die or evolved (or get took by a egomaniac ruining traditions maybe) ? Yep, Egoism. The whole point of original ceremonial magic its not material thing or going into crack sniff just for powers or mystic of contacting god (ignoring the whole boring intellectual high-class-egomanic of GD and others european magic-societies) The original point of magic is a philosophical and esoteric aproach to turn "neophytes" into a more high-self into the humandkind. Not to keep away from them or turn their personality into frigid boring tower mages. Its not the perrenial philosophy what we re searching for a millenia, its a method to be more good human. And yes later you have all these assholes with the core of magic of just doest give a shit about others and just say "hey let go evocatio and turn me like god beyond simply shit mortals doing from what its my narrative of ego" The ceremonial magic societies its not just brokened bacause of elitist and egoism. They brokened bacause of lose of faith and less doubts on the faith. the egoism and paranoia self induced based on "secrets" and fear of other and the "high masters" turn them into a insane mind clusters. The ego of they its like are one point more up on the human scale like they're keep trying becoming freaking gods or destroying their minds (and this get fucked up on plurality and other forms) I readed every single damn magic book from 1800 to this day and every one are just egomaniac and unsincere in their approach of magic. We are not different than the common guy doing chamanic animism but not in a material way of surviving for money or traditions or the old woman doing synpatetic magic to her grandchildrens. >if I didn't know better would appear to come right out of the worldview of a purely materialist dogma-eater. You get the point now, right? I just writing like the tipical tunnel-way of scientific perspective of thing and your whole world view just gave a heart and brain attack bacause your inner high geniuses and thing just say "NO" They are not trained yo say "Maybe" or "Let's try that" or "Maybe some is truth and he not trolling me" The hermeneutic get fucked bacause anyone dont give a shit anymore of that or they. They just keep reading manuals of how to do thing like a conductual behavioral therapy ignoring the philosophy and morality to stay atuned to spirits of earth and mind. They live in the sky, not in the earth or underwater. They're like in a perpetual daydreaming of the ego. Every fucking single popular mage turn to this shittiest life style, from selling books to saying that there are "short ways" to magic poke runyon turn to this side this early years and he doest need money, he just search for more ego inflation And the end of life of a lot of these guys are fucked up on bad luck, bad behaviour, illness or addictions or dogmatic approach of thing (ye like these nazfags of the nain angles and traditionalist bacause they can't get a cripto-christian occult philosophy in the inner hermeneutics of magic or a jew simbol in some corner) They're fucked up The whole magic turn around on this century into a full of egomaniacs Started from innocents that maybe just want to hang on communnity with other humans or the spirits of the body of light and just get turned into fucked up humans. The absolute point of greeks and christians into evocation, invocation, theosis, theoria, etc are philosopical objetive (and mystical maybe for christians) There' not searching for powers or religious and material objetives. The people dont get its like the're fucking dead with no soul and just want more until they die of emptyness. The magic turn into nothing bacause of that thinking, and the worst its is philosophy and morality around the threatise of talking to others get worst every day based on the ego. There're no secrets or jerarquies. The last part of how magic societies get broken its not about ego or elitism, its is aproach on worldview and dogma and brokened friendship based on that. The new agers are winning that point bacause they just mix everything (with same ego and around some dangerous pseudo-sciences and new tought cults) the chaoist maybe are keep trying in its empirical approach and world view in a healthy manner (and others into friend fraternities) but the solitaries anon just get fucked with the whole egoistic manner of magic. That's the ego inflation. And how they get there? The damn autors and books maybe, i dont know how but the real ones i met are absolute assholes. And i know some buddhish that are the same piece of the same cake of light of shit. Meditation fucked up they just more. They just ignore philosophy. Its like the admiration of crowley on his friend Allan Bennet getting the whole approach of magick in a beatiful way. >Your writing isn't poetic, it's disjointed.

