>>22580 >We get a rain of kryptonite (makes sense, as much of that shit is fucking everywhere in superman comics it was probably a pretty traumatic event) Usually Kryptonite is way rarer in the comics. It's pretty comical how common it is in this show. But they use it well and make this meteor shower, which doesn't happen in other versions, into a pretty interesting bit of lore that ties into a lot of other cool events, so I'm okay with it. >Like Lex is bald because of the kryptonite strikes blowing all the hair off his head at 6. Pretty fucking stupid and pointless, but whatever. Actually this is one of the bits that is semi-accurate to the comics. In old Superboy comics, Lex was bald because Superboy blew out an experiment that went wrong and caught on fire, (Lex was friends with Superboy and trying to find a cure for Kryptonite Poisoning for him) and the fumes or whatever made Lex lose his hair, which is why he hates Superboy/man. The premise here is the same, to give Superboy a sense of guilt for hurting his friend, and establish that he helped to create his own nemesis. It's still a bit silly, and removed from most other versions of the character's origin, but I like that they're keeping this old bit of continuity, even if changed fairly significantly. But it holds the same meaning and, if anything, is less silly. Plus it ties into the wider lore more since the meteor shower is important in a lot of stories in the show, while that experiment that young Lex was doing in the comics is never particularly important again. >And then a tobey Maguire spidey reference with a missed school bus. This episode came out almost a year before that movie, though admittedly the movie was supposed to release quite close to it, before 9/11 delayed things (and Spider-Man in particular had to edit significant parts of the movie to cut out the towers). Fun fact, though, the song Hero by Chad Krueger (the Nickelback guy) which is played over Spider-Man's credits, had a Spider-Man themed tie-in music video, and was a big hit in general, was originally supposed to be the theme song for Smallville, hence all the references to flying and other things that don't particularly fit Spider-Man. The Smallville producers rejected it and replaced it with a much worse song, and probably regretted it when the song they rejected became a hit a few months later. >Thread question: Lana Lang or Lois Lane? Not to spoil anything, but Lana in this show is an insufferable cunt. Frankly, she isn't even that much better in the comics, except in the comics she is rarely important, and when she is important, she is rarely a very fleshed out character. But when she is, like when she became Superwoman a few years ago, she's a bit of a cunt. Lois Lane is of course also a cunt, but it's on purpose. Being abrasive is an intentional part of her character, rather than the result of bad writing. Lois is supposed to be some female equivalent of a badass with a heart of gold. Lana, especially in Smallville, is just a writers' pet cunt that is somehow incredibly boring and incredibly annoying at the same time. Watching the commentaries for this show is pretty interesting, because it's clear the showrunners are literally in love with the actress that plays Lana, which then explains why the character gets as much focus as she does. It's fine in the first few seasons, but come Season 4 it gets pretty ridiculous. It does get better eventually, but in the middle seasons there Lana is just unbearable. But then I shouldn't spoil the show for you. Not that these are major spoilers. It's subjective of course, and you can form your own opinion. But I'll tell you right now that I can't fucking stand Lana. While I'm at it, I'll mention that Chloe isn't much better, and her being an OC doesn't help. But then Lionel Luthor is also an OC and he's the best part of the damn show. But Chloe is also quite useless and annoying, though rarely as bad as Lana. That said, given certain IRL developments, like going to jail for getting busted as the second in command of a sex cult that brands members like cattle (which was apparently her idea), I would definitely adapt her into the comics if I had the chance. I have some good story ideas for her that I won't get into because it would spoil things for you. And yes, Chloe has been in like one single issue of the comics, a Jimmy Olsen special one-shot, if I recall, but that hardly counts. I don't think she even interacted with Superman. And technically she wasn't even interacting with the same Jimmy that she interacts with in the show, either. I also heard on Michael Rosenbaum's (Lex Luthor's) podcast that he and Tom Welling (Superman) are trying to do a Smallville animated series, but are only at the pitch stage. Perhaps not likely, and if it did happen it would probably be ruined somehow, but I'd be interested. It would probably ignore the Season 11 comics though, just like that awful Crisis on Infinite Earths crossover did, and I like the Season 11 comics quite a bit. But oh well, I'd watch the series either way. Maybe if Michael Rosenbaum is actually important to it he could get them to fix one of my primary problems with the series finale. I won't say it, but anyone who has watched the show and seen the finale will probably know what I'm talking about, specifically in reference to his character. Overall I like the finale, but that one bit bugs me, and the comics never dealt with it in a way I'd like, even though they got close.

>>22583 Its rare, but at the same time it seems like theres every color of kryptonite just lying around somewhere on earth. I really like that this show gives a reason for that, and shows how destructive and memorable such a thing would be. The fact that they are thinking lore problems through and providing good answers is really got me excited about the show. Promising. >that hair shit is actually canon Huh. Well fair enough. It does work. >they chose the wrong song Now that's interesting. This being the pilot I haven't heard the theme yet, but that nickleback song was pretty good. Hard to believe they found something better. I guess missing the schoolbus is just a universal comic writer thing. >man fuck Lana but for real yo. Fuck that bitch Damn. I mean she does seem like a cunt already, but I was hoping for more. That kryptonite necklace? Hilarious. But I gotta ask. Even Bats who is batshit paranoid, and does indeed sleep with kryptonite under his pillow just in case, even he keeps that shit in a lead lined container because it's radioactive as a mother fucker. I hope Lana gets cancer is what I'm saying.

