>>1040 Somewhat related https://brhat.in/dhitiblog/a-fair-and-gracious-dream-2/

>>1040 Can you share the raja ram mohan roy document ? I forever reason cannot find it, so spoon feed me pleas.e

Trying to find Swaraj in Ideas by K C Bhattacharya. Only available copy in BJP library sucks. Hoping someone has a better copy.

>>1055 Tuhfat-ul-muwahhidin: https://archive.org/details/in.ernet.dli.2015.45303 The precepts of Jesus: https://archive.org/details/preceptsofjesusg00rammrich Final appeal to the Christian public, in defence of the 'Precepts of Jesus': https://archive.org/details/finalappealtochr01ramm

>>1081 http://www.unipune.ac.in/snc/cssh/ipq/english/IPQ/11-15%20volumes/11%2004/PDF/11-4-2.pdf

>>1081 >>1084 Even better

>>1083 Thanks for these >>1085 I love the paragraph style of writing a lot. You can give references directly to a para. Good document. I will try and upload a better version from this. This write up deserves better.

The "Svaraj in Ideas" document is sadly only available in either very old scans or as badly formatted pdf's with many mistakes and bad formatting. I have now made a new pdf of it, I will now get to corrections. Each of these takes a few hours. But outside of a full time job and personal life, the few hours that I give it, they are cost in terms of personal time. After this, if I like a write up enough, I will translate it. Maybe I will ask someone to record audio of it in a good voice or make memes out of it. You guys should translate it to Bangla.

>>1094 What's there to correct? >>1085 is not a scan. You can select and copy text.

>>1095 Lots esp in encoding. I still haven't fixed spelling issues, but the rest should be better now. Next step would be translation. Bengali should naturally be first, you guys should be able to easily do that. Idk how good or bad the digital tools for bengali are.

One of the things Europeans do right is produce beautiful documents and update them from time to time. Lot of characters esp ff were not working in selection. There were random newlines inserted etc. Many characters not rending right. This might not seem like a big issue to you, but if the document is well encorded, it can be converted to voice directly via Text-to-Speech, you can machine translate it directly, you can convert it to word etc. This is far from perfect right now, I still need to add the note mentioned in the end, correct some more spellings, insert some of the special characters in the original via LaTeX etc. I hope you guys translate it into bengali and share it to younger bengali's

I have sympathy for Bengali schools of ideas because they have a very different take on our culture from other states. I don't have much sympathy for Bengali's themselves, I have seen them - Discriminate against labour which their industries need - Hound away industrialists and smart people - Encourage lazy and incompetent but performative leadership --- What is needed is to wake the sleeping conscious of the people. That won't happen by abusing Biharis or making coomy cringy "progressive" content, but slow deliberate study of what went wrong and what was right. --- The talk OP shared, it has some minor issues but is a great start.

>>1040 people believe that netaji bose was a fascist hindutva authoritarian because he was allied with the nazis and imperial japan however, all of the stuff I've read about him points to the contrary, and suggests that he was more akin to Stalin's authleft ideology can someone redpill me on him?

>>1099 >>1098 I might take it up

>>3939 kek natsoc is just communism with race autism in the end (in practice) i don't think anyone gave a shit about ideology back then, we wanted the subcon free of the brits

>>3941 >i don't think anyone gave a shit about ideology back then, we wanted the subcon free of the brits that is not true at all nehru, gandhi, jinnah, maulana azad etc etc all put their ideologies above the anti british sentiments

>>3942 How many of these were british agents ? Gandhi def was one. Nehru was proper coconut and did more harm to the sub continent than British rule ever could. >>3940 JUST DO IT.

>>3960 I think the majority of the INC was. Only good one I can think of was Vallabhbhai.

