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Hazbin Hotel Anonymous 06/28/2020 (Sun) 20:56:02 No. 2284
Is any of this shit really worth watching?
>>2284 There is only one episode out afaik. Not great but not the worst thing ever either
>>2284 There's only the pilot episode & Helluva Boss. Though it should be noted the creator is now advocating for BLM terrorism & abolishment of the police.
>>2287 I feel like this is, if not a mark in their favor, at least not a mark against them. Not everybody has the time to sift through obscure internet forums and strain out the truth in a sea of retardation, and not everybody has the disposition to believe shit that's totally opposed to what their entire peer group thinks. It's not quite "Havel's Greengrocer", because they probably do sort of believe in it, it's not just a facade - but in another era they'd be nice normie christians who believe that rock and roll is evil because they were told that it is.
>>2299 Everything you just said is very much a mark against them. Being sheep that are willing to go along with evil things is no way of absolving yourself.
>>2299 Everyone has nothing but time when the world is dealing with a deadly airborne virus.
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>>2284 I want to fuck the sassy gay spider! That being said, there's a few genuinely interesting ideas in there, it's nice to see characters which are both diverse and believable (no "I'm good and pure because I'm gay", for example), and it's one of the few works in recent times to show rape as a show of power instead of rape as misogyny: on the negative side, the art style is a bit too edgy from my tastes, and the dialogue tries way too hard to be "mature" by spamming curse words and overly elaborate insults that fall flat. >>2287 >>2299 >>2300 Ignoring burgerland politics entirely is the only winning move, the parties there are held together purely by mutual hatred.
>>3239 You can't ignore these politics when left rioting SJWs & black supremacists are rioting in the streets without impunity. At least not until they attack federal buildings. Then suddenly they're getting cracked down on.
>>3240 You can by not living in the US, or just moving ouside of the big cities. Partecipating in a two party system which lumps together libertarians with tradcaths and socialists with megacorp CEOs is madness, you'll always lose.
Weren't there more posts in this thread?
>>3241 Moving outside of the big cities does little too when rioters block highways. Though it is the best solution. Until they start gunning for your neighborhoods & destroying your heritage. At that point militias are a must.
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>>3243 >he still believes in militias Those won't help when the two halves of the contry start fighting for real, and until then they're just useful idiots providing material for the media hate machine.
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>>3243 >USER WAS BANNED FOR THIS POST
>>3251 I banned both for a day but for some reason only one is appearing.
>>3252 Why did you even reply to my shitpost, man. Also I hope you didn't look at the spoiler.
>>3253 I noticed only one ban was showing and I wanted to clear up any misunderstandings. >Also I hope you didn't look at the spoiler.
Is anyone planning to bring up the music video that came out a week ago? It's more or less gives out the backstory of Angel Dust. https://invidio.us/watch?v=ulfeM8JGq7s
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>>3250 >>3252 >mfw jannies have no power over me It's neat I guess
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>>3255 IMO the lyrics didn't flow well and the liberal application of autotune might not have been a smart idea, but the rape was top notch so I can let the rest slide. >>3251 Why did I even click on it. At least it wasn't the Angel as George pic.
>>2284 I like the animation, I think that's the strongest point of the pilot, but the show overall is fine. >>2286 >>2287 It's not even an episode, it's a pilot.
>>2287 > the creator is now advocating for BLM terrorism & abolishment of the police. She usually kept to herself, shame
>>3257 >filename You're the F-list guy, aren't you?
>>3258 Almost like that's why I put PILOT EPISODE
>>3255 Angel's shocked face after the rape flashback gave me a boner: the rape scene itself didn't tickle my fancy, but seeing someone hurt by a painful memory did the trick. What the fuck is wrong with me?
>>3302 Could be that you're into hardcore porn with stuff with mind break and moral degeneration.
>>3243 >(USER WAS BANNED FOR THIS POST) And here I thought Frank stopped being a faggot. Kill yourself, Frank.
>>3314 >being this assmad Frank banned both of the offtopic anons as seen in >>3252
>>2284 It's fine, I guess. Quality is pretty good for a solo thing, but it doesn't have any particularly original ideas. It felt like they really wanted to get picked up by Netflix, and they didn't, and honestly I'm not surprised about that. I am leery about how much mileage you can get out of the premise (rehabilitating demons), because it's at risk of being quite formulaic if they're not careful.
>>3330 >>3302 between him and the punk werewolf girl this show has produced a bountiful amount of porn.
>>3613 The hacks who rip off European arthouse and restock it for the Hollywood audience so they can pretentiously jack off? Sweet Christ this just got 100 times worse, 2020 truly is the worst decade in history.
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>>3613 Fuck yeah, more haram racist spider! Also we get to laught at seething faggots both on twitter and on chans, which is always fun.
>>3613 >>3614 Have they even made anything that wasn't live action before? The pilot had writing flaws but it wasn't exactly low-budget or amateur animation.
>>3614 It really depends on how much they decide to fuck with the production. Though frankly Vivzie needs to be reeled in & told no to a lot of her ideas. Mostly designs that need to be less loud with terrible patterns.
>>2284 >Is any of this shit really worth watching? Sure, it has its moments, but I think Helluva Boss is way better pilot and conceptual idea.
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There's a character in Angel Dust, a hentai manga series made by the creator of Hellsing in where Anderson, the main protagonist was a former mafia boss who smuggled heroin fled the from the criminal life in order to become a priest. https://hellsing.fandom.com/wiki/Angel_Dust
>>3761 Okay?
>>3763 I thought it was a funny coincidence.
>>3761 This is a Hellsing prequel?
>>3815 it's one of several manga made by the author of hellsing that features prototype versions of hellsing characters. https://hellsing.fandom.com/wiki/Category:Other_Manga_By_Kouta_Hirano
>>3620 I kind of want this to be a complete clusterfuck though. There's really no point anymore if shit goes comics code authority, let the people decide.
>>5814 Vivzie isn't the people though, also, if she doesn't get some oversight and told no it's going to end up like another YanDev where there's hundreds of features/characters with the depth of a water fountain.
>>5814 >>5828 You gotta remember Vivzie is also VERY political right now. She supports BLM & the defunding of police. So you can sure as shit expect her to purposefully push more agendas this time around with a studio budget.
>>5830 Oh, that's too bad. I was going to say how funny it was that nobodies were sharing their cartoon ideas when the Ren & Stimpy Reboot was announced (which was scrapped from the rumors I'm hearing) and were furious when "Hazbin Hotel" picked up, even though she should be in the same situation they were in before making it big on youtube. Now I guess I can laugh that this Fosters Home for Imaginary Friends ripoff (unless they changed that from the initial reveal) spirals in the same direction that most modern cartoons go in. I'm going to guess there is a self-insert if it hasn't been confirmed already, a forced love triangle, and a prom with or without LGBT elements in the first season. It's sad that creators just can't keep their politics in their pants or at least keep them only to their personal account. Most people that follow you are not there to see you reeing over the ills of the world. Just make a business account so nobody has to hear your stupid hot takes. Now we've got celebs getting naked for ballot voting (and not even the good looking ones) and it looks like we're getting more woke garbage down the line, at least for another 4 years.
>>5831 Woke politics has killed all industries in the west.
>>5834 I was think about making my own comic for fun. I think the future of art isn’t money from here on out. It’s all going to be indie shit to until the crash and sometime after. I think we need to start looking for local indie comics or internet passion projects instead of all this shit if we want to see change. The current comics/cartoon industry is basically a zombie, so I think if we want to make the comics flow it’s going to have to start with us. I don’t know what I’m going to make in the end, but I have a story and characters. I hope people here do something cool when they’re tired of worshipping this industry and letting it occupy their heads and time.
>>2284 >deviantart-tier character designs No, not worth watching in the slightest
New episode of helluva boss. https://yewtu.be/watch?v=el_PChGfJN8
>>2284 What I'm wondering is why isn't the QT demon girl central and prominent, it gives me feelings like there was a shift to focusing on gay tranny spider thing. >>3239 >the LEFT parties there are held together purely by mutual hatred If you actually paid attention to politics you would realize the entire democratic party as it is now is purely an opposition conglomerate. >>3243 >>3250 fucking feds >>3255 >that song skipped ahead and listened to 15 seconds then immediately hated it >>6946 That was good, whole video
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>>6946 >Blitzo slips out sex jokes like he's a leaking freudian pipeline >Cannibal family >It's clear that they would have killed them anyway even if they weren't cannibals I can tell they're really trying to shake the "cartoons are for kids" bullshit that's been holding the west back, I hope they succeed on that because frankly the show's a fucking romp, i've literally never seen this type of comedy plot with such a lighthearted tone. Even if you don't like the shows V-Pop is putting out, it might be enough to break the old trends that caused people to slip over to anime for actual shows. They'd better focus on making a damn show though, keep that political boomer shit out. We don't need more trash.
>>6957 Primal is more the direction I want animation in the west to take than this. Vivzie is still by all accounts an SJW herself. Supporting BLM & ACAB while now making shows that are just vulgarity equating to funny. There's no nuance to it.
>>6957 >>6958 To be fair, Youtube has been kind of a dick with animated content, so I don't blame them to put extra swearing and violence to ensure they aren't going to get coppaed
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>>6966 Nah. Vivzie just never left her middle school edgelord phase. Characters like Alastor are hold overs from Zoophobia, an old project of hers.
>>6958 Primal’s also good, I agree with you. But right now I think people’s disgust with SJW bullshit is at an all time high, so now’s the perfect time for a smattering if cartoons to show, the ones that are outwardly bullshit will likely die anyway. The industry is at a good point relative to where it was. Still kinda in the shit but something can climb out.
>>6969 But like I said Vivzie is still an SJW in her own right. It's not uncommon for them to eat their own so saying SJWs don't like it isn't an excuse.
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>>6958 >Primal is more the direction I want animation in the west to take What do you think of Tales of Aletherion?
>>7049 Different anon, but too slow of a production schedule and the animation has gotten more choppy the past few entries. The attempt at non-verbal storytelling, the contents of the story itself and the homebrewed D&D setting is appreciated, but it does not feel as much of a proper work as much as a vanity project.
>>7050 >too slow of a production schedule To be fair, that's the case to any internet animation production >and the animation has gotten more choppy the past few entries. Really? That's sad, because I've watching the first season and everything looks awesome.
>>7057 Check the one named Thug's life where it's more of a power-point presentation.Another example would be the one about the illegitimate lizard child. Granted the one about the daughter seems to be more animated, but I'll wait for it to get released before I get my hopes up.
>>7057 >that's the case to any internet animation production Back then, the standard has been rising for some time now.
>>6967 >>6958 Never trust a show made by a furry.
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So deviant art tier furry porn & satanism is now mainstream.In the not so distant future when satanism & furries are normalized I hope Disney buys this IP and makes CG version of this show in the Hotel Transylvania animation style.
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>>7119 That's about as possible as Disney releasing a new IP that's rated R17+.
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>>7131 Today that might be the case but in the future when porn is normalized & becomes more acceptable they might launch DisneyXXX or they might buy pornhub. Disney princess porn has a huge investment opportunity because it might be the most popular animated porn circulating the web (Ben10 might be more popular) & look at how much porn fan artists make on patreon . I don't think Disney & other media companies will ignore fan art porn/ animated porn market much longer
>>7132 Anon, that won't happen
>>7132 Why are poeple like you so retarded? Not every jewish mega-corporation wants to put their kosher paws in every business they theoretically can. Pornographic animation is generally bottom of the barrel and nets chump change at the studio level in comparison to most other forms of animation, even in japan.
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>>7135 He said in the future, when it's more normalized.
>>7132 >>7138 >in 10 years there will be saturday morning fucky toons if the slope keeps slipping at the rate it's going >orgyporgy done in calarts style wewlads
>>7139 I thought that was the purpose of Steven Universe. To teach kids about consent and rape.
>>7138 he also acts like porn isn't already normalized. You missed the point that the porn industry isn't worth enough for a mego corp that speclizes in other shit to invest in it. Sure it makes a lot of money, but disney even in it's current state is still making billions, while compannies like MindGeek make millions.
>>7144 >he also acts like porn isn't already normalized. Moreso than in the past, but it could certainly be even more normalized. You acknowledge this by pointing out that many "normal" companies don't want to touch it, despite it being a huge source of income. But it would contaminate their brand. But give it time, and soon these companies will not only make porn, but call you an istophobe if you don't buy it. Of course, it will only be certain kinds of porn. Nothing to appeal to straight men. Children will be considered okay, though. Netflix already started this months ago. Hell, Cartoon Network and others have been pushing relatively hard putting sexual stuff into childrens' cartoons for years. And I don't mean "adult" jokes designed to fly over kids' heads. I mean outright trying to turn kids into trannies. They're determined to mix the topics of kids and sex.
To get off the porno talk. Has anyone else noticed that Satanism is extremely overdone and cliche when it comes to making a "rebellious" work? Why is it always Satanism, and absolutely NOTHING ELSE in terms of a so-called "counter culture".
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>>7148 >Satanism is extremely overdone and cliche when it comes to making a "rebellious" work? I think it is the easiest rebellion archetype that can be used for story telling as the Lucifer's rebellion story is known by everyone because it is so popularized in media. Another reason Satanism & symbolism related to it is so common in media because most people in media are into occult mystery religions & cults.Disney,Pixar and most other big studios openly use these symbols in their TV programs, merchandise & theme parks all the time. https://archive.org/details/donaldinmathmagicland At 3:24 in this film they describe the Pentagram as a representative emblem for the Pythagorean fraternity.The symbols that are portrayed as satanic for the public today usually have another meaning for the occult elites who own & produce media. Satanism represented as the so-called "counter culture" in the media today is "controlled counter culture" produced by the establishment to control rebellion & dissent.If you look into the history of satanism & the prominent figures that were involved in propagating it you will find that most of them were involved in military & intelligence organizations. I don't know much about the occult but I do know that satanism is the Left hand path in occult religions & those who chose to follow that path are destroyed by it therefore rebels who follow Satanism to rebel are doomed to fail in their rebellion just like in the story of Lucifer's rebellion against god.
