>>877 I like New 52 Supergirl. At the very least, we can admit she's had worse designs, right? Like that dumb headband she wore for a while, which is now enshrined in history because she wore it in a famous cover when she died in the Crisis on Infinite Earths. Though I don't think either is at all comparable to SJWs deliberately making things ugly in modern comics. New 52 Supergirl was trying to make her fashion a little bit more alien, since that her alien nature is played up in that series, and I think it made her much more interesting as a character. Plus, it doesn't even look that different except for the lack of skirt. Your middle two pics are just in a whole different league than the others. SJW designs aren't even fair, because they make the worst designs from past decades look great by comparison.

>>879 I was just never a fan of the super diaper.

>>880 You should see Storm's codpiece in X-Treme X-Men (Arena)

>>890 See that kinda fits because the rest of the costume is equally bad.

>>880 It's a one piece suit. I never got how it looked like a diaper. It looks like a bathing suit with arm sleeves. Which isn't terribly out of place when talking about a genre where characters famously wear their underwear on the outside.

>>936 Its mostly how the lower red portion looked like, its doesnt wrap around completely yet its the most prominent when supergirl is shown from the front.

>>879 It's really hard not to point out SJW costume designs though.

>>938 Don't forget Six Pack and Bueno Excellente from All Star Section Eight- I refuse to believe that is not canon.

>>939 I wouldn't count them considering they're meant to be joke characters.

>>938 I honestly liked batgirl's leather design but hated everything else.

Y'know what I hate? Spandex costumes as a whole. Unless a hero's costume is properly explained on what it's material is, you just have to assume it's spandex. In the case of Batman I've never liked the more spandex look because it's incredibly impractical. Though nothing about Batman really is practical or realistic. That's poorly thought out comics for you. What rendition I really really hate though is the White Knight batsuit. For a series that's supposed to be a love letter to all iterations of Batman in the past, the suit for him is absolutely garbage. The giant bulky belt full of items he never uses, like that combat knife, the arm spikes that make no sense, the fingerless gloves over assumingly part of the bodysuit that covers the hands, the stripper boots, the ugly logo, the cape attached to nothing, & the cowl that doesn't even cover his eyes with lenses. It's horrid. It's like if a crazed hobo designed it.

>>877 New 52 Supergirl is fine though. Power Girl on the other hand.

>>2966 >it's incredibly impractical Realismfags like you are cancer. You don't need to fucking explain the suit, just make it look good.

>>2968 Okay. Let's excuse realism. But then we need to have an internal consistency & logic to what the batsuit is made of & how it functions. Is it a bodysuit or separate pieces? Does it require padding in the muscle or vulnerable areas? Is it made of an inherently bulletproof weave? Is it knife proof? How are batarangs stored in the belt? What's the cowl made of? What's the point of the arm blades if Bruce doesn't kill? How does the cape not get caught in or torn up by the arm blades? In fiction you need a set of logic for the world for the reader to be drawn in. If nothing makes sense in the world or you don't tell your readers how your world works then they will be left asking questions. You can't have realism & cartoonish logic in the same setting without something establishing how it works. For Batman, you need to have a sense of realism for his world because he has no powers. But infinite wealth allows you to make even ridiculous inventions plausible.

>>2970 And who inflates the tires on the Batmobile?

>>2974 Well that's probably Alfred.

>>2970 >In fiction you need a set of logic for the world for the reader to be drawn in. if this is true than why did capeshit get popular in the first place? I think you people vastly overrate how much the average reader cares. Most people who read this kind of stuff joke about the titty armor and spandex costumes, than keep reading.

>>2976 >if this is true than why did capeshit get popular in the first place? That's easy. War propaganda.

>>2985 prety sure it was climbing in popularity before it became war propaganda. It being popular in the first place ist why they decided to use it for war propaganda.

>>2986 Climbing maybe but not popular popular until wartime propaganda became the norm through comics. Adults & children would buy em back then all the time.

>>2988 ok, this doesn't refute the rest of my statement here>>2976in my view. unless you justed wanted to go on a brief historical tangent. Capeshit acutally waned in popularity after WW2 by the way until it eventualy made a comeback years later, assuming you don't already know that.

>>2990 I'm aware of that. As far as the rest of your statement... no that's wrong. Sort of. Comic readers are/were autists. The details of things matter. Yes comic readers are fine with spandex like costumes but they also want a reason for the costume so it makes sense contextually. A super powered character wearing a costume is fine because they're superpowered. A normal man who's just really good at fighting needs more reasoning behind why & how he wears what he does.

