>>2558 I was viewing some old vintage photos of Dhaka and the streets were clean, there were little to no cars, street vendors weren't hogging up the footpaths, It felt like the photo was taken in the future, not from the past

>>2558 idk if you were on the old InCh but I posted a few long ass posts on overpopulation there. Most of the problems of overpopulation are from government incompetence. 1 - overpopulation def - a few in mind but I'll think it over and add later 2 - Yes and no depending on the definition. India and China always had a large population comparable to all of Europe but famines kept in stable so there were no massive spikes or steady upward trends like in both countries in the last 50 years (save from the advent of better agriculture) 3 - Yes, and this goes into government incompetence and zoning laws. Relaxed zoning and tax reform to prevent speculation would pretty much immediately solve this issue. 4 - No, and I think it's the reverse. Large families promote conservative values, it's when men and women have no families we see cultural decline set in. It's no coincidence that all the decadent countries have started to see their birthrates decline massively. 5 - I don't think there is a strong correlation and again mostly relates to government policies. Most Western cities have larger populations than they did in the 1800s and are far cleaner now. London had pollution similar to Delhi and feces covering the streets during the industrial revolution with a far smaller population.

>>2587 I just woke up so ignore the wonky ass grammar and spelling errors.

>>2587 > def If a country cannot provide 20m2 land per person and enough food for its population, it is overpopulated. More important to define productive/non productive population ratios. Will share other thoughts later.

>>2587 >Large families promote conservative values Conservative values are good regarding survival but bad regarding morales and culture I have seen too many large families do absolutely the most heinous bullshit imaginable just for the sake of THEM

>>2587 btw regarding old inch I saw an anon make a post once regarding the "Engineering University scam" of India How true was it ? Is a majority of Indian unis AND uni admission centers set up by politicians and businessmen to cash in on the craze of Higher Ed. ?

>>2591 >enough food for its population Domestic production or allowing for imports. >If a country cannot provide 20m2 That seems somewhat arbitrary. The most densely populated countries are not ones people complain about being overpopulated, and the many of the densest cities are not ones people considered overpopulated. >>2594 It's give and take. On one hand people to reliant on govt support become bug people, and on the other people too reliant on families become dynasties. Idk what the right answer is, but large families are essential for continued growth.

>>2598 It is not arbitrary, this land can be in an appartment. But within overpopulation, one also has to define productive to unproductive population. China and other countries that fucked around with the family ratio, they suffered for this. >>2595 Anything below the top 50 collages are scammy. But as someone who tasted the elite stuff, it isn't really that much of a difference except for labs. The whole subcontinent suffers from same mistakes.

>>2602 >The whole subcontinent suffers from same mistakes. what mistakes does the subcon. suffer regarding to academia ?

>>2655 i have my own pov but as someone who has experience in both subcon. + western academia and vastly more irl knowledge I'd like to know your thoughts/pov

>>2655 Suffer in regards to sepoy education. > Not learning in mother tongue > Not forcing Sanskrit/Hindi for technical/medical and other fields > Insistence on English > Rewarding loyalty over merit https://franpritchett.com/00generallinks/macaulay/txt_minute_education_1835.html You will probably disagree with me, I don't care. People disconnected from their roots, learning English and thinking themselves as global citizens. Makes me fucking sick. The few intellectuals we have, we treat them like dirt. They are either killed or poached, or die in poverty. While traitors and servants of the west are celebrated as "academics" The things these assholes say and do. Then collage students worship them. Sheep worshipping donkeys. Makes me happy I am not in India anymore.

>>2655 Our academia is poison at best. It takes from the west, vomits it in our mouths, without understanding or context. We learn and apply solutions to problems that aren't our own, fighting amongst ourselves like monkeys.

>>2655 >>2655 I am slightly drunk and not in a rational frame to answer this without my bias's. The little I have met of BD academics, they have the same traits as Indian academics and are traitors to their people and land. Commies are right about one thing. WE need to burn our ruling class alive.