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That the point. If i just writed a whole perfect text anyone gonna give nothing, the joke its now the overwhelming sense of non-conforming-culture-shock-attack of simple text cant pass the whole world of ideas in your entire world view (and in a cultural or political manner) The magic its the way of doing changing of thing but they never gonna try changing its whole world view bacause for them things cant change. How i sopposed to trust the magick thing of "act changing" if they have this ethos? They are saying in a act manner that there are NO changes. That how wars started. >zen master Im not that >it makes you stupid I sorry that, that's its. but you maybe get the point. For me, the whole point of this thread its how fucked up its the state of humanity and their inner world of egos. And still they maybe cant laugh or smile on ritual just for the boringness and seriousness. The buddhist are hitting children based on their "incorrect dharma behaviour" ignoring that they're childs. The Buddha was not infalible, same buddhist. and im not a zen master or guru of morality (these guy rarely help) Magic and meditation just worstened humans in some ugly manner. The lost of philosophy and empowering of meterial objetives just dehumanizing all. There're no more laugh, just large boring texts and greyface cursed guys to explain the ego death. Clearing non-local thinking waves.

>>6333 >I'm more curious in how to do any of that. >But how is it practised and what does doing magic even entail? See the rest of the threads on this board. The people who created this community have gone through great pains to make it as easy as possible for people like you to get started. When you ignore that to come into threads to complain about how you're not being spoonfed directly enough, it shows your immense disrespect and contempt for /fringe/ as a whole. I'm reminded of a certain other poster who went out of his way to immediately derail a productive thread here, justifying it by saying he didn't care at all about the spirit of this site. >>6334 >ceremonial magicians What? Ceremonial magic wasn't mentioned at all in this thread until now. I'm certainly not a ceremonial magician. It's starting to feel like you're projecting issues that you have with someone else entirely onto this thread. >They are not trained yo say "Maybe" or "Let's try that" or "Maybe some is truth and he not trolling me" You need to understand that the idea of "maybe magic is just confirmation bias" is one of the very first ideas that neophytes need to test and disprove. I spent a couple years testing and disproving it to my satisfaction. As have every single other serious practitioner on this board. Going to /fringe/ and saying "hey maybe magic isn't real guys" isn't deep or thought provoking or productive or interesting. I'm not disagreeing with you because I'm having a "heart attack", the things you're saying are just boring entry-level James Randi type nonsense. It's like a desert dweller trying to argue that fish aren't real. I've seen fish, I know they're real. >I just writing like the tipical tunnel-way of scientific perspective of thing *materialist perspective Which is based entirely in dogma. And, if you truly are a "chaoist", you should understand the nature of my objections instead of just going "haha I got a reaction". I actually am using the scientific perspective when discussing magic and apparently it's triggering some sort of beef you have with an unrelated group of ceremonial magicians (who, by the way, barely even post on this site). Would it make you feel better if I just made up nonsense words to describe these concepts instead? >For me, the whole point of this thread its how fucked up its the state of humanity and their inner world of egos. Funny because all I see is your massive ego projecting the obvious issues you have with completely unrelated groups and people onto innocent bystanders here. All the while masking it in this inauthentic post-ironic act that's poorly aped from Illuminatus and the Principia Discordia. Also quit with the drugs, they're turning you into a mule.

>>6335 I'm not asking "the rest of the board" that keeps propagating wildly contradicting views and a plethora of practices that I couldn't possibly all verify by myself just to find what works best. I'm asking you, the poster who talks about healing physical ailments and other tangible success. It's hardly "spoonfeeding" when there is no consensus.

Good thread OP and might chime in later once the retardation dissipates from it. >>6335 >he didn't care at all about the spirit of this site. Well about that. Our ban evader distraction is trying to become an archetypal force of fringe. The so called white pill. The white pill comic archetype was the average /b/-tard back in the good ol days. Damm I miss the times when /b/ was good.It was never good Ofc the term "white pill" got a completely new meaning in the last years. Once the doomer blackpill meme was born white pill became the opposite which is called as "hope pill" by newfags. Black and white are not colors. They are mere shades. They do not have substance. That is why white pill is empty. He has nothing says nothing. /fringe/ always had these retards. They never go away but some say they were one of those retards once and they have hope for them. Guess they are the true hope pills after all.

