No thanks. A lot of guys I knew who liked GG dropped out because of the puppies stuff.

I think best professional artist should be flooded with Nipponese artists. Put them between a rock and a hard place: Vote against "people of color" in favor white artist or no-award, or take the award from their friends and give it to a (deserving) Nipponese artist. It's a win for us and a loss for them either way.

>>314366 "I'll take 'Shit That Never Happened' for $500, Alex."

>>314366 The PRfag cucks maybe.

>>314360 Can anyone give me a quick description of what Sad puppies is all about?

>>314404 The majority of people who usually voted on Hugo Awards (writers, editors, big fans etc) are more of the SJW/liberal side. Angry cunts were very pissed off about this and recruited random people to nominate their own works in the Hugos. Basically people harvesting the hate against SJWs and multiculturalism for their own popularity.

>>314404 >Can anyone give me a quick description of what Sad puppies is all about? The normal comic book awards got taken over by SJWs who were banning books that triggered their fragile feelings. So people made an alternative award which is becoming more popular than the old one.

>>314413 The guy who organized it all actually refused nominations for himself. It was less about winning and more about proving that SJWs had rigged the game and would go to any length to keep anyone outside their clique from winning. Which they accomplished successfully last year when the Hugo voters handed out more "No Award" categories in one night than the rest of the award's history put together rather than see any Puppy nominees win something.

>>314413 >>314415 >>314418 Ok so sad puppies is voting bloc to influence the winners of the Hugo award which seems to be a big thing in the science fiction/fantasy crowd they want to nominate their own candidates to win because they believe it is rigged to the sjw leanings. ok i got it.

This puppies shit is so cringeworthy. Just SF e-celebs trying to feel important.

>>314426 https://archive.is/20150507212653/http://motherboard.archive.pls/read/its-about-ethics-in-revolution Reminder, this is a Hugo Award Winning Author. It's "GOOD" sci-fi. Like, objectively good. I mean, you may read it and cringe because it's on par with, say, MY IMMORTAL, but that's just your internalized misogyny, you fucking shitlord. >>314420 I forget how the voting breaks down, it was explained on some HoneyBadger live stream or other, but I believe the Hugos require a buy-in for every vote; so buying a bunch of votes and consolidating them based on community polls is essentially just further rigging an already-rigged system, and in the direction of putting more power in the hands of actual consumers than it otherwise allowed.

>>314426 >>314420 >triggered

>>314404 Sci-fi and fantasy literature is just a boys club full of cis white men (like gaming is) and they don't want women and minorities taking part (like gamers don't). This is 100% true (not a narrative) and needs no proof (Listen and Believe). All Hail Anita. ©SJW Sad Puppies is basically gg in the sci-fi/fantasy book world.

>>314368 Actually, what does a work have to do to qualify? We could spam manga!

>>314494 But CIS white men are a mnino>>314494 >Sci-fi and fantasy literature is just a boys club full of cis white men (like gaming is) and they don't want women and minorities taking part (like gamers don't). That is a paradoxical statement because CIS white men ARE a minority (less than 12% of the people on earth are CIS white males).

>>314420 Sad Puppies didn't advocate bloc voting -they basically said to their support 'vote for what you like'. >>314413 See >>314378

>>314360 All I really remember about sad puppies was a bunch of cucks and landwhales throwing tantrums about it. Which is more then enough for me to want whatever they did to happen again.

I've heard conflicting stuff about sad puppies. They sounded reasonable on the honey badgers, but I've also heard some pretty bad rhetoric coming from their leaders, and it comes off as personal army syndrome. What I haven't seen is any credible third party information that I can put trust in. So if anyone can show me what you got that'd be cool >inb4 telling me to Google it all my results are from NPR, and places that make NPR look like George Bush.Breitbart is nice, but hardly without an agenda

>>314912 >I've also heard some pretty bad rhetoric coming from their leaders They're all cool dudes and chicks except for that faggot Vox Day. Whom I only tolerate because he fights against the SJW cancer.

