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Avatar Anonymous 01/20/2023 (Fri) 21:41:01 No. 31664
Do you think they'll give us a spin off that doesn't suck? Next avatar is Earth so it should be good.
>>31664 No, why would a good thing happen anon? Just accept that everything is shit and laugh at the mayhem, that way if something actually good comes out you will be pleased.
>>31664 The only good thing to ever come after the original show are the E;R videos.
>>31666 And Anaxus' art.
I now declare this thread to be a Toph circle jerk thread, only the best rock cunny is allowed from now on. >>31664 >Do you think they'll give us a spin off that doesn't suck? LOL, LMAO even OP. No way twinkle fag, not in the CURRENT YEAR™ plus 8 that is. I'm re-watching this Western tranime to wash the taste of the Legend of Whora out of my mouth, yup it really was a genuinely good show.
>>31664 The problem with any spin offs of ATLA is that the original show already started with world ending stakes. They can't escalate any higher on that front, so your inevitably left with the direction Kora went, which was 1. Threat to bending in general 2. Spirit world problems But now those are conquered, so what do you escalate to now?
>>38480 A third Avatar series could be more existential about the place of benders in society as the non-bender population booms from the advancements of Korra's age and Republic City becomes the capital of the world's culture. While many criticize Korra for technologically advancing in a way that only fits the real world, it's impossible to go back on it. The theme to follow would be a scenario of these advancements continuing such as the replacement of benders by natural resources. The staff could retcon in a decline or complete halting of benders being born in Republic City late in Korra's life because of Korra's actions during the time of her series, and these same actions set up the destruction of distinct traditions and social norms across the globe through the creation of the new Air Nomads, Desna and Eska's reforms of the Northern Water Tribe and the Water Nation Civil War, Zuko's abdication and Izumi's reforms defanging of the Fire Nation, and the dissolution of the Earth Kingdom followed by the adoption of democracy in its former component states. The only trajectory for this world is the global adoption of Republic City's cultural norms and customs, erasing the world of the past outside of insular communities that would typically be exclusive to special benders like sandbenders and metalbenders. I think an Avatar born in this theoretical era could grapple with problems related to this such as groups wanting to restore the traditions of the world prior to Korra's era using him as a figurehead, the backlash of the Spirit World as the destruction of the planet causes havoc in it, the rebirth of the Dark Avatar caused by the chaos in the Spirit World and taking the form of a bender who exclusively uses special bending techniques in place of the Avatar's normal bending (Blood for Water, Metal for Earth, Combustion for Fire, and Flight for Air), and his place and the place of all future Avatars in society now that he has solved theses problems and has more influence as a celebrity than as a spiritual leader.
>>38497 Anon, stop and think for a moment. Look at every piece of Avatar related media that has been released since the show concluded in 2008. Do you honestly think the people writing and developing this shit are capable of making something good based on their track record thus far?
>>38499 I know it's impossible for the creators to make something good with the series, but I wanted to answer the question of how the franchise could escalate if it were to have another installment.
Despite LoK's flaws, I still really would like to see a third series with the Earth Bender Avatar after Korra. The timeline and technological development suggests that the next Avatar would be in a world either with technological development similar to our own or a near future scifi style setting. It would be interesting to have an Avatar series with a more cyberpunk or urban fantasy focus. It would be interesting to have technology further close the gap between benders and non-benders and how that affects society. i don't fault LoK for exploring technological advancement and how that interacts with a world of spirits and elelemental magic as it sounds interesting to explore that. Also... noting Toph in a cyberpunk style setting probably wouldn't be blind. Her parents are rich nobles so in a setting like that she would have likely had her eyes replaced cybernetics at a young age.
