Sym-Bionic Titan would probably thrive on HBOMax if it was made a decade later. Though given the current year-isms it'd be prey to, it's just as well that it didn't last long at all.

>>24756 >Moral Orel I remember, something about the creator getting too edgy and epiteful. Don't know what doomed the other two in the OP though.

>>24966 Titan was canned because the execs didn't think it could push toys. 12 Forever got too expensive and allegations with its creator.

>>24773 >Though given the current year-isms it'd be prey to, it's just as well that it didn't last long at all. We wouldn't have had the booty quake, that's for sure.

>>24976 They'd probably make Ilana a dyke too. Or shove in another half head shaven feminist stereotype.

>>24969 Its a giant robot fighting a monster of the week set in a high school. How the hell couldn't it push toys? You can practically sell the main transformation in 5 different sizes with accessories.

>>25053 They probably couldn't be assed to just make toys. They could've been cheap as the Ben 10 figures & still have sold if they bothered.

>lgbtqzx cartoon. >allegations against the creator

>>25084 Unless you're the Loud House then you get a spinoff and two movies with one of them being live action.

>>25254 Yeah, but the Loud House creator got ousted for his allegations. I don't think he gets a dime from it anymore.

>>25255 Depends how the contract is written.

idk bout cancelled but young justice season 4 is baaaaaaaaaaaaad

>>25260 It's the fucking monkey's paw all over again.

>>25260 Man the 4 straight fucking episodes educating us on Martian culture and racism turned that season into a dumpster fire right out of the gate.

>>25260 I dropped off since the original cancelation, what the fuck is going on?

>>25053 >>25067 The main issue is that its a monster of the week show with only 3 staple characters. Of those 3 characters 1 is a girl which means it will sell worse. Nobody buys toys of a monster that only shows up once. Ben 10 had 10 reoccurring main characters that they could make toys of. As for where-able toys the both shows have watches, and while ST has 2 watches, one of them is, you guessed it a girl toy which will sell worse. Fun Fact about toy sales. The Japanese dub of Transforms Beast Wars localized Air Razor as a man because Takara wanted better toy sales.

>>25306 Yeah they even made gay jokes in their japanese dub.

>>25306 >Nobody buys toys of a monster that only shows up once. Transformers has always sold toys of characters who never even actually end up in the cartoons or even the comics. Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles had toys of characters that only showed up on tv screens in the background of episodes. The toys can sell if the franchise is successful enough. Of course, kids today don't give a fuck about action figures the same way they did in the '80s, because ever since the late '80s all they've wanted is video games. But that is regardless of what show you're talking about. The concept of things being toyetic is outdated, since kids don't want toys nearly as much as they used to.

Incase you don't know, Netflix's stockprice tanked 30% over the past week after a bad subscriber report. This has lead them to basically kill off their first party animation department. https://archive.ph/aWi6W https://archive.ph/A0Qoh https://archive.ph/OQo8y 3rd party studios like Dragon Prince's creator should be okay, Netflix paid in advance to season 7 of this if I remember correctly.

>>25320 >3rd party studios like Dragon Prince's creator should be okay Unfortunate.

>>25320 They'll be fine if a portion of their funding isn't from Netflix.

>>25289 was original cancellation season 2? idk season 3 was alright but there was definitely a drop off in quality. Season 4 so far has been split into two parts and the first half is as >>25274 says just really long winded and not a lot happens and going into the last act of the second half of the fourth season it's just going to get essentially retconned as super boy isn't dead, big surprise Also, the animation budget is practically non existent. There's a lot of still shots that get held on, or pan around. Like a still group shot, and then they go to different close ups of that same still shot. Aqualad, now aquaman is gay as of season 3. With no sort of lead up or character development to justify it, just swims over and kisses a dude. Halo, who is a black muslim girl now, identifies as non binary. Rocket, of Icon fame has an autistic son. Just more inclusive shit but I honestly wouldn't mind if there was a gay character, but in the case of Aqualad he's been a main character for the entire series. They never once hint that he might be gay. In season 1 he's got some puppy love thing about a girl back in Atlantis but she dies in between season 1 and 2 and it supposedly has a big effect on him. Then, after a spontaneous conversation with a random girl he's just like oh hey I'm gay. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Hzlx-RLaLIY Also a good example of the still shots thing.

>>25318 back in the chunk of time where He-Man to TMNT were selling toys, clueless fucking parents bought them for children, and the model was directly marketing at kids. Monsters of the week or not even of any week could fly under the radar. Who buys toys now? Of the $36B dollars of toys millennials spent in 2021, 70% of it was actually them buying toys for themselves.