>>314912 >>314934 Bear in mind that there are two Puppies movements in the Hugos, "Sad Puppies" started by Correia and the splinter "Rabid Puppies" led by Vox Day. I suspect, though without knowing what you're referring to specifically, that most of the bad rhetoric you've seen were Rabid Puppies.

>>314945 >>314934 Yeah, I know of rabid puppies, and the story from the conversation I had was that sad pups had the same rhetoric on their site as rabids did, that being "women and minorities don't belong here" obviously this being months into gg at the time my red flags went up, I have definitely heard that shit before. Hell when I pointed out the fact that women were in SP I got the stock internal soggy knees response.

>>314948 > "women and minorities don't belong here" >one of my favourite sad puppies is a portuguee woman who said, "they call us reactionaries, but reactionaries fight the revolution. We are the revolution." >portuguee >woman

>>314366 Nice crock of shit you brought to the potluck, fag.

>>314986 Man people who grew up in the civil rights Era are blue pilled as fuck. Plus I'm around college types all the time. I can't even suggest that quotas are harmful to minorities without someone calling my language problematic

>>314366 HAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH Nice try, Scalzi

>>314948 And this year the leaders/organizers of Sad Puppies are all women. This is going to be an important point that SJWs are going to try and sweep under the carpet

>>314366 LOL what? Thats like those feminazis who claim that women are dropping out of science because some scientists made a sexist joke. Clearly you arent really committed in the first place if you drop out based on something so insignificant.

>>315047 This really butters my nipples

>>314432 Chomp chomp. I read that link -now I feel like I need to rinse my brain. The comment at the bottom is funny though. Keep pushing that narrative! -'patriarchy' -check -'straight white bros' -check -have a dig at GG -check Considering it's on a site posting about SFF and the Hugos and nothing to do with GG -still got to mention them evil gators! >This story looks like it was written by a middle-school kid on their first night getting high. I'll agree with that bit -only cos that's like the level it's at -they haven't progressed beyond it. As for 'deep' and 'clever' -pile of shite I thought. They do have an obsession with being seen as 'clever' -as being intellectual or academic -and go around telling everyone else this as if to prove it. It's why they have so many discussion groups. From the intro at the top - >This story…..does what SF does best: it uses speculation to shed light on the problems of the present… …..which is not what SF 'does best'. SF was visions of the future. Was -sometime ago, around the time of 2nd wave feminism, the progressives and feminists of the day enacted an earlier version of what's happening now in SFF. Writers that had gone before were viewed as out-of-date, old-fashioned -and effectively whitewashed out. These progs/fems knew better! They were modern! Their writings in SF began to move away from the visions of the future, replaced by… a reflection of the present. (This wasn't new -had been done before -but for progressives it became the 'new norm'.) Of course todays progs/fems don't do any research, or they willingly ignore what has gone before, so believe that things like 'SF…uses speculation to shed light on the problems of the present' is how it's always been.

Recent post from Larry Correia on the lefty bias in publishing: http://monsterhunternation.com/2016/02/10/left-wing-bias-in-publishing-your-wrongthink-will-be-punished/

>>320175 Boy, that sounds really familiar. 8 different news sites all posting the same talking points at the same time with the same sources and no fact checking? Does that remind anyone of anything?

I was at a Worldcon bid party at a convention a few weeks back, and everyone in attendance was in agreement that the Puppies controversy was a great thing. Not because anyone there was SJW or anti-SJW - but because thousands and thousands of people on both sides brought supporting memberships the last two years, and even more are buying it this year, so the last few Worldcons have went from scraping by to rolling in money. The SJWs in publishing might be horrified by this assault on their hegemony, but the SMOFs are laughing their asses off.

>>314388 >>314366 This is how you ID a shill slide. Remarks like this.

Don't forget the Rabid Puppies, for those who aren't just anti-SJW, but full on reactionary: http://voxday.blogspot.com/2016/03/rabid-puppies-2016-list.html https://archive.is/LVuih There are some interesting nominations on there. Some in particular will stand out to a sharp-eyed reader.

