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Tokusatsu General Thread Anonymous 09/14/2022 (Wed) 23:48:01 No. 1015
Since we have no /m/, this is the next best thing. Discuss all things tokusatsu past & present. The latest Kamen Rider entry, Kamen Rider Geats, has just started. Feel free to as how to get into the franchise as well as the best sub options available.
>>3783 Did Diend's actor produce any shows? If not, then I'm clueless about who the other anon meant. Looking on reddit, there is all kinds of hearsay about this supposed Kyoryuger producer who allegedly forced Daigo's actor to go shirtless for some scenes, and the actor allegedly being outspoken against it ever since. Not a single source given though.
>>3784 >Did Diend's actor produce any shows? Nah, I pointed him out since he's really outspoken about being gay for Tsukasa. >the actor allegedly being outspoken against it ever since It's such a weird allegation since not only is he a model before Kyoryuger, he's done much more afterwards https://archive.md/QMXyn He's a lover of a middle aged woman here looking for revenge, I'm not sure what's more fujobait than that. https://archive.md/HMGnV Oh right, being naked with another man.
>>3785 >he's really outspoken about being gay for Tsukasa Repulsive. I hope he gets shot to death. >He's a lover of a middle aged woman here looking for revenge Even more repulsive. Olds women should go back to being burned alive. >being naked with another man Peak repulsive. No wonder tokusatsu is declining. It went after the mentally ill audience, instead of mentally healthy fans. Now, nobody likes it in Japan.
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So the SH Monsterarts for Godzilla Minus One has turned out to be a mess. Typical SHM problems like a bad sculpt, bad paint, & misaligned eyes. But now Super 7 is throwing their hat in the ring.
>>3808 That is what you get with over detailed designs. They end up a mess, and ugly. There is a reason why previous designs and redesigns were kept simple: it works, and it looked good. I can't help but notice a parallel between this and the "returning" movies of Super Sentai. Specifically, Abaranger 20th years and the recently announced Dekaranger 20th years. The actors all look like a mess, old, tired and ugly. It make mes feel bad for seeing them return, instead of hyped for it. Tokusatsu companies should take care to consider how to present nostalgia back. If it doesn't look good, it causes instant rejection. Be it costumes, toy lines or actors.
I saw Minus One in theaters on Friday. While it's really good, it's short of being great. The human story is great. It's dramatic & memorable. But what's lacking is Godzilla himself. He doesn't feel like a character in the story so much as a generic monster. They don't tie him in well to the protagonists own struggle & trauma caused by Godzilla. What I mean is the story deals primarily with survivor's guilt & how the protagonist, Koichi, was unable to pull the trigger against a pre-mutated Godzilla while he slaughtered a station of airplane mechanics around him. Ultimately Koichi's struggle continues to be how he just wants to live. Something that isn't tied in with Godzilla who was first disturb on his island then is disturbed from his waters when the Americans testing a bomb mutates him into the Godzilla we see. The movie's very blunt about it's commentary & messages but takes no time to acknowledge Godzilla being a living creature who wants to live or even what his motivations are for attacking. At most they assume he's taking over Japan as his territory on land. I wanted more introspection into Godzilla we normally get in Toho's movies. >>3809 It's not overdesigned. SHMA Godzillas just tend to have horrible quality control on the paint. Especially the eyes.
>>3813 >human story >lacking is Godzilla The whole movie is automatically shit then.
>>3814 No. Godzilla's still in it plenty. It's just less about Godzilla & more about the humans. Which isn't always bad but they needed to have the time to actually talk about him.
>>3821 >It's just less about Godzilla & more about the human That makes the whole movie be shit.
So Boonboonger was finally revealed and, as expected, it looks like shit. The name of this sentai was a giveaway about it being just another dumb show for dumb children, just like Gochard is, and now the images confirmed it. I suspect that someone at Toei or Bamco is actively sabotaging their tokusatsu shows, after the success of Geats and the good reception (at first) of King Ohger.
>>3864 I'm more surprised they got Atsuhiro Tomioka as head writer. https://www.animenewsnetwork.com/encyclopedia/people.php?id=1623 >the good reception (at first) of King Ohger. Seems to be still good from a general search. It didn't exactly have a good reception at the start since people were concerned of the tv budget due to the usage of the LED studios (besides the Hibino LED studio that was used for the Donbrothers mech fights, King Ohger was using Toei's newly built LED studio).
