There's definitely people here, like nepianon, who will plug their ears and just disregard any example of a child growing up and no longer being okay with what happened, but I think a lot of anons really do want to think over these things and consider what would have to happen to avoid that result and if that's truly practical to aim for In my opinion, society as it is, forming a sexual relationship with a child is undue risk without much benefit. You can raise them to have a healthy and open outlook on sexuality and be more willing to discuss the topic with you without personally engaging in any sexual activity. Meanwhile, actually having sexual interaction with them could cause a negative result later down the line, for no additional benefit over the non-interactive route. But I expect some disagreement. Please, elaborate. I want to hear this stuff out respectfully.

>>4140 Can you stop desperately trying to smear me for five seconds you sick kike prick.

>Do you think you can, realistically, have a harmless sexual relationship with a child? Yes >What's the minimum This is a hard answer to give succinctly, but let's start with society not seeing me as a subhuman monster for something I have literally zero control over. Homosexuals in the middle east have it easier than pedos have it here. >do you think it's better for the child to have a sexual relationship than not to have one? "the child"? If you are asking about all children that exist, then no I wouldn't make a blanket statement like that seriously. It obviously comes down to the individual and their circumstances just like most other things. If you are talking about a specific child, elaborate. In general the issue is less that children should have sex and more that they should have the freedom to choose. And not just sex, many other things as well. Children are not the property of adults and should have agency and control over their own bodies. Think about the fact that a child cannot say no to medical care that their legal guardian signed off on. Do you think that's good for them? It's a much wider issue than what the focus tends to be. I'd love to have a more in depth talk with you. Ask me questions! >>4140 >starts post with an insult against a poster who wasn't even itt >vague "it could have a bad result so it should never happen" I'm going to give you the benefit of the doubt and respectfully go through some points that have been done to death already: Inherent harm is a myth Feelings of abuse stem from societal gaslighting The majority of sexual abuse against children is not commited by pedophiles Now to turn this around, you can say what you are saying about basically any group. You could replace the word "child" in your post with "woman", "man", or any ethnicity, and it would still make sense from the second paragraph onward. This means it doesn't say anything at all, no matter who you are talking about you can say this.

>>4149 >giving him the benefit of the doubt Take a look at the despicable shit he said in the discussion thread, it's undeserved.

>>4154 Yeah I'll be honest shilling that hard for circumcision and implying that there is any debate at all that multilating genitals is for "the best interest" of the baby isn't really defensible.

>>4156 He hates nepis and wants to throw nepis under the bus, it's his entire personality.

>>4149 >If you are talking about a specific child, elaborate. I guess I intended it as an abstract "average" child, with any specificity anons think they need to be clarified by them as qualifiers of their statements. >Think about the fact that a child cannot say no to medical care that their legal guardian signed off on. Do you think that's good for them? Sometimes yes, sometimes no. Adults may often be better informed of what a child needs, but they are not infallible, and often the child is asked if the care being offered is alright with them, with the guardian explaining why it's important. Not because it's legally necessary, but because they think it'll help the child if they're guided into medical situations and feel as comfortable as possible. >inherent harm is a myth And not required to support the post, because: >Feelings of abuse stem from gaslighting Therefor there is risk >say this about any group I'm inclined to say consensual sex with any other group doesn't have near as high a rate of causing problems, doesn't have a societal gaslight issue, and also has more emotional maturity to handle society telling them things. People can be screwed up by surprising things, but they're different situations. >>4156 I don't think there is any reason for circumcision to exist. Was there any reason given?

Seeing as theres been harmless sexual relationships with children in the past and its only recently(on the scale of human societies) become taboo I think that yes its entirely possible. The western society that exists currently though is not a suitable one for such relationships to take place for a myriad of reasons. One of which is her being traumatized by having her first love taken away from her and imprisoned never to be seen again and then forced into "therapy" that just amounts to instilling a sense of victimhood and distrust of men into them. So yes society would have to change quite drastically in order for me to see relationships with them as a good idea.

>>4156 I never "shilled for circumcision", what would give you that interpretation?

>>4162 All of the shilling for circumcision.

>>4163 Point out any instance of it and I'll explain how its not.

>>4164 >>4163 I'm going to make a single, calm request that you discuss that in the thread it comes from

>>4165 Fair enough.

>>4165 That's a faggy thing to do.