>>314360 The problem is worthless shits still pretending some fucking golden star is worth anything. You fix this problem by stopping these rigged fake award from happening at all.

>>320240 >There are some interesting nominations on there. Like SJW faggotry such as Stephen King and Life Is Strange?

>>320272 You didn't notice Chuck Tingle? And this nomination pretty effectively proves that Life is Strange isn't the SJW propaganda vehicle that non-gamers assumed when they saw the blue-haired best friend.

>>314366 I wonder who keeps making this the first reply to SP threads

Bumped from below - reminder that this year's Hugo Awards takes place on Sat 20th August. Here's some recent-ish (both 26th April) articles on the nominees - Breitbart: 'Sci-Fi's Hugo Awards Swept By Anti-SJW Authors - Again!' - http://archive.is/LDYht and the Grauniad: 'Hugo awards shortlist dominated by rightwing campaign' - http://archive.is/smj23 No idea how it will play out this time around, but get the popcorn ready and expect there to be salt salt salt.

Bump

Hugos in a week - so it appears twatter is getting in early and already shadowbanning Sad Puppies supporters - http://www.breitbart.com/tech/2016/08/02/reports-hugo-nominated-author-shadowbanned-twitter/ Meanwhile, original Puppy Brad Torgersen has a post about 'The Problem' in SFF - https://bradrtorgersen.wordpress.com/2016/08/05/addressing-the-problem/ You already know what The Problem is - exactly the same thing sjws have been saying about GG. The first link in that is to The Verge -their article is about (another) diversity report -here's the archive instead - http://archive.is/TQj6a >write what the market wants is code for white characters and white stories. It's all the markets fault now.

Larry Correia's response to the Fireside report about (lack of) diversity in sci-fi publishing - http://monsterhunternation.com/2016/08/08/fisking-the-latest-diversity-in-sci-fi-freak-out/ Again the post links to the Verge article - archive here >>326581 Funny thing about this is that the report is criticizing the SFF publishers for their failure at diversity. In the US, aside from Baen Books, all the big publishers have been controlled by the Left for years and years - the Lefty political bias in the industry was why the Sad Puppies came about in the first place (sjws seem to think the Puppies came out of nowhere just to spite them). The report focuses on magazine publishing -which falls under book publishing by profession -see pic via: http://verdantlabs.com/politics_of_professions/ In the main, the Left control the publishers and the Left shout 'We're for diversity!' - their own report says there isn't any. Oops.

Really long and really thorough 'essay' (a really long essay) on what's been happening in SFF - http://www.jamesmaystock.com/essays/Pages/DeathofSF.html It is really long -not least that's only part 1 (part 2 is linked at top + bottom) - is a good read -even in instalments if you've not got time all in one go.

Hugo Awards today! (20th Aug) Grab some popcorn + prepare for salt!

>>326809 Really? Ah fuck, I missed my flight home so I won't be able to properly catch up on it until at least tomorrow. I was hoping to get some rest when I got back, but I see that the happenings have already started.

Hugos . . . 2 awards presented - followed by no award. Surprise!

Tangent editor Dave Truesdale kicked out of Worldcon for opposing censorship. Details not in yet. https://twitter.com/GRIMACHU/status/767074585414098945 https://voxday.blogspot.com/2016/08/dave-truesdale-culturally-enriches.html http://jimhines.livejournal.com/853024.html

This just about sums up this years Hugos.

>only actual choice Choochoo delivers some right-think.

Hugos round up: Couple of No Awards - including applause for No Awards - sjw declaring victory + the Puppies losers, winning speeches containing the words 'diversity', 'oppression', 'privilege' and follow up articles on how the 'right-wing' failed to sabotage the awards. You could have written that any time in the last 12 months. Tweet quoted in the pic is telling: >genre changes The genre is Science Fiction and Fantasy, sjws think it should be sociopolitical commentary. That's a different genre.

