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Anonymous 08/30/2023 (Wed) 20:05:22 No. 25624
IDW Sonic Storytime #3 Starting with Sonic the Hedgehog: Endless Summer!!!
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>>25628 Thats all
>>25629 This was like some sort of weird fanfic. >>25626 I want a chao diorama like that though.
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Double Storytime today!!!! IDW Sonic 64# and Sonic the Hedgehog's 900th Adventure!!! Starting with 64#
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Now with 900th Adventure
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>>25650 That's all!! Thoughts?
>>25635 >fonseca That name kind of rings a bell and I'm not sure why. Something related to The Ride I think? >>25637 This has got to be some of the poorest writing in a sonic book in a long time. It's like all the creativity went away and was replaced by IRL inspired drama. >>25639 When is she eating the cake? They've been holding a cake slice literally the whole issue.
>>25637 >>25652 Silver should just let Mimic carry out a pogram on all the OC characters.
>>25637 Also I really like the whole <Whisper it's OK I know it's hard for you I'll support you >Silver you're off the team
>>25637 Couldn't Silver have just grabbed him?
>>25655 Yes. Everyone's acting retarded. If this little story arc doesn't at least have some neat twist to it I'm going to be completely annoyed. Something like Mimic is somehow possessing an innocent cat or that he's intentionally creating a Mr. Tinker type alternate personality and when he's in the zone he's really become Duo. Something other than everybody juggling the conflict ball and the stupid ball at the same time. And like why isn't Silver being trusted more anyway? That's a whole 'nother issue. He's participated in multiple heroic acts and even co-responsible for saving the world just a few months/years before. Why is this random fucking sheep treating main characters like shit? Not just Silver either.
>>25656 >And like why isn't Silver being trusted more anyway? That's a whole 'nother issue It seems it's the running gag with Silver in the comic, he's always portrayed as fucking things up and then exaggerating the situation and sobbing. It's boring and annoying. >Why is this random fucking sheep treating main characters like shit? Not just Silver either. I think it's a shame they ended up giving her such an excessively strong personality. It can feel a bit out of place and ruins the nice character design.
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Sonic the Hedgehog: Amy's 30th Anniversary Special storytime!!!
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>>25665 That's all for today!!! Thougths?
>>25642 How do you go from >we'll find where it goes and put it there to >I'm gonna grab it right now and see what happens lol >sonic goes back to GHZ for the 900th time this is probably more ironic than they realized. >the art style completely changed that's really fucking cool. Is that the dragon from Unleashed? What about the cars? >pink hedgehog hug cute >>25645 >big oof this upsets me probably more than it should. >>25648 Strictly speaking, shouldn't Sonic be in the wacky art style and Tails in the regular style due to being far away from the topaz and not being affected by it? >>25651 It was okay. It had its moments, and the art style switch was pretty clever, though the whole idea could have been explained better. Would have been cool if they used the Riders art style for the last part, not just because of it being fitting but also because it's a great fucking art style.
>>25660 So they're calling Fang a hunter now? >>25662 Bark is kinda fun. I've always wanted to see him explored more in the old comics. >>25664 Same thing with Bean. Bean is fun. >>25666 Eh. Nothing special nothing offensive. Felt a bit like the 900th adventure story where they wanted to give everyone a tiny bit of the spotlight.
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Double Storytime today!!!! IDW Sonic 65# and Sonic the Hedgehog: Halloween Special!!! Starting with 65# And as bonus the promotional comic for Superstars: Fang's Big break
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>>25674 Moving to Sonic the Hedgehog: Halloween Special
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>>25682 And now for the last: Fang's Big Break
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>>25684 And that's all for today!!! Pre Order Superstars or not!!! i don't care.
>>25670 >is maintaining your warrior's pride really that important? <yes kek >>25671 annoyed and frustrated eggman is fun >>25672 Vanilla gives off such good vibes all the time. I like how they're portrayed usually in a consistent manner and in beautiful/comfy locations. It's a shame their shit always gets ruined. It probably makes sense to them that they need to cause some sort of conflict, but usually I feel it'd be more interesting if they didn't. >>25674 >rik feature I've said it before but damn, I still can't believe he actually got this far. Faggot should have put a Bump cameo in the comic already.
>>25676 >isn't that tails's plane holy shit are you kidding me? >>25677 I kinda like that villain's character design. >>25680 Man, I want some gemstone candy. That looks great, how did no one think of this before? >>25681 That was pretty gay honestly. >>25683 So they did change his name. The explanation they give makes sense but I still hate it. The art here is pretty good though. >>25684 Holy shit is that a big flicky? That's pretty cool. >>25685 That was actually okay. I haven't been keeping in the loop and completely forgot about about Superstars. Hope it does well, though from the pics I remember seeing it didn't look so hot.
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IDW Sonic 66# Storytime!!!
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>>25693 That's all for today
Is it me or is there just an insane amount of uncharacteristically stupid choices being made in the Restoration right now?
>>25695 >hesse I forgot all about this nigger. A few years back he was involved in a ton of Sonic stuff but I don't remember hearing about him in a long time. Is he still involved? Also holy shit, I never noticed Starline only wears one glove. I think it's because the fingers are completely featureless but still.
>>25696 They apparently don't have any kind of intelligence division at all. Archie Sonic had Harvey Who & co., but here apparently Eggman is the only one who bothers to maintain a database of persons of interest. Is Jewel just naive, or does she not even know who Clutch is? Did Mimic even need to come up with a cover story, or can literally anyone show up at Restoration HQ and get a job there? (An "if you have a pulse you're in" policy would've made sense when the Resistance was taking heavy casualties; did Amy never bother updating it? ...I'm putting more thought into this than the writers did, aren't I?)
>>25692 The stupid coat Clutch uses ruins an otherwise ok design. So what was his actual goal? Get Knucles out of Angel Island to steal something else? Have them create a distraction at Eggman's base? Get the Chaotix to arrive late at Vanilla's house so that the skunks could steal Gemerl? That would make sense considering that his company was doing something related to old Eggman tech, but it didn't sound like they knew of him. Perhaps keep the Chaotix busy while he infiltrated the Restoration HQ, since they're the ones that know of him? The Cream story makes no sense at all.