>>22585 What version of the Pilot are you watching? There's a version where they stitch the first two episodes together as a "movie" that they sold on DVD as a standalone thing, while the season 1 set had them as separate episodes. I'm not sure how it aired originally, but I'd assume it was the double-episode version. I think I heard the recent Blu-Ray release also includes the double-episode version. Not that it matters much. The ending of one episode transitions smoothly to the beginning of the next, but the stories are really unrelated (except the second episode is still an early adventure) and you wouldn't notice anything wrong if you watched them separately. Though the villain of the "second" episode actually being part of the "first" episode does have a tiny bit of payoff 200 episodes later, but even then, it's not the biggest deal. >The Kryptonite Necklace I actually like that bit. It's a little silly but it's also an effective metaphor and plot device. >I hope Lana gets cancer is what I'm saying. Well in the comics it just gives people cancer. In this show it gives people different superpowers in practically every episode, so the effects on regular people are pretty different. >>22583 Fine, I'll make a whole spoiler post for the spoiler related things I want to talk about. First of all, my Chloe comic idea. The Cult of Superman, a concept in the comics since the late '80s or early '90s, starts taking a darker turn, with dead bodies showing up with weird symbols branded into them. Clark and Lois investigate and trace it back to the cult, eventually tracing their way up the ladder, trying to find the mysterious leaders. Maybe somewhere along the way Lois gets captured and brainwashed by the cult or something. And then with her cousin missing, Chloe arrives in town, after disappearing years earlier. She had to disappear because she was too close to too many secrets and it made her too big of a target, so she started a new life somewhere, but with Lois in trouble, she comes to help out, and essentially fills the Lois Lane investigative reporter role in the story, which of course she is good at since that was her role in the tv show anyway, until she got into weird super-intelligence stuff and basically became Oracle. Anyway the cult is starting to exhibit actual magic powers of mind control or something, and it makes them more dangerous, with members doing very extreme things (assassinations and stuff, all seemingly to distract or otherwise get to Superman, or at least he starts to suspect so), but some kill themselves, and others who are captured aren't able to remember after, because they were brainwashed, so they can't give up information when captured. While Superman and Chloe investigate, they deal with clues that bring up their shared past, perhaps also dealing with things related to Lex's youth and Lionel Luthor. I'd flesh out this element more because I would use any excuse I could to use Lionel Luthor as a character. But Lionel is one of the only people who ever knew Superman's identity, and Superman starts to suspect the bad guy knows it, so he starts to suspect Lionel maybe faked his death or has revived or maybe just leaked some information to Morgan Edge or something. Or maybe Lex finally figured it out and is teasing him with clues of their shared youths. Anyway it turns out Chloe has climbed her way to the top of the ladder and subverted the cult into weird sexual shit so she can use their sexual energies combined with their devotion to Superman to seduce the guy who friendzoned her in high school, who she of course knows is Superman. Lois is her most powerful tool, since of course Superman's wife would have the most potent energy for this purpose. Anyway, the part of the finale that bugged me was Lex's memories get erased, presumably because someone thought Lex Luthor shouldn't know Superman's identity once it comes time for the regular Superman stories. But that's fucking stupid, because it erases so much of his development throughout the entire show, and Lex's development is like half the appeal of the show, almost as much as Clark's. And it's not even like he only lost the memories of Clark's identity. He lost all of his memories. So basically he was left with the mind of a baby. And then the comics could have fixed this because the show already established that the Summerholt Institute had some sort of memory machine that was used to make Lex recall lost memories in Season 3 and then again in Season 7, so they could have used that. And they actually do use that machine on Lex again in the comics. But not to get his memories back. Just to extract another character's mind from his mind and put it in a robot body instead. I mean I was fine with that but it should have been used to restore his memories as well. I mean the really fucking stupid part is that right before he lost his memories, he explained to Clark a perfectly logical explanation for why he wouldn't reveal his secret identity. They didn't need to erase his memories at all. But if Rosenbaum had any level of control over an animated sequel, he would probably realize that they fucking ruined his character for no reason, and would hopefully be smart enough to fix it. But then I shouldn't hold out hope for that show to happen, let alone for it to be good.

Oh yeah, OP. If you want to get really autistic, most seasons starting at Season 2 have "webisodes" that fit well enough in the main canon. Well most of the time anyway. I think the one for Season 5 or 6 might get contradicted by a later episode, but whatever. There was also a comic book/magazine hybrid thing and its stories sometimes filled in gaps in ways that were neat. It only lasted for a couple seasons starting around season 2 I think, but some bits were cool. I mean obviously the main show never expects you to know any of these stories, but they can sometimes touch on what happened to characters after their episode or whatever.

>>22588 Oh uh. Idk. Just grabbed a torrent. The pilot episode is the same length as the episode 2 though. I think it's seperate. >the kryptonite necklace Yeah, him being a powerless spazz around the pretty girl is funny and works. I think it's clever. >dem spoilers Idk didn't look. Anyway. Work finished. Gonna finish this pilot and the second episode.

>>22596 >Idk didn't look. Good. They were spoiled for your benefit. The info is for other people who have already seen the whole show. Including maybe your future self. And yeah, the torrent just included the pilot as two episodes. Whatever. All that happens is the first episode ends with a pan up into the sky and the second episode opens with a pan back down to where the new action is starting. So in the connected version it's smooth, but it doesn't really matter much.

>>22600 Pretty cool pan tho. Even interrupted by credits and previously on. >that theme song tho Yeah that's not great. Kinda 90s sugarpop. Lame. But not terrible and kinda nostalgic. >this second eps soundtrack >papa roach >Weezer >Cake Fuck damn this is good. Hope they didn't spend the whole budget on this episode though. >villain of the week Is motherfucking peter parker. Straight up bug power dude. Crawling on ceilings, shooting webs, being a lame geek. The list actually goes on for far longer than I should think Marvel's lawyers were happy with. But oookay. >cgi Yeah not great. But this what 2001? On basic bitch cable tv? No wait this was the WB. Like basic bitch broadcasting. Fucking bunny ear antennas. Analog signal broadcast over air for free. So yeah. The cgi sucks. Actually it's better than to be expected all things considered. <but anon battlestar Galactica was airing at basically the same time and looks great Idk SciFi had a bigger budget or a better studio anyway. And it probably wasn't even the same time. BSG remake was like mid aughts I think. >bonus points Lana briefly is shown surrounded by butterflies a nice reference to her being superbuglady or whatever.