I can't tell. Did we win? Explain our victory.

>>326869 According to sjws, Sad Puppies lost - completely missing the point about what the Puppies stand for. Author Larry Correia set up Sad Puppies to show that the Hugos had become more about political bias than a book award. Either unaware of this or willfully ignoring it, sjws continue to spout gender politics and all reaction to them is shouted down as right wing activism - completely proving Sad Puppies point. This year Sad Puppies was led by 3 women, but, seen as inconvenient, this has been overlooked by the media - who would make themselves look bad by attacking 3 women - instead focusing on Vox Day who runs the Rabid Puppies. The 2 Puppy groups work independently of each other but sjws have lumped them all together in order to push the right wing/MRA/etc narrative. Sjws are still at it on social media - virtue signalling and banging on about how the Puppies lost and linking to all the articles that have since appeared in a massive 'We won! Diversity yay! Right wing boo!' circlejerk. Most of these sjws probably have no idea that the Sad Puppies was run by 3 women this year -they only read their own biased media who won't print that part of the story. Point any of this out to sjws and the response is → see pic. A Sad Puppies 'win' is showing the Hugos has become about politics over sci-fi books -sjws still can't see that. After last years Hugo meltdown you'd think sjws would do things differently (anyone else would), but sjws lose again.

>>326870 Maybe next year we should focus on a victory condition that doesn't require multiple paragraphs to explain how it is a victory?

>>326875 >According to sjws, Sad Puppies lost - completely missing the point about what the Puppies stand for. >A Sad Puppies 'win' is showing the Hugos has become about politics over sci-fi books That's all the explanation. the rest is a summary of the whole for faggots + lurkers who want a bit more background/context. Here's a bit more guff: Regarding the Hugos, sjws think the 'battle' is about which authors win an award - sjw approved or Puppy approved. When it's all sjw approved award winners, they claim victory and shout about how the Puppies lost. The Sad Puppies don't care about this - they're looking at the bigger picture - in that the whole awards are politically biased - and said that it's just a bonus if any Puppy nominated author wins an award. Sjws do everything from a political standpoint and think because they do, then everyone else does too - hence they think -or rather assert - that the Sad Puppies are all acting from a right-wing stance, not an apolitical one. As for the Hugos 2017, so it goes, the sj clique have changed the rules to weigh more heavily in their own favour - further reinforcing the point of the Puppies.

>>326884 Forgot this bit- Neil Gaiman won an award for Sandman Overture -he didn't attend but the winners speech he wrote was read out - including the part saying that anyone calling themselves 'Puppy' was a 'sad loser'. Doubtful if he knows anything about the Sad Puppies -or that this years was run by 3 women -and is just parroting the socjus party line, but shoe on the other foot : Imagine if someone - a man - at an awards show called 3 sjw women 'sad losers' - talk about colossal outrage. There would be misogyny articles every day for weeks - and that'd just be from the Guardian, never mind all the others.

It'l be hard to top the lulz of this year's Hugo awards

>>326884 >Gamergate tarot Unrelated to the thread, but is there a series on this? This is relevant to my interests.

>>326914 Now you mention it, aside from the GG comic strip, I've not really seen any GG series pics. Don't know of any multiple pics of the same theme either -say like a set of 'Vivian 4 seasons of the year' or something. All I've got are one off pics. Ask around, post in the draw thread -someone always knows more.

>>326928 Dammit posting a reply about pics and not posting a pic. GG pics all (almost all) on currently defunct other machine -it went green screen (thanks Microshaft).

>>314366 epin baitpasta oldfriend

Following the Hugos is the much bigger scifi event Dragoncon - with it's own Dragon Awards. http://dragoncon.org/ With the Hugos still very much controlled by socjus, talk on social media is that the Puppies, and scifi/fantasy fans in general, may as well ditch the Hugos altogether and turn to the Dragon Awards instead. Aside from books + comics, the awards include film, tv and games. Voting is also open to anyone, not just members. http://awards.dragoncon.org/2016/04/04/official-press-release/ May end up that while sjws carry on their own Hugos circlejerk, everyone else moves elsewhere.