>>25707 I assumed Rough & Tumble were acting on their own. They explicitly had no idea who or what Gemerl even was, so they can't have been looking for him. Not sure what Clutch was up to. The main plot points I'm aware of are that Mimic (as "Duo") landed a temporary position as Jewel's assistant after the fight with Silver (which presumably helped Clutch get the meeting with her), and that the Chaotix were deliberately tipped off to the Babylon Rogues' location. The logical deduction would be that Clutch had something else planned to happen at the same time, and arranged a decoy to eliminate the possibility that the Chaotix might stumble across it, but exactly what he'd planned is unknown.
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IDW Sonic 67# Storytime!!!
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>>25716 That's all for today
Y'know, it took me this long to realize, but Clutch's corporation shares a name with Operation: Clean Sweep from the Archie comics. Just a coincidence?
>>25711 The Restoration HQ is gonna get trashed again isn't it? That looks like one tasty chilidog. I could sure as hell have one like that right now. >>25715 Yeah, it's gonna get trashed. >>25712 >she didn't even let them finish their phrase rude >should I make your tails match RUDE >>25717 It was a fairly interesting issue, thanks for storytiming. >>25718 I may not have read that story. What was it about?
>>25719 >I may not have read that story. What was it about? After recovering from insanity, Eggman invents the Genesis Reactor and starts rewriting reality. Super Sonic retcons everything back to mostly normal, but in the process the blue Chaos Emerald ends up in the Mega Man comic, which leads to the Eggman/Wily teamup and the Super Genesis Wave/big retcon.
>>25720 Oh, that story. I really need to read Archie Sonic in whole one day. So far nothing here seems to have much relation to that, but the idea that Clutch's company starts mixing Eggman tech ambitiously and carelessly and starts creating monstrosities that go out of control is super interesting. It'd be a great opportunity to get creative and come up with new, unexplored situations. Shame that it's guaranteed we're going to get something much more boring.
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IDW Sonic the Hedgehog: Winter Jam storytime!!!
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>>25731 End Happy holidays!!!
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>>25727 They really gave this guys wife absolutely fat hookers. Good for him. >>25729 Oh dang I just saw a video of the Sonic cookbook the other day and I recognize all the food from it in that panel, what a neat reference.
>>25698 >>25692 >>25707 So what happens if Rouge, Shadow, or even Cream walk into the restoration base at any point? They know who Clutch is and what he's about.
>>25739 Those three don't do a whole lot of work with the Restoration under normal circumstances, so they probably wouldn't show up. Amy is the biggest threat; she's naturally going to spend a lot of time in Restoration HQ, and she's not likely to have forgotten Clutch trying to kill her. (If I had to come up with an answer for that problem, I'd go with part of the intel Clutch acquires from Mimic being Amy's schedule, so that he can avoid encountering her. That's just me rationalizing, though.) I could maybe see Tails deciding to look into Clean Sweep, Inc. and remembering Rouge mentioning Clutch's name, but that's kind of unlikely. Rouge could probably figure most of the situation out on her own, but she probably wouldn't interfere unless she somehow learns that Clutch isn't just running an Eggtech black market and intends to completely wipe out the Restoration. He'd also be known on sight by Gemerl and the Chaotix (and maybe Omega if he got a clear look at Clutch while Shadow was kicking him), but they're not full-time Restoration members either.
>>25740 I wonder if Clutch could actually talk his way out of being in trouble with Amy? He could tell her that he'd assumed she was just some criminal accomplice of Rouge's instead of the (at the time) leader of the Restoration, and pointedly ask why she stole parts from him instead of just buying them like an honest person. Amy wouldn't really have a good answer for that; she was just blindly following Rouge at the time. The only other reason she'd have to dislike him, assuming she didn't hear from the Chaotix about his smuggling operation, was that he'd been keeping Chao in cages. He could just say that it'd been a temporary measure because he was afraid they'd be stolen; if Amy was still off-balance from the part theft bit she probably wouldn't even question it. Clutch might actually be able to successfully demand payment for the stolen parts, which would be hilarious, although he'd probably go with the smarter play of building goodwill by dropping the matter. He could have Amy unwittingly running cover for him right up until he sent the kill order.
>>25735 These are great, only good thing about the issue. >>25737 >They really gave this guys wife absolutely fat hookers. Good for him. I also noticed. Kinda odd considering just how hard they try to hide boob bat's boobs.
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IDW Sonic 68# Storytime!!!
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>>25749 That's all for today
>>25749 Wait so they're putting the main series on pause while they do the nack mini series? That's weak as all hell.
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>>25752 Dang, I missed that bit. >for the next few months Gonna be a while before the next part of the Clutch Saga, then. Well, at least there'll be more Bean the Dynamite. (Also, maybe a few months will give them enough prep time to paper over any plotholes that they've overlooked in the main story.)
>>25753 >at least there'll be more Bean the Dynamite Yes, that's a good point, but still. How come Archie Sonic performed a lot worse than this comic yet they managed to get 2 series running at the same time plus a mini series here and there? This is pretty lousy. >maybe a few months will give them enough prep time to paper over any plotholes that they've overlooked in the main story Fat chance. I just know the story ending will be disappointing.
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>>25754 >Fat chance. I just know the story ending will be disappointing. Well unless Mimic pulls a "Johnny Lightfoot" on one of the Restoration members or something like that.
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IDW Sonic the Hedgehog: Fang the Hunter storytime!!!
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>>25762 That's all for today!!! Thoughts so far?
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>>25763 >Thoughts so far? It did, in fact, contain Bean the Dynamite. His bombs look kinda oddly two-dimensional, though. Is the "eighth Chaos Emerald" bit a reference to something? My Sonic autism fails me.
>>25766 It's seemingly a reference to how the Chaos Emeralds don't always have consistent colors. When they describe it and mention many different colors it might be, those are all colors that only appear in one game (or maybe two. Not sure). Also, in Sonic the Fighters, notably one of only three appearances of Fang, there are eight Chaos Emeralds. Of course every fan would surely just squint and headcanon it that one of them is actually the Master Emerald, and it seems like that guess is also mentioned here. Of course, for the story, they clarify that he's not talking about the Master Emerald. Surely at the end of the story it will turn out there was no eighth Chaos Emerald. If we're lucky it will be the Phantom Ruby, but that's also highly doubtful. It will probably just be nothing, and Fang was tricked.