>>22604 >Papa Roach Yeah, I like how certain episodes use thematic popular music like that, like a later episode that uses nothing but REM songs because the villain has sleep powers. They don't hit you over the head with it, because it's the type of music they'd use anyway, but it's a fun little touch. >Lana being the Insect Queen Oh shit, nigga. Even I never noticed that. I wonder if it was actually intentional. Perhaps. I'll act like it is because it's cool.

>>22608 Yeah the soundtrack has been consistently good. A pleasant surprise. >insect queen I think so. I mean shes still in a prom dress and had just put away a crown. But who knows. Anyway >eps 3 and 4 Good music, basic villain of the week plots, an interesting changeup in the episode title of 4 is x-ray and sure enough the whole episode is about Clark getting the hang of said vision including and expected but still funny girls shower room sequence. >3 Clark joins the football team, but the coach is all evil and stuff. Fun episode. The premise having already been teased in the pilot. I find it odd to just forget all the football stuff at the end of the episode but maybe next season theres more football >4 Shapeshifter chick robs banks First real meh episode. The music was okay but forgettable, and the plot relayed too heavily on Lana Lang, who is boring. >addendum Luthor Sr. Is a lot of fun. Really starting to enjoy his scenes. I liked the fencing scene. About the only memory I have of the old lois and Clark tv series was Luthor fencing a lot. I'm guessing Lex is likeable here early on for more drama during his inevitable face heel turn. Still he comes across as a likeable sympathetic character. I think Clark is kinda an asshole to him honestly. But I suspect that's intentional writing. >conclusions Still having fun. Will continue watching.

>>22612 One thing to note in a lot of early episodes, like a lot of shows, is that elements from them that could just be one-off things end up becoming more important later. Not always super important, but there is payoff to these two episodes later. But I suppose I shouldn't spoil things. The thing with Lex is that it's supposed to be his origin story as well, and it is a part of the comics that he wasn't always evil. But yeah, being a prequel, you know how most things are going to turn out. But the creators are aware of that, and use it properly, with lots of references and heavy use of dramatic irony. IMO Seasons 2 and 3 are a lot better than 1, but 1 is still a good start. By Seasons 4 and 5 the show starts becoming quite different and you can judge if you're into what it becomes. It becomes a third different thing by Seasons 9 and 10, too. I like that one best.

>>22622 Interesting. Well it's good enough to keep watching at any rate. Idk wanna do synopsis on every episode. 5 was good. Undead wight football bro sucks warmth from shit and people. He is notable for scoring the first actual kills other than the pilot. And the one with fat chick. Maybe 7? She also killed that one stoner dude. So that's been nice. No more powers yet, which is nice to take it slow. No suit either but it's ambiguous if it was left in the space ship or his earth mom gonna make it for him later ala the constant joke from Lois and Clark. It would be nice to get some freezebreath soon though. That and laser eyes are the goto for dealing with bombs and missles. Of course on the other hand we aren't really doing with those kinds of threats yet. What season do we get spike from buffy? And does he do another english accent. Cause dudes from brooklyn for the record.

>>22623 >And the one with fat chick. Maybe 7? She also killed that one stoner dude. Flash fact: That fat chick was Amy Adams, who later played Lois Lane in Man of Steel, Batman v Superman, and both versions of Justice League. >What season do we get spike from buffy? And does he do another english accent. Cause dudes from brooklyn for the record. He first appears in Season 5. And no, he doesn't do the accent. He is a highlight of most episodes he appears in though.

>>22624 Oh shit your right. Huh. >marsters He's lowkey a pretty good actor. I remember watching some of his made for tv movies. Not bad stuff, but for budget and script reasons b material obviously.

>>22625 Marsters is also the best part of Dragon Ball Evolution. Not that that's saying much.

Up to ep 11 And every episode has had kryptonite so far. I meanI joke about how often it comes up in the comics but every ep? But okay fine whatever sure. What I really don't get is why green. I mean there's already colors that do give people powers I think. Oh an back in the 1st episode luthors dad is reading a newspaper during the helo flight in. The headline is queen Ceo and family missing presumed dead.

>>22631 >What I really don't get is why green. I mean there's already colors that do give people powers I think. As far as I know, there isn't any color that gives humans powers in the comics, though there are guys like Kryptonite Man and Metallo that get powers from Green Kryptonite. Don't worry though, other colors do show up in the show, with their unique abilities. Though one is notably different from the comics, I think it's a reasonable alternative. You'll see soon enough. Later seasons do lay off on the Kryptonite and the freaks of the week in general. But yeah the first couple of seasons are pretty heavy on it. I can enjoy it though. It's a good enough premise to give plenty of one-off episodes. That's precisely why they had a whole meteor shower of Kryptonite, which is an original element to the show. >Oh an back in the 1st episode luthors dad is reading a newspaper during the helo flight in. The headline is queen Ceo and family missing presumed dead. There are a lot of neat little moments if you stop to read the newspapers in this show, which I did when I bought the DVDs and Blu-Rays like a decade ago. Granted, this one isn't even secret, it's a headline and they show it quite blatantly, but most of the articles are actually fully written, and do add tiny bits of lore if you care. But as for this one, I do find it interesting that they used a reference to Queen instead of the more obvious Wayne. I bet they wanted to use Wayne but weren't allowed or something. This whole show was originally supposed to be about young Bruce Wayne, but WB nixed the idea because Batman Begins was in early development, so they made it about Clark Kent instead. And then over a decade later they did that show about young Bruce Wayne anyway.