>>327064 Fuck that. Why not participate in both?

>>327131 Do what you like. Sjws have shown this year and last that, with the Hugos, if you're not singing from the socjus songbook you don't get a look in. The awards are already losing their prestige. It's also up to individual fans whether they can afford it -voting in the Hugos requires paying a membership fee - for the Dragon Awards voting is free.

>>327157 >with the Hugos, if you're not singing from the socjus songbook you don't get a look in That's the entire point. The campaign is all about exposing that the Hugos are run by an ideological clique that don't vote on merit but aim for ideological conformity and the nepotistic support of their friends. Every time the Hugo slate is filled with a wide range of quality authors that either aren't friends with the clique or don't agree with them politically, it exposes the SJWs when burn down their own award to stop people with different political beliefs from getting a look in. I don't see any reason to just give the SJWs a free pass to be bigots. Make them live up to their own purported standards or eat shit at every opportunity that you can.

>>327196 Yeh I hear you - I was thinking of the longer time-frame, with the Hugos being a yearly event. 'The sjws only award themselves' is another message to spread. They'll lose relevance, sow the seeds of their own downfall. Authors are already wising up to it, just takes time. It used to be that sticking 'Hugo Award Winner' on a book meant an increase in sales -now I see a lot more comments like 'If it says Hugo winner, I avoid it.' Sjws like to think they can control the medium via publishing -but the rise of indie/self-publishing negates that -authors can create their own success (and sell way more books than the socjus clique). For those who don't know, self-publishing has been largely spear-headed by Amazon - authors can write what they want -and to socjus, this makes Amazon the Devil.

>>314415 A lot of these people involved in sad puppies were proto-SJWs themselves. I'm from the gun part of the internet. Places like thehighroad were being colonized by SJWs and a bunch of them became mods, then started turning their shit tier fiction into books, networking with each other to get publishing deals. Now they're suddenly "anti-sjw" but I can show you guys some crazy shit from the old TheHighRoad days

>>327239 I'm pretty much of the opinion that Sadpuppies and Rabidpuppies are separate groups at this point. SPs are the ones with better PR, and RPs are the anti-SJWs.

>>327271 Sad Puppies and Rabid Puppies always were separate groups. It's only the media that lumps them together to spin a certain story. SP is a mix of people, whereas RP is basically Vox Day's own platform.

Winners of the Dragon Awards have been announced today - Best Science Fiction Novel - Somewhither: A Tale of the Unwithering Realm by John C. Wright Best Fantasy Novel - Son of the Black Sword by Larry Correia Best Young Adult/Middle Grade Novel - The Shepherd’s Crown by Terry Pratchett Best Military Science Fiction or Fantasy Novel - Hell’s Foundations Quiver by David Weber Best Alternate History Novel - League of Dragons by Naomi Novik Best Apocalyptic Novel - Ctrl Alt Revolt! by Nick Cole Best Horror Novel - Souldancer by Brian Niemeier Best Comic Book - Ms. Marvel Best Graphic Novel - The Sandman: Overture by Neil Gaiman Best Science Fiction or Fantasy TV Series - Game of Thrones – HBO Best Science Fiction or Fantasy Movie - The Martian Best Science Fiction or Fantasy PC/Console Game - Fallout 4 by Bethesda Softworks Best Science Fiction of Fantasy Mobile Game - Fallout Shelter by Bethesda Softworks Best Science Fiction of Fantasy Board Game - Pandemic: Legacy by ZMan Games Best Science Fiction or Fantasy Miniatures/Collectible Card/Role Playing Game - Call of Cthulhu Roleplaying Game (7th edition) by Chaosium Inc. That was today's news. Tomorrow's news - in response to this - will consist of salt, virtue signalling, white knighting, links to the Guardian, etc . . . Also derisory hashtags on social media, probably containing the word 'white'.