>>2991 > Yes comic readers are fine with spandex like costumes but they also want a reason for the costume so it makes sense contextually. I've seen plenty of capeshit fags celebrate the return of things like batman's outside "undies" in more recent comics.. Unless there is a massive survey of the opinions of capeshit nerds on "how pratical should batman's outdfit be," amongst other things. I assume most suppsosed "general opinion" on how capeshit logic should be handled is just people trying to push their opinion as the generally held one. Comic readers are autists, but the opinion's of autists is not always predictable.

>>2992 Funny you bring up the undies/shorts. The whole point of them isn't from a practical standpoint but from a design standpoint. They break the flow of all the solid gray on the body. Without them it just looks like something is missing. Granted this is something more important on Superman than Batman since the latter can change his suit & colors but with the grey colored batsuit it's something that's needed aesthetically.

I'm of the opinion that costumes need to be either classic body stocking (with possibly a cape and/or a mask) or should be so over designed that it's at least interesting to look at. Take these. They're somewhat overdesigned but at the same time they aren't bad to look at. They straddle the line between ridiculous and cool. I kind of like that. This "realistic" middle ground tacticool bullshit is killing me.

>>3012 It's overdesigned but looks cool. As long as you can make it make sense for the character & how it works or connects I'm fine with it. Tacticool isn't what I want at all. Otherwise you just get overdesigned stuff like Nolan's batsuit that's afraid to even be a comic book superhero.

>>3012 Alright, where did he hide the belts?

>>3019 The internal organs are belts.

>>3022 https://invidio.us/watch?v=HzKTK0024kw

The ultimate problem with the Wonder Woman costume in OP is that it roots in how DC has long struggled to both "modernize" her and make her the juggernaut Superman and Batman have. It came from a time when Diana's handlers were kinda embarassed about her having a lasso and wearing a star-spangled bikini/skirt. Even after her movie, she doesn't really have a setting and secondary cast/rogues gallery comparable to Clark and Bruce.

>>3012 The Batman design there would be unironically good for a futuristic anti-hero batman, like a Batman Beyond version of Red Hood.

>>3017 >overdesigned I don't think that's a valid point of critic for a toy, anon

>>4058 It's not overdesigned to provide more articulation. It's overdesigned just for aesthetic.

>>2985 The actual answer was the systematic murder of all other genres by the (((CCA)))

>>4332 >CCA Char's Counterattack?

>>4337 Comics Code Authority Also >Char's Counterattack? Federation Propaganda that was all Full Frontal. It should be called the FFA

>>4337 >Char's Counterattack You mean Char and Amuro get cucked to death by some dead Indian loli they both had a crush on and her Newtype bullshit.

>>4379 They didn't die because of Lalah. They died because of Char's actions making Amuro do a last ditch desperate effort to save the earth with newtype bullshit.

>>4380 >They died What really sucked is that it took 18 years before their fates were given some closure. Amuro was listed as MIA, which made it seem possible that he was just in hiding again and would return. In retrospect, Unicorn doesn't really change that. It leaves open the possibility that he can return someday. If Char could form a body as a space ghost, then so could Amuro.

>>4388 Full Frontal is a clone made by Neo Zeon. Char's soul is just tied down to Full Frontal because his memories were implanted through the psycoframe. When Full Frontal burned out his systems traveling through time. Char's soul was finally free. Finally passing on with Lalah & Amuro. Amuro isn't coming back unless the federation clones him. At this point that's impossible.

>>4388 He was dead for sure they never found his corpse and he had a baby on the way. It's not like there was a supersecret threat he needed to face >>4380 No she definitely helped them along, at no point did she tell them to man the fuck up and deal with their problems. Imagine how much would have changed if her ghost told Char that what he was doing was crazy and if he kept doing that she'll go with amuro.

>>4391 So what you're saying is women are the fault of everything going wrong? You're right.

>>4332 weren't war , romance, and regular science fiction in popular demand even after the CCA attacked?

>>962 I don't hate the design, I just hate that they blabbed nonstop about how 'practical' it is even though it's impractical in every way imaginable, from her loose, unsecured utility belt to her hair flowing freely. Why even bother designing the cape to be easily detachable 'so it doesn't get caught' if you're gonna give her long, flowing hair? Also I tried to contribute to this thread with Red Sonja, but apparently her reboot has done so well it's been all but scrubbed from the internet. Looking up reboot just gives me any of a million covers that use her old costume, and looking up remake just gives me a million fan redesigns.