>>7148 The real question is why are so few of these "rebellious" types aware of what an embarrassment they are
>>7059 Indie animation investment has been growing up in the last years but indie projects are still scarce and slow. >>7059 >Check the one named Thug's life Just checked, you weren't lying, it's a literal PPT presentation, which is sad because I really liked the first season of the show and that short about the adventurer guy he presented to Gobelins as his thesis project; I genuely thing the guy has talent, I hope someday he would be hired by a decent studio.
>>7148 It depends, why do you mean by "rebellious", like experimental projects? If that so, stuff like La Casa Lobo comes to my mind and that thing is not related to satanism in any way.
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>>7167 Watched some of La Casa Lobo, I don't think the story of The Wolf House is about rebellion its about abuse & mindcontrol.
>>7168 >I don't think the story of The Wolf House is about rebellion its about abuse & mindcontrol. That's exactly why I'm asking what the guy meant by "rebellious", I understood "experimental projects" that's why I mentioned that film. And regarding Wolf House, it's more about the myths surrounded german speaking communities in Chile and in Lat in general the myths on rural areas trent to be wild.
>>7154 Their narcissism doesn't allow for much self-reflection.
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>>2284 Vivzie may be a stupid cunt but I like this moment.
>>8042 >Vivzie may be a stupid cunt let me guess, is she one of these basic bitch women with tumblr opinions and pronouns on her bio?
>>8133 She openly supports BLM & ACAB.
>>8133 She also got into some drama about buying someone's furry OC the main character in her Die Young video, but I didn't look too much into it because all furry drama is retarded.
There hasn't been a whole lot of talk here about the trailer for helluva boss that came out weeks ago let alone the second episode for helluva boss.
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>>9173 >We'll be saying "Fuck" a whole Hell of a lot, LOL AND into the trash it goes.
>>9173 I think I am one of the few people who preferred the Hazbin Hotel pilot and would have like to see those characters interact more. I feel like that one kid who actually preferred the boy and monkey pilot instead of the KND pilot with the swimming pool.
>>9175 The thing is Hazbin Hotel is getting an officially show by a legitimate studio while Helluva Boss is just seemingly gonna stay on youtube for now. Production for the former should presumably be going.
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>>6958 Honestly, after 2020, I vow never to put politics into my cartoons ever again. I need more shows like Primal that just doesn't give a fuck.
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https://yewtu.be/watch?v=RghsgkZKedg Episode 3 of Helluva boss is out now.
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>>9342 At least archive the cancer.
>>9342 The fuck's a "transmasc incidental"?
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>>9343 Okay.
>>9342 Well it is a show about sinning, so it is to be expected to see something like this in today's culture. You could argue that this show "promotes", or rather shows all these sinful activities such as killing, having sex outside of marriage and with anything, including animals and whatnot, as being "fun" and "whacky", and with no repercussions. If that is the case, why are you still here at episode 3?
>>9342 I assumed those were pectoral lines.
>>9348 The person in the tweet goes on to say they work on the show & intended it to be surgery scars specifically.
>>9349 Ooooof course they were. Not watching it then. By the way didn't A24 pick this up? Why is it still releasing on YouTube?
>>9350 A24 picked up Hazbin Hotel. Helluvaboss is just on youtube for the time being. Which is weird because it has at least one professional voice actor doing the voice for Moxxie.
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>>9317 Theres still some issues with Blitzos dialogue, Im assuming the VA tends to adlib a lot, but overall the episode is better than the previous two, I can see the team getting a feel for what they want to do with it, theres a lot less clutter and unnessesary scenes.
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>>9317 >Loona gets blacked BRAVO VIV
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>>9366 >+1 progressive point earned I hate blacked shit, but I support the creators doing what they want. However, in CY+6 these types of things always have to do with identity politics which deserve no respect or protection. Saying that, I don't watch the show and likely never will
>>9366 >>9376 On the brightside, he said he has a girlfriend & invites Loona to a party to make friends. Still though the nigger lusting was way too strong.
>>9376 I know just how you feel there; "just because" is a much better reason for the shit they put in than the woke drivel they spew forth when asked about it
>>9376 The character is not nigger, it's a hell hound in disguise of a nigger > I don't watch the show and likely never will Why are you even here then?
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>>9384 Because I use the overboard and saw a post I wanted to comment on. Were you really not able to extrapolate that retard? >The character is not nigger, it's a hell hound in disguise of a nigger <he's a [non-nigger] trapped in a nigger's body! Twitter logic
>>9384 >Why are you here then Because /co/ needs the pph even if I will never give the show a view on YouTube. Maybe I'll pirate it once A24 releases it but not now.
>>9388 Anon, Hazbin Hotel and Helluva Boss are different shows.
>>9388 >Because /co/ needs the pph I know, Frank, but the people is coming here doesn't really give anything interesting to discuss, or even encourage to do it so, just look at this thread, half of the discussion is about disney princess porn, I wouldn't mind having like five post per week if they were made by people who's really into cartoons and cómics
>>9391 Though they take place in the same setting. In the pilot episode it depicted Charlie being shown on the news at one point.
>>9393 I'm not Frank I'm just a very concerned citizen who's most viewed media is barely discussed here so what else can I do. >>9391 Anon, sister and brother series can be fundamentally considered the same thing at times.
>>9342 they're not trans. they're dudes. anyone who looks at this without prior knowledge of the tranny bullshit or twitter culture will just see one muscular dude and one feminine dude with sunglasses. its just another "ganondorf is gay" tier pathetic pandering attempt where they can just say these characters are blanketyblank without actually animating them as such. she was probably told that so she would just shut the fuck up and stop bothering the rest of the production team since these people have nothing else going on for themselves but to bother others about their trans shit. >>9317 i watched this the other day and it was pretty good, didnt like that they made the werewolf bodyguard a nigger though if you want to go by the lore of the show, that is just a disguise he uses on earth, still just a regular hellhound down on hell. my favorite gag was when they look at the viewer after boss says "you have any idea the kind of perverted sicko that fawns over girls like you out there?", that one got me giggling
>>9529 >>9342 (x)he was probably clutching his keyboard while eating fatty cakes and crying as he typed that twitter and the "i work on this hurrdurr dont bother arguing i win I WIN TAKE THAT MEN" one. just typical white woman behavior.
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>>9531 >(x)he
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>>9174 <trying too hard
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Episode 4 of Helluva Boss is out. https://yewtu.be/watch?v=1ZFseYPmkAk
>>10301 They're putting these out at a pretty decent pace for a web series.
>>10301 This one was kinda funny & had some more lively animation. >using capitalist as an insult They just can't keep their politics away though.
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>>10301 Least funny episode so far, call me when there's a goatse episode.
>>10303 >They just can't keep their politics away though. Bucko, it's because animation and comics as an American industry has shut out of the working class. Only rich people with extra time on their hands can afford to put out stuff like this. And like most landed elite gentry they whinge about crony capitalism even though they're the biggest inheritors of it.
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>>10301 holy fuck so many hot furries this episode >2 angel goats >angel deer >angel sheep >bonus angel shota thought not furry >moxie and millie just doing it mid battle
>>10373 <cuckchan meme
>>10303 i felt it was a bit too fast paced compared to the rest, like they teleport the old man around places with no rhyme or reason to fit the episode timeframe. favorite joke was probably when they played the gnome sound after blitz unmasks the santa. >>10374 >OH MY GOD YOU POSTED A WRONGMEME its cut from a metokur stream, calm down autist.
>>10375 Eh it's a cartoon. The purpose is, like the angels keep saying, is to show the old man the beauty of living.
>>10303 >>10333 Calm your political autism, It's just a joke. The joke is that Moxxie is rating about shit on one gives a fuck and Blitzo doesn't respect him.
>>10381 The third episode had trannies & blacked shit so fuck off with that. This bullshit is politically left leaning whether you accept it or not.
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>>10383 It's a degenerate Hell, yet there's almost little to no characters in SS outfits or anyone leaning with those sorts of ideas. Would be funnier if there's also some glow-in-the-dark CIA fag with the tactics that one expects elsewhere.
>>10384 Considering Vivzie being an ACAB bitch, it's surprising there aren't a bunch of dead cops in hell just in the background.
>>10373 Would have been better if they had an angel ox, angel lion,angel eagle, and angel human.
>>10384 >no characters in SS outfits or anyone leaning with those sorts of ideas I guess all those people went to Heaven.
>>10301 Animation was good, writing was eh and the cringe was intense. Over all pretty eh. Loonie Tunes type skits and the story driven approach of the previous 2 episodes dont mesh well together.
>>10387 Well if you were to ask the writer they'd probably say that those people were purged..
>>10473 That would be funny, like only the mormons going to heaven in South Park >>10384 I would say after several decades of purging they would have been killed a long time ago.
>>7071 > the standard has been rising for some time now Crowdfunding helps a lot.
I like it, I know the creator is a massive SJW but I still find the show funny, its like a higher quality newgrounds animation. you even have a bunch of newgrounds people helping work on it.
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>>7132 I want to impregnate every single one of those except for the redhead.
>>7132 Anon, Disney used to own several softcore pay per view channels in the 90's
>>11406 Prove it.
>>11408 In the early 90's, Disney owned about 70% of the stock in a pay per view service called "Viewer's Choice" this included their adult service "Hot Choice"
>>11429 Sometimes furries scares me
>>9175 > the boy and monkey pilot instead of the KND pilot I wanted to see that getting its retarded lore just like KND. >>11429 >Look at the degenerates watching us right now *wink wink*
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Another episode is already out now: https://yewtu.be/watch?v=h2ZmVAdezF8
>>12363 It sucks. Maybe it's because they have Norman Reedus guest star but the animation took a hard nosedive. There's so many heavy choppy frames you'd think you were watching a french execution.
>>12363 stolas is adorable >>12373 yeah whats up with the animation in this episode, its choppy as hell.
>>12432 I can only justify it by blowing their budget on Norman Reedus & maybe 2 good fight scenes. Still it's inexcusable for a passion project with no set air date or deadlines to be this poorly presented.
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>>12373 >they have Norman Reedus guest star Great. "Fur Stranding." When the hell did the redneck Edward Furlong become the gold standard for guest stars?
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>>12450 It helps he shares their politics. Meaning BLM support.
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>>12472 oh my god the level of fart huffing and self agrandizing with these eggless women.
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Fucking disgusting. I'm starting to think these fucking people actually think hell & demons are cool. https://archive.md/RG52t
>>12475 The things that make demons and Hell "cool" are all a romanticized take on the concept of being "unholy". In reality, Heaven is where all the REAL fun, with Hell being a sterile and stale place where people go to suffer. Need to look no further than the angels already being eldritch beings. Who knows what other wicked stuff is out there.
>>12477 Yes the modern idea of hell being a hellish landscape is more of a popular culture but the idea that angels are ONLY eldritch beings is stupid. There's multiple classification of angels & many of them appear in human forms especially in the new testament.
>>12478 *hellish fiery landscape
>>12477 The popular imagination of “hell” is take almost wholly from the Divine Comedy.
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>>12475 >"Oh, and fuck yeah >she is [mental illness flag]" Welp, I'm out. I can deal with just about anything but I'm not going to give attention to that (((bullshit))).
>>12472 >It helps he shares their politics. Meaning BLM support. >those pics >that sharpied forearm "BLM" that might just be a hastily acquired tattoo, given how retarded he is >my mfw when
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>>12475 >nose >jaw I didn't even know Robert Z'dar had transitioned. Rip in peace
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>Blacked furry goth >Tranny >Ugly she-mutt creator now advocating for BLM Welp, fuck this trash
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>>12532 I dunno if I'd call her a mutt. She's just fat. She & her clique are definitely nigger terror supporters though.
>>12533 Great, can't wait to see Floyd making a cameo (while unintentionally implying he's burning in hell) produced by Rebel Wilson's retarded cousin, this bitch tries way too hard to cater both sides of the spectrum. >Edgy but not so much >Representation by having tasteless stereotypes
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>>12533 >I dunno if I'd call her a mutt <Vivienne "VivziePop" Medrano She's a Californian Spic anon I expected her fucking virtue signalling to happen sooner or later, just didn't expect her cartoons to get this fucking bad.
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>>12533 >I dunno if I'd call her a mutt. Look past the blonde dye-job. She looks like Horatio Sans in drag.
>>12533 I'm not even mildly upset at this point, helluva boss isn't enjoyable to watch, I can't even tell if it's supposed to be funny or just noise. I wasn't expecting anything to come out of that other hazbin hotel pitch so it's not like I'll lose out on any promise that might have held, this just seems par for the course for a cartoon about hell to be made by creatures that fit the theme.
>>12533 >>12475 >>12472 well not like i was ever going to give her any money. none of the episodes have been preachy (yet) and most of the virtue signaling and pozzed kike garbage is done, and contained within, the twittersphere. if they keep making good episodes 5 wasn't and not putting that stuff in the show, im willing to give them a pass.
Well I'm glad that I passed over this crap when it first came out. At first, I thought it was going to somewhat like Zombie's El Superbeasto only a musical. Then I started reading about on a few furry sites I browsed.
>>12596 My internet, my computer.
>>12596 /fur/ is an active board on this very site.
>>12585 >episodes have been preachy The rich evil capitalist episode can be considered a bit preachy.
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>>12604 Don't remind us.
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>>12596 I love that dipshit's comics. Like furfags are some sort of oppressed minority instead of just a bunch of laughable degenerate ass-clowns.
>>12609 Reminder that he took bikecuck and redeemed him into a furfag killer.
>>12617 I must have missed that one. What happened?
>>12605 i thought the cherubs were preachy, not the episode itsefl
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>>12545 >An edgelord in the past <Now she's sucking bbc for #negroslivematter Anything to be the new black.
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>>13244 >mfw the punchline
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>>12617 >he took bikecuck and redeemed him into a furfag killer Go on...
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This just in, VivziePop thinks you can't be Christian & believe in science. Let's just ignore a few renowned Christians in history who were also in scientific fields of study. https://twitter.com/VivziePop/status/1403862565185331200
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>>14123 >VivziePop thinks you can't be Christian & believe in science She's one of the literal NPCs, sprinkled around the simulation to simulate a world population of billions, when it's obviously only me and my dog.