>>1100 This is what Subash Chandra had to say about Vande Mataram not being appropriate to be taken up as the national anthem: “The core of Vande Mataram is a hymn to goddess Durga: this is so plain that there can be no debate about it. Of course Bankimchandra does show Durga to be inseparably united with Bengal in the end, but no Mussulman [Muslim] can be expected patriotically to worship the ten-handed deity as ‘Swadesh’ [the nation]. This year many of the special [Durga] Puja numbers of our magazines have quoted verses from Vande Mataram—proof that the editors take the song to be a hymn to Durga. The novel Anandamath is a work of literature, and so the song is appropriate in it. But Parliament is a place of union for all religious groups, and there the song cannot be appropriate. When Bengali Mussulmans show signs of stubborn fanaticism, we regard these as intolerable. When we too copy them and make unreasonable demands, it will be self-defeating.”

>>3976 I wish he lived long enough to see modernday BD kek

>>3975 Given that Congress was started by British to be a steam valve for Indians and not let rebellions grow, all of them were traitors and indeed, all of them wanted dominion status, not true Independence. >>3976 He is technically correct you know. BUT, he misses the point. In a polytheistic empire, you are allowed to worship your gods, as long as you also bow down to the ruling gods. Islam does not allow this. If the sub con Muslim cannot respect the divine of the land, then his loyalties will never lie here. >>3978 You can see the consequence of the above point in BD, except for Awami league, all other political parties have their loyalties and paymasters outside the nation. They couldn't give a flying fuck what will happen to the nation. different angle on this theme in another thread.

>>3988 >You can see the consequence of the above point in BD that's why i made the remark >except for Awami league, all other political parties have their loyalties and paymasters outside the nation i uh, i am not willing to lose my head over online rants but... my only remark is don't think so

>>3993 I am not inside BD so natrually I don't have skin in the game and therefore my answers can be horribly wrong. That said, my answer comes entirely from a funding point of view. There was report commissioned about corruption in BD, the findings were so explosive, that it was shelved. This included funding of political parties and their bank statements. I am willing to bet , when the funders demand something, these parties will comply.

>>3997 let's just say this 1. everyone takes money 2. the opposing parties take US/Arab money 3. for each faction there is an opposing faction I will leave the implications to the reader

>>3988 I don't think your statement about the whole of INC wanting a dominion status for India is entirely true as one of the main reasons behind the declination of the constitutional proposal sent by Sir Stafford Cripps was that he didn't propose any immediate transfer of power that is independence. They remarked the proposal as being a ‘post-dated cheque on a crashing bank’.

>>4018 You are right. It would be more accurate to say that Congress leadership slowly filtered away the ones who were demaning पूर्ण स्वराज्य

>>1040 can someone share modern hindutva literature?

>>4807 Too general a question. But one of the most underrated pieces of literature is Godse's "Gandhi vadh kyon" .

>>4807 >>4814 Most books are academic and intellectual . Good for the author. But need more practical to do stuff. For that it is still best to join your local shakha. But a book would be good. AI will make illustrations easy too.

>>4877 Our enemy is better funded than the British and more cunning. Technology makes the battle even harder now.

>>4807 https://www.amazon.in/Hindutva-Origin-Evolution-Aravindan-Neelakandan/dp/9392209061/ If you want the academic modern definition of Hindutva. https://www.amazon.in/DHARMIC-NATION-Freeing-Bharat-Remaking/dp/9355209762/ More political book

>>4876 >>4877 >>4878 These are from Revolutionaries by Sanjeev Sanyal. Amazing book.