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Just a general reminder that Nickeloden set up Avatar Studios that are giving us 3 movies and supposedly a new earth Avatar series. I haven't kept up with the new on the series. >>38499 >>38497 >>38480 You essentially have such a monumental challenge. 1. Cleaning up the mess that Bryke did to Avatar incarnations when he wrote out the Ehasz lore. 2. Needing to move the world forward and give a place to benders in a world that now has circa 1920s appliances. 3. Needing to do all this without inserting modern day culture war BS. Okay, for No.1. Say that Raava is the incarnation of the current Avatar Spirit but keep the physical Avatar shell attuned to the world. The avatar works in balance with with spirit and shell to affect the world around them. The goal of the next Earth avatar would be to try and re-establish their connection to the physical world in a metaphysical way. He only has Korra for a spirit guide (as much help as she is) but revisiting places like Kyoshi Island, Republic City and the Fire Nation palace. He begins to forms connections with his past lives. By doing so he links them and strengthens his connection to his past and so does he regain the cycle, Korra broke, he fixes. It's a spiritual quest, essentially. No.2 I think you can solve from an ecological angle. Humans learned bending from the Lion Turtles right? Well, what happens when humans don't need it anymore? The spiritual energy of a place, the leylines disappear and that's how you get the dark Spirtual World. The spirit world around republic city was vibrant because people were still using bending to fuel the city, if that's no longer needed, it then becomes corrupted. Remember what happened with Heibai and his chopped forest? Humans not respecting the spiritual energy of a place leads it to becoming corrupted. The Avatar would have to deal with eco-terrorists that destroy modern technology to preserve spiritual balance and progressive industrialists that are starting to introduce 1940s tech. The big over arching thing would be the return of Sozin's Comet again. The world is out of balance due to technological places like Republic City and Zaofu draining spiritual energy from places. The earth itself use to use Energy to repel the Comet each year but it doesn't have enough in the area where the Comet will pass over, this causes essentially a doomsday scenario where it will crash into the earth and only the Avatar can try to stop it. No.3 is probably going to be the hardest. Even if you unfuck the lore into something coherent, even Aaron Ehaez himself has become tainted during the later seasons of Dragon Prince. Bryke obviously went back over their old work and made Kyoshi bi, for instance.
>>38543 The Suki badge is a nice touch.
>>38549 >>38503 >but I wanted to answer the question of how the franchise could escalate if it were to have another installment. One idea I was having was where the regular people grow to hate benders for being the "cause" behind all the issues the world has faced for the past few hundreds years, with some extremists even hunting the Avatar down after all the shit Korra pulled, which results in the protagonist being the Earth-bending Avatar actually hiding his true identity and covertly searching out his various teachers. I also head-cannoned that he's also a master swordsman, and accompanying him is a ditzy female Water-bender from the swamps. Also, I had the idea of them writing off the entire Lok series as "Fake history propaganda" that was made for the sole purpose of depicting Korra (And the Avatar by extension) in the worst light possible (She was still the "worst" Avatar, but the show just take everything she did wrong and amplified it big time). This would also play into how people are angry with benders, and could also explain away the "Beginnings" episode and Avatar Wan as a pure in-universe fictional story that was only made for the purposes of causing a rift between benders and non-benders.
>>38543 Agreeing on the Avatar after Korra would be nice having more of a focus on scifi/cyberpunk assuming Korra dies of old age in what would be the technological equivalent of the 80s-00s. It would continue the theme from LoK of technology and civilization conflicting with spirits and nature. I really think The Avatar, by maintaining "balance", has been stagnating human civilization and technology. It's telling that major technological advancement only happened when Aang was in the iceberg and later died of old age earlier than other Avatars from being frozen. Before that the setting seems to have been stuck in medieval stasis common to a lot of fantasy settings. Also, more from the artist for the third picture of Katara and Sokka with a higher res version of that.
>>38543 >>38553 These future ideas are terrible. You gotta remember Avatar was supposed to be a showcase of martial arts through bending. Cybernetics & guns would make that a lot less interesting.
>>38554 Personally I hate settings that never technologically progress without a good explanation for why technical advancement stays the same over such a long time period. It's annoying that there are so many fantasy settings with worlds that never progress technologically despite thousands of years passing. It's okay when there's at least some implication for that sort of stagnation. AtLA)LoK implies the Avatar is causing it LoK progressing the world and how that affects things is one of the main aspects I like. Even some of the RPG sourcebooks indicate guns are a thing even if rare. Why wouldn't technology for a non-bender majority to compete with benders and exploiting elemental bending (such as lightning bending used for electricity generation in LoK) be a thing?