>>327239 >Now they're suddenly "anti-sjw" but I can show you guys some crazy shit from the old TheHighRoad days Nu? What are you waiting for? Show.

>>327636 >Best Science Fiction or Fantasy PC/Console Game - Fallout 4 by Bethesda Softworks I CANNOT CONTAIN MY FUCKING RAGE I DON'T KNOW HOW THE FLYING FUCK THESE FUCKING MORONS CAN FUCKING JUSTIFY THAT THERE WAS A FUCKING SYNTH RECLAMATION DEPARTMENT THAT TOOK UP A FOURTH OF THE FUCKING INSTITUTE AND THAT MAKES NO FUCKING SENSE ACTUALLY THAT ENTIRE REBEL SYNTH THING MAKES NO FUCKING SENSE AND THEY WANT TO SAY THAT THIS IS GOOD SCIENCE FICTION???? BULL FUCKING SHIT

>>327787 I haven't played it and don't plan too - what didn't make sense about it?

>>314432 archive got deleted?

>>327221 >It used to be that sticking 'Hugo Award Winner' on a book meant an increase in sales -now I see a lot more comments like 'If it says Hugo winner, I avoid it.' I wonder if there's a way to market that. Start putting stickers on all the "losers" books. Maybe: "Didn't get a Hugo, so probably a good book." or "Got a Hugo No-award" I'd make it a personal point to buy the books they avoided.

>>327883 It's here: http://archive.is/CwNUN Still as bad. >>327884 'No Award' stickers is a great idea. Baen Books might do it -probably not the other publishers.

>>327969 >'No Award' stickers is a great idea. Castalia House (aka. Vox Day's publishers) might actually go for it. Should raise this idea to them.

Some literary related nonsense so posting here. Ausfags may have caught this one -from the Brisbane Writers Festival -where author Lionel Shrivers delivered a speech - 'Fiction and Identity Politics' - basically calling out the idea of cultural appropriation and hoping it's just a 'passing fad'. And . . . . triggered. Unsurprisingly there was a backlash from snowflakes for this heinous wrongthink -one of them walked out during the speech -and then wrote an article about it in the Guardian: http://archive.is/W34Nr -The intro of which is kind of 'all about me'. Turns out some of the snowflakes were reacting having not heard the speech - well gosh - which then turned up, also in the Grauniad, a few days later: http://archive.is/TRyZg Worth a look - especially if you've not heard about the sombreros.

>>328134 >The stench of privilege hung heavy in the air Someone wrote that.

>>328135 Sounds like a Hugo award winner.

>>328134 My god, this writer - and her editor - are so out of touch she contradicts herself in her summary: > The opening of a city’s writers festival could have been graced by any of the brilliant writers and thinkers who challenge us to be more. To be uncomfortable. Yet she wrote this entire rant - which the Grauniad dutifully published - because the speaker challenged her and made her uncomfortable.

>>328136 Smell your privilege.

Dumping this link here. Just a heads up. Although not recently updated this was/is not a site by the Sad Puppies - http://blog.sadpuppies.org/ Keep an eye out for false flags like this - they'll probably still turn up in searches even if the site is no longer used. Guessing there's similar sites out there - whether related to gg, games/gamers in general, or the puppies or comics etc - either set up just for trolling - or by shills trying to spread disinfo.

>>320272 >Erin Dies Alone What? Why?

How to Revisionism - preaching (history) to the choir here - 'The Rise of Science Fiction from Pulp Mags to Cyberpunk.' http://archive.is/NA5Fa [All text no pics] It covers quite a lot but then throws in the usual mix of 'privileging' 'gender roles' 'toxic effects of capitalism' etc. -everything through the lens of muh feminism. Hints of 'maturity' and of being seen to be grown up too - that'll do it. Also 'male or female or gender fluid' - at which point some brain cells gave up. Gender fluid = stuff that squirts out of humans. I've already made that association - too late now.