To be perfectly honest I am in it for the shota, I care very little about what the woman looks like. All I want is the woman to be dominant and the shota to be cute and in distress because he is about to be raped by a woman. I consider myself to be a heterosexual, cisgender man but I also have an orientation play fetish, I have fantasies about being turned homosexual from being raped by women as a boy. I don’t want to be turned into a shota and I am perfectly content with remaining a man for the rest of my life. I consider myself to be fairly masculine on the outside so I have decided not to pursue romantic or sexual relationships and to remain virginal for the rest of my life. I consider effeminate men and boys to be more deserving of sex with women than masculine men.

The block bypass ate my reply -_- I like the idea of being both. Sometimes it's hard to pick. I don't like when it gets too sexual, it's weird if they're actually fucking like an adult couple. For me it's more like a perverted mother / big sister dynamic where the woman is playful but not teasing, she's actually romantic and cuddly with the boy in the way that I wish adult women had been when I was little.

>>2107 yeah I understand, I wouldn't say "dominant" or "rape" I would the shota to be shy or really turned on

>>2111 I would like something like Lucoa and Shouta

>>2109 >> woman is playful but not teasing, she's actually romantic and cuddly with the boy in the way that I wish adult women had been when I was little. BASED I just love the rosie red cheeks a reoccurring fantasy I have is being on an Island all by self and a shota were both wearing nothing but rags around our chest and hips and get to do all the things you describe here

I like the mommy and self insert as the shota of course. The mommy should be dominant yet tender; dominant shotas disrupt the natural order.

>>2106 For me, its all about how i was neglected as a child by my mother, and abused by my brothers. They would hit me sometimes, and because i was the least favorite and not wanted by my mother, she wouldnt ever do anything to stop it, no matter if there was bruising or a concussion or whatever. My dad was always working, so i didnt want to bother him with it. When i started getting older, i realized all the women id had crushes on were much older than me. Teachers, friends moms, celebrities that were 20, 30, 40 years my senior. I want the feeling of absolute safety, i want the unconditional love only a mother can give because my own couldnt be bothered and only had me because of her religious beliefs. So i look at these doujins and webms and i see myself in the boys who are having a loving, physical relationship with a mother figure that will always make time for them and cherish them. Ive never had that, even now that im married. I dont see it as rape in the slightest. I was a pretty sexual kid, long before i really knew what i was doing. But, i understood that it felt good when i jerked off, and that if i could find someone who would take care of me who could make me feel this good, and me return the feelings of love and pleasure in kind, then i could be perfectly happy with a woman much older than me. 90% of the dreams i had as a teen that involved a woman were variations of me taking Susan Sarandon or Helen Mirren out to dinner and us just laying in her bed talking afterwards, wrapped up in each other. This fetish is likely the cause of why im so submissive. Even though i cant explain any of this to the wife (she would never understand, shes very traditional and doesnt really bother to consider the feelings of others), and even though i put on a front of being dominant to a small degree in the bedroom with her, deep down im aching for her or ANYONE to make me feel loved the way good mothers love their sons. Its not just about the love and sexual pleasure, i think theres a part of me that also craves the sides of a mother that acts as an authority figure, and as a caretaker that always has wisdom and answers for any questions. There is a hole in me thats existed ever since i was a kid, and ive come to terms now with the fact that its is never going to be filled. I suspect many millennial men feel the same. Early Millennials are half a generation of men raised by women as inflation grew and fathers were out working. I loved my dad, but i never got to have a proper relationship with him because my parents divorced and courts pretty much automatically hand custody to the mother. No one ever even asked me who i preferred. So i stuck to the abuse and neglect, because its all i had. And now, here i am, 31 years old. Ill never have kids, i know id be a shit father even if i did want them. I constantly smother my wife with affection to what im sure is an annoying degree because im desperate to keep her happy, lest she lose interest in me like my own mother did. She hates when i tell her how worried i am about losing her, but she just doesnt seem to understand no matter how many ways i tell her. If my own mother, someone biologically coded to love me and take care of me, could be so bad to me, how can i ever believe another woman when they tell me they love me? TL:DR- Mom didnt give a shit about me when i was a boy, now im desperate for a relationship that combines the affection, physicality, stability and sexuality of a wife with the nurture, authority, and unlimited love of a mother despite me knowing that that isnt realistic to the world i live in. Ive done the best i can, all i can do now is hope that things work out for me.