>>38555 First off, everyone hates the hard tech advancement so suddenly in the Avatar comics & especially in LoK. Doing that even worse in a stupid idea. Second, LoK proved that trying to continue the series is a horrible idea. Third, you'd just be repeating the equalists vs benders thing again in a world where technology can overcome or copy bender abilities. A retread isn't what you wanna do in a sequel.
>>38556 Really? Most of the criticism of LoK doesn't focus on the tech advancement. It's not even unbelievable considering how fast real world humans went from Industrial Revolution to the Atomic and Digital Ages. Our world has progressed more technologically in the past two centuries than it did the thousand years prior. I don't get why various fantasy settings can't do that without good explanation.
>>38557 >It's not even unbelievable considering how fast real world humans went from Industrial Revolution to the Atomic and Digital Ages Steam engines took 300 years to develop before being at their most useful, then gas and electricity took over a century of experimentation afterwards. Even then, that's ignoring the reasons why those technologies took off (The age of exploration). However, the Avatar world is completely different as they don't have resources like crude oil and gun powder (AFAIK), nor went through periods of exploration and conquest (Beyond one of the four kingdoms getting uppity every few centuries). Hell, while the Fire Nation was bumbling around in steam power air-ships and tanks, they still hadn't developed inventions like the printing press and sewing machines.
>>38549 I hope they won't fuck it up. I really hope they make it sort of like you've presented. I'd love for it to take a more of deep divide between spirituality, technological advancement and rapid cultural changes. They really likely won't. But what can you do, modern writers are really bad at their jobs. >>38559 >>38556 >>38554 They are going to go deeper into the technological progress likely 80s because everyone has a boner for them or 90s. While I do agree that the tech jump is stupid. It's the way they went and unless they are gonna retcon Korra out. I'd love for a ted katzinsky type character in the show as a one of the long running bad guys.
>>38559 >>38556 >>38560 The tech jump seems kind of a logical progression though. The Fire Nation has steel ships, tanks (powered with fire bending) and steam engines in AtLA which makes sense since war tends to breed technological progress. We see this with The Mechanist too. That resulting in later tech makes sense for LoK. I don't really get why people have an issue with LoK having 20s-30s tech. That seems the least of the problems with LoK.
>>38561 >That seems the least of the problems with LoK. Not going to disagree with that honestly. There are tons of problems with the show. I also wished on the tech scale, that republic city wasn't a 1 to 1 1920s new york. Like have some technology that doesn't try to be just irl 1920s technology. Also on the political scale post-earth empire democratic regime should be a federation since it's confirmed multiple times that it isn't a united unitary state. But this one is a true nitpick
>>38561 >I don't really get why people have an issue with LoK having 20s-30s tech Anon, in the debut issue of National Geographic, published all the way back in October of 1888, one of the debut articles in the magazine was declaring how much of a marvel it was the technology had progressed to the point that you had scientists tracking, documenting, and relying information to one another hundreds of miles apart in real time while a storm developed, travelled along the coast, and then dissipated out to sea. That phenomenon didn't happen with the usage of telephones nor radios, as both were still highly experimental at the time and didn't become "standards" for another 20 years. That was accomplished through the fucking telegraph! Does that help explain how much 1930's NYC completely breaks the story and world of LoK, not to mention of ridiculous things such as "Advanced techniques" (Like lightning, blood, and metal bending) being so common place that fucking children (Not prodigies, regular boring-ass kids) can master them, and the spirit world now effectively being an unlimited source of Uranium (Which actually setups up "Series Tres" to be closer to X-Men First Class or Watchmen because of the possibility of nuclear war hanging over everyone's heads). LoK opened up so many plot holes that the people writing for the Earthbending Avatar series (Assuming they're not retards, which is unlikely) have their work cut out for them if they want to 'tard-wrangle this mess.
Oh no... ""WHY?"" What other wordly beings have we offended to deserve this? https://archive.ph/M8bHg Avatar: The Last Airbender Trailer: Can Aang Save the World? "" Watch Aang in action — and find out everything you need to know about the live-action series.""
>>38577 Oh way... That's how I bold text...
>>38577 Slowpoke.