>>25318 One anon in the CN thread pointed out that the reason why kids today don't buy as much action figures is due to both the toy and media companies completely fucking it over, while using video games as a scapegoat.

>>25320 I hate that I had to slog through all the fucking episodes of that dumpster fire simply because I like to see human and non human romance shit.

>>25594 All I know is that toys are absurdly fucking expensive, and I can hardly imagine how difficult it is for a kid to convince a parent to shell out like $30 for a goddamn Transformer. And again, if I was a kid with any sense of money, or my parent simply gave me a choice of what I could spend my $30 on, I'd pick the video game, or even save it as half the price of a video game later. Even as a kid in the '90s, I liked a lot of toys, but everything I had had a much lower ratio of its price to a video game's price, because even 8 year old me could tell that it wasn't worth spending even $20 on a hunk of plastic when I could get a used video game instead. $15 maybe. Maybe. And even then it's a hard argument to convince my parents.

>>25603 I don't mind buying toys, but it seems like all the good items are Transformers (Which I already have enough of), with everything else starting at thrice the price I want to spend.

>>25604 >>25603 In retrospect, most toys as a kid sucked. Action figures had so little articulation even for big shows like He-man & TMNT that were full of crazy toy marketing. I feel bad for begging my parents for them now. Especially since I ended up losing most of them in the house.

>>25632 Most unarticulated toys had to be built like a tank and survive being thrown a wall by an 8 year old kid playing rough.

>>25687 That's a good point.

>>25603 the price is clearly a part of the reason why kids dont buy action figure as much but I think the parent mindset also change they dont want to spend money on toys like that my parent for example they only allow me to buy stuff like lego or model kit t. zoom zoom

>>24756 >>25255 >Rapist and pedophiles behind hyped cartoons Has anyone noticed such corporations would do something about it if they're being shoved in constantly? Because they won't lay a finger on closeted pedos or even keep them in touch as long there's no big commotion (ex: Brian Peck working for Nick) >>25289 I saw Kevin Smith being involved, avoid anything by him ever since he's gotten popular.

I'm honestly glad people are paying attention to Moral Orel over the past 5 years. Such an amazing piece of stop motion animation.

>>25740 Most companies look the other way as long as there's no immediate danger of negative effects. Nick worked with Dan Schneider for years and there was plenty of rumors and allegations of creepy shit he was doing. Disney is probably the worst though since every decade or so Miami-Dade sheriffs manage to catch a handful of Disney employees with CP or in sting operations trying to solicit sexual favors from kids.

>>26169 It's really good and doesn't try to preach, just makes everyone a victim of circumstance like IRL.

>>25255 Allegations which were bullshit but everyone is retarded

>>26190 Such is life in the USA

>>24756 >make cartoon to sell toys >release toys months before the show >toys don't sell because no one knows the characters >show finally comes out, toys are long gone from shelves

>>26338 >They launched the toys before the show That's retarded, why did they do that?

>>26343 Filmation and the toy company not giving a shit in a dead end situation?

>>26343 >That's retarded, why did they do that? Ask Kevin Smith

>>24969 >>25053 >>25306 >The main issue is that its a monster of the week show with only 3 staple characters The Netflix Voltron toyline was almost 100% just Voltron itself. The real issues were: 1. Mecha genre is pretty much dead; there isn't a lot of mecha anime and it isn't popular as in the past and definitely most people outside of Japan only care for Transformers 2. Original franchise so toy companies are less likely to jump on the bandwagon, especially when they don't even own said franchise 3. Not enough toy companies and it was the beginning of action figures/cartoons decline. >>25581 >Of the $36B dollars of toys millennials spent in 2021, 70% of it was actually them buying toys for themselves Souce? What about the overall sales of toys regardless of generation? I mean millennials are also less married and have children than previous generations. After all, it's impossible for big toy companies to just rely on adult collectors only. >>25727 >>25603 >All I know is that toys are absurdly fucking expensive, and I can hardly imagine how difficult it is for a kid to convince a parent to shell out like $30 And yet as I've said in the CN thread fashion dolls still sell well, because there is competition and hence there is also quality unlike with action figures. I guess you could also factor that video games can't really replace the physical experience of fashion dolls and that girls tend to be more materialistic than boys. >>25632 >most toys as a kid sucked. Action figures had so little articulation Were you really aware of that as a kid?! I mean there were few articulated toylines like G.I. Joe, Cops N' Crooks and Bravestarr, but there wasn't anything yet on the level of Spiderman Classics by Toybiz which was revolutionary. I actually got one as a kid and was mind-blown by the level of articulation, but I still liked my few 5 PoA figures. Only when I grow older I became an articulationfag. >>26343 >>26389 Actually, the show got canceled due to Filmation getting sold and eventually closed. In fact, Mattel wanted to continue the toyline despite the low sales. >Mattel was hit by weak sales of the the toy line.[2][3] A second toy line had been designed by Mattel, but was cancelled when Filmation shut down in 1989 and the second television series was cancelled. >>26343 If you think that's retarded, you should look at Jayce and the Wheeled Warriors situation in which the low toy sales were the reason for cancellation: >Mattel ordered an animated series to promote the product, but development on this did not start until after the toys had already been produced and sales of the toys had been disappointing. When the animated series premiered, it had a vastly different story line and, aside from the vehicles and their names, nothing linked the toys to the animated series so the show did little to boost sales. >Due to less than successful toy sales, the series' 65-episode run was not extended, and the series ended unresolved.