>>4161 This

>>4181 I really don't think theres enough disagreement on this subject to make much of this thread. The board would need more genuine predators and those are a lot rarer than people think. Though the hint of permissiveness of incestual relationships with your own children from that one thread is a little concerning to me. Just because we're lampooned as being immoral doesn't mean we have to embrace everything immoral. for example I still think we should adhere to religious traditions for the most part because they've stood the test of time for a reason. Serious monogamous relationships that last a life time should be the way things are. This hedonistic attitude that exists in the west today would be nothing but detrimental to the wellbeing of children if pedophiles were engaging in sex with them as nonchalantly as normalfags engage in sex with eachother today. In my eyes you just have to deal with the sad fact that you'll only be attracted to your wife for a small fraction of your time together, thats just the unfortunate nature of our affliction, just as gays are unable to put a butt baby into eachother. To shirk that responsibility and instead act as the predator we're lambasted as preying on the virginities of as many girls as possible is the kind of disgusting behavior that if permitted contributes to the destruction of the society that allows it. So I think a push for pedo acceptance must come as a result of returning to tradition and it has to be the right wing pushing for it. Because if the left wing is the one to do it then kids would just be dogpiled by dicks and it would only further the collapse of society as it only exacerbates the existing issues rather than addressing them. Sure "free love" with as many little girls as humanly possible sounds pretty good in the short term but its long term consequences are dire, that is not the way we want to go about things if we have a care at all for our own childrens future.

>>4183 Just because someone's a pedo doesn't mean they're a sadist, and I really, really hate sadists. Pedos are heros like comic book characters who have to hide their identities. Some pedos though are like villains, who also have to hide their identities. These good pedos and bad pedos are and always have been at odds. Sadist bad pedos need to learn to shake in their boots when good pedos are around. And good pedos need to learn to stand up to the bad pedos, and put them in their place.

>>4183 >we should adhere to religious traditions for the most part because they've stood the test of time for a reason I agree with your conclusion, to follow religious traditions, but your reasoning doesn't hold water to me. "We've been doing it a long time, so it must be good" seems like some kind of fallacy. Though, results speak to the efficacy, so it's not entirely fallacious. Is religion a key factor there, or is it something else? What about past societies that have wildly different values? Mulling over this line of thinking feels like the start of a thesis paper in college. There probably is some resource analyzing whatever is possible to determine how healthy and successful societies are and what cultural and resource factors contribute to compare them to each other >we're lambasted as preying on the virginities of as many girls as possible I know a lot of people like that, especially while I was in high school, I've never heard of it as a pedo thing though.

>>4183 Fuck religion. Lgs do imaginary friends better. >>4186 Sadists belong in the ground.

>>4187 The fact that its even possible to do it for that long of a time goes to show that its good. Do you think the west could sustain the way its being run now for as long as various religions have sustained their societies? Because to me they look like they're collapsing as the existing populace fails to breed and in an effort to combat that collapse they're importing a new populace en masse that will just cause a huge cultural shift that will inevitably result in a total change in how the country is run anyways. Its like evolution, the animals that haven't changed for millions of years are clearly onto something that works.

>>4210 >The fact that its even possible to do it for that long of a time goes to show that its good. full retard

>>4224 Are you telling me circumcision isn't good just because kikes have been doing it for so long? Inconceivable!

>>4234 /s

>>4234 If a totalitarian commie regime reduces all humanity to a slave caste under its constant tyrannical rule and subjugation and uses 24/7 universal surveillance and drugged food to bully or sedate everyone into compliance and it lasts 1000 years then it's kosher and you basically are btfo because the system works.

also >it's like evolution as a defense for religion is funny not JUST because tons of religions pretend evolution isn't a thing but also because the argument an evolved species lasted X long so it's golden now is kind of countered by the fact almost all species on Earth have gone extinct even if they were around for millions and millions of years eventually. Because the circumstances around them change, which is why lolreligion won't work now like it has. Circumstances change, religious explanations aren't the best ones and most of the persuasive power is gone. The only religions that keep strangleholds on the populace do so through escalating draconian measures like Islam.

>>4139 Absolutely, and my proof is that i have and still am in one and have been for almost 6 years now

I'm going to play the devil's advocate here and say that adult-child relationships only stem from the child feeling isolated within society. The relationship is caused by a problem, and it's not necessarily a solution to the problem, so there's nothing intrinsically virtuous about it, and "acceptance" is like denying the problem that caused it in the first place.

>>4319 what the fuck are you talking about

>>4322 adult-child relationships, it appears

>>4323 I was more referring to the fucking retarded and weird generalization that forms the premise for your post.

>>4324 i'm not making any generalizations, I'm just observing the content of the post. I'm making summations.

>>4324 How is it a weird generalization? Children will always relate better to other children than they will to adults. Children who don't believe this just don't interact enough with other people, and doing anything that feeds into their belief that they're "different" is taking advantage of them.

>>4354 >I'm gonna asspull baseless nonsense and base my argument on it for multiple posts Are you the anti-nepi kike or is this just a coincidence and we've got multiple free-range retards?

>going to play Devil's Advocate here >Are you a kike retard? Such is life Personally I appreciate the attempt to consider another perspective just for the sake of argument.

>>4356 The perspective is the perspective of a retarded kike. Especially when it's all founded on >adult-child relationships only stem from the child feeling isolated within society. Which is just an asspull claim based on nothing. If you don't agree with me, kill yourself.