>>25760 >bean swimming like a duck in the river lol >>25761 Are the stories mentioned here from Fighters or some other part of the franchise or are they made up? They always reference real things when they do this kind of thing so I feel pretty stupid I'm not recognizing them. >>25766 Bean makes this interesting, which I'm not sure is good since he's just a lolrandom character. >>25766 I feel it's not the first time I hear about it. I think it's kind of a meme because the depiction of the emeralds has been inconsistent. In the first game there are only 6. >>25770 >It will probably just be nothing, and Fang was tricked. >mfw they make a whole mini series and it's all based around something they never intended to deliver in the first place I'd believe it.
>>25772 >Are the stories mentioned here from Fighters or some other part of the franchise or are they made up? They're from other issues of the IDW comic. I don't recall precisely which ones, but they're specifically ones that feature the "Classic" characters. So you can look those up. Also this means that they're treating the "Classic" stuff as just the past of the main timeline, rather than an alternate timeline. Of course, in one way, that makes the most sense. In a more pedantic, autistic way, it doesn't, because Modern Sonic doesn't remember fighting the Time Eater in Sonic 1 (as happened in Generations, but not in Sonic 1), and he didn't meet Tails while fighting the Time Eater with his future self, and he didn't get warped to the future/alt future again and experience Classic Sonic's version of Forces, which means he didn't experience Mania, since Mania connects directly to Forces, both regular Mania and Encore Mode. Of course, that's autistic, and obviously "Classic Sonic" stories should be treated the same as the past of Modern Sonic. But this is technically the first time it's been confirmed that the Hard Boiled Heavies exist in the main timeline, which means something akin to Mania happened in the past of the Modern timeline. But it can't be Mania exactly, because Forces takes place in the middle of Mania, between regular mode and Encore Mode. Unless we say Modern Sonic actually did experience Forces from Classic's POV as well, and just never mentioned it. It would be slightly different since Classic remembers meeting the Modern characters before, and Modern definitely never did Generations from Classic's POV because Classic's POV of that means he experiences Sonic 1 and meeting Tails differently than happened in the actual games. But uh... I guess we should assume as much of Classic happened in Modern as makes sense, with as few changes to the "Classic timeline" we see as possible. And to be clear, the "Classic timeline" is actually not the old games. The old games are the Modern timeline, however, we are clearly meant to assume (almost) all the old games also happened in the Classic Timeline, but Sonic 1 (specifically the part of Sonic 1 where you complete Green Hill and the Time Eater doesn't show up) and part of the backstory to Sonic 2 (meeting Tails) would be slightly different, because of things that happen in Generations. But I guess we're supposed to assume that aside from those specific differences, everything else happened as closely as possible to the games, even if not exactly. >In the first game there are only 6. The seventh was found on Westside Island, from Sonic 2, which happens to be the original home of the Emeralds, AKA where the Echidnas lived, AKA the island where the Mystic Ruins and Station Square are. Note that the other games which take place before Sonic 2, like Sonic 1 8-bit and Tails Adventures, also only have six chaos emeralds. (Sonic 2 8-bit also arguably takes place before Sonic 2 16-bit, as well. So does Sonic & Tails, AKA Sonic Chaos, as well as Sonic Drift and some other games which don't have much story or don't feature the Chaos Emeralds at all.) So Sonic 2 retconned the number to be 7. Note that people use the word "retcon" to mean "ignore previous continuity," but that isn't what it means, it means new info was revealed, so the old stories are canon, but now you learned new context. There was an extra emerald they didn't know about before, and it was discovered in Sonic 2. However, Sonic & Tails 2, AKA Sonic Triple Trouble, also only has six chaos emeralds. So does Sonic Drift 2. I guess there we can assume Eggman just wasn't going for the seventh one. He got lazy or impatient. Sonic Blast only features one chaos emerald that gets broken into pieces. The others aren't part of that story. Sonic Spinball features a ton of Chaos Emeralds, but that game is arguably not even canon because it features cameos from characters from the cartoons and seems to take place in the SatAM continuity. But Sonic the Fighters actually does have eight chaos emeralds. The immediate fan reaction would just be to pretend one of them (presumably the one Knuckles has) is actually the Master Emerald, but the game never says that, and no other later piece of media has gone back and said that was the case in Fighters. It's a mistake that's never been addressed, but given Bean and Bark are exclusive to that game (as far as Sonic game appearances go) and Fang is also in that game, this eighth chaos emerald is likely primarily a reference to Fighters, but with other references thrown in as well.
>>25773 >They're from other issues of the IDW comic I was afraid of that. I feel like I should remember them, then again this shit has been running for like 6 years already.
>>25773 See this is the problem with SEGA demanding a "one cannon, one timeline" thing.
>>25773 I'd just assumed that the "Classic" stories were supposed to be an alternate reality, like Archie Sonic's "Another Time, Another Place" stories.
>>25781 I think it's way better to just say it's all canon. In fact, I think they should go further and do some autistic comic to say that all the previous cartoons and comics are also canon. But one step at a time. The fact of the matter is that people saw these games/comics/cartoons. They're out there. They were official. As for Classic Sonic, it's fucking stupid to treat it as a different character, even though it technically is. But that's following the letter of the canon and not the spirit. Classic Sonic is obviously intended to be Sonic in the past, even though that technically doesn't make sense. Again, if Sega was smart, they'd let Flynn or whoever do a short story establishing definitively that Classic Sonic is exactly the same as Modern Sonic's past except for the times he met Modern Sonic. I'd say they should go further and say that Modern Sonic experienced something very similar to Sonic Mania, fighting the Hard Boiled Heavies, only without the time travel tie-ins to Sonic Forces. Or hell, I guess you could even say Sonic did experience Sonic Mania in the past and travelled to the future of Forces and met his future self. Sonic's the type of character who wouldn't even talk about that because it's just one more adventure among many. Really, the only thing that doesn't work between Classic Sonic and Modern Sonic explicitly is that Modern Sonic didn't experience Classic Sonic's point of view of Generations.