>>26422 Little bit as a kid. I just thought it was the norm though so I dealt with it. Still now an adult collector I know there's much more posable articulated action figures out there. Mostly from Japan.

>>25084 You will never please everyone. Representing flaggot characters into children's cartoons would just give you, like what? literally 15 seconds of fame? Only to be past news after the new progressive turd has been shit out.

>>25255 >>25254 They call it the loud house because lincolns sisters won't stop moaning.

>>24756 I heard John K's take on Yogi Bear was greatly despised by Joe Barbera and wanted to shitcan it in some way or another, not sure if Will Hannah was still around during that year.

I still don't know how Moral Orel was released, probably the jew executives thinking it would be a great way of deconstructing Christianity but damn, it's one of the best shows put on TV. Clone High was cancelled for depicting Ghandi as a party animal, some old farts who eat cow shit didn't like it and caused some uproar and MTV cancelled it.

>>24756 >Sym-Bionic Titan >low toy sales How does Cartoon Network fuck up a giant robot cartoon so badly? It's outstanding how absolutely they fumbled that show. >>40191 And then it got renewed out of the blue twenty years past its prime and forgotten about just as quickly.

>>40194 Even more quickly I feel Nothing but SJW garbage

>>40194 It came out in the cartoon network dead zone of 2008-2011, after CN Real fell through but before they got back on track with stuff like Regular Show and the Amazing World of Gumball. They were putting all their eggs in the Adventure Time basket and neglecting the action cartoons like Thundercats, Sym-Bionic Titan, and the few DC cartoons that were coming out (Like Batman: The Brave and the Bold)

>>40200 Which I guess worked out for them but was also a massive disappointment in retrospect because as far as I can remember those shows were great (whereas almost everything that came out after that period was complete garbage).

>>40201 It worked out because Adventure Time was massively shilled. The marketing campaign they had with that shit would have worked with any other show.

>>40200 >>40202 >It worked out Yes, by tumblr retards we know they lie themself.

>>40234 On a business level, it worked out for CN. Kinda. They're still milking Adventure Time despite the hatred for the show after the creator left & the remaining crew treated Finn like a punching bag. There's a new movie announced just recently.

>>40234 They even went awfully quiet when Bee and Puppycat conned their Kickstarter funds.

>>40235 >On a business level, it worked out for CN. Ok, show me the revenues? >>40236 What did you expect? Tumblrs take majority of the funds and let the cheapest animation studio to do the hardwork The Frederators are biggest obvious of tumblr's scams they just idea guys not animators they're not an animation studio every production they made was co-produced.

>>40245 >Ok, show me the revenues? Really nigga? The fact they keep making new shit with it shows it's a success. WB is very very trigger happy with cancelling anything that doesn't meet expectations. Unless you want to deny that TTGO makes money next.

Most 80s cartoon toy commercials weren't successful but it was common to order a 65-episode batch all at once & it took so long to get the toys out that by the time they had failed, the money was already long spent. In some cases they'd spent little, the show would blow up big(COPS especially) but by the time they'd pump in the cash for more episodes & more toys, the interest would fade in the 12 months it took to get all that stuff released. >>24966 CN/AS told him to go all out. He did. They changed their minds despite the content not being even that extreme & pulled the plug. Considering their treatment of Metalocalypse(openly shitting on it & fans, only relenting very recently for more & still treating it like it barely exists) & the rightards shouting WOKE at anything that doens't agree with them, I doubt Moral Orel will ever come back because it mostly made fun of the right & the religious fanatics.