>>14123 Her cancelling was just a fucking test to see how devoted she is.
>>14123 >>14128 >>14132 Here's an archive of the tweet. 10 hours old but as long as it immortalizes the stupidity. https://archive.md/RpdNP
>>14136 Now she wants it to stop.
>>14136 >Scott the creator of one of the most mediocre games with a tremendous cancerous fanbases left with a huge impact and struck gold ever since, he probably still owns the rights despite retiring. <Something that this fat stupid dyke will never accomplish instead she lays her face on a catpiss filled pillow while working like a slave on her DeviantArt-tier series. The funniest fucking part is that those dykes were ironic and now they're shocked that their "hero" is a republican, just like with Minecraft, Toby Fox when?
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>>14160 >>14136 >>14132 >>14128 >>14123 It just got a hell of a lot worse with her getting doxed. https://archive.fo/xOAyw
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>>14181 It's pathetic how she tries to justify how she's totally not a hypocrite. >"n-no it's okay to cancel him because I didn't get cancelled for bad things like he did! i'm totally innocent guize!"
>>14181 shame some faggot doxed her, it was funny when she got assblasted. Now this incident is just going to be libshit fap fodder, whenever someone talks about how these people are worse than the muh soggy kneeist trump gamergater nazi's they will bring this incident up.
>>14186 > whenever someone talks about how these people are worse than the muh soggy kneeist trump gamergater nazi's they will bring this incident up. Where they started harassing a dev over his political donations to the point he practically retired, and then are surprised when people retaliate and attack them?
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>>14181 >you fuckers happy now? Inordinately, yes.
>>14187 Did vizzie even dox him or did she just circlejerk about how problematic is politics or religon is. It doesn't really matter in the end, it just means progs are gonna try to use this as a gotca now that it happened, which doesn't change much, but it certantly is annoying. Irregardless of morality, doxing is pretty useless unless you are a lefty. Jack and shit is going to come out of vizzie geting doxed aside from her and others bringing it up whenever someone shittalks her now.
>>14181 Did she really get doxxed, or just playing the victim?
>>14214 She seems to have acutally been doxed, can't find pictures though. People were saying that true spics were the one that doxxed her since they hate her guts.
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>>3255 >dress and act like whore >get raped
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>>15213 >boobs are not big It's shit.
>>7148 Because mommy made them go to church and it bored them; They never grew past the petulant toddler stage.
>>14123 Gasp. The woman who made a satanist lul so randum xD cartoon dislikes Christianity. This is a shock to someone, I'm sure.
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>>15213 >Jumping on that mediocre game's only attraction <Hi-five Can't wait for her to confuse it with any other generic zombie shooter.
Episode 6 Came out yesterday. https://yewtu.be/watch?v=yXErLiSbxXQ
>>14123 Lmao >>14123 They fucking deleted them. What a joke.
>>14123 This faggot is fucking retarded, and I'm glad I never bothered with that shitshow. >deleted What a fucking coward too. Can't have people know what an idiot they are. >>14181 Play stupid games, win stupid prizes. >>14222 (nice) >spics hate her I don't blame them, she sounds like a huge cunt.
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It's been about a years since the first episode came out and this is the results. Jesus, how do you go from putting out something mildly popular to becoming a lolcow in that time?
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>>19224 Simple she should have just focused on making more eps, enjoying her work, and simply just not wasting time with bait on twatter with randos that have nothing to do with her animation work. And I suspect that she prefers Helluva Boss as it's a more compact work to do and just not as sprawling as Hazbeen. And if you as an artist have to endorse something like BLM, don't do that shit for free get a massive piece of the grifter pie and sell out harder and faster than Cheap Trick at Budokhan and collect all Charmin you can from the NGO's and retire.
>>19224 Focusing on social media, fans both good and bad, and endless pointless political sperging as a result of your perceiving importance and newfound social position instead of focusing on improving the work itself.
>>2284 Let anons on 8chan tell you what you're allowed to like.
>>19485 Nobody said anything about "allowed." He's asking if it's worth spending the time. Presumably he seems to think his opinions mostly match well with the average opinions here, so such an assessment may prove useful. But he should have known just from looking at it that the answer was no.
>>19316 Once again if you're on the socialist side of the isle you should not do any SocJus endorsements for free, you need to make sure you are paid and laid and that all the cheques for your signalling are cashed in full. Remember Hasan's a progressive on twitch and he remembered to invest in nice 3 Million dollar from his simps,
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Hazbin Hotel is officially happening now. BUT there's a catch. The entire original voice cast has been fired & will be recasted. Understandable that someone like Stamper would have to be replaced but EVERYONE ELSE was recasted too. Despite characters like Alastor having the entire appeal being their voice. Just goes to show the fat pig bitch VivziePop doesn't have any integrity if she won't stand with the cast that made her vision come true. No dignity. https://archive.md/7NJBr https://archive.ph/mby55
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>>21425 >>21427 Any chance she loses out on more goodwill and might become a potential lolcow (again) like back in her Tumblr days?
>>21429 Depends. Seems she's trying right now to keep her trap shut after her comments on scientists & Christianity.
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>>21425 You would think the project director would stand behind her talent but nope, they were all cut loose.
>>21434 Yep. No integrity. Now just watch as they're now replaced by famous celebrities.
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>>21437 > just watch as they're now replaced by famous celebrities I think that was the plan. Just look at the original "headcanon" video that was posted back in 2015: https://yewtu.be/watch?v=A_xFbAyafIo
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>>21425 That dumbass should have kept the voice actors for the show since now she'll have all the attention instead of Bosco and Kovach, meaning everything she does will be judged with her in the spotlight and frankly she's a shit person. I was actually looking forward to the show due to the talent behind the characters, not the creator of the show considering she acts like a common twitter doxx slag who can't keep her mouth shut during production. If the talent that attracted people to the show is gone (Especially because the Ashley Art streams with the voice actors hanging round was extremely popular and retarded good marketing for the show) then it's just going to be like a Kojima game without his handlers, fucking off the goddamned rails and in space-land with no grounding. What the christ are you thinking, woman? She just threw her whole project under the fucking bus, if there's anything I could get from her plot synopsis and general plans it's going to be really, really dead melodrama tumblr bullshit without ANY of the personality that would have made her story acceptable, because she fired her whole FUCKING STAFF!
>>21472 Goes to show you can't put a woman in charge of anything.
>>21472 Funny you should include an Ena gif seeing as her voice actors are also being replaced for Dream BBQ.
>>21474 Isn't Dream BBQ a completely different Ena anyway?
>>21476 It's a full ass adventure game in the style of the shorts, least that's what Joel's saying.
>>21477 I know that, I mean the Red-and-White Ena featured there is a different one from the Yellow-and-Blue Ena featured in the shorts, with regards to the claim of replacing VAs.
>>21474 >her voice actors are also being replaced for Dream BBQ. What the fuck? Why the fuck? >>21476 There's only theories. Hard to know. Multiple ENA's is a just a popular theory.
>>21581 Wouldn't be the first time, wasn't atleast one of the first ENA video VA's replaced by the second/maybe third video?
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I HURT MYSELF TODAY
>>22935 What? Did he an hero?
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>Is any of this shit really worth watching? It's ok. Worth your time for sure. The problems I have with Vivzi is just that I don't like a lot of the artistic choices. Too many of the characters are one note edgy shit. But, to be honest, for this kind of show (Hazbin & Helluva B) this simp bait works. Hope to see more over simplified democrabbing characters. It's a very competently made cartoon, with a lot of talented people pitching in, and it shows. Vivzies push to musicals is a big draw for me. Some scenes and some music is fucking awesome. Animation makes calarts beanheads look like a fucking joke, because this requires actual talent and not just some copypasta AI assets from other beanhead shows. There will be a videoFX plugin to make any show "calarts beanheads". And you wil not see the difference from a real show. I'm expecting this to be reality in 5 years. Got bored, got drunk, stopping here. Wanted to rant more, but It's a fine.
>>22935 The fuck is going on with this guy. Is he really on hard drugs burning bridges or that just rumors?
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>>24565 Well there are some people working on an AI that can make Flintstone animations, and while impressive, it can only do a few seconds of animation and some of them have a lot of artifacts. It might take another 20-30 years before AI can make entire Steven Universe cartoons, though when we reach that stage, it means that fans and trolls could make whatever they want. Want to make your own SU episodes? Go ahead. Want to make a Dark Water ending that follows the plot of the Genesis game? Go ahead.
>>24664 >feed an AI a bunch of scenes >look we can make new scenes! How will you generate the scenes to be fed into the AI for the first round? This seems to only help fan-derivatives as opposed to first-movers.
>>24677 That's pretty much a major problem with AI shit in general. It's needs to be feed large amounts of data to work properly and it's expensive to collect and create all the data it needs in the first place.
>>24664 >We finally made an AI that could make YTP tier edits Soon the machines will be able to make something on the level of Super Duper Super Men...... youtube.com/watch?v=Hi-a93TgzBw
https://yewtu.be/watch?v=_spuxXnul0U Season 2 Final Premiered showing more of Stola's backstory and later on taking off around the end of the season 1 finale.
honestly it's not that bad sure the humor and dialogue is not that great but everything else is good.Octavia is such a cutie
>>27998 It's woke trash made by a bitch who genuinely hates Christians. Which is a big problem when your main show's premise is damned souls working to redeem themselves from their sins to get into heaven.
>>28001 As someone pointed out, because it's so woke, they refuse to draw nazis in hell, which means one of two things, either they all got killed by the other hell denizens for being racists or some shit, or they are all in heaven, and if it's the latter it means that the jews were asking for it.
>>28011 109 countries can't be wrong.
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>>28011 >they refuse to draw nazis in hell, which means one of two things, either they all got killed by the other hell denizens for being racists or some shit, or they are all in heaven, and if it's the latter it means that the jews were asking for it.
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>>28001 >bitch Anon, I...
>>28062 Ha! >>28063 You think she's a tranny?
>>28072 If she were a tranny then the show would have anime tropes or some kind of anime aesthetic.
>>28098 Anime tropes are problematic to tranny faggots. At most there'd be the same tired references they always use. Sailor Moon transformation sequence, Akira bike slide, Cloud's buster sword, or vaguely Dragon Ball Z references are always in their shit.
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>>28072 >You think she's a tranny? The choker makes me wonder, but not as much as that chin and those shoulders.
>>28098 >If she were a tranny then the show would have anime tropes or some kind of anime aesthetic. <all trannies are weebs Perhaps, but there's always that troublemaker who proves to be an exception to the rule.
>>28100 Sadly a lot of women just have ugly man faces. It's not as uncommon as you'd think or hope.
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>>28102 >Sadly a lot of women just have ugly man faces. Sure, I get that. Maybe I'm just so jaded by Cartoon Network's bizarre choices for creators I just assume ugly chicks are just men or some other deviant sort of creature.
>>28106 Rebecca Sugar is just jewish.
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>>28108 My theory is that she and her "brother" are both trans and decided to swap places.
>>28109 Don't give hollywood movie ideas.
>>3243 >At that point militias are a must.
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>>6958 Peepoodo is the direction I want animation in the west to take (minus the token tranny)
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>>7132 >>7139 >>orgyporgy done in calarts style
>>27998 >born in 2003/zoomer girl the deep and unquestionable hatred towards men like you its in her DNA at this point.
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>>28011 >Heaven is full of Nazis and KKK members >their souls are so powerful that they're in some high ranking administrative role, so we'll never see them on-screen Bravo Vivzie!
>>28347 Should really push that angle on twitter.
>>28347 Sounds like something Id see in Sinfest.
>>3255 A really remarkable thing about this show its that even as pozzed as it its, its the only one in existence that show how self-destructive and poisonous non-straight people really tend to be, I swear in every other case they portrait gay/lesbian couples as "perfect, more immaculate than le evil straight people would even dream of".
I think what bugs me the most is how promising the pilot was and actually seemed like it was going with a Christian theological setting with some form of hopeful view of universal reconciliation or hell's doors being locked from the inside. Then all the woke shit from outside the show poisoned any sense of that. I've always liked the idea that no one, no matter what their sins, is beyond redemption or reconciliation even if already in Hell. It bugs me that this has the idea that those in Hell can be redeemed, but due to politic nonsense only has that certain acceptable people can be presented redeemed in any fashion. Universal reconciliation and the problem of hell is very old, particularly the idea that mortal humans are only capable of a finite amount of sin in their lifetimes which arguably does not justify an infinite punishment and is contradictory to an omnibenevolent God. Beyond that the everything from the author's twitter drama, the bad writing, the swinging inconsistent tone of Helluva Boss, and firing the orignal voice actors from the pilot has made me lose interest in this. A more minor thing I'm disappointed about is that we probably won't be seeing like Mrs. Mayberry (who is obviously in hell for suicide and the sin of Wrath) anymore. I liked her as a character. At this point the show seems like it's at best going to be another Steven Universe where the writing and worldbuilding got a good start but then got off the rails due to drama, bad writing, and ignoring what should be logical consequences and actions of the characters. It still bugs me that the Diamonds were simply talked (singed?) down because of losing a sibling and being sad even after being clearly indicated to have conquered at least dozens of worlds and being space dictators ruling over a rigid caste system. It was just groan worthy and annoying in the later seasons to ignore all the implications that had been built up and not addressed. >>28011 >>28028 >>28347 It seems odd they were willing to joke about Jeffrey Dahmer (who fucking experimented in lobotomizing live people by injecting acid in their brains) having a cannibal cooking show in Hell then explicitly stated they removed a Nazi joke from the pilot for going too far. If they were willing to go with a joke about a serial killer like that I don't see why they couldn't go with similar stuff about history's various monsters. If they wanted to keep the same tone with the Dahmer joke they could just have just joked about Hitler running an art store or museum. Alastor is even presented as a serial killer and cannibal and apparently a persons form and power in Hell apparently is affected by their sins and mindset in life which raises the questions of what people who directly or indirectly committed massive amounts of genocide like Stalin, Mao, or Hitler would look like in this setting's Hell. Why is it modern media can't portray explicit Nazis as either jokes or villains anymore? At this point most people who were alive during World War 2 are dead yet it seems like media is more sensitive about that than it was when stuff like Hogan's Heroes and The Producers was made. Yeah, Nazis as villains is kind of a cliché at this point due to it being common for decades, but I don't get why it's bad in the sense of politics or morals? Joking or mocking tragedy and suffering is a normal way to deal with those problems to an exent. A quote from Mel Brooks (who is Jewish) on that "The only way to get even with anybody is to ridicule them. So, the only real way I could get even with Hitler and company was to bring them down with laughter." >>28351 I think it's more accurate to say that what the LGBT movement and its politics has become is more the problem. The internet hasn't helped. It seems like there were a lot more reasonable non-straight people from the pre-internet as mainstream era of the early 90s and before and there some reasonable people online now even if few by comparison, but I agree I do like that they portrayed gay and lesbian characters as being flawed and evil enough in a way not directly related to their sexuality. It's clear Angel Dust is in Hell for being an unrepentant drug addict, hedonist to the point of harming others and himself, and being involved in organized crime more than anything else. I genuinely liked that.