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IDW Sonic the Hedgehog: Fang the Hunter #2 storytime!!!
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>>25792 That's all for today
>>25788 I have a sudden urge to play S3&K again. >>25791 I'm not a fan of them making Knuckles an idiot but the graphic and primitive reasoning is funny. >>25793 This format where each story is independent and disconnected from each other is boring. And going through that just to have a 2 second inconsequential conversation with knuckles is boring. These are pretty shallow and boring.
I wonder how many issues it'll be before we get back to the other comic, in which I can only assume will culminate in Mimic pulling a Diavolo and trying murder literally every Sonic character that knows that he exists?
>>25795 Well, Eggman already hot a hold of them, so it feels like it won't be too long. Where else could they go after that in terms of plot if not an ending? Outside of a much larger arc I guess but I don't think they'd be doing that.
I wonder if any of this will be referenced in the present of the comics. If it's supposed to be "Classic," but they're trying to downplay how "Classic Sonic" was technically a split timeline, then okay, this happens shortly before Adventure, but it would be cool if Flynn had things that happen here become relevant to the next story arc that takes place years later. I mean, I'd much rather an arc about Fang than about all the OCs, which is what we are getting otherwise. Then again, it's also very strange that we still haven't gotten any references to Frontiers. It sort of made sense to hold off on it until all the DLC was out, since it was story-related, but now it's out. So it's strange that they haven't referenced it as having happened. They keep saying these comics are supposed to actually fit with the games, but they aren't taking advantage of that. Also, I just realized Flynn probably invented Sage as some sort of counterpart to Nicole, if not an outright replacement. Of course now that she is sort of popular, I doubt he can just use her however he wishes, but it is yet another example of him making a new character that is clearly "inspired by" an OC from an adaptation he isn't allowed to reference anymore. Would it be cool if Sage fought Nicole? Maybe. But then modern Flynn would probably just have them go out on a date or something.
>>25797 >I wonder if any of this will be referenced in the present of the comics. There's no chance Iizuka would approve that. Unless he's on crack, then crossovers and references are okay. >but it would be cool if Flynn had things that happen here become relevant to the next story arc that takes place years later That's actually a pretty cool idea that could open up lots of interesting scenarios and allow for creativity to be injected into the stories, but it feels like they're against most of those things. >But then modern Flynn would probably just have them go out on a date or something ... We need some drawfags
>>25797 >Also, I just realized Flynn probably invented Sage as some sort of counterpart to Nicole, if not an outright replacement. Wait, then I remembered that Eggman already had a "robot daughter" in the Archie comics. Her name was mecha. Same premise but she was more evil and wasn't a loli. Flynn didn't create her but did like her enough to try to make her death relatively memorable when he was ordered to kill her off. I disagree with his like of the character, though. She was pretty lame, and they should have followed through with the Mecha Snivley they hinted at at the time instead. Or just plain use Metal Sonic, which is what they would do later. But now I realize Flynn was probably bringing back the concept of Mecha, a character he liked but was forced to kill off. Also, Mecha was a stupid name, given how many Mecha-(Protagonist) names are already in the series. There were already three Mecha Sonics in the games, and even if only one of them had appeared in the comics, and they called him Silver Sonic instead, they fucked up because they called Metal Sonic Mecha Sonic for like 150 issues, and they also use Mecha Sonic to refer to Sonic when he gets roboticized. Then the same thing happens to Knuckles, creating Mecha Knuckles, which is different from the Mecha Knuckles in Sonic Advance 2, which is different from the Metal Knuckles in Sonic R. There was also Mecha Sally, from the first aired episode of SatAM, though they don't call her that explicitly, I think. It would later make more sense to call that one Metal Sally, since she's a robot duplicate and not a roboticized version, and the comics seem to use that naming scheme, but early on they just say everything is Mecha. Also later Sally gets roboticized and they call her Mecha Sally. The point is, Mecha is a stupid name for a character in a series where there are many characters with "Mecha" used as a prefix in their names.
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>>25805 Yeah, but E.V.E. was never really treated as Robotnik's daughter, even she was referred to as "she" rather than "it," and the connection to the later A.D.A.M., which wasn't explicit, was still clear. And A.D.A.M. was treated as Robotnik's son and Mecha's sister. But still, E.V.E. wasn't treated like his daughter. It would have been cooler if they revealed Mecha was secretly possessed by E.V.E. and she was actually spying on him or something. The two concepts were obviously related, albeit mostly through A.D.A.M., and making that connection more explicit would have been cool.
>>25806 And oh yeah, Flynn should have brought back Robotnik Jr when he had the chance. Have him meet A.D.A.M.. Robotnik has four or five children now, by my count. And that's not even counting things like Scratch and Grounder, Bocoe and Decoe, or Orbot and Cubot, who come pretty close to counting.
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>>25797 >I wonder if any of this will be referenced in the present of the comics. Welp. Unless I'm mistaken, the Warp Topaz showing up here after it vanished in the main series means that the "Classic" canon is a parallel universe or adjacent Zone or whatever. (Not sure offhand how this impacts the Sonic Forces "Tails PTSD/hallucination" theory.)
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>>25816 I don't see why it couldn't just as likely be time travel instead of dimensional travel. Yes, "Classic Sonic" should technically be an alternate dimension/splinter timeline due to the Time Eater creating a split timeline in Generations, but clearly Sega wants to treat it like it's just the past, and frankly, sure, whatever, I can accept that. I wouldn't be terribly surprised if they just say the Warp Topaz warped to the past, and if they want to, they can say the same thing happened in the alt-dimension/timeline with the "other" Classic Sonic, as well. Really, they've clearly been trying to gloss over the idea of Classic Sonic being anything other than Sonic from the past.
>>25818 >Warp Topaz warped to the past I hope not. There's already more than enough time travel stuff with Silver as it is. Time travel is a huge mess and it's better not to include it in a setting unless that setting es expressly conceived of revolving around time travel.