For me it's the power dynamic, and the size difference. Something about seeing a boy in bed next to a grown woman, and her legs just extend much further than his. And of course the domination aspect. Shotas represent the pure and innocent, and then they get raped by lewd women.

I like how it seems to contradict everything we think (correctly or not) women are into. Shotas are younger, women tend to prefer older men, they are smaller, weaker, more submissive and innocent (assumedly, I do love the occasional shotadom), women tend to prefer the opposite to all these. /ss/ with very young shotas (like younger than 8) with small pps (4cm or less) tend to be the best kind of /ss/ out there, and surprisingly rare as most artists are resistant to draw ochinchin that small. It's not aesthetically unappealing. The claim is that oneechan wouldn't be happy with it, but keep in mind that yuri exists and /ll/ exists as a subgenre in that, this proves that the oneechan could have a wonderful experience with even less, yet nobody expects them to enjoy themselves with someone who's got a bit more to offer? Assuming the oneechan isn't the giving type who simply enjoys being the source of stimulation for her partner (commonly seen in yuri). If she either teaches him to use what he's got or if he's already got the skillset he needs to make the most of his opportunity (such as in the equally rare shotadom stuff) she can still enjoy the experience quite a bit. Even without that there's the psychological factor to female sexuality that allows them to draw the most enjoyment from the experience from her mental pleasure rather than from the physical part of it. The concept of conquering a giantess or being the object of her desires is definitely an element of it, it sort of folds into the list at the top, smol-d shota exaggerates this part since you are not only conquering her or drawing her to you, you are doing it with substandard equipment for the job as well. The mommydom element is there too, I guess, she's not just a partner, she's a teacher and caregiver as well. There's a common focus on breasts in /ss/ for a reason, as well the sex itself could be seen as a return to the womb, in fact /ss/ often appeals to the idea of being literally born again, but doing better this time, the self-insert element is real. In shotadom the appeal is still there, but it takes a different form. I guess there's the loss of innocence / coming of age appeal in mommydom, but in shotadom it's the idea of a false assumption of innocence being taken advantage of, also of a status-inferior male dominating a status-superior female partner who nobody expected to overcome. This is a common trait between loli and shota, the sexualization of the defiance of the cultural expectations, it's deviant everywhere, but in japanese society it deviates on multiple levels. I think it appeals to the extremes in society, either very successful and the very unsuccessful, both have stresses that would lead them to this point. For one it's empowering escapism, for the other it's disempowering humiliation. Not much else to say, though as a last thought there's the appeal of how /ss/ challenges what you perceive to be the ideal male. As stated before shotas, especially young ones with small dicks, are the exact opposite of the ideal man in many ways. Yet /ss/ treats these as positives. For the ideal man acting childlike is something shameful, especially today, but /ss/ frequently affirms the positive ways that behaving like a boy could be framed, very often it's the boyish qualities of the shota's personality that makes the oneechan desire him, even on a physical level. The need to be nurtured, provided for or protected, serves as the prelude to sex, this is the role of the ideal man and it's being taken up by the woman, the specifics of the situation allow the role reversal to become sexual. I got into /ss/ by the south park episode that covered it, "miss teacher bangs a boy". In reality the teachers were pedophiles only in the legal sense of the word, as while all the high school boys they had relations with were minors they were also all past puberty and tended towards being the older looking members of their classes. In the episode, however, the teacher was teaching kindergarten or maybe running a daycare, either way she was banging a character who was a toddler. Her attraction to him was precisely the things that would turn most women off from him aside from his age, that episode resonated with a lot of adult men who either retained some of their younger traits, or the exact opposite who would want to be loved as that kind of man. Really this genre is about what adult men want from adult women, and it's not ageplay, it's acceptance and love for what society sees as their failings, and it is the assistance to grow out of these things. Yes, the appeal of /ss/ might just be the exact same thing that gave us the manic pixie dream girls of the 90s and 00s. If only some women would come and take me in my damaged state, and give me a reason to better myself, then I could become what she wants me to be. The oneechans take a shota and patiently raise him to manhood through sex. MPDG's did the same with manchildren but through means other than sex. Kind of like those guys who fantasize about some apocalypse situation where they could prove they were a chad in disguise all along. As loner dropouts from the system they would be better equipped to live apart from it and survive, they guess (wrongly).