>>4395 yes but it was all neutered.

>>4053 They never let anything about Wonder Woman stay around and become "iconic." Even her setting. Superman has Metropolis, Batman has Gotham, Flash has Central City, Green Lantern has Coast City, Green Arrow has Star City, Hawkman has Midway City, Atom has Ivy Town. I could keep going, even with less popular characters. Sometimes they do stories where they try to set them up in a different city, like Seattle, or St. Roche, but there's a core concept that they can return to at least. What does Wonder Woman have? Themyscira isn't the equivalent to Metropolis, it's the equivalent to Krypton or Oa or Thanagar or Mars. They've done runs where they try to set her in Washington or London or all sorts of other places, but never built up her own setting. And what are her supporting characters? Steve Trevor and Etta Candy are good ones, but they're ashamed to use them because Steve Trevor is a man who isn't completely useless, so it makes feminists mad, and Etta Candy is fat and funny, so that also makes feminists mad. Of course Steve being a warrior who tries to help Wonder Woman, even if he doesn't have powers, basically being a human counterpart to her, works great when Lois Lane does it for Superman, and makes both of them great love interests, but we can't let that happen because Wonder Woman gotta need no man! So they keep trying to do other shit with Trevor, like making him liaison to the Justice League just so he could watch Superman cuck him. And Etta Candy has to get made skinny and black and a badass super spy who is never allowed to be funny, because... uh fuck it. Just make it a 100% different character, and an utterly generic one at that. There are a few Themysciran secondary characters that are alright, but given that they don't have that relationship with both parts of Diana's identity, it's not really the same. Again, Hippolyta is much closer to Jor-El than she is to Pa Kent. And even Pa Kent isn't actually as important in terms of regular secondary characters as Perry White. Wonder Woman's closest equivalent is just a bunch of different government agents or whatever, who never become mainstay characters. But then it's hard for Wonder Woman to have characters who primarily interact with her "human side" because a lot of times they just don't give enough of a shit to even give Wonder Woman an alternate identity. And I know a lot of people will say that's good because it makes her more unique, but it does away with a lot of her classic portrayal, and only makes it more difficult to actually establish a consistent version of the character. And villains? Come on. Hades and Ares are so lame as villains that they could turn them into good guys in New 52 and it was better than any of the stories where they were villains. But it's not even like they evolved into that, like when Luthor became a good guy around Rebirth, they just rebooted into good guys because everyone knows that they were never worth giving a shit about. Tigra is the closest Wonder Woman has to an actual nemesis, which is basically the equivalent of if Superman's arch nemesis was some low level guy like Metallo or Parasite. Baroness von Gunther is a good one, but has been underused. Maybe the movie will fix that, but I don't exactly have much hope for that movie. And even then, they had to pull some pretty ridiculous shit to continue having her relevant for so long when she's intrinsically tied with WWII, and they don't want to just 100% rip off Red Skull. Who else do you have? Doctor Psycho? Great, another mad scientist, but since it's Wonder Woman, we'll say he hates women. And sometimes he's psychic, but sometimes he's not, because it doesn't actually matter because he doesn't actually have any meaningful connection to the protagonist. Who else is there? Angle Man? I'll admit I haven't read all his appearances, so someone please tell me what makes this guy anything more than a one time villain, or one of those background filler characters who shows up when every villain in the world breaks out of jail at the same time or something. What does he have that actually connects him to Wonder Woman? The fact is that Wonder Woman as a series actually sucks. She's a logo for feminism, and because of that, they can't admit that she's not actually good, because a ton of people who have never read a single comic in their entire lives would go apeshit over admitting that a series they never read isn't actually good. None of this is to say there aren't good Wonder Woman stories, there are, but a lot of the best ones are ones that those same people who haven't read them, but claim to love the character, would go apeshit over, because they aren't just feminist drivel, or they actually try to do more thought provoking things like examining the inherent sexism of an island that only allows women, instead of unironically calling it "Paradise Island." Then the same people who accept and even defend "Paradise Island" will make fun of the Invisible Jet. Know how bad Wonder Woman sucks? Just think, how strong is Wonder Woman? I'll tell you how strong Wonder Woman is. It's however strong Superman is at the time. Superman actually has stories about why his power level may fluctuate. Yet even though Wonder Woman doesn't get these (except for stories where she full on loses her powers), her power is always just shown as "as strong as Superman," because that's all she is. She's just there for feminists to be able to say there's a female superhero as strong as Superman. Of course there's Supergirl, not to mention like a million alien and god characters who are way stronger than Superman. But fuck it, you can't expect casuals to actually read comics and know about them. And they'll get mad that Supergirl is just girl Superman, ignoring the actual unique character and history that she has, because they never actually cared about characters or stories to begin with. These same people will think of Superman as "Generic Hero Man," but claim to love Wonder Woman, when the only reason they like her is literally because they see her as "Generic Hero Woman," and don't know or care about any of her stories, because even those stories are so disconnected that it gives her a history of, overall, just being treated as "Generic Hero Woman" even in her own series. If she was good, she would have more consistent elements, and they wouldn't just have to keep throwing stuff at the wall and seeing what sticks.