>>28361 Laughing at them means you see them as humans, and people want to make the Nazis out to be inhuman monsters, which ironically just inspires more people to admire them out of the infamy hype, just like the Columbine kids. If the media had portrayed Dylan and Eric as the loser faggots they were, who got bullied and then bullied the kids lower on the totem pole them them while also sucking each other off making gay porn and Doom wads then there wouldn't have been wave after wave of copycats.
>>28361 It's really an idea that only works when you're someone who actually believes, studies, & understands the subject matter. People like Vizie don't because they're tumblrtards that have a grudge against their religious parents.
>>28361 >>28368 >>28376 There's also the fact that, according to the baizuo, there is no path to redemption for anyone who ever commits whatever "unspeakble sin" they think up on the spot.
>>28361 >I think it's more accurate to say that what the LGBT movement and its politics has become is more the problem. That's why it's time for television and the like to abandon the "Rainbow-Age". Because its intention was political from the start. Nothing more than hostile takeover, especially when it came down to children's media. >I think what bugs me the most is how promising the pilot was and actually seemed like it was going with a Christian theological setting with some form of hopeful view of universal reconciliation or hell's doors being locked from the inside. Then all the woke shit from outside the show poisoned any sense of that. I've always liked the idea that no one, no matter what their sins, is beyond redemption or reconciliation even if already in Hell. It bugs me that this has the idea that those in Hell can be redeemed, but due to politic nonsense only has that certain acceptable people can be presented redeemed in any fashion. Universal reconciliation and the problem of hell is very old, particularly the idea that mortal humans are only capable of a finite amount of sin in their lifetimes which arguably does not justify an infinite punishment and is contradictory to an omnibenevolent God. Basically it's just another fictional characterization of someone's(Viviana's) personal diary. That's all. They're always good at the start. But the deeper you go... yeesh.
All i know about that are the memes with doomguy on it.
>>28466 I know it because of the retarded drama, shitty cartoon supposed to be edgy but never crosses the line. >>28361 Imagine my shock if the dyke refuses to bring leftwing dictators because they had good intentions, from Mandela to Pot Pol.
>>28502 Imagine writing a show that takes place in hell and you're more milquetoast about portraying real people in said setting than fucking South Park. In fact, South Park was arguably more progressive than Hazbin what with Saddam Hussein being Satan's gay lover and all.
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>>9342 >transmask Is that another word for the zippertits FTMs?
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>>24664 >Want to make your own SU episodes? Lars can finally get revenge on his rapist.
>>28623 Yes.
Supposed announcements are coming for Hazbin Hotel tomorrow. With a poster officially released today. On top of that, I have some alleged leaked character sheets. Take em with a grain of salt but, considering it's Vivzie, these seem pretty possibly real.
>>30069 And that's the last of them. Again, grain of salt. Should find out soon just how real it all is. I'm still very negative towards Vivzie even if I'm interested in watching this likely trainwreck happen from afar. Easily could piss off a lot more people if she goes full edgy "fuck you for making me go to church MOM!" with anti christian rhetoric.
>>30067 >>30068 >>30069 >>30070 Aside from making Adam the "villain" (When Eve was the one who ate the fruit first) and a misogynist, what's wrong with it?
>>30071 Read the thread. Vivzie is a tumblrina with a biased hatred towards christians making a show that's about the daughter of Lucifer trying to redeem damned souls. See the problem with that mix?
>>30067 >>30068 >>30069 >>30070 It's bizarre how many of these specify what the race the voice actor should be, but it's a show made by a tumblrina so I guess that's to be expected. Disappointing that the angel designs (even the ones stated to be villains) are really lacking in any sense of terror or gravitas. There's a reason Angels often say things like "Be Not Afraid" or "Fear Not" in the Bible. Angels are terrifying things, at least in their true forms. Also I've always been annoyed that Alastor is basically a deviantart furry Alucard ripoff. It's a lot more obvious with the early character designs and Charlie started out looking a lot like some sort of steam punk rule 63 Hellboy. >>30071 There's a lot stuff wrong with this show that been pointed out repeatedly in this thread, such as Vivzie's social media drama, her political and anti-religion sperging, the original voice actors from the pilot being replaced, inconsistent tone and questionable writing of what we've so far and a politard fan base... etc.
>>30073 >There's a reason Angels often say things like "Be Not Afraid" or "Fear Not" in the Bible. Angels are terrifying things, at least in their true forms. Yes and no. Angels have an actual canonical hierarchy. The higher you go, the more abstract they look. Most angels are just humans with wings. Which is already pretty terrifying. Especially in the ancient middle east. The angels that do speak to humans in the bible are these common angel types. Not the thrones or cherubs. Yes a lot of Vivzie's character designs are reused from her old concepts & come off very early 2000s edgy.
>>30072 >>30073 I was referring to NEW reasons why the show was shit. Anon's description made me think she fucked up big time to top it off.
>>30078 Well there is an alleged suit being filed being a former employee, don't think it was a VA, posted stuff about the show on her tumblr or instagram.
>>30075 It's worth noting that most of the classification and hierarchy of Abrahamic angels and demons comes from theologians and philosophers in the Middle Ages. This is also when the winged human version of angels became popular.There's just not a lot of art or texts before then describing or showing angels as winged humans. The Bible, Tanakh, and Quran do reference various types of angel, but usually angels either look completely human or eldritch/monstrous in appearance in the main texts. Even the Lesser Key of Solomon, which the show gets Stolas from, was compiled in the 1600s from sources that were only a few centuries older at the most. The only Bible verses I can find that explicitly mentions winged humans are in Zechariah and Revelation and they don't seem to be describing angels. Zechariah 5:9-11 "9 Then lifted I up mine eyes, and looked, and, behold, there came out two women, and the wind was in their wings; for they had wings like the wings of a stork: and they lifted up the ephah between the earth and the heaven. 10 Then said I to the angel that talked with me, Whither do these bear the ephah? 11 And he said unto me, To build it an house in the land of Shinar: and it shall be established, and set there upon her own base." Revelation 12:12-17 "12 Therefore rejoice, ye heavens, and ye that dwell in them. Woe to the inhabiters of the earth and of the sea! for the devil is come down unto you, having great wrath, because he knoweth that he hath but a short time. 13 And when the dragon saw that he was cast unto the earth, he persecuted the woman which brought forth the man child. 14 And to the woman were given two wings of a great eagle, that she might fly into the wilderness, into her place, where she is nourished for a time, and times, and half a time, from the face of the serpent. 15 And the serpent cast out of his mouth water as a flood after the woman, that he might cause her to be carried away of the flood. 16 And the earth helped the woman, and the earth opened her mouth, and swallowed up the flood which the dragon cast out of his mouth. 17 And the dragon was wroth with the woman, and went to make war with the remnant of her seed, which keep the commandments of God, and have the testimony of Jesus Christ." >>30081 First I've heard of that. Link or screenshot? Either way I'm expecting this show isn't going to last more than a season or two. They've made some good movies, but A24 only has three TV shows so far that have made it past two seasons.
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3 years for 3 seconds of new footage!
I dont get what people see in this crap.
>>30095 Kind of sexy colorful character designs. Other than that, Tumblrina's love it. There was also some pilot ages ago that seemed really promising, but when the Tumblrina in chief started getting big bucks and making the actual show, she axed the fitting and talented amateur VAs that got her prospective show attention in favor of supporting the incestuous existing western VA industry that's much more politically in lockstep with her.
>>30075 >>30098 So wait, this seems like Archangels are on the lower tier, but guys like Michael, Gabriel, and Raphael are described as being pretty high in the hierarchy and are usually classified as archangels. >>30095 Gay spider make seggs joge :D
>>30169 Archangels are like elite soldiers while the Powers I think are akin to generals. Wendigoon on youtube has a whole video talking about it.
>>30169 >>30175 It's also because, humans, at most might interact with an archangel, for if a Seraphim were to descend, it would probably passively burn the people around with their holy aura. It's not because they want to, it's just a difference in power. My only question is, if Lucifer was an archangel, how did he expect to defeat God and the army of heaven, when he was a low ranked one, unless he was actually a Seraphim or a Throne?
>>30209 It's unknown what rank in the hierarchy Satan was. Lucifer itself is an adopted name from a mistranslation, Paradise Lost, & adoption from another ancient deity's name.
>>30095 They either have shit taste or are faggots here for the gay spider
>>30209 It's a bit complicated and obscure as to how the idea of fallen angels came about in Abrahamic religion mainly because the texts and stories that they originated from are not considered canon to most forms of Judaism, Christianity, and Islam while others are only fragments or lost. Another thing is that all these books predate Christianity which is why there's more references to it in the New Testament but few in the Old Testament. The Books of Enoch is the main sources known, but it's also described in apocryphal texts such as the Book of Giants and Book of Jubilee. The Flood and Noah's Ark are explained as being the result actions of Angels known as Grigori, also known as the Watchers. In the First Book of Enoch it's explained the Watchers were assigned by God to directly watch over and protect humanity, but eventually they started lusting after human women (leading to the Nephilim) and wanting to directly give humans aid rather than just observing and protecting them. These Watchers went on to teach humans forbidden knowledge and wisdom including magic, astrology, how to track the movements of the Moon, Sun, and stars, how to forge weapons, reading and writing, meteorology, and even cosmetics and mirrors (which was considered evil for corrupting women into vanity and manipulation of men). "Satanael" is mentioned as the Prince of the Grigori/Watchers in the Second Book of Enoch and is most likely the main source for later stories of Lucifer/Satan leading a rebellion against God. While not directly named as Satanael it's commonly interpreted that the another story in Second Book of Enoch describing that on the second day of creation there was an angel (or archangel depending on the version) that desired to place his throne higher than the clouds of the earth so that he could be equal to God which led to him and his followers being cast out is also referring to Satanael. The account of the Watchers in the Books of Enoch is also associated with Genesis 6:1-4 mentioning the "sons of God" taking human wives and creating Nephilim. The term "sons of God" apparently referring to angels also shows up in Book of Job directly referring to Satan as one of them. TLDR; The concept of fallen angels all seems to originate from earlier pre-Christianity stories about a class of angels known as Grigori/Watchers who rebelled against God and corrupted humans by teaching humanity things they weren't supposed to know. >>30211 Most modern translations of Isaiah 14:12 don't even use the term Lucifer either. The source of it seems to be the result of the entire passage using Venus (the brightest "star" known at the time, but still inferior to the Sun and Moon) as a metaphor condemning the unnamed King of Babylon. Lucifer is the Roman name for the planet and its personification while "Helel" in the original Hebrew is understood to be referring to Venus. Another thing is Earlier Sumerian and Babylonian myth associated Innana/Ishtar with the planet Venus and she was known for her arrogance and attempting to subvert and steal power from the other gods. It's also speculated that this was descended from earlier Canaanite myth of a lesser god called Helal/Helel who wanted to remove El as chief god. TLDR; Lucifer as the name of a fallen angel is a mistranslation and misunderstanding of the associated metaphor and myth it was originally referring to.
>>30216 >Another thing is that all these books predate Christianity which is why there's more references to it in the New Testament but few in the Old Testament. >Another thing is that they're old so they get referenced more in new stuff than old stuff Huh? Wouldn't being newer justify less references in older stuff? Yeah, you could still see newer references in newer stuff, but being older does not "explain" not being referenced in older stuff.
>>30231 This is like asking why most Eldritch/Cosmic Horror, Low and High Fantasy, Scifi, and Zombie fiction for the majority of the past century is heavily influenced by Lovecraft, Tolkien, Howard, Bradbury, Asimov, Heinlein and Romero. They in turn were influenced by things far older than them, true, but stories and myth are usually based on things that came before them and far more works are more likely to be derived from a singular or collection of fiction and myth that came before which in turn have more derivatives that all trace back to the same earlier sources. Everyone in recorded history, be it art, science or religion, stands on the shoulders of giants who came before them in some way.
>>30231 >>30237 Another thing to add is that there certainly were more old contemporary stories referencing these things than we know about currently. >>30216 mentions that a lot of stuff we know today can probably be traced back from works thousands of years ago that no longer exist, exist only in partial archeological fragments, or have drifted heavily over time from being repeatedly copied and retold over the millennia. Even some modern scifi and post apocalyptic fiction plays with this idea where fiction we know about now has been heavily warped and mutated over the years or people thinking that modern pop culture, architecture, and science are gods or religious objects resulting in people basing their actual religions on stuff like Super Mario or He-Man or unexploded nuclear weapons to the point of being laughably ridiculous to the modern audience. The thing to remember is that it's not like the modern world where information is easily transferred and stored due to mass printing and the internet. Historically earlier sources later things were based on did often become lost, drifted, or forgotten because copying things accurately was far harder due to a combination of most people in history being illiterate and the fact that most of history making a copy of something either involved memorizing an oral tradition or copying written material entirely by hand with materials that themselves were expensive and resource intensive to produce.