>>2134 I like shotadom. See my post above.

I only ever self-insert as the boy. All I want is to be a kid again and experience the intimacy I never got to have, whether it's the warm, comforting love from an older woman or that adventurous experimentation with a girl or boy my age. That's just what growing up sheltered and neglected does to you, I guess.

For me it's not so much being neglected by my parents as a child, though I suppose it could be part of it. In my case it's because growing up I had to do everything by myself. I was rarely taught anything about how to act or how to function in society and I had to figure everything out and do everything myself. My mother has some deep seated sense of obligation towards her older brother since their father (my grandfather) was often away because of his military career, so my uncle had to do almost everything outside of cooking and cleaning. This translated into my mother being overly aware of the struggles of the older child. This meant that even though I was the younger child in my family, my older sister had a lot more help from my parents and I was expected to suck it up and figure things out for myself because I was the boy, and "a man needs to do what needs to be done", whatever that means. >On a sidenote, my dad, though he was away for most of the day at work, was there for me in the evenings, but we rarely had any proper "father son" teaching moments outside of a few overlapping interests like music or fixing things around the house, and even then it was more collaboration rather than a teaching moment. It's only in recent years that we've become closer over our love of literature. Though we haven't really spoken about it, from what I know about his upbringing he was pretty much in the same boat as me since he was the only boy in his family too and his dad didn't spend much time with him either, meaning that he was mostly self-taught as well. Thinking about that thing of fetishes being hereditary, I might have epigenetics to thank for that. In school, I was the only foreign kid in my class a lot of the time, and given that I moved often, I lacked a stable social environment. I was a gifted kid but I also had undiagnosed ADHD which made my giftedness go under the radar for most teachers. I constantly felt like an outsider and became obsessed with competence, thinking that if I had skills or resources that other people might find useful, that I would be needed and not seen as a nuisance. My constant questions to the teachers would be seen as disruptive, despite me just wanting to learn. There were many other issues, but the important factor in all this is that I was left to figure things out on my own most of the time without anyone to guide me. I pretentiously felt that everyone my age was immature and clueless, despite desperately wanting to be close to them. Over time, this left me with a constant need for validation, and my need for competence degraded into a need to be in control of any situation I was in and left me with pretty horrible anxiety by the time I was 11. In regards to sexuality, it seemed like a taboo topic for me. Not because of any kind of puritanical ultra-religious upbringing but because my need to be liked. Hanging out with my cousins (All female) as a kid, I heard them gossip many times about how gross the boys in their class are and how perverted they are. They would often joke about how I was still too young to be like them but that I need to be careful not to eventually become like that too. In my understanding this made sexuality something to be ashamed about. My sister would often make fun of my weight, even though I wasn't fat back then, which combined with everything else gave me pretty low self esteem at a young age, which ironically enough contributed to my weight gain later in life. Eventually, I became something of a popular loner, being on good terms with many people but not part of any friend groups. Though I had quite a few female friends, but I wasn't that close with them. My interests seemed weird to a lot of people and their interests seemed boring to me. Though I didn't understand it at the time, I craved intimacy and acceptance, but at that age I just thought I wanted friendship. This caused me to have a cringy "Nice guy" phase from 10 to about 13, where I would be ashamed of my own sexuality and prioritized being "Nice" over any other character trait. (1/?)