>>38564 >lightning bending being common ​I actually liked that part and wished they could have explored it more. The way I imagine it, and this is me doing the work of the authors, is that up until Aang, lightning bending was a secret technique reserved for the royal family. Information was limited, and there was only one way of doing it, the traditional way. When Zuko became Fire Lord, either as a fuck you to his sister, or because he saw value in spreading information, he made the technique's learning process public knowledge. Some peasant looked at it and said "Fuck this shit, I am not doing all that" so he developed his own lightning bending that was a shitty version of the original, but anyone could learn it. So he made a dojo, taught everyone, including kids, some died because it was a shitty and dangerous, until someone came and said "Holy shit, this is fucking insane! You should do this instead", so he makes a new way of doing lightning bending that is safer and a bit more powerful. So by the time of Korra, you had like 7 different schools of lightning bending all with their pros and cons, there are conferences, books written, and so on. It could have been a plot point, that in season 1, Mako only knew the shittiest version, but by season 4 after traveling with Korra for so long, and seeing all the other lightning masters, he develops his new style that is actually better than the traditional one. The idea would be to show how the spread of information, helped revolutionize techniques and empower the people. Of course this is not what we got, instead we got them uaing lightning to power generators.
>>38589 Anon, there are few problems with that idea. The first is that you're assuming that Zuko mastered lightning bending. Granted, he did become a more powerful firebender after visiting the dragons and learning the true meaning of the art, but that doesn't necessarily mean that he every actually managed to pull it off lightning bending. Even during the follow-up comics and LoK, he's never shown actually doing it, so we can only assume that he never mastered the art despite all his knowledge and skills. Which brings us to the second problem. Lightning bending is an advanced technique of firebending. Meaning that you cannot understand lighting bending without already being some level of a master in firebending. That's on top of the fact that lightning bending is such a difficult technique that even someone who's an absolute master of it still cannot use it (Referring to Zuko here). So this creates the problem of how it is possible for lightning bending, a technique that's so difficult that the Fire Lord's own son (Who's armed with the knowledge of the martial art's origin and history, and mentored by the most powerful firebenders on the planet) cannot do it, become so widespread that it's considered low-paying blue collar labor? This brings us to the third problem which is, how is it possible for advanced techniques of bending to be shortcut, yet we don't see the same happen with regular bending? If benders learned ways to shortcut lightning, metal, and blood bending, then it follows to reason that they also found ways to shortcut earth, fire, water, and air bending. Yet we don't see this happening. And this is actually the biggest problem with this theory as it would have been a neat idea for a plot point. Where the bending arts have been so degraded over the past century of industrialization that all we see are facsimiles or imitions or traditional schools of bending. Or even bending schools strictly created for the sole purposes of training people to compete in Pro-Bending tournaments (A plot point that never becomes relevant again after the first season, except in the video game), but have almost zero practicality outside of those tournaments. Then along comes Korra, who's been trained by masters of the old schools and wipes the floor with everyone as she knows the proper forms and methods (After being trained all those years by the White Lotus). Like I said, would have been a neat idea had they actually done it, and went all the way with it. However they (The writers) never actually confirm, nor deny, that this is the case, so it doesn't matter how good of an idea it is because it's just speculating over nothing except the writers' poor ability to tell a story.
>>38591 Spot on.
>>38591 I never assumed Zuko knew how to lightning bend, only that he mass-printed the instruction book on how to lightning bend, and that some genius peasant, looked at it, didn't care about "muh tradition" and just found a quick and dirty way to do lightning bending. In my theory, lightning bending is such a hard to learn technique because they used the most inefficient way to teach someone how to do it. If there was ever a noble who tried to deviate from the steps he would get scolded for it, for fooling around, and that he needs to do it "the proper way". In this theoretical Korra setting, I would focus on two things, how access to information made previously hard to master techniques easy to do, and that by having all the benders be in the same city, they made so many shortcuts that everything is now kickboxing. Everyone just fire/water/earth/metal/lightning punches, no more flailing around like a retard, everyone is using the least amount of movements. It looks boring and shitty, but it does it's job and even more people can bend now. Fuck the moon, fuck the dragons, they didn't know shit and humanity was held back by copying them. It would kinda be like how today we have MMA fighters beating so called grandmasters in Traditional Martial Arts, or like that one average MMA fighter in China beating all the Thai Chi masters. Imitating a praying mantis, or a tiger or a monkey would simply get you punched in the face by a boxer. Yeah, an Avatar can beat them, but that's just because he can use paper against someone who can only use rock. In this environment, you would get a conflict between traditionalists and new benders. What does it mean to be an earth bender (from a cultural perspective) if you use the same techniques (punching) as a water bender? How would an Avatar who was only taught traditional bending react in a world of kickboxers? Korra kind of alluded to that in Season 1, but never really did anything with the idea.