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tl;dr 'Biblically accurate angel' meme that was made and spread by normalfags is Biblically inaccurate. Not that it really matters if you're making a comic with angels in it and want them to look a certain way.
>>30239 This picture is idiotic to say the least, it says angels are not supposed to look like monstrous creatures but doesn't provide any single reference, which for the bible that would be pretty straight forward, just show passages where angels are described. >But muh it's not supposed to be literal It depends on your view in regard of the bible, if you are a fundamentalist then if the bible says that thing is a flaming wheel with eyes, then it's a flaming wheel with eyes, you are suppose to take it literally. A lot of people falls in between of taking literally and metaphorically so there isn't a a conclusive answer so just saying "it's not literal" is straight up stupid, the guy who made tha pic might be buthurted about a subject he doesn't know.
>>30249 Anon, do you know in Daniel chapter 2 it describes pic related? If you've ever stumbled on a religious program about the apocalypse you've probably heard of it. Do you think the statue is supposed to describe a real, literal statue? Of course not, it describes multiple kingdoms. >but the verse explicitly says so. Both visions which specifically mention what they represent and ones which don't have the same kind of surreal imagery. Take Peter's Vision in Acts 10:9-16 is solely about eating animals and has nothing to do with Cornelius? Sure, he says later on in verse 28 that God told him not to call anyone unclean, but the vision itself never mentions this and he's never explicitly told that's what in means, he just reaches that conclusion. >What would the visions of Seraphim and Cherubim be metaphors for Who knows? Maybe they are a vision about angels or some other beings, and the imagery is metaphorical for their abilities. My point is, characters in the bible are always wondering about the meaning of visions and dreams, it's a given that they aren't 'literal'. Even if you'd never heard of the bible, the idea of visions being metaphorical seems to be a common motif throughout the world. They're basically dreams after all, and in ancient times people thought their dreams were messages about something but they couldn't have been literal because they were disjointed nonsense. So even if it isn't absolutely definitive that those verses were intended to be metaphorical, there is still plenty of reason to suspect they were. Not 100% proof, but far from idiotic. Regardless, Seraphim, Cherubim, etc apparently weren't called 'angels' so even if the author did intend for them to 'literally' look like that, you still have to prove they were actually angels and not something else.
>>30249 >just show passages where angels are described I'll do it myself. I'm using a search tool in an online bible btw so if I miss anything blame BibleGateway, and the translation is New International Version. I'm starting with Seraphim, Cherubim, and the thrones because that would take less time. I'll have to put angels in a separate post. SERAPHIM >Isaiah 6 2 Above him were seraphim, each with six wings: With two wings they covered their faces, with two they covered their feet, and with two they were flying. <I've heard the word Seraphim literally means 'burning ones' and is used to refer to snakes because of their burning venom. I don't know if that's true but either way the word isn't used outside of Isaiah chapter 6, and the word angel appears nowhere in the same chapter. check yourself if you don't believe me. CHERUBIM >Genesis 3 24 After he drove the man out, he placed on the east side[a] of the Garden of Eden cherubim and a flaming sword flashing back and forth to guard the way to the tree of life. <No mention of the word angel much less being one >Exodus 25 20 The cherubim are to have their wings spread upward, overshadowing the cover with them. The cherubim are to face each other, looking toward the cover. <Wasn't sure if I should even list this one since it's a statue. Anyway, the depiction has wings but is not referred to as an angel.Once again, the word angel doesn't even appear in Exodus 25. >Ezekiel 10 5 The sound of the wings of the cherubim could be heard as far away as the outer court, like the voice of God Almighty[a] when he speaks >6 When the Lord commanded the man in linen, “Take fire from among the wheels, from among the cherubim,” the man went in and stood beside a wheel. 7 Then one of the cherubim reached out his hand to the fire that was among them. He took up some of it and put it into the hands of the man in linen, who took it and went out. 8 (Under the wings of the cherubim could be seen what looked like human hands.) 9 I looked, and I saw beside the cherubim four wheels, one beside each of the cherubim; the wheels sparkled like topaz. 10 As for their appearance, the four of them looked alike; each was like a wheel intersecting a wheel. 11 As they moved, they would go in any one of the four directions the cherubim faced; the wheels did not turn about[b] as the cherubim went. 12 Their entire bodies, including their backs, their hands and their wings, were completely full of eyes, as were their four wheels. 14 Each of the cherubim had four faces: One face was that of a cherub, the second the face of a human being, the third the face of a lion, and the fourth the face of an eagle. <Muh elderich eyeball wing wheels, yes, but no mention of them being angels or even the word angel. >Ezekiel 11 22 Then the cherubim, with the wheels beside them, spread their wings, and the glory of the God of Israel was above them. <Mentions they have wings, as we already know. Still no mention of being angels >Ezekiel 41 17 In the space above the outside of the entrance to the inner sanctuary and on the walls at regular intervals all around the inner and outer sanctuary 18 were carved cherubim and palm trees. Palm trees alternated with cherubim. Each cherub had two faces: 19 the face of a human being toward the palm tree on one side and the face of a lion toward the palm tree on the other. They were carved all around the whole temple. Another depiction, which is similar to Ezekiel's vision but not identical for some reason. Yet again the word angel doesn't even appear. WHEELS >Ezekiel 1 15 As I looked at the living creatures, I saw a wheel on the ground beside each creature with its four faces. 16 This was the appearance and structure of the wheels: They sparkled like topaz, and all four looked alike. Each appeared to be made like a wheel intersecting a wheel. 17 As they moved, they would go in any one of the four directions the creatures faced; the wheels did not change direction as the creatures went. 18 Their rims were high and awesome, and all four rims were full of eyes all around. 19 When the living creatures moved, the wheels beside them moved; and when the living creatures rose from the ground, the wheels also rose. 20 Wherever the spirit would go, they would go, and the wheels would rise along with them, because the spirit of the living creatures was in the wheels. 21 When the creatures moved, they also moved; when the creatures stood still, they also stood still; and when the creatures rose from the ground, the wheels rose along with them, because the spirit of the living creatures was in the wheels. 22 Spread out above the heads of the living creatures was what looked something like a vault, sparkling like crystal, and awesome. 23 Under the vault their wings were stretched out one toward the other, and each had two wings covering its body. 24 When the creatures moved, I heard the sound of their wings, like the roar of rushing waters, like the voice of the Almighty, like the tumult of an army. When they stood still, they lowered their wings. <The wheels were also mentioned in the same place as the Cherubs. They were a bit more difficult to search for, 'ophanim' didn't appear in the translation so I had to google it. And that's all she wrote regarding these things. As far as I have found, they were never referred to as angels anywhere. Though the term 'living creature' is used for, well, living creatures that have some association with the wheels.
ANGELS >Genesis 18: The Lord appeared to Abraham near the large trees of Mamre. Abraham was sitting at the entrance to his tent. It was the hottest time of the day. 2 Abraham looked up and saw three men standing nearby. So he quickly left the entrance to his tent to greet them. He bowed low to the ground. <Why am I mentioning this? I remembered a story where Abraham was visited by angels in the guise of men who told him his wife would get pregnant despite being old. But when searching for the word angel it didn't show up, turns out that was because they were called men. They accompanied 'The Lord' but maybe you could argue they were just men. Well, in this verse it says: 22 The men turned away and went toward Sodom, but Abraham remained standing before the Lord. <And then in chapter 19: The two angels arrived at Sodom in the evening, and Lot was sitting in the gateway of the city. When he saw them, he got up to meet them and bowed down with his face to the ground. 2 “My lords,” he said, “please turn aside to your servant’s house. You can wash your feet and spend the night and then go on your way early in the morning.” “No,” they answered, “we will spend the night in the square.” <They're referred to as angels here, and treated with reverence by Lot. This is also the chapter in which the Sodomites try to rape them, and get blinded for their troubles 9 “Get out of our way,” they replied. “This fellow came here as a foreigner, and now he wants to play the judge! We’ll treat you worse than them.” They kept bringing pressure on Lot and moved forward to break down the door. 10 But the men inside reached out and pulled Lot back into the house and shut the door. 11 Then they struck the men who were at the door of the house, young and old, with blindness so that they could not find the door. <They have the power to blind people, further evidence of them being supernatural beings and not just humans who are called angels. So the fact they were called men earlier suggests they looked like men. >Judges 13 6 Then the woman went to her husband and told him, “A man of God came to me. He looked like an angel of God, very awesome. I didn’t ask him where he came from, and he didn’t tell me his name. <Angels of God apparently look very awesome, but also like men >Luke 2 8 And there were shepherds living out in the fields nearby, keeping watch over their flocks at night. 9 An angel of the Lord appeared to them, and the glory of the Lord shone around them, and they were terrified. <The angels were shinning in this scene at least. >John 20 11 Now Mary stood outside the tomb crying. As she wept, she bent over to look into the tomb 12 and saw two angels in white, seated where Jesus’ body had been, one at the head and the other at the foot. <These angels wore white >Acts 6 15 All who were sitting in the Sanhedrin looked intently at Stephen, and they saw that his face was like the face of an angel. <Stephen looked like an angel. Somehow I doubt he had four heads covered with eyes >Acts 12 7 Suddenly an angel of the Lord appeared and a light shone in the cell. He struck Peter on the side and woke him up. “Quick, get up!” he said, and the chains fell off Peter’s wrists. <A light shone again when an angel was around >Hebrews 1 7 In speaking of the angels he says, “He makes his angels spirits, and his servants flames of fire.” <this is a quote of Psalms 104:4 in which the translator says messenger instead of angel, though the later means the former. I suppose spirits can mean wind as well in whatever autistic hebrew word it is. >Psalms 10 4 He makes winds his messengers,[a] flames of fire his servants. >Back to Hebrews 1 14 Are not all angels ministering spirits sent to serve those who will inherit salvation? <Technically not a description of their appearance, but I thought being 'spirits' was worth mentioning. Make of it what you will. >Hebrews 13 2 Do not forget to show hospitality to strangers, for by so doing some people have shown hospitality to angels without knowing it. <Not a description, but implies they can disguise themselves as humans if they aren't visually indistinguishable to begin with >Revelation 5 2 And I saw a mighty angel proclaiming in a loud voice, “Who is worthy to break the seals and open the scroll?” <The angel he saw was mighty >Revelation 10 1 Then I saw another mighty angel coming down from heaven. He was robed in a cloud, with a rainbow above his head; his face was like the sun, and his legs were like fiery pillars. 2 He was holding a little scroll, which lay open in his hand. He planted his right foot on the sea and his left foot on the land, <This guy is described in more detail
[Expand Post]5 Then the angel I had seen standing on the sea and on the land raised his right hand to heaven. <He has hands And that seems to be all the descriptions of them out of 290 mentions of the word angel, unless there are some descriptions of them which don't have the word 'angel' in or near them which could actually be the case as seen with the first example. But I've spent too much time on this as it is. There's lots of verses where they show up to some guy and talk to him, and you can infer what they looked like, but they don't describe their appearance in anyway, not even calling them 'men', just 'angels'. There are also plenty of 'fear not' verses, but they don't describe the angel either and I'm sure you already know about them. The main thing, is that the word angel means 'messenger'. I think anyone would naturally assume a messenger of someone to look like humans, because they can talk, unless specified otherwise. So since most of the time in the bible angels are mentioned without their appearance described, it seems like the authors were taking for granted that their audience would assume they looked like men. I don't think it would be a huge leap to say they were taking on a human appearance, if you want to write a story with angels in it. But just going by what I've found here, the meme doesn't hold water.
Doesn't "angel" just mean "messenger"?
>>30256 Well yeah, but God's messengers are often implied to be something other than humans. >1 Corinthians 4:9 >For it seems to me that God has put us apostles on display at the end of the procession, like those condemned to die in the arena. We have been made a spectacle to the whole universe, to angels as well as to human beings.
>>30251 >Anon, do you know in Daniel chapter 2 it describes pic related? I don't know and I don't care, I'm just pointing the lack of logic trying to "debunk" the "biblical accurate angels" from the picture from above. Now start talking about the fucking show, this autism isn't remotely fun or on topic.
>>30259 Well I just confirmed what that ‘idiotic’ picture said, or at least provided evidence in it’s favour. And it only took me four hours to do.
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>>2284 Behold! The only reason to watch hazbin hotel
>>34492 That's not even the most fuckable male character in the show. That titled goes to Moxxie & Collin.
>>34496 Why aren't you on cuckchan? No, seriously, you'd fit in there a lot. If you want to say "nigger", then don't worry. The Total Nigger Death meme came from current-year cuckchan.
>>34499 What the fuck are you on about?
>>30253 >As for their appearance, the four of them looked alike; each was like a wheel intersecting a wheel. the way I'm reading this, this is just trying to state a likeness, but they aren't literally being described as wholely wheels. >As they moved, they would go in any one of the four directions the cherubim faced; the wheels did not turn about[b] as the cherubim went. There are four cherubim here, and each of them does have a wheel to them, but I find it hard to define this as each being two wheels intersecting, eight wheels among them. They are all only one wheel, as defined by this next line >Their entire bodies, including their backs, their hands and their wings, were completely full of eyes, as were their four wheels. I take this as meaning they have bodies covered in eyes, but the fact that he's only describing the bits that are not alike to us, that being the wings, the four faces, the eyes, and the wheel, tells me that the cherubim must otherwise have normal bodies. >Each of the cherubim had four faces: One face was that of a cherub, the second the face of a human being, the third the face of a lion, and the fourth the face of an eagle. What is the difference between a cherub and a human being? Is it just a smaller, softer face? Is the human being distinct in any way? >Then the cherubim, with the wheels beside them, spread their wings, and the glory of the God of Israel was above them. I'm starting to think that the whole "eldrich horror wheel monster" idea was made up by some retard who read half of a line about these things and said "this would be spooky" >This was the appearance and structure of the wheels: They sparkled like topaz, and all four looked alike. Each appeared to be made like a wheel intersecting a wheel. the more I read this line, the more I'm seeing that the cherubim seem to have a wheel to them, and that wheel is just oddly shaped, but nothing about it is connected to them it's like a thing they carry, a trinket. >Their rims were high and awesome, and all four rims were full of eyes all around. I would almost argue the wheels are just like flying saucers that the cherubim float around in, but I have no clue how else to interpret how they're being described.