>>4357 This is actually a bit too far and I would only say that if you don't agree with me, rearrange your beliefs so that you do, but continue living so that you can echo my statements from this point forward in lockstep compliance.

>>4354 Just from personal experience of being a child I can tell you definitively that this is not true. In addition, from working with children as an adult I can also say this is not true. Human beings are not born into the world with any knowledge. They don't know how to move, speak, interact, etc etc. Their consciousness literally begins collecting information the moment they are born, if not sooner. Children don't only need to learn academic subjects to succeed, they need to learn communication skills and socialization skills and many other things. From other children, they can at best learn some of the basics through trial and error at a very early age. However, socialization and language quickly become much too complex to effectively figure things out from trial and error past a basic level. For this reason, children latch onto adults they trust, starting with their parents. Babies learn to speak, walk, and many other basic tasks by watching adults. Children often copy adults when they interact amongst themselves, either to solve problems or appear more mature as a form of posturing. Children form relationships that last for their entire lives with adults at the age of 5, how many people still talk to their friends from that time? Children are drawn towards adults by instinct for protection and learning. It makes sense that this would be their instinct, because you can't learn how to do much from somebody who also doesn't know, regardless of whether you are learning how to hunt mammoths or share your toys. This is also part of why sexual adult-child relationships are beneficial, but that seems to be beyond the scope of the current topic.

>>4361 >Babies learn to speak, walk and many other basic tasks babies are based

>>4139 https://news.detik.com/berita/d-5577561/anak-anggota-dprd-bekasi-serahkan-diri-ke-polisi-ini-penampakannya >have wife and child >rape a 15yo In Indonesia he can get married by law to her. 2 wives and 1 of them in middle schooler. Fuck your hentai this Is real based. What are you gonna make me do?

>>4370 >death penalty for smoking an weed not worth

>>4370 Elaborate on the laws of this land

>>4378 rape is fine but every substance is banned all of the people are ugly, fat and retarded (this is a law, and they all follow it) some dumbass religion is mandatory or something iirc (who cares, shitskins) apparently they also fuck grannies

>>4383 >every substance alcohol and tobacco? medicine? >religion is mandatory how on earth is that enforced? >all of the people are ugly, fat and retarded this describes a lot of places

>>4390 I dunno about other substances but weed being the death penalty was retarded enough for me to write it off. I mean it's not even that I can't not dude weed lmao because I don't, but if your populace is willing to make simple private possession of some shit like that punishable by death then I'm not gonna go there when I don't have to. >how on earth is that enforced? probably more killing people I would imagine >this describes a lot of places yes

>>4403 Sounds like a shitty place that sucks to live in. I'm pretty sure that indonesia is a big party destination though. I wouldn't know, because I'm poor and loud noises scare me so I dont go to parties.

>>4406 For what it's worth I have never been there once or known anyone from there, merely having heard of the drug prohibition and being somewhat vaguely familiar with the demographics and ethnic composition and the implications of that (as seen by someone who views the majority of non-Ethnic Europeans as outright subhuman - so a fair and unbiased view.)

>>4361 How does having sex with somebody allow you to learn better from them? Greek moment.

>>4411 Intimacy is cool, humans enjoy it sometimes. Antis would rather no one did, of course. Adults and children can learn things closely together, just not this one arbitrary thing that upsets them.

>>4412 Intimacy leads to the most open conversations ever. Post sex, it's like people can't help but be honest.

>>4139 >Do you think you can, realistically, have a harmless sexual relationship with a child? Yes. pic 1 related >If you think something societally needs to change first, what's the minimum in your opinion? Feminism needs to end. Or at the very least, Anthony's virtues need to be promoted in lieu of what Stanton gave us. Either way, age-of-consent laws come directly from old women using the law in order to increase their own diminishing sexual market value, and they will tell any lie, victimize any person, in order to maintain the status quo. >do you think it's better for the child to have a sexual relationship than not to have one? Depends on the child and depends on the relationship. "A sexual relationship" is a broad definition that can include everything from loving consent to straight-up blackmail in exchange for sexual favors. I do think the demonization of sex and the continued infantilization of people has done much harm and very little, if any, good for society. pics 2 and 3 related

>>4419 I normally do the 'it's a girl child oh nooooo it's cp because acid is retarded and doesn't understand laws haha right guys' joke but Eunice would be 93 if she was still alive and this picture is fucking ancient and as wholesome as anything I've ever seen, plus it took place in Sneedville TN and we all know how much newfags (read: gamergays) love their sneeds and their chucks, so this image should be kosher, goyim.

>>4419 >pic 1 related I'd be interested if anyone wants to elaborate on eunice and charlie, I don't know anything about it >3rd pic Those papers sound interesting, has anyone here read them?

>>4411 Sexual intimacy deepens connections with people. Even in degenerate hookup culture people still "catch feelings". The adult gets a satisfying release, and the child gets a release + learns about sexuality which will be an important aspect of their entire life. It also deepens the bond between the two, and incentivizes the adult to provide and care for the child more which is advantageous to children (because they need to be provided for and protected to survive). Sex in the human animal is not just for reproduction, there are other species that also have sex for other reasons as well.