>>25819 Treating "Classic Sonic" as the past would simplify things significantly over treating it as an alternate dimension. It seems to be what they've been doing. If it were me, I'd do one short story in the comic that explains that "Classic Sonic" from Generations, Mania, and Forces is technically a guy from an alt timeline/dimension, but "Modern Sonic" (regular Sonic) also had extremely similar experiences, except the parts that explicitly didn't happen to him (seeing The Time Eater in the past). Just explain it once in a little short story, then never mention it again and just treat "Classic Sonic" as the past. It would make things much simpler.
>>25820 It's not even so much that I have a problem with Classic Sonic being past Sonic, I just don't want them to go in for a time travel plot with the Topaz. I don't think they will though. The Warp Topaz hasn't shown any sort of time travel abilities but it has shown dimensional traveling abilities several times. >"Classic Sonic" from Generations, Mania, and Forces is technically a guy from an alt timeline/dimension, but "Modern Sonic" (regular Sonic) also had extremely similar experiences, except the parts that explicitly didn't happen to him (seeing The Time Eater in the past). I sort of agree but I would go the route that the Classic universe is a divergent timeline where what ever set off the events of SA1 and 2 didn't happen so things have just continued along. >Just explain it once in a little short story, then never mention it again and just treat "Classic Sonic" as the past. It would make things much simpler. That would be fine, as long as you have "modern day" Sonic stories and also have Classic Sonic stories and there is never any crossover between them. But it looks right now that they are building up to an eventual crossover between the two so the specifics will have to be dealt with. And the comic already shows that the Sonic universe runs on Back to the Future rules with Silver so making a Classic-Modern crossover be time travel will just be narratively messier.
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>>25821 >what ever set off the events of SA1 and 2
>>25821 >I would go the route that the Classic universe is a divergent timeline where what ever set off the events of SA1 and 2 didn't happen so things have just continued along. But Classic Sonic is treated as younger than Modern Sonic. If anything, we should just be assuming that Sonic Adventure might still happen in the future of Classic Sonic, but all the events we see of Classic Sonic, starting with Forces, are after all of the games that came out before Adventure. Mania references even Sonic R, so we can assume it takes place after Sonic R, which was one of the last games before Adventure. Adventure could still happen later, but hasn't yet. But Classic Sonic is younger, so it's not like time continued and just went differently than it did in the main timeline. >That would be fine, as long as you have "modern day" Sonic stories and also have Classic Sonic stories and there is never any crossover between them. But it looks right now that they are building up to an eventual crossover between the two so the specifics will have to be dealt with. If they did do a comic crossover of Classic and Modern, I'd hope it was just to try to explain things. Flynn is good at that when he wants to be. But I don't think they're even gonna do that. Maybe though. We'll see. It might just be that they say Fang or whoever had the Warp Topaz in the present. Or Heavy King, maybe. They might be setting him up to be a bigger thing in the present stories, if Flynn can ever convince Sega to let him do that and not treat the "Classic" characters as off limits to the main stories. >And the comic already shows that the Sonic universe runs on Back to the Future rules with Silver so making a Classic-Modern crossover be time travel will just be narratively messier. Silver's travel through time is by different mechanics so different rules can apply. When Silver goes back in time he changed the future, but when The Time Eater messes with time it can do other things, like split the timeline. And they can also just easily say everything they've shown in all the IDW Classic Sonic stories, including the recent Fang one, just plain took place in the past of the regular stories and just weren't mentioned before. Simple enough. Maybe The Warp Topaz went to the past and has been there the whole time, but nobody knew about it until now. >>25824 What set off the events of Sonic Adventure was Eggman freeing Chaos, but Chaos was mentioned as early as Sonic 2's manual. Sonic Adventure 2 is more of a narrative break, but nobody wants to set the division there, since those two games are obviously so related even though their stories are actually more unrelated than any main series Sonic game before them.
>>25825 It still just seems a bit to messy to me to go that route but hell even if they do it's probably a more interesting plot than what ever the fuck Mimic, Clutch, and the terror twins are planning back at Knothole The Restoration. Also speaking of messy if it is explicitly the past then that means that Starline is still alive then and could potentially get a hold of the Topaz before he's suppose to.
>>25825 >Silver's travel through time is by different mechanics so different rules can apply. The IDW comics haven't actually covered how he travels through time (other than mentioning offhand that Silver doesn't have any control over it), but I managed to dig up the current canon: mysterious portals that suddenly appear whenever the author wants to write him into the story he's needed in the past.
>>25827 >mysterious portals that suddenly appear whenever the author wants to write him into the story he's needed in the past. Oh I was wrong then. It's not Back to the Futures rules it's Chrono Trigger rules, which is frankly much better.
>>25826 >Also speaking of messy if it is explicitly the past then that means that Starline is still alive then and could potentially get a hold of the Topaz before he's suppose to. You say that's messy, but I don't think it would necessarily be a terrible plot. Starline could do a "change the future" plot. I could see it working fine. That said, I'm done caring about Starline, so I still hope nothing like that happens. >>25827 Either way, the point is it's not with the Warp Topaz. If you go back in time via different means, then you can say different rules apply. Going back in time with the Time Stones or Little Planet can have different rules than going back in time with the Phantom Ruby, if they wanted to say that. Or I guess due to Sonic '06 you can even go back in time with two or more Chaos Emeralds, and again, you could say that has different rules.
>>25811 The expressions on this issue are great. >>25812 I feel like I would have done well to have played Mania by this point. >it was the warp topaz Well, that makes sense I guess, I definitely wasn't expecting that though! >>25813 For how stupidly safe they like to play it regarding mixing franchises and themes and eras and whatnot I'm surprised they namedropped the HBH boss out of nowhere like that. >chinchilla I miss the stupid chinchilla in Archie. Plus Cassia and Clove. >>25814 I totally missed that Eggman's chair was actually a statue of himself. >>25816 I just interpreted that scene as the Warp Topaz having calmed down or that due to it being buried Tails just wasn't detecting it anymore. My thoughts about this issue were that perhaps this was the past and maybe tied somehow into how Starline discovered the topaz. But that'd be too cool. Maybe just Starline wasn't the first to find it and that's it. >>25821 >The Warp Topaz hasn't shown any sort of time travel abilities but it has shown dimensional traveling abilities several times. That makes sense. >>25826 >even if they do it's probably a more interesting plot than what ever the fuck Mimic, Clutch, and the terror twins are planning back at Knothole The Restoration Seriously, that stuff is pretty dense and boring. All of this is much more interesting, but in a comic that has been all about playing it the safest I feel there's fuck all chance we'll get anything even remotely as complex.