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>>34496 It's not about sex. I just can't get him out of my head. He kicks all of my buttons: androgynous, sharp teeth, thin, tall, beautiful refined grace emanating from him, just enough weird/exotic traits with inverted knees and the four arms, feminine hands, fluff, pure white, amazing hair. You know when you find a character so perfect you can't even fap to him, that's him. Merely touching him would be enough.
>>34542 Your fetishes are a little scary, anon. I understand but still.
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>>34543 He's the only one helping me through life. I even drew pictures of him...
>>34544 Well that is a pretty good drawing especially for a white board. Even if you are still kinda freaky.
>>34542 Lay off the furry porn retard.
>>34492 For every character like this in western media there is like 100 in anime
>>34551 Not specifically male though.
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Her demons have some kind of Devil Trigger?
>>34598 I dunno. She can't make a show.
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Whats your thoughts /co/?
Check the Catalog next time >>2284
>>36220 But whats your thoughts
Personally I really enjoy it, both Helluva boss and Hazbin hotel. My only worry is that it's gonna be ruined by shipping. Another issues is that they switched from episodic episodes to a story but forgot about it, there have been quite a lot of issues where they've ignored things that happened in previous episodes. But yeah, overall pretty fun.
Sex with the Goth Wolf
>>36253 Goth Wolf > Gay Spider.
>>36253 this
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>>36286 From Season 1, episode 4. There is also the fact that he refused to draw Hitler and nazis in hell, because he doesn't want to draw nazis, so you can headcannon this to mean, that the nazis are all in heaven, that the jews deserved it, and that Hitler, Napoleon and Hadrian are up there in the upper chambers of heaven planning for Armageddon.
>>36253 /thread
>>36237 I think you're a faggot.
>>36253 She canonically has syphilis. Because being pozzed is "liberal", and this show is hard left.
>>36296 >so you can headcannon this to mean, that the nazis are all in heaven, Likely canon >that the jews deserved it Absolutely not canon. You forget that in leftist works, even when Hell is a real place where generally bad people go, they still have to be anti-Christian, so Heaven and God are likely ultimately evil themselves. For instance, Beelzebub rules the circle of Lust and all he did to a couple of bottom of the food chain imps for fucking up his show with unlustful lovey-dovey shit was kick them out. Hell is full of assholes, but lots of people there aren't entirely "bad", which is a running theme of leftist works on disagreeing with Christianity about what constitutes evil, rampant degenerate sex being a point of strong disagreement. It's entirely plausible people like Hitler are in Heaven because God hates the Jews, but the writer can still disagree with that as being morally correct because they disagree with Christianity in general.
>>36429 Can wolves even get syphilis? Let alone goths.
>>36430 Really wonder If at one point demons/sinners can show remorse, Its something that just can't be ignored, even with a "there is nothing to regret and God is a tyrant" take
>>36296 The thing with jews is that when they die, it's over, there's no heaven or hell they'll just reincarnate as wheat if they were sinners.
>>36454 I thought they had a Greek style underworld, Sheol they called it?
>>36446 >Really wonder If at one point demons/sinners can show remorse I assume this will be part of the Hazbin Hotel plot, considering it's all about redemption in Hell. >>36454 Perhaps, but in the context of this show, there is a clear Heaven and Hell, so Jews would end up in one of these two places, unless they all go to Limbo. Or maybe it's operating by Boondocks logic, and there are different Heavens and Hells for the different races of Earth.
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>>36430 >It's entirely plausible people like Hitler are in Heaven because God hates the Jews, She's going to rip off pic related, and it's all because she's an Americanized spiclet who wants to get back at her Catholic parents.
>>36457 >Separate but mostly equal heavens. >God doesn't remember slavery, except for February. I want writing like this back.
>>36457 >>36458 So we're just gonna ignore the already existing thread then huh? Okay. If you actually went there, you'd know of Viv's alleged leaked plans. >>>/co/30067 As for things about Hitler, apparently in some twitter post she's said before that some people are "so evil" that instead of being banished to hell for eternity they just get dusted into non-existence. That's why there's no racism or nazis in hell. Which... somehow that seems like a more offensive idea than just having them there.
>>36466 >they don't suffer they just don't exist anymore Wow somehow th8s is actually worse. She knows that suffering for eternity is worse then just vanishing. Oh boy I sure do love modern liberals with racism is literally worse then satan
>>36466 >Nazis achieve Nirvana as a punishment Based.
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>>36468 The thing is that from what we have seen in the show, people don't actually suffer in hell, anymore than they do in modern Los Angeles. In fact it's probably safer there, than in LA. >>36469 As Krishna(Hitler) intended.
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>>36466 >>36469 >Nazis are Bodhisattva, individuals who have achieved enlightenment by going beyond racism and guide other racists along the path. I'm gonna make it and you will too.
>>36470 Ofcourse they don't. She never cared about it Inb4 >viziepop gets possesed and beats her head to a wall. >>36469 Heh
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>>36469 It was staring us right in the face this whole time.
>>36466 >So we're just gonna ignore the already existing thread then huh? I requested this thread be merged to it yesterday, so I'm going to keep using this one until it is, because it's where the activity is at.
>>36429 They don't want r34 of her, but I don't know what hard left thinks about r34
>>36515 >They don't want r34 of her Yes, they do. She's explicitly sexy as fanservice. They acknowledge by calling the audience sicko perverts. This would be an insult, if being a pervert was anything wrong in this world, but it's not as they regularly put their fetishes forward.
>>36517 They weren't against the concept of "beauty"?
>>36523 They flip and flop on that one, because most of them still innately know it's beauty that gets them horny. Which is why Loona needed something ugly to balance it out, therefore, syphilis.
>>36524 >They flip and flop on that one They have a limit for beauty?
>>36553 They are not one person. They only follow general stereotypes.
Tumblr won It's over...
>>36713 Anon, tumblr hates Vivzie more than we do.
>>36714 Who likes her shitty cartoon anyways? Bottom feeding dudebros desperately looking for something edgy but not so much because they don't want to bring unwanted bigots into their fandom?
>>36715 No. Children who don't know any better & normies trying to be edgy.
>>36714 wtf? I like Viz now?
>>36713 The show is more DeviantArt than Tumblr.
>>36756 DeviantArt is the prototype of tumblr, they still have the terminal online lewd autists with the cognitive of a 13 year old and some of them were born in the late 60's.
>>36774 >>36713 Im betting money she'll end up arrested or blacklisted for physically assaulting someone.
Just realized >A24 I knew they were faggots, but damn
>>36777 Im more worried if they honestly see this as a success and fund more furry trash.
>>36777 So what are they known for?
>>36777 >Just realized It’s been well known for over a year and a half, have you been living under a rock? How she was able to secure such shit given her rep is the real question
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>>36454 >The thing with jews is that when they die, it's over, there's no heaven or hell Guess again. They might not believe in Hell, but Hell believes in them.
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>>36296 >he refused to draw Hitler and nazis in hell, because he doesn't want to draw nazis, so you can headcannon this to mean, that the nazis are all in heaven, that the jews deserved it, and that Hitler, Napoleon and Hadrian are up there in the upper chambers of heaven planning for Armageddon. This ties in nicely with the Minions' canon, which is that they've worked for the most diabolical people on earth, but didn't work for Hitler.
>>36938 Read it in his voice, can't stop laughing now.
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>>2284 It is only 30 minutes of your time.
>>37348 Is that pic using the symbol of sparta?
4 years & one show that went off the rails already later! We finally have a trailer for the Hazbin Hotel show! And it looks worse than the pilot. Featuring pointless celebrity cameo voices, confirmed leaks as seen >>30067 & >>30069, excessive swearing as is Vivzie's forte, & another plot going completely off it's premise for excessive bloody violence. Oh Vivzie. You really didn't change at all.
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Also an alleged spoiler leak done by A24 themselves that confirms Vaggie is/was an angel like everyone predicted.
>>37628 This might seem minor to a few, but for me it's a major red flag when the Radio Demon, the one who thinks television is just a fad, would use a TV add to promote the Hotel. He would blast his voice on every non-existent radio in Hell to promote the Hotel, he would convert everyone's TVs into radios if necessary, but nope he just casually uses a TV add, and is now just a quirky 30s era evil white guy, instead of someone with an interesting gimmick. Also his new voice is much worse than the one from the pilot.
>>37631 You're right but also Alastor is supposed to be mulatto. Even though he obviously doesn't look it.
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>>37633 None of the denizens of hell look like humans, so I doubt you could tell if one was black or asian or whether they were male or female when they were still alive. The closest thing, would be their mannerism and stereotypes, like Millie's parents, who are stereotypical country-folk, I assume are supposed to be white.
>>37634 Well those are imps specifically born in hell. Alastor is a sinner damned to hell. The thing is nothing about Alastor screams he's half black. The 1930s radio host thing doesn't. He mentioned jambalaya at the end of the pilot but white Cajuns exist so that doesn't do much either. Maybe if he was actually associated with voodoo instead.
>>37628 >Open the vid <"Fuck, fuck, fuck, fuckity fucking fuck" And, nothing of value will be lost when this in inevitably canned.
>>37636 Americans from hippie baby boomers onwards, but especially Gen X and Millennials
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Supposedly a big leak. Funny if true. TLDR: >Lilith is actually Eve with a plan of revenge against Heaven & God for basically being blamed for sin >the real Lilith & Charlie's actual mother is actually Rosie >Alastor is a red herring villain & actually sent by Rosie to protect Charlie
>>38016 Oh & I forgot. The real villain is Roo. The Root of All Evil.
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>>38016 Vizie's an arguably even worse writer than the ones of Steven Universe considering the start it's clear they're not exactly sure where they want to focus their aim into. Vizie even gimped her writing for the helluva boss to appease the Twitter crowd if the pilot and even back in her tumblr days (Which had out there and crazy ideas even then like Angel Dust being a shapeshifting hermaphrodite that's "Genderfluid".) Getting rid of any nuance and dimensions to just being flat-out archetypes at best. She had plans and a good direction and decided to fuck it all up cause she couldn't leave her edgy adolescent phase behind.
>>38022 The scary part is I don't think she was ever committed to the plans the pilots set up to begin with. It seems like Vivzie is the kind of writer who wants to do too much too quickly without actually doing the basic premise well first.
>>38026 Devil's advocate, aren't pilots usually some form of proof of concept before the show starts? Shows usually alter visuals and sometimes the plot depending on how far they are in production. That being said she does have issues with wanting to be consistent and refusing to commit to them for other reasons. I can't imagine wanting to dump what you set out for after planning it for so long. Both of Vizie's shows suffer from troubled production in one way or another.
>>38034 >aren't pilots usually some form of proof of concept before the show starts? Depends on the show.
>>38034 You're right in both regards. Problem is Vivzie makes no effort to be consistent or deliver on what's promised. People supported both because of their premises being sold. Now both are going in completely other directions.
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Time for heresy.
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Another video showing the way too fast escalation of the plot. Also Brandon Rogers voices Katie Killjoy now. I mean he's funny sure it doesn't fit like the original voice.
>>38130 The heresy made sense for an interesting story plot up until the point where they establish that Lucy introducing humanity to sin "freed" humanity (That is unrionically and literally THE original Gnostic heresy that has exists for the past two millennia and plague Christianity since before the original disciples were even dead and burried) and that FUCKING MUSIC is a "sin" created by a disgraced angel (Vid related).
>>38132 Doesn’t that mean Lucy made birds too? Actually, I’m pretty sure the Bible means angels singing in heaven and it isn’t described as a bad thing at any point, which means this show makes even less sense.
>>38134 It's very clear the show isn't even trying to be biblically accurate. There's not even any mention of God.
>>38135 The problem so much isn't the lack of accuracy, it's that the show is trying to have it's cake and eat it too when it comes depicting Lucy and demons as being the reason why sin entered the world, but then trying to walk that back with declaring "Heaven is the REAL oppressors, so you should hate THEM. Not the demons and fallen angels who caused those problems." Other stories that play fast and loose with Biblican material tend to lack this problem because they still at least ground themselves in something believeable or reasonable. Material like Saint Oniisan is absolute heresy, but people don't mind that. Based on that clip alone, how I would have fixed things is the following: <Lilith is an angel, not Adam's wife (Seriously, why is that even there?) <Lucy and Lilith are banished to Hell, but trying to make up for their mistakes by "fixing" Hell's sinners <However, Heaven eventually begins purging Hell because some of the "reformed" demons take advantage of Lucy and Lilith's good intentions and start committing "Attacks of peace" <Heaven eventually gets tired after some severe attack and kills Lilith out of anger <Lucy becomes a recluse after losing his wife and seeing the demons do nothing except betray him THEN they can pick up with Charlie trying to continue the work of her parents. Even if you still wanted to keep the angels as the "bad guys", you can have it where the angel who killed Lilith (Because of the loss he suffered) is "damn sure" that Charlie is up to something and that she's "seeking" revenge. And eventually goes rogue and starts a war himself.
>>38136 See the thing with Saint Young Men is that it doesn't come from a place of malice but actual fascination with the material around Buddha & Jesus. Hazbin Hotel is just edgy comedy falsely advertised as a redemption for sinners show. Vivzie made it very clear very quickly how she actually is just rebelling against religious institutions out of spite. That's why Adam is a sexist misogynistic control freak while Lucifer is a free spirit. It's literally Vivzie coping because she's mad her parents made her get up early for church as a child.
>>38130 Wasn't the original premise of Hazbin Hotel a monster of the week for each sinner to be reformed? Why undercut the premise of sinners freely choosing to become better people through the inclusion of a fate plot, making everything predetermined? How creatively bankrupt is Vivzie to make Lucifer a generic underdog rather than take cues from pieces like Paradise Lost and the historical implications of Lucifer being the first angel and/or the Sun? Why make Lilith give Adam and Eve "free will" without giving a reason as to why she would want to do so considering her position relative to him and God? Why not explain what their plan was in giving Adam the free will Lilith is implied to have already had? >>38132 "Gnostic" is a catchall term in most cases. You can call heresies like Messalianism heresies. >>38136 I like your idea in general. >Seriously, why is that even there? Lilith is Adam's first wife in some Talmudic traditions and general Kabbalistic tradition. It comes from phrasing in Genesis that doesn't properly translate to English but leaves a vagueness about the date of the creation of Eve relative to Adam. Jews bickered about it, creating midrash after midrash to explain the first woman. Vivzie probably included it because feminists like to cling to Lilith as a mascot for female empowerment.
