>>16551 >Harley Quinn is a popular character DC wants to market. Is she really though? She was from the animated series till the early 2000s but she's never had a massive normie following. Well aside from washed up mothers trying to pretend they're still young wanting to dress as the Suicide Squad version of her.

>Starro Robot Chicken did this 5 years ago. That's how late they are.

>>16552 >normie The word is normalfag if you had lurked for even a week you would have known this you colossal newfag.

>>16552 She is popular enough for DC to put her in everything they can, and she was popular with normalfags since Batman Arkham games and then even more so after the first Suicide Squad film. DC saw an opportunity to turn Harley Quinn into their version of Deadpool. She got multiple comic book series, was front and center of marketing for both Suicide Squad films, got her own film (that flopped because it was shit and had a dumb title), animated series, animated long feature film, and is prominently featured in every DC related video game.

>>16568 A constant push doesn't always mean popularity. Especially in comics. Captain Marvel, Kamala Khan, Squirrel Girl, & America Chavez aren't popular. They keep getting pushed. Harley is no different. DC wanted to revamp her as her own solo girl power character because it was the woke thing to do. Not because there was reader demand.

>>16500 They only force shipped on account of the Harley & Ivy episode of BATAS and 2001 comic. If it hadn't been for those, Harley would still be Joker's lovable, stooge. >>16552 What was done for Harley can easily be done for Mercy Graves or even Baby Doll's assistant Merriam. >>16568 >DC saw an opportunity to turn Harley Quinn into their version of Deadpool. People say that and I have yet to see it. DC can make Livewire into the new Harley, if they shoved her as much. But an answer to Marvel's merc-with-a-mouth? No. Tankgirl, kind of.

>>16572 And it would work about as well. Lackey minions should remain lackey minions.

Thankfully The Suicide Squad has flopped at the box office hard. I don't think even HBO Max streaming will return any profits. How many people seriously even use it compared to Netflix, Hulu, or Amazon? Hell they didn't even make their marketing budget back.

>>16621 >How many people seriously even use it compared to Netflix, Hulu, or Amazon? My family is getting it for free as a phone plan. I've mostly been using it to watch movies and cartoons that are over 30 years old, meanwhile the rest of the family has reverted back to watching the DVDs we have of films and TV shows. It's that barren.

>>16621 I use it a fair amount but like >>16626 said it's kinda barren aside from niche stuff and some older favorite movies of mine, otherwise Netflix and Hulu dominate my watching. Putting day 1 release theatre shit onto their site was a massive blunder on their part, most every theatre release they had on there so far was utter shit except the new Mortal Kombat movie(and the animated Scorpian movie,) which was fucking great. Aside from those I can't really think of anything memorable they've stuck on there aside from older horror and action movies which any fan of said movies would already have on DVD/VHS/Blu-ray already at this point. It's not a total waste of a streaming service, but it's damn close.

>>16627 >utter shit except the new Mortal Kombat movie Anon that movie sucked hard. At least that Scorpion movie at least tried to actually adapt the original game's story. The live action movie isn't even a Mortal Kombat movie. There's no tournament. It's the kind of movie that existed as a script no one wanted so they made it into MK very loosely on the condition the director could have his OC.

>>16631 Its technically a prequel with a self insert OC as the main protagonist.

>>16633 It's not. Because it ends with a lead in to Shao Kahn ready to invade Earth. Not to mention it completely fucks the lore of Scorpion & Sub Zero. There was also no need for anyone to do anything. Because, like I said, there's no tournament yet. The plot happens because Shang Tsung wants to cheat by killing the competition. The only reason Raiden can't just win the tournament himself is because he's not allowed to interfere. But there is no tournament yet! He should have free rein to kick ass!

>>16635 >But there is no tournament yet! >Because it ends with a lead in to Shao Kahn ready to invade Earth. That's what a prequel is.

>>16636 Again it's not a prequel because it's trying to do the first game's story just like the Scorpion movie did. It's just a shitty adaptation that gets it all wrong.

>>16631 It's not as if they couldn't have analyzed the 1995 film for its best and worse attributes. >There's no tournament. And they thought that would fly? Then again, these people rarely dive into the lore of what they try to make a movie and/or animated adaption of.