>>4407 I know, I suppose a more appropiate question is if capeshit really killed other genre's through systematic murder, and if bandwagon effect and having a protoagonist to get attached to also played a major role. Most other genre stuff aside from several of the military comics had anthology formats that sparsely had reoccuring protagonist and don't have the same marketability as a capeshit protagonist. Occasionally you get something like blackhawk, which appears to have been outselling less popular capeshit like wonder woman, but those are exceptions.

>>4425 that first and should be a or

>>4426 fuck and*

>>4425 It's not that capeshit killed other genres, it's that the CCA killed other genres, and capeshit, which wasn't even doing well at the time, was the only genre that wasn't absolutely neutered. Can't do war, western and horror comics if there are heavy restrictions on violence. Can't do romance comics if there are heavy restrictions on sex.

>>4428 Romance doesn't have to be purely sexual. It's not romance then. It's lust. It's smut starring Fabio sold at the magazine section of the Walgreen.

>>4428 >Can't do war, western and horror comics if there are heavy restrictions on violence. But, that's exactly what they did. <All-American Men of War, Our Fighting Forces, and G.I. Combat are straight-up war stories that got approved by the CCA. Also, IIRC, the CCA wasn't an actual legal body as you had some companies that rejected their seal, proceeded to still do their own thing, and remained in the black. So, out of curiosity, what real power did the CCA as it didn't ensure that companies became unprofitable if they printed "rejected" material (Just as long as they diversified their catalog, they were in the clear)? In fact, you have companies like EC that joined the CCA, cancelled all their "rejected" publications, and then went bankrupt because they lacked a diverse catalog.

>>4429 Your standards of what is "sexual" and the standards of those who made the CCA in the 1950s are very different. Of course romance still existed in stories, but it was neutered stuff like Archie, or Superman's Girlfriend: Lois Lane. They couldn't have anything that was even remotely considered "suggestive." >>4430 Of course they still existed in some capacity, but again, were under rather restrictive guidelines that at the very least would have a chilling effect on material. And yes, they could publish things without the CCA's approval, just like you can publish a movie without the MPAA's approval, or sell a game without the ESRB's approval. Just you'll end up with fewer sales outlets and a possible mob on your hands. Granted, this faded over time.

>>4417 underrated post

https://twitter.com/TAJackson20/status/1031006477958275072 https://twitter.com/TAJackson20/status/1031015167566340097 Thread going over how Wonder Woman struggles to work.

>>6513 >not archiving

>>6513 >the Amazons are all Spartan women who wouldn't fucking behave themselves and were exiled to Themiscyra

>>6513 Not that this guy's wrong but is there any reason you latched on to this one low follow twitter account and decided to shill him whenever you can?

>>877 Add this one to the pile.

>>23091 Looks nothing like bucky, and has no commie iconography. How is this winter soldier? They could have at least given it a metal arm. Also >female >blue hair >half nigger mutt >indian prayer shawl What even is the central character design here? Does she poo in the loo? Eat fried chicken? Futuristic train worker?

>>23093 >has no commie Lets be real its creator probably is one.

>>23094 Heh. An excellent point.

>>23091 I swear I saw this design from somewhere else.

>>23098 Borderlands.

>>23099 No, that actually looks decent. Its something else.

>>23100 Theres honestly a lot of blue haired dykes in leotards these days.

>>23101 >>23091 >>23100 It kinda looks like /cyber/'s old tan.

>>23120 did anyone ever hear back from that board?

>>23120 How could anyone think that haircut looks good? It looks like your barber had a stroke and died halfway through your haircut.