>>4419 I haven't read the papers, but I certainly agree that sex negative cultures don't seem to have a fantastic track record. We have tons of historical examples and the civilizations that last the longest seem to be the ones that are the least bothered by sex. Repression in the sexual respect seems to overwhelmingly lead to declining birth rates, dangerously low knowledge of people's own bodies, and unhealthy "sexual deviants" who will do bad things out of desperation. For god's sakes, just allowing porn literally drops the rate of sexual assault dramatically. If that little change can make such a difference, imagine if we stopped shaming people for loving each other entirely.

>>4436 > We have tons of historical examples and the civilizations that last the longest seem to be the ones that are the least bothered by sex I haven't thought about this very much, but it occurs to me I've been told the opposite yet am only aware of examples to support it... Namely Rome. They had pretty open sexuality with young boys, don't know about the girls at all. The Roman civilization lasted a truly incredible span of time. Even moreso if you consider that, when it existed, the Byzantines were still called The Roman Empire. Their name we know them as is from after the fact. And when disregarding sex with young boy, they were quite open about sex in general. I especially like how graffiti so frequently talks about sexual experiences. But besides Rome, I don't know much about the history of sex. I do not have the impression sexual openness was much different in much of civilization than it was a hundred years ago. It's complicated now, but that seems recent. I wouldn't suppose sex would correlate to the strength of civilization. >sex negative culture doesn't seem great I can't think of any way it can benefit society besides stifling STD spread, just like any repression of acts between people stifles any disease spreading I'm very detached from the concept of STDs. It's one of those things where "it hasn't happened to me or anyone I personally know, so it doesn't feel like it'll ever happen." But actually come to think of it, a friend of mine did get clamydia some years back. She was friends with benefits with a spic that slept around. Well, nothing bad happened to me. Before I quit sex altogether, I was only have monogamous relations. And on that note, though I think sex negativity doesn't do anybody any good, I do think monogamy is generally the best choice, to the extent of having one single sexual partner at a time. I wouldn't be able to back this up with anything, but it feels right, to me, for people to pair up like that. When you get less general, and start asking about various circumstances, maybe I'd think otherwise for those cases, but overall it seems like mono is good.

>>4431 Eunice and Charlie were based and their relationship was based and they stayed together forever, were buried next to one another and had a bunch of kids. It's the kind of story you tell to jewish children to frighten them, the gentiles living happily without them.

>>4438 I think I agree overall that monogamy or at most very limited polygamy is the ideal. As for sex positive cultures, before the romans there were also the greeks. There were several pagan cultures that lasted for hundreds of years iirc. There were many native american tribes which were sex positive as well, and they were going strong for the most part even up to westward expansion in the US. I think one issue is that people conflate "sex positive" with "sleeping around like it means nothing". The latter has never really been accepted, even in the glorious roman empire which was very open about sex, because that behavior is also damaging, indicative of mental issues, and as you mentioned spreads disease. What sex positivity really is, in a healthy form, is first and foremost the opposite of sexual repression. Not promiscuity, but openness. A modern sex positive culture would have better sex education much earlier, would have people more comfortable displaying affection in public (like kissing or even hand holding, which can be seen as bad in public in the states), and would allow people to experiment and explore their bodies, feelings, and attractions without judgement. I personally think it would also be accepting of non-hetero sexuality as well, but I'm sure someone could contradict me on that point.

>>4440 Check out these singles that say pedo marriage is based

>>4443 and then these quads that say fuck antis and love lgs

>>4444 nice and good

>>4443 based singles >>4444 based quads >>4446 based checker of based digits

>>4447 >hip to be square >320x240 resolution I am mildly upset

>>4448 good

>>4449 :(

>>4450 :))))))))))))

>>4452 :DDD

>>4139 >Do you think you can, realistically, have a harmless sexual relationship with a child? yes. every single "negative" to adult-child relations is socially constructed and psychologically engineered to keep men enslaved to overage whores, because they are inferior and they need a way to enslave men. there is no natural, biological reason why an adult-child relationship wouldn't work. its all moralfag "feel good" bullshit about ruining their innocence and whatnot. women cannot survive without men, the only leverage they have is vagina. But what if men could get any vagina they wanted? obviously, men would pick the younger, tighter option, leaving overage whores with nothing but basic-bitch tier of servitude (cooking, cleaning, etc.) as leverage, which by the way, a child can also perform, at least during the times you're not pumping their cunnies full of cum. So, to keep you working, paying taxes, and breeding the future generation of slaves, the powers-that-be implement more and more draconian laws about what you are and arent allowed to put your dick into, while coating it in a layer of moral frosting just so that retards and women feel good about it. everyone is a hypocrite and when you point it all out and lay it bare for them to see they react violently and with mob mentality.