>>2666 English medium is the worst and the consumption of Western media eats away at any nation independence. SEA is nice and insulated since English language is rare. I think SEA is the only region of the world which is actively prospering now (save a few countries)

>>2666 >The few intellectuals we have, we treat them like dirt. They are either killed or poached, or die in poverty. While traitors and servants of the west are celebrated as "academics" There was a bangali poet/writer here who wrote 50 books regarding the 71 war and other stuff He was begging on the street during corona, asking people for help, got media attention, many such cases

>>2670 Fight your fight. Write in Bangla. Share it. Even if there is no victory, keep going.

>>2595 It was somewhat true

Interesting read: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sub-replacement_fertility#Historical_effects

>>2761 Another one: https://archive.is/SHiwj

>>2761 >>2762 Nice posts. Thanks for sharing. An important point is, there is no right answer. A country with low population can also succeed. An country like India can fuck up with such a high population too. BD is a special example, there is good marketing from BD govt, that hides a rotten mess.

>>2786 Here are some more articles, this time on a country in India's position that hasn't yet achieved prosperity (Brazil) - https://archive.is/8IRNM https://archive.is/FuBxQ

>>2558 We need an extinction event to set humanity back 200 years and level the playing field

>>2786 I view population as room for error and the ability to absorb catastrophe. High pop countries don't necessarily do better, but they will always have the potential to do better than ones in population decline. Canada is a good example. We are sitting at a 1.4 fertility rate and have to import hundreds of thousands of people per year, and they are increasingly - not assimilating or openly disloyal, or so low skill they either contribute to crime or are only capable of working menial jobs (often gotten through affirmative action) Canada has essential no history with slavery and yet in Toronto they have already started lowering standards for Middle Eastern and Black students, justified by "racism" which of course, does not exist. https://archive.is/FeUHa There are other articles which I saved better highlighting the point, no idea where I kept the links. Similarly, higher pop enables all three methods of growth - capital, labour and technological input. In reality however, low fertility countries really only have technological growth, as capital is still heavily dependent on labour. Also, I should specifiy I don't mean low population, I mean low popualtion growth. Obviously Norway can't support 1 billion people but it is still a highly developed country.

>>2849 Start using zotero

>>2849 Only to a limited extent. Beyond that, it is a source of misery. India was historically 1/3rd of its current population at its prime. We have gotten too used to using population as a crutch against production efficiency.

>>2853 The beautiful thing about maths is, a simple predator prey equation would explain population much better. Ofcourse, a nations population is more complex than simple 2d predator prey model. But the limits remain the same, just more variables.

>>2853 I think replacement level fertility is ideal after a country has reached material prosperity, although ideal population fluctuates depending on conditions (like in war time vs food scarcity, etc.)

>>2864 Depends on goals entirely. If the country is expansionist like China or wants to dominate economically. USA has weaponized its citizenship as has Canada. In both cases, the countries will collapse due to this eventually, but it works in short term (50-80 years).

https://archive.is/Koq6e Can't get the full article sadly... https://www.romania-insider.com/eurostat-romania-sees-largest-population-decline

>>2888 Romanians are fodder for the rest of Europe and USA. Cheap whites, in whose raising the USA doesn't need to invest any resources.

>>2889 >>2888 I actually like the country and its people, I find it sad what is happening to them. Romanians are rabidly anti communist, USA has exploited this heavily.

>>2889 >>2890 It's a just a supply of cheap labour for the EU now. Interesting how migration is used to control countries - EU for cheap labour, Romanian elites to get rid of agitators. Doesn't work in the long run, but the elites won't stick around for the collapse anyways.

>>2558 Interesting paper I think you'll all like: https://journals.plos.org/plosone/article?id=10.1371/journal.pone.0289748

>>2997 Just for the record I disagree with Turchin and Cliodynamics. It pretends to be value free science when in fact accepting liberal social values as inherent, but it is an interesting discussion.