>>16639 And that's the problem that ties back to Harley Quinn too. These fucking companies & people just don't give a shit. They don't respect what actually came before. They don't want to adapt. They want to make fanfiction completely detached from the legacy of writing actual creators put the work into.

I used to like her a lot, but she is just Joker' sidekick with great character design and basically that's why everyone liked her in the first place. >>3303 >have continually tried to adapt Batman Beyond, even though it never quite works That's because those comics are made by talentless hacks who never watched the entire cartoon series and also BB is cursed franchise. >>16413 >Waller Is there version of her that doesn't suck? Or she doomed to be shitty character as she is boring glowniggeress instead of fun supervillain. >>3205 >her outfit quite generic You mean her original outfit?! Because that, the Royal Flush gang (from Batman Beyond) and BB Batsuit are easily some, if not the best designs by Bruce Timm, they're beautifully simple and sleek and their color scheme is just prefect. >>16434 >>16435 The slutty street wear makes it easy for merch clothing and allow lazy filthy casualfags to cosplay. If they're going to stray away from the original simple costume, they should at least keep it true to the Jester theme, I'd love to see elements such as upper puffy sleeves, puffy short pants, ribbons, more lace, more pompons or bells (pics related). >>16572 >>16576 >Harley would still be Joker's lovable, stooge >Lackey minions should remain lackey minions When I watched JL and Joker slapped Harley Quinn so hard she reeled, it really hit me hard pun intended how she is nothing more and nothing less than Joker' (abused) sidekick. >>16647 They just want to use an existing franchise because it easier and cheaper than coming up with something new and to hell with it being "outdated" or having to go through previous/original iteration/s.

I like the HBO Max show at first but now I want it to end. They show took to spending an entire season building up to things only to undo them in 3 minutes to go back to the status quo. I'm sick of watching for pointless plots that go nowhere. Joker as mayor was INTERESTING but hey, throw that away. Bruce in jail for tax evasion? That will be ignored soon. Ivy is fucking boring. The season-long Kite Man relationship was pointless. BIG thing happened? Time travel it away, I guess. Oh Harley's tits? I can see hentai of her, fanservice has no value these days. Potato Harley was more pointless shit. Nightwing will end up being more of nothing, he'll be back to normal soon. If the writers don't care then why the FUCK should I?

>>16636 No it isn't. A prequel is a story that takes place before a previously released story. Shao Khan invading Earth isn't the plot of Mortal Kombat, it's the plot of Mortal Kombat 3. So this is not a prequel, it's just a very, very loose adaptation of the original game, setting up the same basic elements shown in the first two games, but in a lamer way. Even if you have bad taste and like it, it's certainly not a prequel. Funny how the defender is the one who knows nothing about what he's talking about.

>>16647 Just like Joker now being in runny makeup because he's a burrthurt white loser who women won't touch? And Harley in the sequel has no titties because Lady Gaga is flat, as well as aging.

>>40621 That's not Joker's motivation in the movie. Maybe try watching it, retard. Also, no other version of the character is doing anything like that. And he doesn't even have very runny makeup in the recent movie. That's The Dark Knight, which came out 16 years ago. But no other versions followed that one very closely either, and it also doesn't fit the character motivation you describe. Why did you come here, by the way? You come to the one site where things that make you butthurt aren't banned, just to make yourself butthurt. I don't get it.

>>2860 >her cartoon hasn't been renewed By the power of (((King David Zaslav))), sacrifice her shitty show along with the Kite Man's spinoff in exchange of a Venture Bros movie sequel.

I like her design in "The Batman"

>>40813 The Batman in general gets a lot of unwarranted hate and missed opportunities.

>>3297 >An out of continuity title doesn't excuse the poor writing of the mainline titles. Multiversal and universal reset retardation means everything is technically in-continuity. The original complaint was about people sucking off BTAS when too many villains have tragic backstories, so to bring up the comics and other continuities in regards to it, when it itself is internally consistent, is just verging off topic.

>>40814 >Gets a lot of unwarranted hate It's "character is re-imagined as a younger hipper version of themselves to appeal to kids" scenario. Those never turn out well. I dropped it as soon as I saw their version of the Joker, which to me in retrospect feels like a precursor to the Jared Leto Joker which came with the "hip new" Harley Quinn design that they've been trying to push over the original.