>>38597 >It would kinda be like how today we have MMA fighters beating so called grandmasters in Traditional Martial Arts, or like that one average MMA fighter in China beating all the Thai Chi masters. Imitating a praying mantis, or a tiger or a monkey would simply get you punched in the face by a boxer. Anon, that's a really bad example when 'anything related to Chinese culture and traditions has either been destroyed, diluted, or subverted by the CCP for the past 80 years. And the only surviving remnants of it is in Taiwan and Singapore. Hell, even the Japanese have done a better job preserving traditional Chinese beliefs and customs. However I guess that can also play into how you have these "new school" masters trying to brainwash the masses that dragons, badger-moles, and the moon are "Keeping them down" when those traditions exist for a reason.
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One thing has bothered me from the start: how come Zuko's face was burned so badly that it it permanently scarred, yet his eye seems to be functioning just fine? You would think heat this strong to scar the skin would also boil the eyeball.
>>38599 You can find images of plenty of facial burn victims with severe scarring, but their eyes are still intact. Eyes are mostly water, more so than skin, so they won't burn as easily and humans usually reflexively close their eyes and shield with their hands if they see an object (or blast of fire in this case) heading towards their face at high speed which helps mitigate injury. Also worth noting both AtLA and LoK are full of bending not causing severe injury despite the way it's used. Throwing around water, rocks, and air blasts as shown throughout the show should be potentially causing heavy bruises and broken bones at least. Fire bending should have the danger of severely burning someone when fighting and anyone taking a fire blast to the face while inhaling is possibly going to have some lung damage. They at least acknowledge that fire bending is dangerous when Aang accidentally burns Katara when first using it and lightningbending can stop someone's heart. It can probably be handwaved that it's possible to effectively "pull punches" with bending so as not to cause too much injury. Notably there a some fanfics out there where Zuko's injuries from the Agni Ki leave him permanently partially or completely blind. Some even have him learning to use Firebending to see with what is basically heat vision to compensate similar to how Toph uses Earthbending to see through the ground.
Lift ""NOW!"" You have food, water, and a solid floor therefore you've got ""NO"" excuse not to exercise. In an ideal world were all the hack writers are fired and the original talented writers are somehow convinced to come back I'd like a slice of life series about Iroh just doing Iroh things in his tea shop honestly, that would be pretty comfy. That or Toph's journey to becoming a professional fighter before meeting Ange. Yeah let's keep thinking about nice things we want from this series that we're never getting in this god forsaken earth.
>>38649 I fucked up bold texting again... Doesn't help that I post on multiple image boards/sites/'chans' in all fairness so please don't bully me....
>>38649 Honestly I was always a bit perplexed Iroh could get that jacked in prison. We only see him being given prison rations of bread and white rice That's not really good a good diet for getting fit and building muscle. My best guess is Iroh was already pretty muscular for his age and most of the exercise in prison was losing excess weight. Still seems like he would actually be losing muscle eating nothing but white rice and bread.
>>38652 >Honestly I was always a bit perplexed Iroh could get that jacked in prison.
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>https://discussingfilm.net/2024/02/22/avatar-the-last-airbender-review-netflixs-adaptation-is-like-the-ember-island-players-but-worse/ Got this review linked to me by a friend and if it's right, it looks like the Netflix Avatar is basically what everyone expected. Not that surprising, but interesting enough, I guess.
>>38605 Maybe benders have some resistance to injury from elemental damage as long as they've got their ki raised. That's a pretty common martial arts trope anyway. >>38751 >Rule 63 Toph Oh no this is going to aggravate my chronic shotacon condition something fierce.
>>38752 You silly boy molesting fruit. There should be more.
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>>38753 I have a bit more, but nothing else with male Toph, sorry.
>>38754 Truly this is a sick world.