can anyone explain why the hindu mahasabha and savarkar support the british in ww2? to quote savarkar, >Hinduize all Politics and Militarize Hindudom. When the Congress launched the Quit India movement in 1942, Savarkar criticised it and asked Hindus to stay active in the war effort and not disobey the government. Hindu Mahasabha under Savarkar's leadership organized Hindu Militarization Boards which recruited armed forces for helping the British in World War 2. One of the main counter points I hear for this is that savarkar wanted to militarize hindus. This seems like an extremely weak point, since Savarkar's words clearly indicated loyalty to the British: >“The situation, he [Savarkar] said, was that His Majesty’s government must now turn to the Hindus and work with their support…. Our interests were now the same and we must therefore work together… Our interests are so closely bound together, the essential thing is for Hinduism and Great Britain to be friends and the old antagonism was no longer necessary. The Hindu Mahasabha he went on to say favoured an unambiguous undertaking of Dominion status at the end of the war.” Another intriguing thing I couldn't help but notice is that the Muslim league and Hindu mahasabha formed a coalition government in 1937 after the congress leaders resigned from their positions. It seems like Savarkar(and the Hindu mahasabha by extension) was more anti congress than anti british or anti muslim. Here's an article(it is obviously biased, but contains direct quotes from publicly available documents) that sheds some more light on the issue: https://thewire.in/history/veer-savarkar-the-staunchest-advocate-of-loyalty-to-the-english-government So, why is Savarkar celebrated? It seems like he completely changed his ideology after his jailing in 1911.

>>5446 Writing this with a headache, tired from journey, so treat it as shitposting. Nah fuck it, just posting the quote from book directly Even as these new tidings were under way in the Indian political scenario, the September of 1939 saw the world getting entangled into a new global strife. The Battle of Westerplatte saw the invasion of German army, navy and air force into Poland, gradually drawing the entire world in its wake of war and destruction. Britain and other European nations were inevitably drawn into this conflict that came to be known as the Second World War. On 10 September 1939, the Working Committee of the Hindu Mahasabha met in Bombay under Savarkar’s leadership and passed resolutions related to the impending global outbreak. Several top leaders of the Mahasabha from different provinces including Babasaheb Khaparde, Syama Prasad Mookerjee, Varadarajulu Naidu of Madras, Yashvantrao Joshi, Barrister Jamnadas Mehta, Dr B.S. Moonje and others participated. The main points of the resolution were that the Indian Army is not British Army but the army of Indians, and that the government should make all efforts to inculcate this feeling. This was the only way that they could enlist the support of the troops in any global conflict. It called upon the British government to expand the Indian Territorial Forces and the Universities Training Corps and ‘to establish such military organizations in the provinces where they do not exist at present’.116 It urged the British to Indianize the army by abolishing the distinction between ‘warrior and non-warrior’ castes; that Indians should be inducted in all branches of the Indian defence forces and they should enjoy equal rights and privileges as the British soldiers. The meeting also called upon Hindus to organize ‘Hindu National Militia’ (Hindu Sainikikaran Mandals) in their respective provinces for Hindu youth between the ages of eighteen and forty to seek admission there. The government, the resolution added, should encourage production of arms and ammunition in India. Commenting on his own much-repeated stance of an ‘India-First’ foreign policy, Savarkar commented that there was no point picking up ideological battles with Hitler or his associates. Hitler, he said, knows how to be independent and what he needs to do. Nazism and Fascism might be appropriate for Germany and Italy, and India need not meddle in their internal affairs. What India needed to do was to first create its independent government. India did not have power like Japan, Germany and Italy, and its people wanted independence. He averred that the British claim of independence being a threat to democracy was a lie. He called for British soldiers to leave India so that Indians could create their own nation. The Mahasabha, he declared, supported Indian independence and regarded all those who opposed it as enemies. For those who were neutral to Indian interests, India too must be neutral. Our policy to British must be decided this way, he concluded.117 The stance of the Mahasabha won appreciation from several quarters including from across the border, in distant Japan. Rash Behari Bose who had been keeping a close watch on Savarkar and his ideology wrote a letter to him on 22 September expressing his complete support to the idea of militarization. The revolutionary dream of building on the 1857 model of creating disaffection in the minds of the natives who served in the British Indian Army against their colonial masters, creating thereby a nationwide uprising in the army and heralding the end of the Empire, was potent as ever. Rash Behari Bose also expressed his deep apprehensions about whether this will indeed materialize, given that ‘the British Empire’s biggest supporter in India, Mahatma Gandhi, was strongly opposed to such a move’.