>>4469 based

>>4469 extremely based

I think the normalfag concept of innocence being damaged by sex is ultra retarded, it's just expressed via inexperience, then the kid learns like with exposure to anything from inexperience. Kids can do way more complicated shit, but normalfags are all convinced sex is somehow especially incomprehensible to kids when kids can learn calculus and shit. Benis in bagina is not complicated.

>>4475 It makes absolutely no sense. There have been competent rulers of countries and successful military leaders who would be considered young children today. Less than 150 years ago there were 13 year olds serving as officers in the british navy. Until the great depression "children" operated heavy machinery and did the same work as adults. until just a couple of decades ago kids could fucking navigate city streets delivering papers in the midst of gang wars and other kinds of violence. Now all of a sudden people as old as 16 are basically clinically retarded. But surely it's because they are young, and not because of anything about how society has changed? Perhaps the solution is to infantalize people even more and until an older age. For gods sakes im in my mid twenties and there are still people who treat me like a mentally-handicapped child. I hope collapse comes soon.

>>4477 basically

>>4477 >tfw you were born too late or perhaps too early to be ordered to your death by your loli general Why even enlist?

>>4526 >edgelord weabshit

>>4527 Pot calling the kettle black you waifu having otaku.

>>4528 My waifu is a 3D tot girl.

>>4529 Are you not the one whos posted that picture of a baby bride like 10 times on this board?

>>4530 Because 3D girls are banned (even though it is entirely sfw and not illegal in any way shape or form, regardless of /v/'s mutt brained retard beliefs about laws.)

>>4531 this is for /hebe/'s sake btw as I do not want to disrupt this board's current state by enraging the globals to higher states of madness

this is my baby wife r8 her 9-10 11

>>4533 dubs

>>4533 >posting weabshit cringe dude

>>4535 at least it's not edgy and terrible

>>4536 >it's not edgy and terrible lol

just don't reply, dipshits

>>4539 What else is there to do?

>>4538 she is cute and sweet furthest thing >>4539 butthurt

>>4544 dubs

>>4544 >humanizing some random cartoon Thats going in my cringe compilation, and when it comes to cuteness your scuffed toy troll complete with tuft of hair can't compete with tanya.

>>4157 >>4355 Hello again AJ I wonder if you are somehow confusing whoever that is with me, because I am also "anti-nepi" but a pedo I once autistically sperged at you with strawman textwalls in a thread of some CP SITE ~ REPORT ME iteration Do you remember that? Months ago I btfo'd some retarded antis in /b/ here. Or was it a year? haven't been to this imageboard in months tbh. Maybe I was never too notable for you to remember all that shit, but I still wonder. But if you do and connect that guy's posts to back then, it's not me, and I am definitely very much against circumcision

>>4547 >tanya >cute too old ugly freakish smile actually a tranny gook of some old wageslave and my baby wife is a standin for the human and extremely similar lg so mope >>4548 no it's a more recent guy from /b/ who seethes about real 8chan /b/ pedothread drama from half a decade ago and posts the same retarded arguments every time he's been here more recently but stop being anti-nepi because nepi is best

>liking youjo senki because it has a "loli" cringe >liking youjo senki because it has cool military autism in it and magic has a believable impact on modern warfare >liking youjo senki because it is literally the only passable modern warfare anime, and the only magic warfare anime that is actually good acceptable >liking youjo senki because the author is a communist who tried to mock what he doesn't like, but only got popular because what he was mocking was something people thought was cool, which is really funny based >shitting on youjo senki because it makes basic bitch wannabe NatSoc halfchan retards seethe also based Side note, tanya is not "loli hitler". The setting mimics ww1, not ww2. The only real difference is that there is some early ww2 technology but the tactics and scenarios are very closely drawn from ww1 in general, especially the rhine front. The LNs are much better, and the web novel has a batshit insane ending because the author had to wrap it up to start on the LN version after it got picked up. Like the web novel has an alien invasion and shit, totally goes off the rails. Second side note: tanya being a little girl is barely relevant and only really plays a role in tanya's internal musings and the rare bit of trickery in the earlier parts of the series. By the end of volume 4 nobody gives a shit that tanya is a little girl, except tanya who is somewhat perturbed by the fact that he is forced to choose between either physical or mental homosexuality. The LNs are much better.

>>4555 >getting trips impressive, very nice

>>4554 Your words have cut me deep and made me re-evaluate my tastes and so I have chosen a more applicable waifu, here she is, say something nice about her.

>>4557 not tot like at all mope grannyfucker

>>4557 What a disgusting color for a countertop

>>4558 Yeah it is, its a spitting image of one. I thought you'd be happy for me.

>>4560 nope

>>4561 You're just mad my waifu is hotter than yours, too bad I call dibs.

Answer is yes to op. Seeing ahults with loli gfs would be based. Don't let the state pretend otherwise. Bring the state down instead.