>>38137 >redemption for sinners show I think The Great Divorce was a more interesting story relating to this premise, even if it was chiefly a sermon.
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Somehow the show itself isn't the most embarrassing waste of money to come out of this. I don't know how old it really is but the original video was hidden a while back. Apparently he spent 50k on this.
>>38144 Why would anyone spend this much money for something this out of character let alone thinking it's a good idea to post this shit on youtube? I'd understand a porn site or a smut artist just to advertise your skills but this is oddly pathetic. Though funny enough because of the strong chemistry between Alister and Charlie most people including the fans forget that she's in a relationship with Vagie and assume that they're just platonic friends.
>>38144 >50k on officially animated softcore CharliexOC porn He paid them more than Vivzie has paid the animators for the entire series. How does he have so much money to spend on a softcore porn commission? How lucrative can a ripoff of Epic Rap Battles of History be to do something like this?
>>38148 Well supposedly he doesn't after splurging on that. People say he went bankrupt & the channel is struggling because of that.
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>>38144 The creator has also seen it.
>>38150 Lol good.
>>38149 There's a major drop off in viewership because of it. I wouldn't be surprised if the video spread in other circles and tanked his viewership. And the thing is he's been doing the rap battles since 2006, he's one of the OG. >>38148 He's a 5 million sub channel with multi million views on vids, up to 20. His lastest ones though don't even break 800k, he dropped off because of the Algorithm or some shit. https://nitter.net/thestartofluck/status/1745471756930830640
>>38157 Supposedly there are shitcord caps of him talking shit about trannies. If they are true he might get shoa'd soon.
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>>38156 Niggas can be a little goofy too. >>38157 >since 2006 Good lord. And to think the only thing he was widely known for before this was the Thanos beatboxing video.
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>>38148 >more than Vivzie has paid the animators for the *pilot entire series.
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>>38144 >50K >Not even hardcore Goddamn,being a paypig is something else.
>>38163 It's not a paypig situation. Man's just incredibly irresponsible with his money. I wouldn't doubt it if he got ripped off by the animator.
>>38164 >Man's just incredibly irresponsible with his money Well, he is a nigger
>>38144 >Black man chained to bed. Is is like a legacy racial psychological thing to want to be in chains? Does he wanna get buck broken?
>>38197 Ancestral memory but they wanna be enslaved by a matriarchy instead.
>>38164 >>38163 The pricing stinks to high heaven, I think he got a 2nd nsfw part done but kept to himself.
>>38203 Wasn't this animation leaked? That means that's what he spent his 50k on, unless the leaker is keeping the actual sex hidden to make niggalese look more pathetic
>>38204 From what I understand, it was published on his channel but he hid it for whatever reason. Then it was dug back up as recently as 4 months ago. Only this week was it put back into the public conscious. Probably because Hazbin Hotel is about to actually release.
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>>38205 You telling me this public humiliation might just be a PR stunt for the show at the cost of niggalese's suffering?
>>38211 No but it's funny how things work out.
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>>38144 Good news, everyone! A slightly higher quality version!
Grab it while you can, first two eps have been leaked. https://drive.google.com/drive/folders/1JG398I5e0dgUPFlYSGslUcclIOrXAwkj There was also a deleted twitter thread where the studio got bad reviews, a constant churing over of animators and hiring someone with a 'noncon' fetish. https://ghostarchive.org/archive/f8JAh
>>38221 This is how you know you've made it as a creator. When someone commissions a weird fetish video shipping your characters with their OC for thousands of dollars.
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>>38144 >>38221 Okay NOW we have the full HD version. Too big to post here but have a link: https://files.catbox.moe/7u7wcm.mp4
>>38146 It's a fanfiction based on a fanfiction-tier cartoon, there are no rules no matter what the salvatrucha dyke says, so her cute subtle lesbian relationship is thrown out of the window. >>38150 The protagonist is getting blacked, shouldn't she go apeshit because they managed to outprog the prog? >>38162 It still looks like ass, although he wasn't a CHEAP MOTHAFUCKAH he deserves a fork up his ass because of his utter shit taste.
>>38246 >first two eps have been leaked. Since it seems like no one else has bothered to take the plunge and see just how bad it is, I guess I'm the sucker who'll go through on that venture. And fuck you if you want me to watch the entire season like It did with Tomboy Lois. Episode 1, Into Hell We Go I didn't pick up on it the first time through, but this opening actually implies that Heaven has had regular dealings with trying to contain Evil and Lucy's actions are frowned upon because he may actually be helping Evil gain power in the world (Although, unintentionally): >>38130 So, the plot is it's own paradox. By the angel's restricting Lucy's actions and Lucy defying them, Evil managed to find humanity and corrupt them. However, had the angels NOT restricted Lucy's actions, Evil STILL would have corrupted humanity due to Lucy playing a dangerous game in the first place. Either way, Lucy doesn't win, Heaven doesn't win, and Evil always finds a way to corrupt humanity. This actually makes things MUCH worse for Lucy as it forces him to face the fact that his actions are the reason why humanity has been corrupted. It doesn't matter that he's only able to see humanities "cruel" side since being banished to Hell. The fact remains that his actions were always going to damn humanity. So, we're two minutes in, and the shows has, ironically, shown that HEAVEN DID NOTHING WRONG!!! How do you manage to fuck up this much two minutes in?!? >Also, just noticed that Lucy retains his wings meanwhile Lilith grew horns >Also, if the extermination happens every year, then how are these characters alive in the first place? Are there rules in place preventing Heaven from killing certain demons? Or do they only kill sinners and not demons? What the the rules for this? >Allistor's commercial is one big "F U" to Charlie and her dream >And, THIS is the guy who's suppose to be her godfather (Going by the leaks)? >I actually like Allistor >Angel is a fag acting like a fag >Animation is all over the place, "puppet-like" one moment and fluid the next >First song out of fucking nowhere, and on the note that Heaven just finished their last round of killings, including on the backgroup of a gory battlefield >Also, if Charlie is the daughter of Lucy, shouldn't she be something of a celeberty? Because everyone treats her like a random tourist. >Husk doesn't feel like he belongs in this show at all >Getting tired of all the swearing >How did Adam become an angel? >Why does Allistor keep transitioning between a radio voice and a regular voice without reason? <One mystery solved: demons get spared during the purge, only damned souls get wiped out >But, how does the audience (the people watching this) know the difference between the two? >Heaven wipes out all the sinners every year, yet the population keeps increasing? >Heaven doesn't give two shits about "redeeming" anything, they just see humanity as disposable despite being it's creators >One of the running gags for the meeting with heaven is that it was a "hologram", but they forgot about that during the musical number >Zero context leading up to this scene: >>38131 <Animated in Australia That was unironically worse than I thought it was going to be. Episode 2: Back 2 Hell >Episode jumps onto something completely different with a tech CEO in Hell hypnotyzing it's citizens and having a beef with Allistor >"Pissbaby" >Animation is better, but details are now inconsistent with background characters >"Fuck, fuck, fuck, fuckity fucking fuck" >Tech CEO is busy having to babysit a porno director who's losing his mind over Angel giving him the cold shoulder >Allistor "left" Hell...somehow >Wasted half the episode setting up the conflict >Is Angel a demon or a sinner? >This is a fucking kids cartoon, with childish solutions to complex problems, only it has swearing and gore and mature content >SOMEONE FUCKING SAVE ME, THEY'RE LITERALLY HAVING CHARACTERS REPEAT THE LINES FROM THOSE FUCKING "Don't do drugs" CAMPAIGNS FROM GRADE SCHOOL AS "THERAPY"!!! >Angel's feeling upset that no one cares about him as he's just a lump on the couch for how much he contributes >Angel immediately exposes that the snake is a plant for the Tech CEO and the guy chickens out without a second thought >Tech CEO tells the snake to an hero because he's such a failure in life >Charlie of course takes pitty on him and he's "redeemed" >Allistor "wins" by literally doing nothing What's even more insulting is that the serpent is basically Orangusnake from Mao Mao in regards to his character.
[Expand Post] Who's this show made for? Kids cannot watch it because of the swearing, gore, and sexual themes. Adults would have zero interest in this the moment "Don't do rugs" comes up. The depth of the musical numbers makes Veggietales look like Mozart by comparison. The animation is trash. And, that's just twp episodes in. How much worse does it get from there?
>>38269 You accidentally double posted your text but thanks for hate watching what even I don't wanna do. You ask who this show is for & the real answer is only Vivzie & other adultchildren into gay rape who think Seth Rogen is the height of comedy. Vivzie's pissed off nearly everyone who would be fans of this show. Even just recently with hiring an actual gay rape fetishist to storyboard. Which ties in with everything with Angel. You might've guessed she's the kind of person who wants to have her cake & eat it too. And I'm not talking about her weight. She both wants Angel to be a horny comedy relief/fanservice & a traumatized uwu softboi. Obviously there's a big problem with trying to have both.
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>>38269 Is Stamper still in it?
>>38203 He still could've saved a good chunk of his bank savings if he lurked more, I think even the original animators wouldn't mind ruin the franchise's image because they got fucked over like many delusional animators in the industry. Or have one final goodbye to the Cartoon Beatbox shit with a flourish and recap his best mouth noises while saving some dignity. >>38211 My main concern is that he's got children and irresponsibly blew his savings for their basic needs over his teenage wetdream.
>>38397 HE HAS KIDS?!
>>38397 Man, and I thought boomer parents buying bikes and useless shit while their kids starved was bad!
>>38283 No apparently. Atleast I think
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>>38430 Unwatchable
>>38439 He's an actual meth head, anon.
I like this song, pretty nice.
>>38441 It should be more swing & less electronic. That's what made his pilot song so good. This is too modern.
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>>38442 >>38441 Listening to the full song & the criticism still stands. It's like there's a blaring electronic backing when it would've been way better if it was purely instrumental backing with each of their respective choices. Then Mimsy comes in with blaring music for the joke. It's simple stuff. Also I don't think it needs to be said that this rivalry definitely comes out of nowhere too fast & sudden for this show.
>>38441 >>38443 This pales in comparison to artists like Parov Stelar and leans close to Spooky Scary Skeletons.
>>38450 It's not like electronic music with a radio voice can't work. They just sucked because they don't clash enough between Alastor & Lucifer's sections. Lucifer's voice also just doesn't work with his character's energy. They really should've gotten a Weird Al type. https://yewtu.be/watch?v=uxyM7vhU0uU
>>38441 This is what everyone's been twisting their panties over? This shit has the look and feel of a flash cartoon. I don't understand it.
>>38496 It's pretty much monty oum stanning all over again. Like wise with anything the GLITCH/SMG64 produces.
>>38505 Those sites aren't representative of the overall population, even of just that age group.
>>38507 You're replying to the twitter blackpill sperg, he only shows his face here because /v/ found his twatter account.
Having watched the entire first season, I have to agree the biggest flaw with this show is the pacing. It comes off as though they tried to cram far too much in just eight episodes. Even people who say they like the series have noted how bad the pacing is. First thing I noticed was the Exterminator Angel being killed and then the mystery being resolved by the third episode. The show would have done much better if it had more time to focus on individual characters. The first season probably would have worked better if The Vs were the main villain and then focused on the Heaven Extermination in season 2. The entire show feels badly rushed and trying to cram too much story into too little episodes and what little character development there is happens off screen offscreen apparently. Angel is the character with the most development which seems strange. Charlie is our main protagonist, but the show doesn't actually have much direct focus on her or her girlfriend. It's all just so badly rushed. It's even apparent in the pilot where a lot is crammed into one episode. It's bizarre the first episode states the extermination will happen in six months then by episode six it's already been five months? It's disappointing. There's some decent concepts and premise present, but it's just so badly implemented and rushed. The show also contradicts itself. The point of the Hotel is to reform sinners, but then we get told directly by the antagonist angels that it doesn't matter and it's a waste of time to try redeeming sinners... then at the end of episode 8 Sir Pentious is redeemed in Heaven with no explanation after being killed in Hell. Also the annual extermination is set up as a big threat... but we're shown that sufficiently powerful and armed demons/sinners can successfully fight back so why is the extermination a huge threat? One scene even explicitly notes that only less than 20% of the population died in the last extermination while sinners are constantly repopulating Hell. So powerful demons can fight back and less than a fifth of the population actually died... it just doesn't seem like as big a threat as it's made out to be. Lucifer just seems like a weird joke that isn't really elaborated much? He gave humans free will... but then the show doesn't really elaborate on it or the consequences. Shouldn't that have more focus why heaven didn't initially give humans free will and explaining Lucifer's failure better? A more minor thing is the voice actor changes. It's kind of jarring after having seen the pilot. >>38452 I agree. 20s-30s style radio distortion can work when mixed with electronic music. Most common examples are from Electro Swing. Caravan Palace is a notable example. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fBGSJ3sbivI[Embed] Overall though the show's songs kind of fall flat due to how swinging they are in quality. It feels like a most if not all of the songs were just shoved in because they had some sort of quota fill. The closest comparison I can think to make is Steven Universe. Steven Universe had plenty of writing and world building problems, but the songs themselves were mostly good and came off pretty organic since Gems are apparently naturally musical, plus Greg has a background in music which he taught Steven. Hazbin Hotel's songs don't have that organicness to them. They're just there and it doesn't help that major plot points are introduced through song, it undercuts some of the drama.
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>>38541 >Hazbin Hotel's songs don't have that organicness to them. They're just there and it doesn't help that major plot points are introduced through song, it undercuts some of the drama. Should the point of songs in musicals is that they're suppose to bridge/transition the "boring" parts, establish scenes/characters, and/or even depicting the conflict/drama taking place?