>>40844 Leto Joker and TBM Joker are nowhere similar. Leto Joker is just All-Star Joker but even worse. TBM Joker has a crap ton of personality compared to Leto. He's more a mixture between BTAS Joker and Creeper. Same with Harley, TBM Harley is more of a sweet ditzy girlfriend that's adorable while film Harley is just a whore.

>>40843 >Multiversal and universal reset retardation means everything is technically in-continuity. "In continuity" doesn't matter if it's in continuity but about a different Batman and different Gotham City. Yeah, it happened somewhere in the multiverse, but an explanation in another universe doesn't necessarily apply to the first universe. I get you just want to complain about multiverse bullshit, but this isn't the way to do it. Or maybe we agree and are just talking past each other. Does the DCAU never imply the Gotham City Police Department, or justice system in general, is corrupt? I could have sworn it did. But it's been a while, and it's such an ingrained part of the whole Batman idea that I sort of take it for granted. Especially in a kids' show, where the tone is dark. I feel like the tone being so dark is enough to imply it without saying it explicitly. HOWEVER, while the initial example was of DCAU Mr. Freeze, the complaint that came with it was about his influence. That's clearly referring to the wider capeshit genre and not just the DCAU. If anything, the DCAU did it slightly less than other versions. DCAU never did The Killing Joke, or went into detail about Lex Luthor's abusive father, for example. There are tons of villains in the DCAU who don't get tragic backstories, though admittedly some do. Harley Quinn is more tragic in the show than the comics, even though her origin episode adapts a comic (despite the fact that she was introduced in the show), but just by censoring it and not making her a whore that fucked her way through med school, she becomes much more tragic. But that almost feels by accident, since it seems more like censorship of the story than an attempt to make her more tragic. That said, there are many examples, like The Killing Joke, and Luthor's abusive dad, that are from the comics and predate DCAU Mr. Freeze. But it might be a reasonable argument to say Mr. Freeze made it even more popular, since it was such a good episode. What really made it work was that he was really seen as a one-note villain with nothing to him but his gimmick. Taking those guys and giving them pathos, especially pathos that relates to his gimmick (he's a villain because he puts up a cold exterior due to tragedy), is a good thing to do. It doesn't always have to be tragedy, but thinking about what makes the character already work, then adding depth of some sort related to that, is of course a good thing to do. >>40870 >implying pic related doesn't have tons of personality

>>40885 >Or maybe we agree and are just talking past each other Yes. >but an explanation in another universe doesn't necessarily apply to the first universe Which is my point. >I get you just want to complain about multiverse bullshit, but this isn't the way to do it. Yes it is, because anons are making excuses for one Batman universe, BTAS, by using events from other universes, because "technically it's all canon".

>>40885 Leto Joker has no personality in that there's no definition to him. He's aping Heath Ledger's first year philosophy nonsense with a dash of religious imagery in ZS's JL cut. Nothing we haven't see before. He doesn't have his own character. For as much as I hate Heath Ledger's Joker, he has a defined personality & way of acting. Arthur Fleck does too. Nicholson is the closest to actually acting like comic Joker but still has his own quirks thrown in.

>>40942 No they aren't. The initial bit was just citing an incredibly basic aspect of Batman stories, the Gotham City justice system being corrupt, and saying that it's so common it's even in casual versions. It's not "it's all canon," it's this is just a basic aspect of the franchise. However, if your point is that the DCAU never actually says or even implies Gotham is corrupt, then okay. I could have sworn, but I'm having difficulty remembering specific examples. If it's true that it never actually says it, I think it's literally a case of it just being implied through tone and not said explicitly probably due to Fox Kids BSNP guidelines or something. >>40944 I was half joking. I never watched that piece of shit movie. But clearly that image reflects what the producers think a personality is.

Anyone notice there's now a Suicide Squad Isekai anime? Is it "anime" that's really just western garbage, or did they just give it to some Japs to do whatever they wanted with the property? If the latter is the case, it might actually be halfway fun.

>>40949 It's an actual anime.

>>40951 Great. I can use it to kill some time at work.

>>40949 It's an actual anime, but all I've seen of that is they made Clayface into an Otaku who exposits about Isekai tropes while making himself look like Michael Jackson/the villain from Demon Slayer.