>>6496 Plot the destruction of the state on smolbox.pw, which I am shilling on /hebe/ before maybe telling other people also.

>>4139 Teenagers already spend nights having awkward back seat sex with each-other. There's no good argument for forbidding that to happen with someone who is older and more experienced.

>>6515 yeah there is teenagers are too old

>>6515 In many modern countries, a teenager won't have any time or place to interact with non-relative adults to a significant degree, so of course it's suspicious for them to be together. You can say society is wrong for having this division in the first place, but you can't seriously claim that "adults having sex with teenagers" is the best first step towards a better future.

>>6562 because teenagers are too old

>>4139 >Do you think you can, realistically, have a harmless sexual relationship with a child? obviously >Sexual behavior is another behavior distinguishing Pirahãs from most middle-class Westerners early on. A young Pirahã girl of about five years came up to me once many years ago as I was working and made crude sexual gestures, holding her genitalia and thrusting them at me repeatedly, laughing hysterically the whole time. The people who saw this behavior gave no sign that they were bothered. Just child behavior, like picking your nose or farting. Not worth commenting about. >But the lesson is not that a child acted in a way that a Western adult might find vulgar. Rather, the lesson, as I looked into this, is that Pirahã children learn a lot more about sex early on, by observation, than most American children. Moreover, their acquisition of carnal knowledge early on is not limited to observation. A man once introduced me to a nine- or ten-year-old girl and presented her as his wife. “But just to play,” he quickly added. Pirahã young people begin to engage sexually, though apparently not in full intercourse, from early on. Touching and being touched seem to be common for Pirahã boys and girls from about seven years of age on. They are all sexually active by puberty, with older men and women frequently initiating younger girls and boys, respectively. There is no evidence that the children then or as adults find this pedophilia the least bit traumatic. >This seems plain wrong to most Westerners. Then again, to the Pirahã, much of what Westerners do would seem plain wrong or simply incomprehensible. Which is worse, Pirahã pedophilia or Western mass violence and systematic oppression? >What is most odd is that, like death for adults, sexuality for children isn’t considered a traumatizing experience and they don’t act traumatized. It’s apparently not part of their culture to be traumatized. They aren’t a society based on and enmeshed in a worldview of violence, fear, and anxiety. That isn’t how they think about any aspect of their lifeworld. I would assume that, like most tribal people, they don’t have high rates of depression and other mental illnesses. Everett pointed out that in the thirty years he knew the Pirahã there never was a suicide. And when he told them about his stepmother killing herself, they burst out in laughter because it made absolutely no sense to them that someone would take their own life.

>>6607 Sauce?

>>6608 https://benjamindavidsteele.wordpress.com/tag/piraha/

>>6608 >>6609 oops, linked to the tag, it's this article specifically: https://benjamindavidsteele.wordpress.com/2018/02/22/cultural-body-mind/

>>6610 >>6609 >>6608 alright, double fail, third time's the charm it's this article: https://benjamindavidsteele.wordpress.com/2016/11/20/dark-matter-of-the-mind/

>>6611 I think it was the first one though, actually

>>6612 not quite, the first link was all of his posts tagged "piraha" (the name of the tribe), so it included the right article and all the text I posted the second link was just the wrong article the third link was the correct article (again, included in the tag link)

>>6607 >it made absolutely no sense to them that someone would take their own life Do they have a concept of reincarnation? It makes sense if you think you can reroll until you end up a based Pirahã chad with a exhibitionist 5 y/o lgf

>>6616 https://www.quora.com/How-do-the-Piraha-people-deal-with-death/answer/Jae-Starr «Another surprising fact is the absence of myth, ritual, symbolism or any other anthropological characteristic that relates the Pirahãs with other cultures throughout history. For the Pirahã, there does not exist any creator God, or moment of creation; nothing was ever created because it always existed. Their concept and experience of time reduces it to the absolute present. In fact, there are no members of the community interested in tracking the records of grandparents, much less older ancestors. To the Pirahã, once something is outside of direct experience, it ceases to exist. They don’t even seem to have any storytelling.» >So, it appears, although I have found nothing concrete myself to support this, that a dead person is simply gone, no longer exists, and is probably never mentioned again. With no story-telling, there are no myths, and no oral traditions of ancestors like Grandad who brought the jaguar down with nothing but a stick.

>>4139 >realistically First, children do not want to have sex (early masturbation is not sex). No, I don't care if exceptions might exist. Laws are created for the biggest majority of people, not created with exceptions in mind. Second, sexual relationship with a child holds a problem people normally do not think about. WHAT DO YOU DO ONCE THE CHILD STARTS TO GROW UP? WHAT DO YOU DO ONCE SHE/HE GROWS UP COMPLETELY? Do you leave them? If you are a pedo and you think children are how BECAUSE they are children, then the answer will be a "yes". The only way this will be a "no", is if magic was literally real, and adults could de-age themselves at will for a time. And good luck with that.

