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COVID-19 Anonymous 03/14/2020 (Sat) 08:48:26 Id: 13df51 No. 2111

Maybe somebody's made a thread already but I can't find it so fuck you.

Some would say that this is a big nothingburger and it'll blow over in a few weeks. Others would call it the next 9/11. Judging by how Costco's been recently, normalfags are panicking, but not enough to consider buying the premium reverse osmosis purified electrolyte-enhanced alkaline smart water. I'll give my take:

>>2111
How can we profit from it?
>>2118
>or if it's fucked enough that real political change might be possible
I doubt anything like that would be a good thing. Generally when normalniggers change their position on anything it's always for the worse, advocating for the expansion of government powers and so on.
What I could expect happening is that since China went full retard and let the virus get out of hand and now their economy has stopped to the point pollution has gone down, some competitors may arise somewhere else that could manufacture shit for cheap like in China, or maybe supply chains may become somewhat shorter at least temporarily.
>>2118
>ucked enough that you and I will be able to finally get a decent-paying job after it's over since
this is what i want. i want it widespread so i can get my social security back.
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>tfw no ancap survivalist prepper gf to meet the apocalypse with
>>2112
start to make respirators and ventilators 3 weeks ago

Anyone here heard of this "libertarians in a pandemic" thing? I've noticed it in online articles saying why the government needs to intervene. Only for it to turn out the government is the reason this outbreak has gotten as bad as it has. For example the government forbade private labs from conducting their tests on the virus. The private lab testing would've sped up the process of finding a vaccine for it. There are already plenty of other libertarian outlets proving this and countering a lot of other online article's authoritarian bullshit.

Seriously, I keep seeing thinkpieces about how this will become the new norm and why the author's brand of authoritarianism is the cure for this pandemic. It really sickens me.

Wouldn't spreading the virus be a violation of the NAP?
Wouldn't mandatory temporary shutdowns be consistent with Libertarianism?
I'm not an ancap because of mass externalities like this that violate the NAP.
>>2248
Most private holdings would likely shut down or only allow confirmed clean people through their doors if a similar situation were to transpire in the market. Those that don't do so would be avoided by healthy people, especially in CURRENT YEAR with how fast information travels. We've already seen a variety of private institutions close their doors without any urging from the state in the wake of the chink virus. Calling this an externality when the price response is self-evident and directly observable is rather silly.
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>>2248
The NAP isn't the law in ancap. Private law is the law in ancap, the NAP is kinda like a cement that holds private laws together and enables them to coexist together, it's kinda like a legal framework between different parties.

Quarantine from a virus is nothing but a practice of freedom of association, and that includes private discrimination. You can shutdown an entire private city and prevent people from moving in/out for literally any reason, not necessarily because of a virus, it can even be because you just don't like the way someone looks.

On the other hand, the liberals have been criticizing private discrimination and closure of borders when the outbreak first started, but after they realized that this virus is a real threat, these same people are now buying guns, asking for closed borders, and praising less taxes and tariffs to keep the market from dying, which begs the question: what was the point of all that other shit they believed in the first place?
>>2248
Health insurance, not martial law.
>>2251
Okay sure but plenty of stores would still want to remain open and we need mass cooperation if we want to stop the virus.

>>2272
Explain.
Also plenty of people wouldn't get health insurance and would pay out of pocket for free market healthcare.
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>>2205
Got any libertarian links to what you're taking about.
>>2426
The price system incentivizes cooperation, in this case through insurance companies. Any private firm that continues to open its doors to all in a time of pandemic would see its premiums rise significantly, the same would go for any individual walking about in the open unprotected.But if you could prove to your insurance firm that you were taking appropriate precautions, say by wearing a gas mask everywhere outside or a store taking up rigorous disinfection protocols, your premiums would be lower. And unlike a blanket ban on public gatherings, the penalties of the price system would not only discourage high-risk behavior, but it would also allow for exceptional circumstances (e.g. I need to deliver medicine to my grandma with Alzheimer's today so I'm going to break quarantine, even if it means my fees will go up). Furthermore, the prospect of lowering premiums through precautionary action encourages firms and individuals alike to find more productive solutions than mass isolation, which incentivizes people to try and get things back closer to normal, such that any resultant economic slowdown isn't as severe.

As for the people who don't have insurance of any sort, a combination of the social credit score and the reaction of other insurance firms will account for them just fine. Because the potential risk from uninsured individuals is higher, insured firms and individuals would be discouraged from interacting with uninsured individuals at all through higher premiums. Social credit agencies would inform you as to who is and isn't insured, and who is high-risk and low-risk. Firms could of course ignore these warnings and let the high risk people in anyways, but then their own social credit score would go down as well, as they've now become more high-risk. Low-risk shoppers will avoid the high-risk firms, and low-risk firms who want to retain low-risk shoppers will block high-risk customers from entering. Thus, you'll see a natural segregation form between high-risk types and low-risk types.
>>2205
I'd say it's more accurate that there's no globalists in a pandemic.
>>2429
Do you think mutual aid societies would make a return in ancapistan?

How would the social credit score in these agencies be different than the ones in China? Do you think a market to fake social credit scores would crop up in response to this?
>>2427
I have some here.

https://reason.com/2020/03/10/actually-libertarians-are-why-youll-probably-survive-this-pandemic/

INB4 'muh Reason' here's some Mises articles as well.

https://mises.org/wire/benefits-free-society-during-pandemics

https://mises.org/wire/why-we-need-free-markets-fight-pandemics
>>2434
>Do you think mutual aid societies would make a return in ancapistan?
On the smaller scale, sure. Mutual aid societies were effectively primitive insurance companies, that circumvented the costs of information-gathering by restricting themselves to small, high-trust communities. Nowadays, with information-gathering being cheap so long as you have the infrastructure, for most consumers the benefits aren't there. Still, something like mutual aid societies would likely see a presence on the neighborhood level.

>How would the social credit score in these agencies be different than the ones in China?
One is centrally planned and the other is not. The chink score is based on doing what the CCP wants you to do, while the private scores would be based on whatever the price system indicates is useful information. Ultimately, though, the general trend would be that high risk data makes your score go down, and low-risk makes it go up. Being gay is often an indicator of higher time-preference, for instance, and many gays end up being molesters. Being a confirmed faggot therefore would make your score go down, since you're considered higher risk to your landlord, store clerk, residential area, and so on. There are many possible factors that could be tracked here, and it's unlikely that there would be one standard for the entire economy. Different professions and sectors would likely have their own variant of the score through which they evaluate people.

>Do you think a market to fake social credit scores would crop up in response to this?
No more so than the existence of insurance has created a market for insurance fraud, or regular credit scores creating a market for credit fraud. It can happen, but the incentives placed on the legitimate sellers to root these frauds out keeps them from growing.
Would mandatory vaccines create a black market for fake vaccine certificates?
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>>5297 Don't need to be a libertarian to know the answer to this question.
No one cares about the big picture. Americans used to be outraged about Bruce Jenner, Greta Thunberg, statues, Kavanaugh, Epstein, Smollett, George Floyd, and Rittenhouse. Now Americans have lost their minds about Biden, but no one cares that the US is a bankrupt warmongering police state.


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