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IDW Sonic the Hedgehog: Fang the Hunter #4 storytime!!!
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>>25838 The end!!! Thoughts??
Pretty alright story. A bit forgettable, but I care more about these characters than I do about Tangle and Whisper and Lanolin and Belle. Now, part of me is interested in Scourge, and interested in getting back to that storyline, but then I remember it will probably just be more of the girls sitting around and eating desserts or whatever, so nevermind. Also I looked it up and the next story is by Evan Stanley, so yeah, this Fang story is gonna be the best stuff we'll get for the next few months at least.
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>>25868 That's all for today
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>>25835 I feel like they've missed the chance to make some references to some of the other huge flying ships in the series. >>25837 Sonic and Tails' part in this was so shoehorned in. Other than that I think it was a fun issue. >>25840 About to find out! Personally I think not-scourge is boring and one note as hell. >it will probably just be more of the girls sitting around and eating desserts or whatever I've always been fond of slice of life stuff so I kinda wish, but the main story is not really great. >>25864 Ooh, I love the Riders gear. Man it's been months and I barely remember what was going on. >>25867 Kit sleeping in a pile of pillows is so cute. And Surge without her hair being tied looks much more girly, I love how they used this to convey she was just out of bed. >>25868 That whole Eggman scene is fantastic. I don't remember many times where I've enjoyed Eggman in the comic. Also who let Cubot have a waifu pillow? >>25712 They never did tell the story behind the missing tail right?
The whole race event thing seems sort of out of the blue, but it's actually kinda amusing to me; it's as if time was passing in the main storyline while we were watching Team Hooligan's shenanigans. Might be a bit jarring for someone reading an anthology, though? >>25874 >They never did tell the story behind the missing tail right? Nope, it's still a mystery.
>>25875 >The whole race event thing seems sort of out of the blue I actually went looking into the previous issues because that had me wondering where it came from. It kind of felt familiar but I didn't remember that I was supposed to expect this and it was frustrating that I didn't end up finding anything (I find it a chore to go back several issues trying to find a small detail I might have missed.) I think I got a bit confused with a previous arc about Team Sonic Racing where they were actually invited to race. I ended up more confused because it feels like a really awkward direction to go in given what was going on in the story, though considering the series I guess it's not really unusual.
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>>25884 That's all Thoughts?
>>25885 >Thoughts? Why is Tails eating a handful of worms?
>>25886 I'm guessing it's a funnel cake
>>25885 Remember when Sonic was supposed to be cool? Now we get a whole special issue about gardening, which actually is the payoff to a two year subplot about Silver learning to garden. How cool. This is exactly what the series should have always been like.
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>>25888 (trips of truth) That story would've made more sense if it had been Amy and Cream instead of Sonic and Tails. By which I mean I could photoshop Amy and Cream over Sonic and Tails and leave the dialogue untouched and there wouldn't even be that many discrepancies.
>>25885 >Thoughts? Man they really don't seem to want to get back to the main plot.
>>25888 >>25889 Another thing that I thought of. This story is posed as a mystery whodunit. Yeah I wonder who it could possibly be?! Maybe Rough and/or Tumble?! Like they're openly right there and they've been assholes in literally every appearance. Even Eggman can suppress his autism occasionally to be able to temporarily interact with the Sonic crew. So like who else would it have been?
>>25889 Except Amy and Cream shouldn't be the main characters anyway, outside of rare special issues, or occasional backup stories. And I like those characters. But the problem is that the series is getting very far thematically and tonally from what it's supposed to be. The Archie comics under the same head-writer were very different from what they were supposed to be due to literally starring characters who weren't in the games, but he showed the potential to do it right when dealing with the main characters. Even under Flynn, Sonic, Tails, Amy, Knuckles, Shadow, Rouge, Blaze, they were all written better. I want to blame the other writers, like Evan Stanley, and she's definitely worse than Flynn, but he's not that different than her.. Modern Flynn writes more like Evan Stanley than he writes like himself 10-15 years ago. Maybe it's all IDW being the gay as fuck company they are, telling them to market to exclusively girls, as if that's the audience for either comics or Sonic. But they lost the Hasbro licenses by doing that shit, so I wouldn't put it past them.
>>25892 I've just been assuming that SEGA is so tight reined anymore that it's limited what they can do so they're pretty much stuck with the slice of life adventures of Sonic and friends and occasionally Eggman shows up and does something. Also I really thing that the Mimic/Clutch/Surge/Kit storyline has a become a totally written into a corner thing and they don't know where to proceed.
>>25893 I really doubt that's Sega's decision. Sega was fine with Master Overlord, and if anything that would be a period when they would put the tightest leash on the comics, right when the IDW series began. Meanwhile, they've let Flynn and Stanley make the comic about tons and tons of OCs. I doubt Sega loves that, given the history of stuff like that in the franchise. Overall, say what you want about Sega, but who is more likely to want to make the comic as if it was written for girls? Sega, or IDW/modern American comic writers? Ultimately it's the same problem other American comics have, but to a lesser degree. If anything, that's what is being reigned in by Sega.
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>>25898 Crossover???
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>>25899 That's all for today
>>25899 >Crossover >"BIG threat" >wording implies large size, and probably also a villain >look up list of current IDW comics >Godzilla Is Godzilla a decent bet? He's "BIG," if the all caps meant anything there. He's a threat, a character that is often an antagonist. IDW has a few other things I could imagine crossing over with Sonic, especially this version of Sonic, like Monster High, My Little Pony, Star Trek, Ninja Turtles, and maybe even The Rocketeer, but the wording makes me pretty confident it's Godzilla. I'm calling it now. And they're probably gonna team up to fight Mechagodzilla. Hopefully Flynn writes it and is smart enough to have Mecha Sonic from Sonic 2 (16-bit) show up. And don't call him Silver Sonic like in the Archie comics, because he's clearly based on Mechagodzilla.