>>22637 >And then over a decade later they did that show about young Bruce Wayne anyway. That's Gotham, right? I only watched the first two seasons, but I heard it went off the rails later on.

>>22639 Yeah. I thought Season 1 was a surprisingly good cop show, despite having very little to do with Batman (and many of the more Batman-esque elements sucked). I hear it got better, or at least weirder, later, but I was not enjoying the beginning of Season 2 and just got bored. I did see one random episode with Mister Freeze that was pretty cool though. Had him freezing people on purpose so he could experiment on them in the hopes of saving his frozen wife, but of course they all end up dying in the process. I don't know if the comics did that, but it was a good way to justify why he uses ice based weapons. Like yeah he has an ice suit but really that doesn't mean he needs to go around freezing people. Bullets would work just as well for most goals.

>>22640 >I did see one random episode with Mister Freeze that was pretty cool thoug CARLOS!

>>22639 Yeah I liked season 1. But it got crazy and they never really went anywhere. And Bruce is like 6 years old so he doesn't really do anything and whole episodes he's just not even in. It probably would have worked better with an older Bruce, but then he wouldn't be in Gotham and it'd be more of a travel show. >>22640 Yeah it was fun, I liked bullock. >>22637 I could have sworn red kryptonite gave humans temporary powers, like Jimmy or some asshole would suddenly be flying and superman would just do that thing he does on covers where he smiles at peoples misfortunes and thinks something not very helpful. You know the ones would wind up on supermansadick.com from old silverage covers. Idk. I never read much superman. Random issues here and there. Enjoying the Smallville though. Up to like episode 15. Things are getting good.

>>22655 >I could have sworn red kryptonite gave humans temporary powers Admittedly I haven't read every issue, and they did some pretty weird things over the years, but usually Red Kryptonite gives Superman a random effect each time, which results in a bunch of superdickery covers from times it turns him evil, or splits him into a bunch of tiny Supermen, or turns him into a giant ant. There were plenty of other excuses for characters to get superpowers. Things like blood transfusions from Superman, wishes from genies, or just plain dreaming the story. I also wouldn't be surprised if there was a story where Red Kryptoite made Superman swap powers with Jimmy, or gave Superman the ability to give other people powers, or something weird like that, but I'm not directly aware of a specific case.

>>22657 Yeah that sounds right. Well back to the marathon. Wanna finish this season today.

Well the season finale was fun. But nothing really happened. Its hinted that Clark already has flying powers but has a psychological block. A fear of heights. Anyway on Whitney. Dude gets written out as joining the marines in 2001. And by season 2 2002, dudes been broken up with via letter. But then Lana is still writing all the time, and then he comes home (not from Afghanistan apparently. And a year too early for iraq 2.) And he has ptsd, and Lana does wanna date him but it's actually Tina and he's dead Fuck. They could have done so much more with him.

>>22701 I thought Whitney was a cliche and boring idea for an OC, but I like what they did with him in the parts you described. I guess they shat on him so hard that even a viewer that didn't like him could feel bad for him. But it worked.

>>22718 I liked him. But yeah his characterization consisted of "dumb jock" The reveal lately tho is that lionel luther can see fine Didn't see that coming. He's a lot of fun.

>>22720 Lionel is best character, and his promotion to series regular in Season 2 is one of the things that makes the show improve dramatically. Well that and that Seasons 2 and 3 start doing more significant multi-episode arcs. I like that they're mostly just a few episodes long, so you don't get continuity lockout, and each episode still works on its own, but there are still elements that benefit from seeing every episode.

>>22723 Yeah season 2 is starting to get real serial. Loving it. Can't wait to open up that damned ship Martha finally gets the key back, and promptly hides it in a closet FUGGGG ugh and now there's a cave with the same keyhole. So kryptonians have been to earth previously. I did always wonder if his dad just sent him off in a random direction, or if Earth was always the goal. If it was previously surveyed than looking like the later.

Okay season 2 ep 15 or was it 17? Anyway rosetta stone. So last ep "fever" we got the ship keys out the closet and the ships a resurrection machine. Kinda OP macguffin to have lying around in the show now, but okay. And this episode we put the key in the cave. it gives clark knowledge of his written language Neat. And special guest star Christopher Reeve. Very neat. Also Clark's mom played Lana Lang in superman 3. So. There's jokes to made there but later. Because we also open up the goddamn ship finally. and jor el was basically king vegeta, sent supes to rule earth I'll be honest my knowledge of superman lore is real thin as concerns the house of El. So no idea how canon all this is, but it all makes sense. Enjoying the show very much. Hope to hit season 3 by tonight.

Smallville was for girls.

>>22730 Smallville adds a lot of stuff that isn't in the comics, but I think it mostly does a good job at making it fit within the things that are in the comics. A lot of the original material could slot in relatively easily. At least by the end of the show, once it's all fleshed out. They also do some pretty cool stuff with it, and it mostly stays important for the whole series. The best parts of Seasons 7 and 8 are the payoffs to original elements introduced in Seasons 2 and 3. If you watch that much of it. I bet a lot of the people watching at the start stopped before the end. But it's worth it in the end. >>22732 Yeah basically. But not as much as later CW DC shows. The first couple seasons are basically normalfag X-Files/Buffy/Walker Texas Ranger stuff. I wouldn't say it's that girly, but it's not exactly masculine. The middle seasons get pretty damn girly, though, I must admit. The last couple seasons get really autistic with comic book lore stuff, though, and it isn't girls that would want that stuff. I once managed to get a girl to watch this whole show with me, which got her to care enough to watch the whole DCAU with me after. But I still haven't manged to get her into actual comics yet. That's an extra step of autism. But at least now I can talk about Superman and she knows almost everything I reference, since over ten years, this show does cover basically every major piece of Superman lore.