>>6625 >Children do not want to have sex and this critical piece of evidence that my claim is not true doesn't count My sides >I don't care if what I am saying isn't even always true are in >The law is any kind of legitimate moral authority fucking >People don't normally think about the long term of their relationships ORBIT

I don’t believe it’s possible to have sexual activity with a child and have it not scar them as an adult unfortunately. There’s no real way to prevent them from feeling taken advantage of, because looking back on that experience as an adult, you see that you were just a curious child and someone took advantage of that which can really ruin your trust with other people you are supposed to feel safe around. It’s why a lot of CSA victims become social recluses because subconsciously they distrust others, even if they can’t place exactly why until they’re older. There’s a reason why pedophilia is viewed the way it is and that’s because across the board, we know psychologically your early ages determine so much of your thought process about the world, and having an adult do an activity with you that only adults do to make a baby (this is evolutionary psychology here), only to do that for their own sexual gratification (and anything done for the child’s pleasure is also for your own gratification) they feel used and a deep distrust in others when they get too old for the perpetrator, or once they’ve figured out themselves and their likes and dislikes and sexuality, they become disgusted because they would have never consented to that person, due to their unattractiveness or any other factors one might have in deciding a sexual partner. In a perfect world children are forever young and I can cherish them and please them but unfortunately that’s not our world

>>4361 Your entire post explains why child-adult sexual relationships are bad. They cling to adults for protection and learning, so they will cling to you and you will take advantage of that for your sexual satisfaction.

>>6629 >They cling to adults for protection and learning 1) Explain why they shouldn't learn sex but should learn everything else 2) You talk like an anti, levying an accusation rather than making an actual point, and basing your entire point on a premise that gets entirely BTFO'd by >>93 which antis STILL won't fucking even skim 3) Children are not animals, are capable of doing things on their own, and for literally all of human history except for this 100ish year blip they have done so entirely fine. There are recordings of 7 year olds getting married and having a happy and successful relationship. Eunice was really happy and shes the most recent example before it became unacceptable. Less than 150 years ago there were warriors leading teams of men through machine gun fire at ages antis like you deem barely sapient. Everything you advocate for is at the behest of the jews and further destroys the family unit and several millennia of culture.

>>6628 That sounds like an attitude problem Just adopt a cute tot, raise her to be an excellent wife and mother, and fight alongside her to revolt against the modern world. Don't be a coward, fight for love, family, and a better world.

>>6630 Who made these recordings? Sounds like cherry picking rather than backed psychological science, from scientists all over the world, not just the west. And I’m not an anti, I’m just responsible and not delusional.

>>6632 >Who made these recordings >Psychological science from scientists Do you not know what history is, you incredibly dense and pathetic excuse for an anonymous stranger on the internet.

>>6623 Kind of a mudskin thing but beats christinsanity >>6631 totpilled

>>6633 I’ll stick with loli and my family friends kids innocently crawling on me, but going further than that has proven to be irresponsible as we learn more about human psyche

>>6628 >I don’t believe it’s possible to have sexual activity with a child and have it not scar them as an adult unfortunately. nonsense >There’s no real way to prevent them from feeling taken advantage of, because looking back on that experience as an adult, you see that you were just a curious child and someone took advantage of that which can really ruin your trust with other people you are supposed to feel safe around. taking advantage of other people is by definition how people interact you only interact with someone if you get something out of it (which can be both concrete and abstract) if anything, such children learn this truth better, which is an advantage to them, so they should rather be feeling grateful for such an interaction >It’s why a lot of CSA victims become social recluses because subconsciously they distrust others, even if they can’t place exactly why until they’re older. no one is talking about abuse here >There’s a reason why pedophilia is viewed the way it is and that’s because across the board, we know psychologically your early ages determine so much of your thought process about the world, and having an adult do an activity with you that only adults do to make a baby (this is evolutionary psychology here), only to do that for their own sexual gratification (and anything done for the child’s pleasure is also for your own gratification) they feel used and a deep distrust in others when they get too old for the perpetrator this is just total bullshit first of all, the reason pedophilia is viewed that way is because of envy and dominance, i.e. people who don't want others to have what they can have (sexual interactions with young people) and people who want to browbeat others into staying away from children while they help themselves (see: rich and connected people) >or once they’ve figured out themselves and their likes and dislikes and sexuality, they become disgusted because they would have never consented to that person, due to their unattractiveness or any other factors one might have in deciding a sexual partner. this is even worse bullshit this is no difference from a woman having consensual sex with someone, then five years later suddenly deciding, "hey, I didn't actually want that, it was rape!" what a load of drivel

>>6634 it's the most reasonable thing to believe, there's zero evidence to suggest that there is an afterlife (yes, I've read and listened to tons of people talk about NDEs and such, but have not come across anything that's really convincing) it's impossible to know until you die yourself, of course, but if it is in fact true that there is no afterlife, you will ironically not actually find out, because the moment you die, you won't know it

>>6627 Guess I should be grateful for laws that treat you as shooting practice. >>6628 Good take, although actual de-aging for a limited time would be ideal. Got to have tall strong people to run the world.