>>25880 The expressions are so awkward in this issue. >>25885 I can appreciate that there was some thought put into the issue but overall it was so childish and shallow. >>25891 >Maybe Rough and/or Tumble?! Like they're openly right there and they've been assholes in literally every appearance I wonder why they didn't have the big skunk do anything this issue. It's kind of awkward. >>25893 I would be 100% OK with having a number of slice of life adventures of Sonic and friends if done properly, I remember looking very fondly at fan art with such topics in the past and I couldn't have enough. But this is just boring, too shallow and it doesn't feel like Sonic. >>25894 >who is more likely to want to make the comic as if it was written for girls? But all that Sega's been doing for the past 15 years or so is playing it safe and making things as simple and barebones as posible. Isn't that basically what this comic is about? I think it's the perfect shit combination of Sega wanting something safe, shallow, and that even 2 year olds could follow, and writers realizing that they're able to get away with being lazy and making the stories about the topics they personally care about while fitting into that definition, i.e. lack of ambition. I think a big part of the reason why Archie was good was the ambition of the writers, that just doesn't feel like it's here.
>>25896 I was missing some good old omochao abuse >>25899 This issue was okay. Loved the art and the ending was fun. >>25899 >Crossover??? >mfw >>25901 >My Little Pony Oh god
>>25904 Holy fucking shit I can post images again??
>>25903 >But all that Sega's been doing for the past 15 years or so is playing it safe and making things as simple and barebones as posible. Isn't that basically what this comic is about? I disagree. Forces was an attempt at being darker and edgier again, even if it failed due to having the wrong writers. They hired Flynn, and the reason people like him isn't the slice of life bullshit, it's the deep lore bullshit. But Archie and IDW have kept letting Evan Stanley write, and that needs to stop, because she fucking sucks. But Flynn follows the same trends as her, just not as bad. The whole American comic industry is feminized like this now. Sonic Colors and Lost World and whatever else are not. They're stupid and going for comedy, but not this type of comedy. >I think a big part of the reason why Archie was good was the ambition of the writers, that just doesn't feel like it's here. The head writer for nearly half the total ArchieSonic stories was Ian Flynn, the head writer here. Does he just not give a shit anymore? I doubt that's the problem, since he got a major promotion to be the writer for the games. But I do think the same brainrot that infected the rest of the American media got to him, even if slightly less than some other writers. Also, don't ever look at his Twitter, or you'll see what I'm saying confirmed. He's been turned into a soyboy. Anyway everyone should have a fucking problem with slice of life Sonic. A rare issue here and there? Sure. But it's way too much of the series now, and it's a series about a character literally designed to be the coolest character ever, who is spiky and fast to facilitate quick action. Action should always be the primary focus. And I know we here all know this, but they should be looking at Dragon Ball Z. Yeah, some great filler episodes are slice of life bullshit, like Goku learning to drive, but those are good specifically because they're few and far between, and thus provide a very comedic contrast from the rest of the series.
>>25903 >But all that Sega's been doing for the past 15 years or so is playing it safe and making things as simple and barebones as posible. Isn't that basically what this comic is about?
>>25907 Them attempting to make Forces darker doesn't really amount to anything by itself, you could say there's been a lot of 'darker and edgier' moments in the comic too. The biggest thing they tried to bring to the table with Forces is the OC where they tried really hard to make the player feel like Sonic cares for them as a cheap attempt to charm kids, and they ended up bringing back classic Sonic and boost, so I think it does fit into them trying to play it safe. But yes, I don't think Sega is explicitly interested in and pushing for gardening stories, I think that's just the writers putting their own interests into the comic. >He's been turned into a soyboy >Does he just not give a shit anymore? Why can't it be both? I don't really see any ambition in the comic anymore, do you? >>25908 There's not a single Sonic character in this page. I'm not sure what this is supposed to prove. Perhaps the one where Charmy turns or the one where Shadow turns would be more substantial, but all the same they just took a huge dump all over that arc by making all these plot points and then completely ignoring all of it with that retarded ending that came out of nowhere. Isn't that the same as what the games do? I think this is one of the things that bother me, but there's something else, there's something about how they present all of this that is so thoroughly uninteresting, I'm not sure if it's a lack of nuance or a lack of depth or that world building (and therefore context) feels so tiny despite that it's been so many years or what. Am I crazy?
>>25909 >Them attempting to make Forces darker doesn't really amount to anything by itself, It's that they haven't been "playing it safe" as described. And the comic did do darker and more serious stuff early on, but it's been quite a while. I don't even think the Metal Virus arc is a particularly good example. Flynn and the other writers here just don't get the anime influence that this should all have. >Why can't it be both? I don't really see any ambition in the comic anymore, do you? I think the ambition is to do stupid feminized bullshit. >there's something about how they present all of this that is so thoroughly uninteresting, I'm not sure if it's a lack of nuance or a lack of depth or that world building (and therefore context) feels so tiny despite that it's been so many years or what. Am I crazy? Too much western tumblresque slice of life bullshit, instead of animesque Dragon Ball Z bullshit that the series was based on. Hell, I'll settle for western superheroesque bullshit, like the Archie comics were for a long while. But this? It's the same fundamental stylistic problems that are killing the whole American comic industry, just somewhat subdued. At least here it's only boring and nor outright ragebait.
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>>25898 You know an outlaw Sonic story arc that's as long as the Zombot arc could be really fun. Everyone thinks Sonic has turned bad and most of the restoration is out to get him while Awesome Possum smirks in the shadows while proceeding with his evil plans. Especially you could bring Eggman into it helping Sonic along in an attempt to genuinely turn him or strike a truce with Sonic because Eggman wants to stop Clutch's attempts to take over the world. Or to just torment Sonic in is predicament for his personal amusement. Don't know if Sega would ever go for it though.