>>22735 Well just got the finale left for 2 then on to season 3. It's pretty basic monster of the week stuff, but with more arc then say xena. wow. Goodjob bro.

How is Batwoman an actual show?

>>22768 Mostly out of spite. Like most SJW shit, it exists purely to spite people who like something they don't like, so they ruin it. They think they're spiting people who like Batman and superheroes in general, because the people who like those things are typically male, and they hate males and things that males like. They may or may not realize that the same males they're spiting, who like superheroes and comic books and Batman, also liked Batwoman comics, the ones where she is a lesbian. But they weren't this fucking preachy. They were actual good detective stories with deep lore and interesting plots, and they actually made the lesbian protagonist interesting and likable. So either SJWs made her boring and unlikable to spite the fans, as usual, or more likely, they're so uninformed they haven't even read those comics and realized they were popular with the same people they were trying to spite, and they're simply too bad at art to write interesting or likable characters anyway.

>>22769 Pretty much yeah, also money laundering.

Midway through season 5. Marsters was there and gone, hoping he shows up again before next season. Cause this is getting boring as fuck. >lana Completely and totally unlikeable in anyway shape or form. God I hate her. All last season she had entire episodes about her 16th century ancestor who was a witch, give lana magic powers for a season, and was burned at the stake. But not before also going to china and hiding an artifact. Specifically a special krypton brain stone. Which apparently were left on earth back in the 1600s? For Clark? Before Jor-El was even born? Man fuck this shit so goddamn hard. This SUCKS. >lois Lets leave aside that she was introduced entirely too early, that her hair is the wrong color, and we already have a blonde lois on the staff anyway in chloe. Who was already a bad Lois Lane but it was cool because she wasn't actually Lois she was chloe the happy news girl who gave Clark his love of journalism. Only this emboldened them to make Lois this but without any interest in journalism. Or anything. And. And God I can't go on. I try not to think about it when shes on screen. I keep hoping she will just leave. And sometimes she does. She is the worst character of all time. I hate her. >john kent for governor This entire plotline is fucking retarded and written by an idiot. Like wtf. Who greenlit this horseshit? Wanna write a political storyline? Then read one goddamn book about politics you fucking hack. Goddamn these writers. >the other seasons 1 was cool 2 was bareable but boring 3 was a goddam slog 4 was a trainwreck involving your testicles and rabid dobermans 5 is not great so far. >guest appearances >aquaman Cool, obviously played by a gay, but yeah cool whatever. >der Flash Meh >reasons to keep watching Idk. I was holding in for the show to move to metropolis and Clark getting into journalism or going to college. And maybe he'd meet an older student as Lois. Who knows. Could have been fun. Instead college has amounted to like ten minutes of screen time. And Lois was a disaster. So bad. So badly cast and written and acted. So very very bad. Idk. I guess I'm invested at this point though. Clarks marrying Lana this ep apparently. I hope jor-el kills her bitch ass But seasons like 8-10 are super awesome? This will all go somewhere? And that place is gonna be cool?

>>22924 I will say this about Lois though. At least she isn't some goddamn asian.

>>22924 Addendum to the episode pa kent dies. Meh it should have been lana and lois And so thoroughly bored and disgusted with the series I'm taking a break to watch the first two superman movies from Richard Donner. Maybe I'll feel like continuing after that.

In 30 minutes Donner tells the same story as five seasons of smallville. And that includes the 6 and a half minutes he spent on opening credits. And it's just better. It's good for one. Lana is even likeable. The whole football storyline is introduced and tied up in 4 minutes. The difference in quality is just astounding.