>>3865 Giving how toys sales were low and the ratings didn't improve that much, I am not surprised that Toei went after Tomioka. The majority of tokusatsu/dorama writers are a bunch oif literal cucks who are only capable of writing about characters being cucked or being in unsolved love triangles, forgetting that the audience doesn't really care about it, as the ratings and sales show. The era of writing stories for old women is long over, and if those hacks aren't replaced by actually talented writers, tokusatsu will die. So, this is a good first step at least. The problem is that it looks more like that Decade situation with Gackt: they got a "talent" way past his prime.
>>3866 >The majority of tokusatsu/dorama writers are a bunch oif literal cucks who are only capable of writing about characters being cucked or being in unsolved love triangles, Going off by the past 6 shows >LuPat There's Touma who rescues his wife who was frozen since before the beginning. Sakuya having a crush on Umika ended up with them on mutual terms since she returned as a Lupinranger by the end along with the other two for some reason. >Ryusoulger This I can somewhat agree with since Canalo's only character was to get a wife and failing almost every episode. Luckily, this was the only show Junpei Yamaoka's worked on. >Kiramager Juru got together with his bully. I don't think there was a way for Tametomo to have gotten together with a split personality of the main villain. >Zenkaiger I don't think there was an actual romance plot, the focus was more on family. I guess when Vroom fell in love with a human woman in that one episode? >Donbrothers Inoue unexpectedly solved the love triangle by having Sononi live and paired with Tsubasa (his initial plot was to kill the first Sono trio wave one by one but changed his mind because he like Sonoi's acting). >King Ohger Don't know who else was paired here besides Racles and Kaguragi's sister and the pair was pretty good. >The problem is that it looks more like that Decade situation with Gackt Getting Gackt was the least of Decade's problems. An anniversary show where the plot is separate alternate universes with only the gimmicks intact and the protagonists act different is a show no one's going to give a shit about since it wasn't the characters they recognize. It's why I find Zi-O miles better despite complaints of continuity (which I'm not sure how anyone will do on a tv budget with almost 20 years of content plus some of them probably contradicting each other). >they got a "talent" way past his prime. I noticed that it has been pattern since Ryusoulger for every other super sentai to be written by a toku veteran with Toshiki Inoue for Donbrothers and Naruhisa Arakawa for Kiramagers then a guest or new writer for the next with Junpei Yamaoka for Ryusoulgers and Minato Takano for King Ohger.
>>3867 The fact that love triangles exist is already cuckery. Why not have a male character with a harem of beautiful girls all for himself, as a start? Why not make a show for men, that men want to watch? Or at least men and boys too, if they want a lighthearted show? Why they still produce garbage for women, when it is clear that women aren't saving the ratings nor the toy sales? That is my biggest complain. If shows are going badly, the producers have only themselves to blame, for pandering to women instead of the real audience, which is men of many different ages. It is always a bunch of men fighting over one woman, with only rarely some other woman ccoming into play, but it is always the already engaged (or first engaged) character that loses his woman to another man. Also, I mentioned tokusatsu. As a whole. Not just Sentai. The whole point is: sales are low (even when they go up, they are still at their lowest for many years), ratings are low and sometimes (like Lupat, unfortunately) past beyond cancel-worthy low. Pandering to the deranged minds of old women is not profitable. I mentioned Gackt because he was paraded as some sort of "big achievement for tokusatsu" when he did Decade's opening song, but nobody really cared. He was already old and abandoned by the dumb teenager girls (redundant term, I know) by that time, and most tokusatsu fans never cared about him or his songs. He had no appeal whatsoever, as his audience didn't like tokusatsu, didn't like HIM anymore, and the tokusatsu audience didn't like him either. Decade's lame plot had mostly to do with the overwhelmingly bad writing for all the alternate universes. Everything felt like bad fanfiction. A good written show could have been good even with the alternate universe retardation. Kuuga's world was mostly the same, with minor alterations. It was pleasant and good enough. Then everything else was shit. All other universes had bad writing and idiotic concepts for their lore. That was Decade's biggest problem. This pattern that you mentioned is also something that can make or break a show. King Ohger as a nice world building plot and soem good characters. But then you have things like Gochard and now the dubious Boonboonger. It looks like the companies involved only give chances to good writers when those companies perceive that they have nothing to lose. But as soon as a little bit of better reception (or even success) is achieved, they give the shows to bad writers or to writers that don't care about the genre and just write cliché stories. Ryusoulger and Kiramager both felt boring to watch. The kind of "nothing interesting really happens aside for the toys and gimmicks", while Zenkaiger felt the same for the most part, saved only by a few homages to older shows. This approach of "toys first, writing second" is making a lot of shows feel boring and it is not improving the toy sales either, so the companies are better to change that if they want to keep those shows existing.