>>2357 Around that time I remember having a few experiences that might have contributed to being into /ss/. The most memorable of those was when I was 10, I was on a bus on my way home from school, and it was quite packed. Being close to the end of spring, it was really hot that day. There was a girl, around her early twenties that was standing near where I was sitting. She wore tight jeans and because of how cramped it was, at one point her ass pressed into my knees. I was surprised by how soft it was, but I also felt awkward since I didn't want her to think I was copping a feel. She turned around for a moment, but upon seeing that it was just a little kid, she didn't mind it that much. She gave me a smile that seemed apologetic yet understanding, and I distinctly remember the mix of emotions it brought up within me. Later, as people shifted in the bus, she came to stand right near my seat. I remember her breasts being right above my head and her stomach was so close it was almost touching my face. She paid me no mind as she continued reading her book, but I was close enough to smell her scent, which was distinctly feminine. I was too scared to move but it felt like the most intimate I've been with anyone up to that point. She got off a stop before mine and gave me a small wave through the window as she walked away. I spent the rest of the day thinking about it, trying to understand these new feelings. Another contributor was likely my cousin who is around 13 years older than me. She came by whenever I would visit my grandparents and was almost like an older sister to me, but contrary to my actual sister, she was always very caring and understanding. I didn't really feel any sexual attraction to her, but she was one of the few people that made me feel safe. Eventually, I lost my virginity at 18, after already figuring most things out from porn and research on what feels good for women. There was no "youthful experimentation" or discovery. It was a short fling where I was expected to already know what I was doing. After that I became much more comfortable with my sexuality and I don't have those issues now, but the need to be in control is still there, and I feel like I've missed out on many core elements of my youth. Though I've had a childhood, I was denied an adolescence. Where /ss/ comes into this is that I feel that all of the above has left me with some deep seated desire to be a kid again and to have an opportunity to let go of that control. To have a sexy onee-san that would make me feel safe, loved and accepted. Someone to tell me that it's going to be ok if I don't do everything. Someone who would teach me all the things about sex that I've been too ashamed to think about. At the very least someone that I could experience things properly for the first time. Someone who I could trust and give myself to, knowing that no harm would come to me as a result. Someone older who would not brush me off as some kid, but who would devote her attention and care to me. Someone who would love me and let me know that things will be fine. Someone to hold me in her warm embrace and who would be there for me, to help me through the tough times. Funny enough, when I talked about this to my girlfriend, she said that that's the way I make her feel. She also had a bit of an "outsider" childhood and she said that I help her through things that she never learned, and the fact that I'm more than a head taller than her makes her feel small and safe when I hold her, so at the very least I'm glad that I'm able to provide what I never got to someone else. Really makes me think of that quote about the person you are today being someone who you would have felt safe with as a child. TL;DR: I grew up very lonely and neglected and had to figure everything out for myself, which left me with a need to be in control. I missed out on many childhood and adolescent experiences and felt like I had to grow up too fast. I want to be a kid again and to have a big titty mommy onee-chan teach me sex and make me feel safe, being finally able to let go of that control. (2/2)

>>2135 I feel so fucking validated.