>>40196 I'd love to hear why ever new cartoon is SJW but something like Jem is not. Actually no, I don't' give a shit about right-wingers or their deranged views. It'll probably be "it was made before we coined the term" or some stupid shit.

>>40246 Velma got 2 seasons despite low ratings Could be the loser writer guild got them at gunpoint If WB would be more specific in their financial results they mention a few times about low demands to other platforms. >>40250 Different time man, you forgot the ad revenue was very luxury in that time

>>40253 Velma got a contractual obligated second season. Most shows get that & if they're cheap enough to make while making just enough revenue from subscriptions then they'll get even more. Of course this is talking about streaming shows.

>>40253 >>40254 Actually, there's a couple things going on. First, for the overwhelming majority of these shows, they don't get a "second season". What people are actually getting is the second half of the originally planned first season. Previously, shows would get anywhere from 12-26 episodes because it fit right within the seasonal time frame on television. These shows (Velma, Tomboy Lois, TT Looniveristy, Hazbin Hotel, Invincible, etc.) have seasons that are 10 or less episodes. Even successful ones (Primal, Smiling Friends, Unicorn) follow this format. And we can see shows like SW: Bad Batch get the proper treatment of 16 episodes per season. So, no, Velma is not getting a second season, it's just the latter half of season one. Second, these shows are not getting subsequent seasons because they're successful. Ignoring the previous point and assuming that the show actually was getting a "proper" second season, all claims about the shows being a "success" go out the window the moment we see announcements of these series ALREADY GETTING another season anywhere from a week to a month before the show even airs. This happened with Velma. This happened with Tomboy Lois. And this happened with nuAnimaniacs. Meanwhile decent and acclaimed shows like Villainous are still in limbo three years later over whether or not the series is going to continue. So with this being the case, why do they keep releasing shows that no one likes nor watches? It's for the purposes of demoralization. If they convince people that they're "only ones" who don't like the show, then that keeps people isolated and afraid from speaking out.

>>40264 Correct as well. Now yes there's also the element of DEI Black Rock type funding to push a message thing keeping these shows continuously being made. Part malevolence but also part incompetence on these companies not knowing what the fuck they're doing.

>>40245 >Tumblr Has anyone kept track on how many failed Kickstarter cartoons or comics pushed by tumblrinas are out there hoping for the useful retards to fall for it? I remember the one with a park ranger and her bear cub, but there was another project going on trying to be more ambitious called "The Cloud Factory", whose premise is the most uninspired and generic fantasy typically coming from a tumblrina stereotype: >The only redeemable thing are the backgrounds <Half-assed character designs <Sneak peak is fucking nothing Really makes you think these people shit on foreign media or anything that doesn't fly on their socials because they don't follow their retarded standards, only to dish out putrid and bland products that are shared everywhere by activists.

>>40264 Sound like a new standard got anymore you can post or source? >>40292 >Has anyone kept track on how many failed Kickstarter cartoons or comics pushed by tumblrinas are out there hoping for the useful retards to fall for it? I don't think you can't track about to many failures.

>>40264 >If they convince people that they're "only ones" who don't like the show, then that keeps people isolated and afraid from speaking out. That might work if there weren't roundtables full of ranters and critics on youtube whose channels are 100% dedicated to making fun of these kind of shows. But as it stands I'm not sure why they bother to keep up the charade.

>>40310 >That might work if there weren't roundtables full of ranters and critics on youtube whose channels are 100% dedicated to making fun of these kind of shows. You would have a point IF those "roundtables full of ranters and critics on youtube whose channels are 100% dedicated to making fun of these kind of shows" didn't still contribute to the current industry and go so far as to even praise shows for not being "As" pozzed as other material coming out. Most recent examples are those people in these groups praising the live-action One Piece and Fallout shows.

>>40312 Isn’t that moving the goalposts? Are their no dissenting voices or “well, okay there are but it’s not real communism dissent because xyz reason.” There were people saying the Fallout show was shit, there were people saying One Piece was shit, it’s not that everyone is a shill, it’s just people having different (sometimes dogshit) tastes.

>>24756 You could throw in the new Ren & Stimpy reboot, basically the original crew got the boot and kept the retarded hipsters to shit all over the place, same mistake as NuAnimaniacs. Also Viacom stopped funding their cartoon slop for their shitacular streaming services even sending the new Fairly OddParents reboot to Nigflix, Pluto is all what they got but they won't marathon shows that had copyrighted music despite making a decent amount of millions.