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>>38776 There are so many things wrong with this. Exposition dumps, lore rapes and outright adding things. Bryke wrote eps 1 and 6 before leaving the project. Okay, eps 1 goes about as well as you think it does. Ep 2 is Kyoshi Warriors, except Aang channels Kyoshi to fend of Zhao and Zuko. Ep 3 and 4 is a two part in Omashu, combing jet and The Mechanist and Teo. It's just a jumble. The Omashu lore is sapphic now because Netflix. Eps 5 and 6 deal with the Spirit World and are the most egregious. Wan-Shi shows up for no reason and Yue is a fox spirit now? Then Roku talks about The Mother of Faces, something shitty from the Korra comics that saved Ursa. Eps 7 and 8 are the siege in the north, except the Northern Water Tribe city is called Agna Qel'a, from the Kyoshi comics. The best review I found was of this: https://archive.is/qXPFI >"...At best, the show serves as a constant reminder of how amazing the original Nickelodeon cartoon was. At worst, it makes M. Night Shyamalan‘s 2010 The Last Airbender film feel like a mercy because at least that poor effort was only 2 hours long." Gyatso's actor is pretty good, Iroh takes a bit to get use to but I was slowly coming around. Suki is the best looking female, 8/10 easy. E;R also says he's going to work on a video of tihs. https://nitter.mint.lgbt/EsemicolonR/status/1761080882230669466#m
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>>38777 This is Azula, Mei and Ty Lee. That's it. This whole thing feels like Ember Island Players but Unironic. I don't wanna go into all the missing lore, like how Zhao was character assassinated so Azula can show up in Book One, how Wan Shi was in Heibai's episode instead of his Library which isn't mentioned, how the Northan Air Temple didn't appear, how the avatars need statues for Aang to talk to them now instead of just calling upon them, how Kyoshi had a bigger influence over Aang than Roku, how Netflix raceswapped Kurruk's wife Ummi or how they pushed female water benders in the North, how the whole of eps 7 and 8 was MUH TRADITION BAD look to the future. Again, this series is a mess. It couldn't even tell the simple story of ATLA, it had to borrow elements from everywhere and the end result is a series that's as confused as it's viewers are.
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>>38778 Oh and one of the writers is a literal fan-fic tier writer. https://www.imdb.com/review/rw9638405/?ref_=tt_urv
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>>38776 Absolutely destroys the connection with Aang & Katara beginning their romance through the story of the lovers. >>38777 Aang channeling Kyoshi would be fine if it didn't take away from giving attention to Roku. The previous Avatar & the one who's failure to stop Sozin led the world to this state. >sapphic Never say that word again. Do not use their language. They're lesbians. Dykes. It's stupid enough already without pandering to these stupid PC terms like sapphic or wlw. The Mother of Faces is from the ATLA comic set right after the series about Ursa. There's absolutely no need to bring that or Wan Shi Tong into the story at this point. >>38778 >Mai, Ty Lee, & Azula are practically interchangeable down to their chubby faces, fat noses, & clothing They didn't even try to cast good looking actresses. Much less just actresses who can act.
>>38780 I would rather they have not brought the Mother of Faces in at all, the comics suck.
>>38751 This picture makes it abundantly clear that Katara is an insufferable cunt with a Napoleon complex.
Did the Indians get persecuted for being the only round eyes in a world of nips, chinks, and Eskimos?
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>>38790 Funny you should mention that, Bumi is played by a Canadian actor of Indian descent. The Earth Kingdom seems to be a Punjab kingdom now instead of Han Chinese.
>>38782 Yes. >>38791 That's dumb.
Oh good lord. Imagine they make all of the Earth Kingdom indians now. Toph will get hit the hardest.
>>38800 I saw random white and black guys as background characters, it's entirely likely we might get black or white Toph.
>>38801 You know it won't ever be white. Especially not after Sokka's actor was revealed to not actually be native. They're gonna triple down on pointless diversity.
>>38802 True, they proved that by changing the Omashu founding story so that they were lesbians and replacing Roku's role in S1 with Kiyoshi.
>>38810 <Just roll over and die, goym! No.
>>38822 Wrong question, defeatist kike. Why should someone let shit like that spread?
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