>>6662 If you are an antipedo, GET THE FUCK OUT. You have no argument of any kind. You've never won an argument. You are simply a malicious christcuck or normiefag.

>>6628 Good for you in hing an imaginative, baseless theory. You are wrong.

>>6641 That's not the mudskin part, the mudskin part is >Their concept and experience of time reduces it to the absolute present. In fact, there are no members of the community interested in tracking the records of grandparents, much less older ancestors. To the Pirahã, once something is outside of direct experience, it ceases to exist. They don’t even seem to have any storytelling.

>>6666 superior mindset, in the rainforest where they live they don't have to worry about the future

>>6662 >Respond days later >With nothing of substance >Someone thinks anyone will ever be convinced you aren't just a retard who does whatever society tells him to

>>6668 It's why they're still living in the rainforest.

>>6670 you keep presenting the diametric opposite of the truth you continue implying that they are somehow inferior for not worrying about the future, and that's why they're living there it's the exact opposite: they don't have to worry about the future it's rather outside of the tropical equatorial rainforest humans have to start worrying about the future, which brings about species-wide anxiety

>>6674 They have no future to worry about, just tribal stagnation and inevitable extinction. They are inferior, species-wide apotheosis should be the endgame for existence, the only people that have ever made strides toward it are Europeans. The cunny thing is cool, but we could easily do that too if we fully expunged kike religious autism.

>>4139 I don't care about that shit. People just shouldn't be going to prison for 15+ years.

>>4139 >minimum Stop blaming age. If we say it's only bad when someone uses power/ force/ manipulation/ whatever, then people won't reinterpret positive experiences as bad only because of age difference.

>>6607 >Which is worse, Pirahã pedophilia or Western mass violence and systematic oppression? Looooooooool, the Amazonian tribes kill each other all the time, they do it just for fun and wipe entire villages. And Piraha are the most retarded Amazonian group of them all. Their language is so simple it doesn't even go up past 20, and they have NO CONCEPT OF TIME. That is what their culture is primarily known for. No days, no years, no agriculture, nothing. Pedophilia, the way you fucktards believe in, is not conducive to a functioning Western (working) society. Accept that you are always going to be relegated to the outskirts of society unless you can somehow squeeze yourself in there during decadent chaos. Insane amounts of cope.

>>9657 >unless you can somehow squeeze yourself in there during decadent chaos. bro you're talking to literal experts at squeezing into tight places

>>9657 >Pedophilia, the way you fucktards believe in, implying there is any sort of agreement of pedo beliefs in here

>>4139 My ideal society is every ad*lt at the bottom and I, at the top, drunkenly fucking everybody's daughters and mothers as payment for not blasting the entire planet to nuclear waste. Periodically inviting shotas to join me in my pussyslaying. Not touching those shotas unless it's a midcoitus fist bump cause I ain't gay dawg I am a charitable man

>>9680 Lmao

>>9683 My altruism and goodwill towards my fellow shota is no laughing matter

I don't claim to understand psychology but I was molested growing up and it did major damage to me mentally. So as much as I would love to suckle on a little girl's nipples while I pump a load into another one's cunny, I won't. Plus I'm paranoid enough that it isn't worth feeling like I have to look over my shoulder. I'll just talk about how much I want to fuck one and how cute they are, and pretend my onahole is a cute little girl bouncing on my dick.

>>4149 If you can not control your animal urges, you ARE a subhuman. Don't vote Dems, don't download Democrat activism. That's all you have to do, fucking idiot. does everything enjoyable in your life amount to thinking about fucking children? You dumb animal.

>>10829 I voted for Trump

>>10833 lol retard

>>4436 Sexual repression ironically tends to lead to the repressed slut phenomenon. For example there is the stereotype of the south being into incest (not anymore but more on that later) but one of the reasons for it was due to the lack of people talking about sex or making it a mysterious and taboo thin. So hormonal teen boys would often latch onto their moms or sisters as their only female intimacy. Should not that Alabama though has some of the harshest incest laws probably due to the aforementioned problems. Oregon actually has the highest rates of incest in the U.S.

>>10946 >all these conservatives are massive incest-loving sex perverts <actually they're strongly opposed to incest and the leftist soyboys are the ones doing it but that's besides the point

>>10950 You should be weary of drawing sweeping conclusions from a few data points, especially when they seem to support a position you would like to be true. Inbreeding is more common in the following states: Washington Oregon Montana South Dakota New Mexico Oklahoma Arkansas Louisiana Indiana Kentucky Tennessee Alabama Georgia South Carolina North Carolina Virginia West Virginia Maryland Delaware Maine

>>10958 Why are you researching inbreeding?