>>2404 As you should feel, anon. I know a ton of people see boards like this as just a pedo haven, but its really not about that. Far too many people assume that men like Straight Shota because they want to look at naked kids, but its actually that most men into this fetish want to BE the kid. Men dont have the luxury of choice women do in terms of societal roles. Whether a woman wants to be a homemaker or be her own boss and prioritize career over all else, shes empowered to do so, whatever the choice. If a man isnt the breadwinner, hes looked down on as a failure. Note, im not blaming women for this in any way, im just pointing out reality. For 99% of men, staying home and being a "househusband" just isnt in the cards. People need a forum that they can vent into with like minded people, its not like any actual children are being hurt here. In reality, this board does far more good than harm. Imagine if you had to spend your entire life never being able to talk about your interests. Itd eat away at you slowly until you couldnt take it anymore, which for some people would either result in telling someone that betrays your trust, or just having a mental break altogether because of the severe isolation you feel. I know the morality of this attraction is something that a lot of people would consider disgusting, but for anyone who thinks that, i urge you to read this thread carefully. Men like us just want to be loved unconditionally. As Chris Rock once said; "Only women, children and dogs are loved unconditionally". Men (specifically their emotions) are being disregarded and thrown to the side at an alarming rate these days, and somehow you have idiots on Reddit trying to figure out why so many young boys these days look up to tards like Andrew Tate, Jordan Peterson, or Matt Walsh or some other Republican dumbshit. Men just want the same tenderness from their partners that women get. I want a fucking hug sometimes. I want someone to ask me how my fucking day was. I want to be held by a woman a foot taller than me and feel like im totally protected from the world. But you know what i want most of all? Someone to fucking talk to. I cant fucking vent to anyone. If its a woman, it somehow turns into a conversation about her and her needs. If its another guy, you feel like youre bothering them because you fucking KNOW theyre going through their own shit. What does that leave? Parents. Fathers have been there, so they know what its like, but the generational divide is too great in most occasions for things to be 100% relatable. Mother figures are the only option left then. Imagine if you could have everything you need in one woman. The infinite patience and love of a mother, and the sexuality and supportive feeling of "we can take on the world together" of a wife. Thats what men get out of SS. A fantasy, an escape from this shit world into that of a life that will never be.

All these complex backstories man. I just like it because my mom's so hot I was aware of her hotness when I was a boi.

>>3586 its plenty meaningful to others, anon. just because its not meaningful to you doesnt mean others are making up what they say. while no one heree can post proof, no one here is vying for karma or some bullshit like reddit. people have less reason to lie when anonymous.

>>3962 right? I wonder what it feels like to come to such a forum like /ss/ just to try to make people feel bad about sharing their experiences?... I hope they get some kind of high out of it

I am pretty happy with my life. I have a good job that allows me to live comfortably enough, I'm on good terms with my family, I have a loving girlfriend whom I love very much, my group of friends is supportive and fun, basically nothing to complain about. However, any time that I really think about how unattainable this fetish is I get hit by an overwhelming sadness and just want to curse god. It's not just knowing that nothing like this has happened to me, but knowing that at this point it never will. Somehow the fact that I was never spoiled or even molested by an older woman as a kid just makes me hurt and seethe to the point that I genuinely wonder what the point of living is. It's gotten so bad that I've even gotten suicidal from knowing that this will never happen to me. I've opened up about it to my gf and she actually enjoys roleplaying as the older woman (babysitter, neighborhood milf, etc.) but she's younger than me and very short. Though I love her so much, it will never be the same as what my /ss/ fantasy is. I have a good life. But if I could go to sleep and wake up back in 2010 or earlier, I would give it all up in a heartbeat just for a chance to live out my ss dreams.

>>3998 I'm in the exact same situation, although it doesn't depress me, thankfully. Using AI services and roleplay partners (the scant few I've found into that kind of thing) is my way of dissipating any build up with regards to my feelings about /ss/ scenarios.

>>4001 Do you use ST by chance? I used to be on the jew proxy but it seem it shut down...

>>4002 NovelAI for story style stuff, ST for stuff that is styled as chat RP.