>>5446 Just posting fun quotes The visage of a strong leader of a centralized nation, in the form of Hitler or Mussolini, undoubtedly attracted the Hindu nationalists in the run up to the Second World War, though this was to change once the horrors of the war and ethnic cleansing began to get clearer. A declaration from the Hindu Mahasabha on 25 March 1939 makes this fascination for the renegade countries taking on the might of the colonial Empire clearer: Germany’s solemn idea of the revival of the Aryan culture, the glorification of the Swastika, her patronage of Vedic learning and the ardent championship of the tradition of Indi-Germanic civilization are welcomed by the religious and sensible Hindus of India with a jubilant hope. Only a few socialists headed by Pandit J. Nehru have created a bubble of resentment against the present Government of Germany, but their activities are far from having any significance in India. The vain imprecations of Mahatma Gandhi against Germany’s indispensable vigour in matters of internal policy obtain but little regard in so far as they are uttered by a man who has always betrayed and confused the country with an affected mysticism. I think that Germany’s crusade against the enemies of Aryan culture will bring all the Aryan nations of the world to their senses and awaken the Indian Hindus for the restoration of their lost glory.136 Savarkar seems to have kept close secret contacts with the Axis powers—Rome, Berlin, Tokyo—through several emissaries and their local agents and/or consulates in Bombay. These did not bring about too many noticeable results possibly because the war regulations had already struck in and tighter security and surveillance had been imposed by the government. The British were keeping a close watch on these foreign connections with the Hindu Mahasabha leaders. An intelligence report talks about the regular correspondences between Savarkar and Rash Behari Bose: In the meantime, the maintenance of the connexions (sic) between Japan and the Hindu Mahasabha is shown in a letter recently written by Rash Behari Bose in Tokyo to Indra Prakash, Secretary of the Hindu Mahasabha, New Delhi, at the instigation of Savarkar asking for Hindu Sabha literature to be sent to Japan from India.137 Another report details: In June 1938, two parcels of literature were received by a well-known revolutionary in India from a member of the Japanese Legation, Kabul. This information came to light in the course of secret censorship. The Japanese Foreign Office arranged for the production in Calcutta of a Quarterly Review entitled ‘New Asia’. Indian extremists such as Prof. Benoy Sirkar and V.D. Savarkar were asked to contribute articles. The intention of the Japanese Vice-Consul was to expound political, rather than cultural, views, and to conceal the propagandist nature of the journal. Another interesting character that the Savarkar brothers, especially Babarao got acquainted to was Savitri Devi.142 Originally a Frenchwoman of Greek-English birth, born as Maximiani Julia Portas in Lyons, France, she grew up to become a deep admirer of the German National Socialism and the Nazi-Aryan race theory. She soon began to venerate Adolf Hitler as a veritable supernatural incarnation. When all of 27, in 1932, she landed in India and it was love at first sight with the country, its culture and the dominant Hindu religion, in which she saw the perfect synthesis of her evolving views—a living civilization that personified the Aryan legends that she grew up fantasizing. She travelled across the country—from Rameswaram, Tiruchirapalli, Amritsar to enrolling as a student at Rabindranath Tagore’s Shantiniketan, before settling down in Calcutta by the end of 1936 and converting to Hinduism, rechristening herself as Savitri Devi. Here she got closely associated with the Hindu Mission and its president Swami Satyananda, and through them got introduced to the idea of Hindutva and Savarkar. She began writing extensively on Hindu philosophy and nationalism and a lot of these ideas echoed those of Savarkar’s earlier works. Her book A Warning to the Hindus, written in 1939, cautioned the community against its own social evils and the external threats from other religions, especially Islam. Babarao wrote the preface to this book and heaped praises on her: She has one advantage over the usual workers from within the Hindu fold. She was Greek by nationality. It is, owing partly to her appreciation of Hindu art, thought and ‘dharma,’ and partly to deeper reasons that she was drawn to our society and that she adopted what we call Hindutva, for the rest of her life. But naturally, being a European, she could, though from within, study the condition of the Hindus in a detached manner. And this book contains the mature and thoughtful conclusions drawn by her, conclusions which, in no case, can be taken as the outcome of that partial attitude, which one of the born-Hindus may be said to possess.