And now, the movie Kamen Rider 555/Faiz Paradise Regained was leaked. And as expected, the movie is shit. What is even the point of making those anniversary movies, if the writers and directors will just ruin (or ruin even more) the original shows, by adding even more plot holes, distort the characters and just straight up kill anything good that the shows had? I do believe that those movies are nothing more than a money laundering scheme, given how they all basically flop and are quickly forgotten, but the companies keep making them. Nonetheless, if you even remotely enjoyed the (already full of plot holes) original Faiz tv show, stay away from this movie. It is pure cancer from beginning to end. >inb4 muh sex scene between Takumi and Mari AS Orphenocs Nothing was shown. It is just fetish bait to deceive retards into wasting money on the movie, thinking that they will see Mari (now an old hag, as the actress aged like cheese) naked. Speaking of baits, the ending has another of the now frequent (at least in Toei's shitty movies) sequel bait, so the "story" (there is only bad fanfiction in there, really) is again, inconclusive. So, the movie was falsely advertised as being "THE definitive end to the Faiz saga", and retards believed that, still wanting a conclusion to that idiotic and rushed "ending" from the original show, more than 20 years ago. THIS is what you get for not shutting up: a bunch of corporate suits ordered some hacks to just do whatever, and now the story is even worse, with even more plot holes, and STILL not concluded. Enjoy your cancer on the 30th, 4th, whatever anniversary movies that the company will release 10,m 20, 30 years from now, to bait you idiots into wasting time and money on.
>>3913 > What is even the point of making those anniversary movies, if the writers and directors will just ruin (or ruin even more) the original shows, by adding even more plot holes, distort the characters and just straight up kill anything good that the shows had? Anon, Inoue wrote the damn thing with one of the original show's director, Ryuta Tasaki as director. Why do you think there was hype to begin with besides having the original cast? >It is just fetish bait to deceive retards into wasting money on the movie The Takumi and Mari pairing was enough bait ever since the original but Mari had such a convoluted relationship between Aki(the bully) and Kusaka(the bullied) both falling in love with her while Takumi didn't give two shits because he was too busy trying to survive and dealing with Yuji and the fact that he was an orphnoch in the later episodes. Even Paradise Lost was a tease with both of them riding away into the sunset. >the ending has another of the now frequent (at least in Toei's shitty movies) sequel bait, so the "story" (there is only bad fanfiction in there, really) is again, inconclusive. Again, Inoue wrote the damn thing. Besides Agito, have you ever seen any other of his endings to be conclusive?(Not to mention the use timeskip for every one them since Jetman in the 90's)
>>3914 The fact that Inoue and original cast were involved doesn't change the fact that the movie is shit. Again: what is the reason to bring back those movies, if they will get ruined (even if ruined by the original writers and directors)? I am not talking about the relationship between characters. I am talking about the lame "sex" scene that was hyped as the biggest thing ever by retarded fans since the info was leaked, and it ended up being just a embarrassing scene, comical in how bad it is, and with no actual sex scenes involved. Again, retarded fans were baited by fake advertisement and hyped the movie for free, like the idiots that they are. > Inoue wrote the damn thing So? That doesn't exempt it from criticism. He is not sacred to do anything he wants with the story. Even him, as writer and director, must follow rules. But since he doesn't, the movie ended up like that: pure cancer. And yes, I watched Inoue's shows. And he is a hack. Plain and simple. All of his shows and stories are shit. Precisely because of how inconsistent he is, and how he always ends things with sequel bait. THAT is my complaint: the movie was advertised as a CONCLUSION. Not another open ended story with sequel bait. The sooner Inoue dies, the better.