>>22924 >Lana I told you she was the worst character. And Season 4 is the dumbest season arc by a wide margin. That said, though I don't think the overall arc is bad in Season 5, it still has its share of bad episodes. A few cool things with Brainiac and stuff, but mostly meh. I stopped watching after the 100th episode because it pissed me off so bad. But then I saw ads for Season 9 and it looked really cool so I caught up. And it was cool. The 100th episode is basically the low point, and you'll know when you get to it because it will piss you off too. You're really close. And from the sounds of things, you're gonna be at least as pissed as I was when it was originally airing. But it doesn't get worse from that point. Seasons 6 and 7 are on an upward trend, and the end of Season 7 is really cool. >Only this emboldened them to make Lois this but without any interest in journalism. Try to think of it as being her origin story as well. It eventually pays off. I do think she is a good Lois Lane overall. But yeah, when she's first introduced, the only real quality of the character that she has is that she's a bit of a cunt. But they do build on it over the years. Takes a while though. There are ten seasons. >Wanna write a political storyline? Then read one goddamn book about politics you fucking hack. I don't think they wanted to get very political in terms of party lines and all that. They just wanted to touch on Lex's political stuff from the comics. It would be a lot worse if they started getting into who is for what party and what their actual politics are. They wouldn't use the cartoon politics from the comics, where Lex runs based on the platform of "I personally rebuilt Gotham City after an earthquake destroyed it and the government abandoned it to be taken over by supervillains." They would just make Lex Luthor a strawman republican, probably. >1 was cool 2 was bareable but boring 3 was a goddam slog I thought 2 was a lot better than 1 and 3 was a lot better than 2. The standalone episodes were still the majority and most of them were at least as good as Season 1, with the advantage of more Lionel and more character development. Also I did like the arcs and lore they dealt with, even if some of it was weird stuff involving ancient indian legends for some reason. >Aquaman. Cool, obviously played by a gay, but yeah cool whatever. Isn't that guy Jack Reacher now? >Flash Yeah I agree he's meh. They also kind of got fucked because that episode came out during the one year when Bart Allen was Flash in the comics, so they used him instead of Barry or Wally. Of course Bart isn't the popular Flash, which is why they killed him within a year of his becoming The Flash in the comics. But at least I can pretend Bart is a nickname for a young Barry. A lot more DC characters are introduced relatively soon. The rate at which they're introduced increases and continues increasing until the end of the series. Next season in particular they start doing a lot more with it. >Idk. I was holding in for the show to move to metropolis and Clark getting into journalism or going to college. I'll let you know right now, college isn't that important. Lois becomes much more important, and slowly becomes more and more like the comics version, until by the end it's pretty much fully accurate. But college pretty much just fades into the background. In fact, thinking about it now, I think maybe Clark just kind of drops out, or just stops going. His professor turning out to be Brainiac I guess killed his enthusiasm for higher learning. Anyway, Perry White doesn't hire Clark to work at the Planet because of his degree anyway. >But seasons like 8-10 are super awesome? This will all go somewhere? And that place is gonna be cool? Seasons 9 and 10 are super awesome. Well for a tv show. It's not like they can do movie level action scenes. But the characters and plots are good by then, and they do their best with the budgets and the action. Season 8 has cool parts and really dumb parts, but it's a lot better than 4 and 5. It's like a transition year. The last five or so episodes of Season 7 are awesome though because they seemed to think the show was ending and wrapped up most of the plotlines from all the previous seasons, and it was done quite well. Season 6 and 7 are weird because they do introduce a lot more Superman lore and DC sci fi stuff, but they are still relatively heavy on the teen drama as well. Then after the end of Season 7, it goes back to that type of thing with Season 8. But there is still a very significant reason 8 is a lot better than 7, and when you get there, you'll see. But basically, 9 and 10 are cool because they drop most of the pretense of being a prequel and are pretty much just a regular Superman show only he doesn't wear the suit. That's what I like. >>22926 Yeah, that's precisely why I stopped watching the show when it was originally airing. I only caught up because Season 9 was really cool. And yes, the Richard Donner movies are a lot better than most of this series. >>22927 The first Superman movie is the film that spawned all the superhero movies we have today, and people forget it and credit X-Men. But Donner was the producer of that movie and brought the same philosophies he used on Superman to those movies. Then Spider-Man and the rest all copied X-Men. God help me, when people think Iron Man started the current trend, I want to lose my mind. Iron Man was just another generic 2000s superhero movie, which had already been saturating that entire decade. Anyway, you should have known what you were in for when you signed up for a ten season, 220 episode long prequel. Yeah, most movies skip the origin entirely. But here? They're stretching it out way longer than they should have. But at least that means that over time they're forced to introduce more and more DCU elements.

>>22941 Thanks anon. Allright, well with this pep talk I'm ready to jump back in. Lets finish this season so we can get to the good stuff. And all excellent points. I did know what I was getting into.

>>22944 To be perfectly honest, for Superman in particular, his origin is one of his best stories. It's why they keep retelling it so many damn times in the comics. Off the top of my head, there are at least 8 versions that have happened in the main canon comics continuity. Action Comics #1 (1938), Superman #1 (1939, reprints Action #1 but expands on it), probably the first appearance of Superboy (but I never read it so I guess I can't confirm), whatever issue from the '40s or '50s introduced the Red Sun and his Earth-One origin, Man of Steel (1986), Birthright (2004), Secret Origin (2008), and Superman and the Men of Steel (2011). And that's only counting canon mainstream universe ones that I'm personally aware of. I bet there are more I just don't know since there are so many damn issues. And there are a bunch of non-canon and alt-universe ones like Earth One, the DC Animated Universe, and Smallville. Also, Superboy was an entire series all about being a prequel to Superman, and it was continually published for 50 years. And then after that, he continued being a supporting character in the Legion of Superheroes for almost ten more years, even though it made so little sense that it broke the universe and required retarded cosmic supervillains to try to make it make sense. And then they fucked that up too and to this day it doesn't fully make sense but everyone just kind of accepts that shit's fucked. But that's how popular Superboy was. And all Smallville is is a tv version of Superboy, only they don't call him that. But they do have plenty of material to work with. There were plenty of stories back in the day where Superboy would go back in time to Krypton and meet Jor-El and fight Brainiac before Brainiac ever met Superman, or would interact with Hal Jordan and Bruce Wayne and Arthur Curry, but before they ever became superheroes. And for some reason Superboy and Supergirl would interact all the time even though Supergirl is from the present and isn't a prequel character, but they would just both time travel to 1000 years in the future of the present and team up with the Legion of Superheroes together all the time. So there really is a lot of stuff to work with here. A surprising amount of this actually does have basis in the comics. It makes more sense than trying to do a show about young Bruce Wayne, because there are actually comics to base it on. A lot of comics. And a lot of them are good.

>>22947 Heh that fake cover. Anyway yeah no I get it. I was fully expecting superboy the series. But. I mean it's just not very good. And yeah theres miles of source material they could have used. But they just didnt. Instead its OC like lana is a wirefu kungfu asian 16th european witch. Like wtf? The series is annoying precisely because they had no reason reinvent the wheel, and yet they keep trying to do exactly that. Its gay and aggravating.

>>22948 Idk, they basically do what was canon in the comics at the time, where he wasn't called Superboy when he was a kid. But yeah Lana sucks. I'm not gonna argue with that. It's not like she's the best character in the comics either, but she is one of the most unlikable characters ever in the show, surpassed only by the female leads of future CW tv shows. Felicity from Arrow is a million times worse than Lana and Chloe put together, but that's partially because she's from the SJW era.

>>22949 Another excellent point. As bad as the writing and occasionally acting gets, this isn't a bad tv show. The music is always fantastic, the cgi is passable. And I do like the subject matter. Yeah. Let's not get too down on the show. I got through season 5 and that was probably the worst. Really it's all uphill from here.