>>38546 Songs in musicals move the plot & express character's intense feelings. All that but the boring aspects of a play/musical are what they're there for. With Hazbin Hotel, they're definitely tacked on just to be there. Nothing wrong with taking cues from musicals but Vivzie definitely doesn't understand them. She doesn't understand even just normal dialogue either with the fact every character swears every other sentence.
>>38144 https://yewtu.be/watch?v=31C8HB-8Qqs What happens when their fans try to damage control. >It's not true <But that was actually true >>38283 Even UkinieJoe got shafted, bitch really wanted her shitty cartoon to be advertised through every medium possible, from tumblr to Newgrounds.
Dont care about nigger hotel but its all leaked on dailymotion.com just look in the search bar, hope that latinx fatso gets shanked in her shitsville in LA
>>38667 >leaked Anon the show came out in it's entire 8 episode first season already.
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>>2284 kinda dissapointed how little the show is imspired by inferno. A gag that king minos is watching the main characters would be funny.
>>40017 BIRD MILK! BIRD MILK!
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>>40018 BIRD MILK HAS BEEN DELIVERED
The show is tumblr. The writer is a homosuck fan and it shows in her humor, and others have already elaborated on why the plot is shit. The character designs, while competently drawn, are straight out of a tumblr blog with excessive garish color palettes and an excess of smug dream-works faces with pseudo-anime hairstyles & big shark-toothed grins. In short, its the kind of show that would have appealed to adolescent mall-goths from the early 2010s, or 35 year-olds who still have the mentality of them. >>40017 I doubt vizziepop has ever read it.
>>40019 Is that the tranny character?
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>>40042 No, she's just a regular whore, her husband is a raging homo though.
>>2284 maybe with this improvement.
>>40466 Apparently angel dust was supposed to end up with vaggie. I got this info from cuck/co/ so it might be a load of bullshit.
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>>40496 May or may not have been in the original drafts of Vivzie's concepts. Would've been a lot more interesting.
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>>38667 >Dumped in Dailymotion as expected Funny how her fans totally support the product by pirating and later flex it on anyone that their beloved highschool induced humor cartoon is the most popular shit on the planet. In reality they're unintentionally letting it to rot, because Jeff Beezos won't keep on funding her shitty cartoon due to low ratings or not having enough cattle to stream it.
>>40504 Her fans seem to project themselves onto her, or maybe view themselves as her extensions? Whatever the case, they get extremely ass-mad at criticism of vivizepop. Its been a while since I've seen this level of tumblr schizophrenia.
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>>40502 >that pic >lucifer being an absolute degenarate Makes sense
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>>40518 Should be the same with Octavia. But Vivzie's safe edgy & a pride cultist so we only get identity politics.
>>40502 It was one of many original concepts along with him being a shape-shifting hermaphrodite who was "genderfluid", and had an estranged relationship with his mafia family due to his lifestyle of drugs, sex, and crossdressing. https://invidious.fdn.fr/watch?v=bzww_9DNl40 The Show More section of the video has a tiny bit about this. Most of it was back in her tumblr blog. Here's a old animatic related to the subject. https://invidious.fdn.fr/watch?v=Ra56UWuJaq0
>>40519 It never stops being hilarious that these people constantly portray and associate trannies and fags with demons and Hell. Seriously, have you EVER seen these morons portraying Alphabet sexuality as anything "angelic" or "Heavenly"? I think the "closest" was Go Nagai depicting angels as futas in Devilman, but the actual "moral" of that story is how everyone is capable of committing great evil and ends with Lucy regretting his rebellion against God due how it only damned humanity even further.
>>40521 The whole reason they want to be trannies is to go against the norm. They think the concept of normalcy is constricting and therefore evil. They see good as also being a norm, and thus hate it.
>>2284 Both shows and the creator are utter garbage that I won't recommend to anyone but at least both shows spawn a good amount of effeminate men with big asses
>>40520 Yeah imagine giving Angel Dust an actual character with history & motivations. Not just being a whore because he's sad for reasons. >>40521 It's all a spiteful raging coping method by people who grew up mad at their conservative parents for making them go to church in the morning. That's what it comes down to. So the turn the opposite into an open & accepting pride parade mellow drama where everyone's sad. It's retarded. It's downright demonic with how they want to portray hell as an LGBT anarchist paradise where they can just shoot anyone they don't like.
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>>40519 >I will fuck anything I swear the pansexual flag has some resemblance with the pedophile pride flag it's no surprise anyone outside of the spectrum can confuse both.
>>40528 There's a lot of overlap.
>>40519 I guess I've missed her in that pic. >asexual flag WOW how brave. Absolutely the most useless sexuality. It's literally just "inceldom" but without hating women. Which isn't suprising because mtf trannies are more then less sexists dressed as women. >But Vivzie's safe edgy & a pride cultist so we only get identity politics. I mean her being a western fujo should say enough. >>40521 It's just safe edgy atheism and "I hate my parents"
>>40536 Trannies are volcels once they get their cocks chopped off. <without hating women There has some cases of progs being called out as misogynistic.
>>40540 >There has some cases of progs being called out as misogynistic. I mean can you be suprised? These people are the same people that get mad at black conservatives.
>>40496 >>40536 Well one good thing came from the show; The owl girl has tons of art with her banging/being with humans. Though this "fandom" if you wanna call it is a joke lmao. I watched the show until the end of whatever season, have no desire to ever see more. There seems to be no logical repercussions of Blitzo wholesale murdering humans. Most of the humans become sinners I bet, how wouldn't they find out who/what killed them prematurely? The shows retarded, the creator retarded & she took everyone for a roll making this garbage. Never let tumblr create kids, they'll always disappoint.
>>40543 >Highschooler humor cartoon <With bible stuff just to make it stand out It's like a tradition at this point and no one is ballsy enough to do a parody based on the Talmud or Torah, in fact I've seen a webcomic that it's the same sodomizing shit but with Panty & Stocking's artstyle: Something about devils duking out with angels, revealing that heaven is no different than hell.
>>40544 hah. You're right on calling it an immature piece of shit. That image made me lol, of course these fags are too scared to talk shit about muh jews or inbred sandhutters. Because moslem's kill faggots in their home country & kill degenerates in most cases. Know what would ACTUALLY make this bullshit interesting? A very powerful human mage or some kind of demonslayer/priest. You could show a human of power interacting with both these worlds (heaven & hell). Go from there. I bet it'd be more fun & you could have someone who's level headed, however I wouldn't want any current writer to touch this idea whatsoever. I hope both the faggots in Helluva Boss get killed, it's gonna go that route. Though I bet they'll have a hissy-fit & make it so love conquers all or some gay bullshit lmao
>>40545 Vivzie is simple too tumblr to be interesting or even edgy enough. It's all too sex pride faggotry obsessed with no grit to it's safe edgy humor. That's woman comedy for you.
Ugh. Is this what hell's going to be like when I get there?
>>40549 It's a literal burning place of eternal torment, the most optimistic say that it's no forever and you simply become "nothingness"
>>40549 >>40552 There's also the theory that the torment in hell comes from your own ever degenerating vices.
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>>2287 >BLM terrorism Says the anti-American terrorist who wants to force his religion down everyone's throats, kill anyone not of his skin color, oppress women & turn them into baby factories, repeal age of consent laws, etc. Maybe if the police weren't violent thugs, we could trust them too but it's not worth it. Why are rightoids so out of touch? Can they even BE in touch when they focus on a fake sky man? Trump had to stage shootings for sympathy. I bet you're also one of those pedos who likes to use the "I am not a pedo, I only jerk it to drawings of kids" defense, huh? No reasoning with the mentally ill jeezus freaks though, I gave up on you years ago. You'd rather die from COVID than let the left tell you to get a vaccine so fuck off & die. PS- I dox pedos, you are not people nor should your crimes remain hidden. The catholic church can't save you anymore.
>>40546 I have yet to hear conservative comedy. Screaming racist shit is not funny.
>>40544 I'm funding production of a pro-Satan game that's taking shots at Islam & Judaism along with Christianity, because all 3 of them are the same fascist mind control shit
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HH & HB are clearly "Christian rage bait" shows that rely solely on that to get notice, but the shows themselves are poor quality, low-effort & will be forgotten. I give money to DEI programs, a BLM charity named as my sole Fidelity beneficiary if I die, the Satan game will mostly target the right, Islamic terrorists, Israeli fanatics for pushing their godjesus shit as a way to be fascists. I do it because Gamergate was shit, MAGA is shit, you rightards wish to destroy America & build Nazi Germany 2.0, to have your fake sky man superstition down everyone's throats, make them attend church, make them think as you do. You scream "mental illness" at anyone you disagree with, scream "trolling" at any idea you disagree with, you hate free speech, you want your precious slavery back, you want samethink. And most of you are pedos. But holy shit I want some quality. Most of this anymore is just some whitey who has never met anyone else trying to be "inclusive" because they think diversity sells but know jack shit about the groups they want to include. Often some CEO wants diversity quotas filled for sales yet he'd never let a black guy near his daughter. Also lots of these supposed "woke" companies give millions to Republicans for tax cuts on the rich & for better copyright laws that favor them. So much of this shit is rushed out with no quality concerns. The right does it too, their cartoons are fucking terrible, they know their cult will consume it, so why should they bother? It's all cash-grab bullshit no one will remember in 5 years. You can't win no matter how underhanded you go. No matter how many fake shootings you stage. Because even if you forcibly cheat & win now, you'll be taken down. No god in the sky backs you. Just like I told those pedoMAGA psychopaths on /fur/, your god will never be real & your mental sicknesses will never be normalized. Therapy is beyond what it could do to save you from your delusions. Trump's Deranged Supporters would sooner burn this nation down than see a single gay person treated like a person. You want your civil war, you'll get one. Shame COVID wasn't more virulent, it was doing wonders on thinning you out.
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>>40650 Pretty poor bait, couldn't stay engaged for the whole post. So whatever you were talking about I hope it goes well for you.
>>40648 >Screaming racist shit is not funny. Yes it is.
>>40651 It's unironic aids being spread from /fur/ because they can't keep their schizos kenneled.
>>40647 Start with your reddit kind, internet tough guy. >Anti-American terrorist You mean the marxists who are biting the hamsa that fed them? Because that's the only way glowies target your ass: Calling out Israel. Jeff Beezos is more than an advocate and even invested on drones to nuke sandnogs, so the chubby spic better keep her mouth shut on her socials if she doesn't to get hanged Leo Frank style. >Catholic church Once again, you turn a blind eye for your agenda, look at Sodo-America (From Mexico to the bottom of the American continent) brown people worship both Karl Marx and Christ while praising pedophiles such as Drake Bell and they have negative IQ points due to jews and lefties playing an important role of making them retarded as possible.
>>40648 What do you progs got in exchange? Besides Tim & Eric humor that belongs to a preschool blog? >>40649 Satanists really deserve to get their shit kicked in, too bad atheists took the cake when it comes to punk religion.
>>2284 Episodes from season 2 have leaked as voiced storyboards. Here's supposedly episode 2. I have it downloaded already in case it goes down but the filesize is pretty big. https://hazbinhelluvageneral.com/s2/Leak%2028.mp4
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>>41965 I can at least show these from the episode leak. Expect more stuff shortly.
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Now here's some leaked reference sheets. These Alastor ones will be the most important.
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>>41968 And here's why. We're gonna get Alastor's confirmed backstory & the reveal that he's Rosie's slave. Likely that the leaks here >>38016 continue to be true. It would explain why Rosie has so much more power than Alastor & why he's actually working with Charlie as well as getting on her good side.
>>41969 >we’re Not even going to pirate this shit, much less given Bezos shekels.
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>>41968 >>41969 I now have higher quality refs!
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lol
>>41980 >multiple episodes of season 2 of Hazbin Hotel along with reference sheets are all getting leaked >takes the time to rant about the election & how "her rights" are now completely over What a woman moment. Why is the fat cow & others like her so concerned over "the right" to abortions? That seems like the only women's issues Trump even touched on being against. Even then it's down the state politics. Vivzie can't into religion or basic politics.
BTW new leaks soon likely And lute kills lucifer.
>>41983 Atleast from what I've heard
>>41983 >>41984 Leaker's being greedy about it though so we'll see. Lucifer, the fucking devil, being killed is pretty ridiculous though. I mean it was ridiculous in something like Hellboy in Hell too. It's one thing of like a war in heaven where angels fell to evil but there's no mention of them actually being killed in that fighting either. I just find the idea of souls being destroyed by anything other than God as cheap writing. This is Vivzie we're talking about though.
>>41981 >Why is the fat cow & others like her so concerned over "the right" to abortions? Because the "Patriarchy" is their Satan and it's through the ability to have an abortion that they are "saved". >>41985 >Lucifer, the fucking devil, being killed is pretty ridiculous though. It is and it isn't. There is some actual doctrinal contention over whether or not Lucifer is the devil or just the most prolific fallen angel and Satan being his own being. But we've also known through early leaks that real villain of the show is "The Root of All Evil".
>>41986 True. Complete insanity. Actual fatherless behavior. I mean in this show we can safely categorize them as the same being. And yes Roo is a thing but it's just as stupid of an idea. Making Lucifer out to be innocent & a prisoner of what Roo wrought. Funny enough though that'd mean the real villains are also female when you look at Lilith & Eve.
>>41987 >Funny enough though that'd mean the real villains are also female when you look at Lilith & Eve. See my posts here: >>38132 Here: >>38136 And here: >>38269
>>41988 Yes I remember these. I think we can just safely sum up this show's writing is a mess & doesn't know what it's trying to say. That's what happens when you try to mix "shades of grey" into the biblical text.
>>41986 >The root of all evil So they turned Satan into the Godhand from Berserk serving the “idea of evil”? Well, that explains why he’s a twink like Griffith/Femto.
>>41990 Not even that. It's that evil itself is a force that really corrupted humanity & Lucifer got the blame for it so he was banished to hell.
>>41991 >>41990 Satan and lucifer are two different people. Apparently
>>41992 >Satan and Lucifer are two different people Isn’t that more basic bitch Gnosticism that you could learn by playing the average SMT game?


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