>>3916 >Again: what is the reason to bring back those movies, if they will get ruined (even if ruined by the original writers and directors)? >Anon doesn't get nostalgia baiting They've been doing this with the showa riders since the Heisei era, how are you surprised doing this in the Reiwa era isn't any different? Especially with how Faiz is seemingly popular with the nips. >I am talking about the lame "sex" scene that was hyped as the biggest thing ever by retarded fans since the info was leaked From what I looked up, this hype you claim was because of the controversy behind it(first draft was supposed to be human on orphnoch form which both Takumi and Mari's actors declined). So it seems more like genuine curiosity on what this trainwreck will look, like Inoue did with Hibiki rather than actual enthusiasm. >So? That doesn't exempt it from criticism. He is not sacred to do anything he wants with the story. Even him, as writer and director, must follow rules. But since he doesn't, the movie ended up like that: pure cancer. You've just missed the point, He's not exempt from criticism but because he has a track record you should have the very least expected the movie to be bad. From your ranting it's clear that you're the perfect audience from this kind of cancer because you barely do any research on who worked on the media you're consuming, complain in generalities then consume again even if the next piece of media is from the same team. Are you the same faggot claiming he has nip fans for sources but can't even name a single writer/director/producer besides Inoue?
>>3917 I am not surprised. I am complaining about it still happening. It must stop. My expectations were always low, due to being Inoue (THE worst director, writer and producer of all time in tokusatsu), but my complaints are directed towards the companies itself: those movies ALWAYS flop. Every single one of those "(insert years) later" flopped. so why still make them? The highest a movie ever earned was still the Decade All Riders movie, more than a decade ago. Since then, every celebratory movie, both in sentai and rider, have lowered it's earnings. so, what is the point? My guess is money laundering. Aside from that, what is even the point of making those cancers? Any media where you need to do research before enjoying it is automatically shit. The best thing about it is how everyone is simply moving away from it all, as the sales numbers are showing a lower than ever amount of earnings. The same team should be FORCED to change their ways, to make better media. And if they don't, then be fired and never hired again.
Ignoring the schizo edgelord again, I'm actually enjoying Gotchard. It finds it's stride after the 10th episode. Not that it was actually bad till then. It just didn't find a strong connection yet. I'm glad I gave it another chance.
>>3921 >muh schizo >muh edgy bad Found the plebbitor. No wonder you like shit.
Looking up more on the Faiz leaks, anon here is just embarrassing himself. Plebbit https://archive.md/DGYyw RetardEra https://archive.md/OoygI and even fucking Twatter knew Inoue was writing and Tasaki directing the damn movie months before the movie leak and this faggot kept ragging on how about the new writers and directors ruining the movie and it's not even a leak. I'm questioning how you even found this basket weaving site unless someone directed and paid you to be a faggot here. >>3921 They added a third writer on Rinne's rider debut so I would advise to expect some shared writing styles. It's Toshiki Inoue's daughter, Akiko Inoue https://friday.kodansha.co.jp/article/358094. How many episodes will she write? 2 so far and we'll just have to wait if there's more
>>3937 The only reason Inoue wouldn't be writing an anniversary movie of his most popular Kamen Rider series would be if he was busy doing something else. Don't know how someone could be surprised he's directing it.
>>3937 >>3939 The movie just proves that Inoue is shit.
So Core Medal of Resurrection & Paradise Regained are I guess going to be the trend of non-canon direct series sequel movies. Which would be fine if they just made it clear they're meant to be their own things. Toei at least made a supposed statement that it is ignoring the events of Kamen Rider 4 deliberately. So by that you can infer it's not canon. Would be nice though if a real genuine sub group would cover it then. Instead of being stuck with Flame's localization shitpost subs. He's a fucking plague on Kamen Rider subbing. >>4016 Different argument.
>>4038 I find it hilarious that Inoue might be getting more work if they intend to to follow the trend of having the original show writers work on the anniversary movies with Blade, Hibiki, Kabuto and Kiva (Den-O being a sole exception since it's a Yasuko Kobayashi work) 20th for the next 5 years. >Faiz I just find it retarded to name the Faiz one Paradise Regained when Paradise Lost exists not to mention Paradise Lost having a better grimdark setting than the tv series.