Oh while taking a break from this never ending marathon last night. I also had the chance to do some light reading. Enemies and allies by kevin j anderson. Which was good. It was retelling of your basic batman meets superman. It takes place in like the 1960s. Lex is the main baddie along with a commie general who runs a gulag. In this universe supes and bats are only a year into their respective careers. Quality but rather short. He also wrote a second superman novel solely about Krypton and Jor-El. The fall of Krypton I think? Idk. Gonna read that tonight maybe. >but OP this is a thread for CW Oh whatever. Look it's a superman thread and I'm talking about superman >superman books tho not comics. Really more >>>/lit/ Yeah but as the BO and only user of that board making yet another thread just to talk to myself is boring. I don't wanna >I like those threads though Because your a fucking idiot. Listen no one wants to see us talking to ourselves okay? They are gonna think we are crazy >but I don't think your crazy OP Because your me moron of course you don't. Now just shut up and leave the thinking to me okay? >whatever dick

>>22941 Its been like 20 years so I may forget the name of the Arc but I think your talking no mans land. The Batman story. Which is actually pretty good for anyone more curious about Gotham becoming hell on earth.

I think the real problem for the sure is simple. There are no male cast members. I mean theres our hero superboy. And there's lex (when he appears in an ep anyway) but thats it. They've written everyone else off. So every episode is just superboy and the 4 annoying women in his life.

>>22951 >In this universe supes and bats are only a year into their respective careers. Because it's their first meeting. In order to make the timeline make any sense, they usually say they first meet quite early into their careers. Which is sort of weird since Superman and Batman both existed for over 15 years of comics before their first canon crossover, but then how old are we supposed to think they were when they joined the Justice League? Technically, that first crossover with Superman is considered Batman's first appearance, and every appearance of Batman before then is Batman of Earth-Two, but regular Batman still had most of the same stories happen. But not necessarily all, so did the remainder happen over less time? How long did they take? How fast does time move in comics anyway? Back in the day they implied it was something like real time, but characters don't age. At a certain point time started moving slower (stories happened closer together) but characters did age, just slowly. Then after the Crisis on Infinite Earths they tried to make the timeline more solidified, and said it was ten years since Superman's first appearance, and we can assume Batman is very soon after that. And they first met eight months after Superman's first appearance, so maybe we can say every Earth-Two story that remains canon happened in those eight months. But the timeline is a bit fucked up because in Man of Steel Superman meets Batman before Luthor. But Luthor was drastically changed more than most characters. But regardless, how long had the Justice League been around by the present after the Crisis? There might be a book that actually explains this but I'm not sure. After Flashpoint (25 years IRL after the Crisis on Infinite Earths), they said the Justice League formed five years before, and Superman first appeared six years before (but most old stories were still canon but happened more closely together), but then everything got stretched out to fifteen years instead of six (and also like one year had passed in-universe since Flashpoint, so let's say fourteen years were stretched from six). They also specifically said it was merging post-Flashpoint continuity with Pre-Flashpoint continuity, so maybe we're supposed to think there were still ten years between Superman's first appearance and the Crisis on Infinite Earths, and then five years for everything since, which sort of works since stories took place closer together then, but still has problems because of things like One Year Later and 52. Not to mention all the fact that there were like five major multiverse destroying events in that five year period. But fuck it. At least it makes a little more sense how Hal Jordan could come back to life after 10 years and just reassume his old life. Now he was only dead for like one one or two years. Also, for the record, at the end of the Death and Return of Superman arc, they point out that Superman was only dead for two weeks. Anyway I'm just looking for an excuse to be autistic. But yes it's standard that Superman and Batman were only around for about a year the first time they met. Usually it's actually less, because that's the only way the timeline works without the characters being older than they are in "the present." Even with time shenanigans and Lazarus Pits. >He also wrote a second superman novel solely about Krypton and Jor-El. The fall of Krypton I think? Idk. Gonna read that tonight maybe. I still can't believe they made a whole multi-season tv show about Krypton. And it wasn't even about Jor-El, it was about his father who is barely a footnote to a footnote (since Jor-El is already basically a footnote) in the comics. Maybe I'd like it, but I couldn't bring myself to watch it since it was current year. >>22953 Yeah it was No Man's Land. >>22959 Lex and Lionel do appear in most episodes. And three more main male cast members are added in later seasons. Granted, one in particular isn't well liked by most audiences. You'll see. The others are fine. One in particular is pretty cool. Of course, there are also two more female main cast members added. Also, not all of these characters I mention remain in every season after they're introduced. But I shouldn't say much more, for sake of spoilers. But yeah, I don't like that they wrote out Pete and replaced him with Chloe, filling the exact same role but in a more annoying way. Chloe isn't as bad as Lana, but I'm not a fan. Every once in a while they do something semi-interesting with her character, but not interesting enough to justify her irritating nature. Pete got demoted from being President of the United States in the comics, to a forgotten nobody in this show just a couple years later. And then in Man of Steel and Batman v Superman, he works at IHoP. When the next male character was written off, I stopped watching for the next four seasons. But it does get better from there. I went back and caught up after and didn't regret it. Anyway, Martha is actually a good character in this show, and as early as Season 2 has her own little arcs that are actually fairly interesting, mostly because she is interacting with Lionel, but still. And I do think the Lois from this show is actually pretty good. Granted, Lois Lane is supposed to kind of be an annoying cunt in the comics, so I'm allowing it here on those grounds. But she has more depth in the comics that makes her likable, and she does develop that same depth here. Lana is the fucking worst though. And Chloe is sometimes tolerable but I wouldn't say she is a net positive for the show.

>>22961 >I still can't believe they made a whole multi-season tv show about Krypton. And it wasn't even about Jor-El, it was about his father who is barely a footnote to a footnote (since Jor-El is already basically a footnote) in the comics. Maybe I'd like it, but I couldn't bring myself to watch it since it was current year. Yeah, when I first heard of this I couldn't think of how they'd ever make that work and still be Superman (instead of generic sci-fi) beyond a mini-series where Jor-El tries to convince the science council of his accuracy and Supergirl's dad tries to kill him.