>>3998 >knowing that at this point it never will

I wanna be a little boy with a big mommy to love me and let me cum inside her I want mommy I want milk I want to be held I want to be comforted

I self insert as the shota. I was neither neglected nor molested growing up, simply I was an early bloomer and puberty hit me like a ton of bricks before my age even got into the double digits, so I had crushes on substitute teachers, actresses, neighbors, singers, friends of the family, college student teachers, basically everything EXCEPT family members. As a result I find most /SS/ scenarios annoying because they are, so often incest or fauxcest. Hell even calling her "Mommy" is weird and a major turn off for me. which means a LOT of /SS/ I either look at without text or in japanese or other language that doesn't use the roman language or even cyrillic as even there the "mama" becomes clear. I make an exception for "kaa-san" or "Okaa-san" because A) it sounds nothing like "mother" and B) because I can mentally file it in the same category as "onee-san" which is simply a term used to describe an older girl that one is close to. So "okaa-san" becomes a more intimate version of "oba-san" akin to "onee-san" but with a larger age difference. Sadly the majority of /ss/ hentai is the same sort of things, Incest or random Strangers picking up shotas on the street. Despite the fact that there are a near infinite number of possibilities for some fun scenarios I rarely see, or if I do often devolve into incest almost immediately. Like an X-Rated version of Commander Keen type space adventure where a shota goes around battling aliens and fucking space babes. (I've seen very few of these but most either involve incest and/or kill off members of the harem, which is another thing I despise. I don't want tragedy in my porn least of all if it's a hot woman/love interest that gets killed...) Call me picky but it's more that there are certain recurring tropes that put me off even looking for new stuff since it's so common. Another common trend is that the vast majority has is the way the "dom" and "sub" stuff tends to be borderline rape every single time, (either the woman with the shota or the shota on the woman) Ideally I'd rather both be PASSIONATE about the situation and eager to get started. That being said I'm glad I found this board.

>>2106 >What do you like about ss? I wish it was me. I think it stems from me when I was a kid having a few formative crushes on teen girls, and it just stuck. I fucking wish that they'd have "abused" me. So to this day, "younger boy with teenage girl" is my bread and butter.

>>2106 >What do you like about ss? I like older women, always had since I was young. Simple as.

Had a shit childhood, lots of neglect and abuse that was so bad, it kept me from being able to make friends at school. So I missed out on every social experience you can think of. Making friends, hanging out with them after school, getting your first relationship, sexual experimentation, etc. And it's too late to make up for any of it now because I'm in my 30s. People can tell there's something wrong with me because I don't know the first thing about socializing, so I don't even get a chance to practice and learn. /ss/ is the closest I'll get to feeling the intimacy I should've had growing up. I know children (probably) don't do all the sexual shit you see, but fapping allows me to at least feel something and imagine being a happy child.

>>2106 I 100% like it because it's a wish-fulfillment fantasy. I become the boy in the illustration/story. The boy is a conduit between me and the woman in the illustration/story. I live vicariously through him to experience a sexual act. I was a lonely, awkward, possibly level 1 spectrum jewish and teenager. I jerked off all the goddamn time, always imagining someone else was there to catch my load. I look at ss and suddenly I'm transported back in time. The difference is that in this reality, I have extra help.

>>2106 I think that as a man you're expected to be a provider and a protector (Not that it's a bad thing) and you are largely defined by/loved for what you're able to do, or at the very least your potential. Only women and animals are loved for what they are. Men are loved for what they can do. ss touches that deep part of my being that allows me to vicariously feel what it's like to be loved even if I can't give anything in exchange. To know that even without my physical strength, my height or my resources, I can still be loved, cared for, and desired.

I was sexually abused and molested multiple times by much older girls as a vefy young child, so shota content gives me agency in turning trauma into fantasy. I get to block the painful, traumatic side of what occured to me over and over and only focus on pleasure, as well as in a safe environment. I'm lucky enough to have a partner that also loves shota, so it becomes a roleplay scenario, fantasy fulfilment, and sexual healing all rolled into one. Shot lets me have agency over a very long, difficult part of my life when I had zero agency.