>>6339 Read The Kybalion for knowledge of basic occult concepts that are referenced in other books. After this, go through Initiation Into Hermetics and do the exercises and meditations. You can skip the cold showers, skin scrubbing, and asana. This will give you the mental focus and visualization skills necessary for astral manipulation. Spend at least 30 minutes every day on the exercises. Once you are finished with Step 3, which will probably take a year or more, you should be able to reliably use magic to produce physical results. From there you might want to drop Bardon for a different system if you find that he doesn't resonate with your perception of reality, but everything up to Step 4 has a pretty much universal fundamental usefulness regardless of your path. After you are able to do prolonged quiet mind meditation, you can start experimenting with other spells and techniques, using the visualization and image-projection skills that you are developing via IIH. Robert Bruce's Energy Work probably has the best techniques for personal healing and health improvement. This is what I used to cure my illnesses back when I was starting out, although now I'm able to use divination and channeling to speak directly to my body's spirits to see exactly what energetic movements they need to correct whatever has them upset. Charles Cosimano has good thoughtform techniques to use to influence people and systems. John Kreiter and W.W. Atkinson also have good stuff. You're just going to need to experiment and see what works for you. Use libgen for free books. There's also a library thread here >>1097

>>6335 >What? Ceremonial magic wasn't mentioned at all in this thread until now. You're not the anon that say get into this bacause of summoning? >>6330 >"performing objective thaumaturgy and physical evocations" >>6314 >"...that were plaguing me before I started magic" >"can manipulate the astral version of events to cause seemingly inescapable problems to immediately vanish like magic lol" At first i tought OP was just into mystic or some new age tought of astral but nope, maybe i just have hardcore confusion now. >>6340 The "pill" thing its just another shity modal way to divide and conquer, tipical of these memes. These thing just do more damage bacause just put tag between humans and the "newies" into the magic. That other of the problems of selfish of magic community and alone magicians. Back in time we just say newbie, posers (in negative way) or fluffbunnies (in a negative or sweet-friendship way) there are no more egoistic ways to troll the newbies, maybe the community can be bad. There are no more ways to call the new ones (yea maybe neo-pythes and others ways but that not my point here) I see these thing just like a new way into a identity politics of absolute retardation of communities like they do with that sex-genre-identity-race or pills of sex-appeal. I'm tired of this.

>>6343 I dont want fight but >The Kybalion That's not a Hermetics text That's a new tought bullshit of William Walter Atkinson. Its just a book of self-help with pseudo-metaphysics for people that need psychological help. It's help? Maybe, it more a psychological book of new tought with pop pre-new age ideas of pseudo-metaphysics than true hermetics. The text deceives people intro hermetic philosophie and cosmogony. Actually the kybalion contradict the hermetic philosophy. If you want read true hermetic philosophy better go read: >Emerald Tablet (there are various traslations) >Definitions of Hermes Trismegistus >Corpus Hermeticum >Asclepius >Poimandres >Discourse on the Eighth and NinthPrayer of Thanksgiving >Cyranides >Liber Hermetis (astrological) >Korē kosmou >The Book of the Secrets of the Stars >The Secret of Creation >Kitāb al-Isṭamākhīs >Liber Hermetis de alchemia and I can go on and on even though there are texts in Arabic. I'm not going to say anything about the rest of the stuff, my commentary was just about hermetics.

>>6329 >weed above cigarettes >>6334 >democratically elected socialist

>>6347 There some help Hyperlinks if you want >why not read the kybalion bullshit? https://digitalambler.com/2023/07/07/psa-faq-the-kybalion-is-not-a-hermetic-text/ https://arnemancy.com/articles/hermeticism/what-to-read-instead-of-the-kybalion/ >Some guide for texts https://arnemancy.com/articles/hermeticism/the-best-books-on-hermeticism/ https://digitalambler.com/2021/06/17/hermeticism-faq-part-i-overview-and-history/ https://digitalambler.com/2021/06/18/hermeticism-faq-part-ii-texts/ https://digitalambler.com/2021/06/19/hermeticism-faq-part-iii-doctrine/ https://digitalambler.com/2021/06/20/hermeticism-faq-part-iv-practice/ >That which is above is from that which is below, and that which is below is from that which is above. Good luck.

>>6348 >Weed Weed make your sons retard with congenital diseases. The pharmaceutical companies and goverment hides that. >Cigarrete Cigarrete additives make lung cancer and shit behaviour, your theeth and breath go worst every year. Your liver just turn bad and make a lot of more problems. And that it's just you, the other around you smoking shit bacause of your behaviour on addiction of chemicals give by companies are in the same way but in a passive manner. >Socialist >True Belief in the political system I see, Identity politics.

>>6343 Thank you very much. This is immensely helpful. I didn't expect Robert Bruce to be that useful for healing. John Kreiter always seemed to be on the right track in my opinion.

>>6314 >>6343 Based. I should be able to say I've managed all the things in the OP at this point, but the truth is I'm a coward and lazy.