>>23005 Yeah exactly. I have no idea why that show exists.

>>23005 There are a fair number of Kryptonian characters who have established relationships with Jor-El, or conceivably could. As you mentioned, there is Zor-El, and you could make the Science Council into actual characters (and maybe some old comics actually did that and I just haven't read them). Also, if you're using Zor-El, that means his wife and his daughter, you know, Supergirl, can be characters. Seeing a young Kara could be interesting. But also of course there is Zod and characters associated with him, especially Faora. Some versions associate Doomsday with Zod, and you could use that. You could use Jax-Ur as a fellow scientist who starts as a friend, but his obsession with science leads him to disregard safety and slowly become more unhinged, and then he blows up the moon and that's what leads the science council to outlaw space travel, and he gets sentenced to the Phantom Zone which his friend Jor-El invented. Honestly that would all be a good arc for Season 1. And seeing that betrayal could lead Zod to start trusting Jor-El less, and make him start to become more of a bad guy. And yeah, like the show actually did, Brainiac can show up and do stuff. If DC/WB would let them, they could do stuff with Green Lanterns, and it would be fucking stupid for DC/WB to be so protective that they would stop a show from using Tomar-Re, since it's not as if he's a main character even in Green Lantern stories. They could do stuff with Nightwing and Flamebird, Krypton's gods/superheroes. They could do stuff with Black Zero, the guy who destroys Krypton in the original continuity. And of course I didn't even mention Lara, Superman's mom, who would presumably be one of the main leads, and though I don't know anything about the character, I know her father is named Lor-Van, so at least he's a character and they can use him, and probably Lara's mother as well. And on the topic, Jor-El's parents make sense as supporting characters. But they don't make any damn sense as main characters. Jor-El actually has a lot of characters associated with him, or at least with his era in the story. But to go back before him is just fucking stupid. Almost none of the characters I mentioned should be born, and even the ones that would be don't have stories for what they'd be doing that the show could borrow from. To make a show about a supporting character, like Jor-El, is one thing, but to make a show about a supporting character of a supporting character, is fucking stupid. Like I could almost buy the idea of a show about Lex Luthor, but a show about Lionel Luthor would be fucking retarded, even though Lionel is the best character in the show that he's in.

>>22768 >>22769 Keep in mind CW never made a profit once, WB the movie studio that bleeds the most profits and DC started the modern SJW take over of comics with Batwoman not marvel. With how much shit marvel and Disney rightfully get with SJW shit. WB always ten times worse.

>>23034 When do you consider Batwoman to have started the SJW takeover? When the character was brought back as a lesbian in like 2006? Because sure, I could see that argument. I remember though that Marvel was trying similar things at the same time, but they were worse at it. Batwoman's revival was considered to generally be a well made comic. Meanwhile Marvel brought back The Rawhide Kid as a big flaming homo. But really, yeah, there was a bunch of similar shit at DC, like killing off Ted Kord and replacing him with a mexican kid. But people at least liked the mexican kid, and the series didn't shit all over Ted Kord and say that he was never a good Blue Beetle to begin with. Marvel is the company that went all out with it starting with Carol Danvers completely changing personalities once she became Captain Marvel, and then they replaced almost all of their high profile characters with affirmative action hires that were also smug assholes, just like the writers. Meanwhile, DC was specifically doing DC Rebirth to reverse a bunch of the changes they made a few years earlier and bring back the more classic elements. DC at least sucks bad enough to flip flop on their SJW bullshit. Marvel goes all out with it. But let me be clear, they're both awful, and both have been evil, soulless corporations from the start.

>>23036 >Meanwhile Marvel brought back The Rawhide Kid as a big flaming homo. One of the few non punisher max books worth reading in the MAX line. Rawhide kid max unintentionally hilarious. They made his name into a gay joke in the name of being progressive. It’s like all those SJW comics that are unintentionally racist in the name of being woke.

>>23036 >though that Marvel was trying similar things at the same time, At the time marvel were making new gay characters that most likely just end up being background characters in the x-men. Batwoman still doesn’t have a main personality trace beyond being a lesbian. But she attach to the bat family. She gets media attention the gay X-men characters don’t.

Fuck I stopped watching exactly one year ago apparently. Well. Shit which season was I on before rage quitting?

>>31784 Clearly a rhetorical question, but a few posts above you say you finished Season 5. Look, if I were you, and I sat through the shit that was Seasons 4 and 5, I'd have enough sunk cost that I'd feel a need to finish. I'm not gonna lie to you, it's not like Season 6 is a huge jump in quality. But I will argue it's a gradual increase in quality. If anything 6 is forgettable because it's not as shit as 4 and 5, but I'm not gonna argue it's great. It has a couple cool episodes, but we're talking as far as TV episodes go. Don't go expecting movie quality. Season 7 is again a bit better, and by the end of the season, it's actually really cool. There is dumb stuff in Season 7, but also very cool stuff by the end. You're already halfway and past the worst part. Over 100 episodes of sunk cost. Can't quit now, can you?

>>31800 On one hand I did quit and absolutely was fine with that. On the other hand you make a very compelling argument and now that I cant remember the bad episodes and only recall the good ones I can remember why I stopped.... Damn you smallville. Once more unto the breach.

>>31825 Cannot. Not can. dammit.

>>22580 >Thread question: Lana Lang or Lois Lane? Chloe Sullivan, bitch is very colorful and I love her looks. Plus she's the kind of girl who will start a cult for you and bring you bitches. What's not to like? I love Smallville a lot. It has its flaws, but I'll say the Luthors are the highlight of the show and their arc is fucking cool. Clark is also charismatic and a good mc.