>>5446 >>5452 >>5453 TLDR; Mahasabha didn't care ideologically but wanted millitarized Hindu's They were afraid of Muslims in millitary who were thought to be high in number in the British armies, that after the British they would have to fight them. Congress at the time was still demanding dominion status after the war and not full independence. On why Savarkar gets the status that he does, I will post some other time.

Savarkar's mitra mela is very inspiring. Does anyone have his first publications that inspired bhagat singh and others ? For a complex character like him, with multiple layers to him, some public, others private, it is tough to know what went in his head. He said many things to Brits and others which be did not believe in private, but that was just a means to an end. > Savarkar sought and obtained an interview with Viceroy Lord Linlithgow in Delhi on 6 October 1939. Linlithgow was to later record that while he found his guest ‘a not very attractive type of little man’, but he was ‘definitely interesting’ and that they had a ‘very friendly talk’. In a secret correspondence the very next day, Linlithgow detailed the contours of his meeting with Savarkar and seemed rather wary of him: <The situation he [Savarkar] said was that His Majesty’s Government must now turn to the Hindus and work with their support. After all, though we and the Hindus had a good deal of difficulty in the past, and was equally true of the relations between Great Britain and the French and, as recent events have shown, of relations between Russia and Germany, our interests are now the same and we must work together. Even though now most moderate of men, he had himself been in the past an adherent of a revolutionary party . . . but now that our interests are so closely bound together that essential thing was for Hinduism and Great Britain to be friends and old antagonism was no longer necessary. The Hindu Mahasabha, he went on to say, favoured an unambiguous undertaking of Dominion Status at the end of the War. It was true, at the same time that they challenged the Congress claim to represent anything but themselves. The Congress has accepted office under false pretence and on an understanding that they were doing so in order to wreck the constitution. But we Hindus were waiting for them. There was a great deal of Congress policy, which it was impossible for the Hindu Mahasabha to oppose because it was essentially a Hindu policy, but for all that the Mahasabha was determined to have them out. If he could, he could produce much better men to the places so vacated. He went on to urge a repeal of the Arms Act and a national militia, of the compulsory military training for the educated youth of the Hindu community and the readjustment of the plan of recruitment for the ordinary Indian Army in favour of classes at present without a real chance of securing admission in the army. It was of utmost importance, he said, that we should chastise the frontier tribes. He could only think that we have some arrangement with the Afghans, which prevented us from taking a strong line with them. But the chastisement must be with Hindu troops, the only troops on which we could rely.

>>5455 He himself says that a millitarized Hindu population would make it easier to throw the British himsefl. This is what made him a dangerous man. Machiavellian/Chanakyan, clear vision towards the end goal and willing to do what it takes. Fucking Maharashtrians did so much for the nation in the last 800 years.

>>5446 This is why I didn't bother reading the Liar and went directly to the Savarkar book. One chapter later , with all the context, the situation is clear. Portals like the liar are experts at lying, by removing context, references and partial quotes. This is what makes them dangerous.

>>5446 Damn, the quote mining is pretty blatant.

>>5458 >>5458 Still need to thank this anon. Reminds me to visit the prisons where Savarkar was kept. What an inspiring man. Upword did a beautiful biography of him. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0J0aVLyZqoc I always feel humbled when I look at how much these Mahasabha guys did in their lives. I had minor brush with Indian police and decided to leave India after that. Leftists and portals like liars cannot touch me with their bullshit and disturb my peace. Managing to filter out dishonest people already improves quality a lot.