>>4041 >I just find it retarded to name the Faiz one Paradise Regained when Paradise Lost exists That's the point. Paradise Lost is "What if the heroes lost & humanity suffered?". While Paradise Regained is "What happened after the ending years later?". Arguably also playing into how phone technology has advanced.
>>4045 But Regained wasn't a sequel to Lost but to the tv series is what I'm getting at and with a title like that, I was expecting a follow up to Lost's story. >Core Medal of Resurrection Missed this one, all I know from it is that Eiji dies and it turned me off from watching. Based on the poster did Eiji exchange his life for Ankh or give him his body, finally granting his desire?
>>4049 Read anon. I'm not saying it's a sequel to Lost. It's a sequel to the series. There's no where they could've gone with making a sequel to Lost. Though if this movie's also a non-canon other timeline movie then it doesn't really matter as a series sequel either. Eiji dies in the beginning. A need Greeed took over his body & can't be separated or else Eiji will die die for real. At the end, Ankh takes over his body so they can beat him. Then Eiji dies surrounded by his friends & just happy he was able to save lives.
>>4051 >There's no where they could've gone with making a sequel to Lost >Smart Brain being a one world government due to them converting most of humanity into orphnochs It's a common set up so there's something there to work on but I have to partially agree since part of the appeal of Regained was having the old cast and staff back and Lost wiped out most of the cast. >OOO I assume killing Eiji twice is a twist for those who've kept up with OOO since they've been killing Ankh on every crossover movie. It's predictable but they better revive Eiji for the 20th.
>>4056 Japanese productions are declining in quality and becoming just like American comic books: nothing is permanent and nothing is conclusive anymore. Any loss or death is undone whenever iut is convenient for the writers and producers of whatever new movie (stand alone, crossover or celebratory) comes out next. No matter if it takes 1, 10 or 20+ years, at some point, everything that was set and done in one show will be undone in the future by some idiot That is why I don't care anymore about any of the extra content or expanded universe (prequels, sequels and side stories) of any tokusatsu show. They all suck. And they suck exactly because the ones inolved in their production always retcon and change what was done before, just to sell toys or to create a convenient excuse to bring back some popular actor. The movies and specials make the shows worse.
>>4189 >create a convenient excuse to bring back some popular actor Can you cite an example? If anyting, TOEI is either incompetent or lazy to bring popular actors back. >The movies and specials make the shows worse. Depends, Paradise Lost is what Faiz should've been, God Speed Love is a better origin for Kabuto. Some of the series also end up in a situation where the Rider has to continue to be a Rider(Blade, W, Ex-Aid) or just outright shit(Faiz and Hibiki) that there's a demand for an epilogue or something conclusive.
>>4192 Example? All crossover and celebratory movies from the past decade. From heroes to villains and "final bosses" all coming back in one way or another. And that cancer that is Outsiders. >Depends Not, it doesn't. After Decade, the movies simply ruin the show's lore in one way or another, by undoing some key plot point. and that is done AGAIN years later, in t he case of celebratory movies, having the plot and key points ruined even further.
>>4189 You're complaining about having the very same actors from the show come back to do a movie related to the show? >>4227 Some of these shows ruin their own lore, Ghost being the biggest contender in the Neo-Heisei era. Let's not forget some of these movies are written by the show writers themselves.
As expected, Toei is now pushing alcohol to children. Since that law was approved last year, the one that allows minors to consume alcohol now in Japan, I was predicting that children's shows would start pushing aslcohol at some point. And here it is. This week's Boom Boongerr had a in-your-face alcohol advertisement for children, with the so called 'heroes" all gathered in a bar/nightclub, each drinking different types of cocktails and shown to be enjoying it. Expect way more decadence like that in future shows.
>>4229 >You're complaining about having the very same actors from the show come back to do a movie related to the show? I'm complaining about the anniversary movies existing in the first place. The plot is always shit. The actors are old. The directors and writers don't care about making a good story. Those movies should not exist. See if you understand this simple concept, retard: those movies are all shit and it would be better if they were never made. >Let's not forget some of these movies are written by the show writers themselves. Anonymous 06/23/2024 (Sun) 05:46:28 No. 4240 And that doesn't change the fact that they are shit. Who cares if it is the same guy writing, when the writing is shit? "The origi9nal creator approved this/did this" is no excuse to allow them to be shit.


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