>>25913 I don't know if I'd want anything as long as the Zombot arc. And isn't the premise of '90s American Sonic that he was an outlaw? There are three TV shows and hundreds of issues of comics about that. But I suppose you mean one where even his friends think he's an outlaw, and he is lumped in as a bad guy with Eggman. Could be neat, but I'd hope for a better villain for the arc than Clutch. Not sure who would work other than Eggman, though. Sonic isn't a series with that many good villains. They got pretty close to doing this with Archie Sonic two or three times, but only very briefly, so it didn't go very deep on the concept. Naugus and Scourge would be an obvious duo to do this. They're the ones who sort of did it before. But the IDW OCs suck. They're not as bad as the worst Archie OCs, but they're also not as good as the best Archie/SatAM OCs (who I would say are Scourge and Naugus). I suppose Surge ruining Sonic's reputation so she can steal his role as hero would be interesting. I'd like that arc. I feel like perhaps she is not the mastermind type, and someone else would be orchestrating things and just letting her play a part. But Clutch taking over the world? He doesn't feel like that type of character either. Maybe the way I'd do it is to have Eggman actually be the one to orchestrate it, by manipulating Surge and Kit in a way where even they don't understand that he's the one behind it. Maybe Clutch and others can then try to move in and take advantage of the situation, but I really don't think he's good enough to be the primary villain for such a big arc like that. Also, if Kit is involved, that means Tails is going along with Sonic, and that might make it less cool. I sort of like the idea of even Tails going against Sonic, or at least not being able to openly tag along and be his sidekick anymore. Plus, I just don't think Kit is a terribly interesting character, but that could change if further stories explored him a bit more. I'd use this arc to get rid of the whole Restoration thing. I hate the idea of Sonic being part of the government. I don't like The Kingdom of Acorn being so important, but I hate it even more with the very commie-seeming "Resistance" and "Restoration." The group was made to fight Eggman when he took over. Fine. But then they cling to power after beating him. It reeks of commies calling themselves "the revolution" decades after forming the government. And yes, there is also GUN in the games, but at least GUN isn't run by Amy and a bunch of female furry OCs. It's much less connected to Sonic and other main characters, except for Team Dark, but the precise point of them is that they're a bit morally gray, and GUN is shown to be a flawed organization, unlike The Restoration. So Sonic being made an outlaw would be a great way to show The Restoration as flawed. They all get hoodwinked, and are happy to have Surge swoop in and be their new hero. Tails and Amy would be more hesitant to actually believe everything, but they don't have enough evidence to actually change the minds of everyone else. Jewel, Tangle, Whisper, Lanolin, Belle, and the rest of the OCs can all be tricked, though. They haven't known Sonic as long, and since they're OCs, it's not as weird if they're not Sonic's friends anymore. They're also the actual leaders of The Restoration and its chief military force, so it's their opinions of Sonic that would matter. I guess at the beginning of the story, even though Tails and Amy don't fully believe it, they aren't fully convinced of Sonic's innocence, either, but then after actually meeting him (presumably in a fight, because that's what you do), they get won over. But even then they can only help him in secret, as Jewel and the others tell them that if they seriously choose to ally with Sonic, then they're outlaws as well. Maybe Surge doesn't even set out to be the hero, but just to fight Sonic. But since Sonic is designated bad, she becomes the hero. Maybe she believed Sonic was the bad guy at first, though she would have fought him regardless, and was just happy to have the opportunity. I suppose I'd add a bit where she almost starts to legitimately like being a hero, but I wouldn't go so far as to actually make her into a good guy. They wouldn't do that with Scourge. It would make her too much like Shadow, which she already is anyway, since if you remove the alt-universe aspect from Scourge, he's already just Shadow. So maybe she gets tempted toward good, but in the end her bitterness gets the better of her. Really she was just doing it for her own glory, or even more, just to hurt Sonic and everyone else. Even once she finds out Sonic is being framed, she's happy to run with it and keep making things worse for him. As you mentioned, Eggman trying to mess with Sonic and win him over to the dark side would be very cool. He can ruin Sonic's reputation, but that's only one step to truly breaking his spirit, which is the real goal. Not just his spirit, but everybody's. He successfully kills the spirit of The Restoration by having them turn on Sonic. Or perhaps all he really did was show that the initial spirit that birthed the organization had already been killed by its own bureaucracy and the flaws of the individuals in it. But Sonic's unbreakable spirit, seen as he beats Eggman and Scourge, causes them to eventually see these flaws, and allow The Restoration to dissolve, with only smaller regional governments which have alliances and agreements for defense against Eggman and the like. This is precisely what Sonic the Comic did when Eggman's world empire was defeated. It makes more sense because Sonic is all about freedom, and having a big military government run by him and his friends is fucking weird. At least Amy doesn't work for GUN, and the president isn't some furry girl OC. That's even weirder than having Sonic be casual friends with George Bush. It's not that Sonic would even be against the idea, or that he'd have anything against Jewel, it's just that the organization being the central premise of the comic doesn't make thematic sense. Plus, it's not like GUN has been important in a very long time. If they were gonna have some big military government, at least use the one from the games. Because oh yeah, Sonic already was an outlaw. All we're talking about is Sonic Adventure 2. But I suppose Sonic being an outlaw stops being important pretty early in that game. So an arc about it would still be cool.
>>25913 >Eggman wants to stop Clutch's attempts to take over the world Honestly, Eggman's intervention in the arc was so far probably the best part of it, so I wouldn't mind seeing more Eggman vs. Clutch.
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>>25920 >the Babylon Rogues are smarter that Tangle Like why would she think that it's anything other than Sonic is trying to stop some villain's plan? The only other reasonable considerations would be >Sonic has been brain washed or >It's actually an evil duplicate of Sonic
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>>25921 Oh man this ended up a fun issue. I still hate Mimic though.
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>>25929 That's all for today
Before I start, I just want to thank you storytime anon for keeping us updated. You're a real one for that. Now that that's out of the way, what do you guys think is going to happen to this comic in the future? Evidently, IDW is going down the drain, and most likely it will inevitably go bankrupt. Do you think SEGA is going to continue the comic with another publisher? Personally I think they should try and work on another anime series (Because boom and prime weren't really all that great) and make Sonic comics into manga. Even if the series isn't so profitable in Japan, it will probably definitely be overseas. I also just want Sonic to return fully to shounen shit instead of having uwu wholesome tumblr/twitter slice of life. Slice of life is good but the way they do it with the IDW comics is pretty stale. Not going to complain about it too much though since if Sega let the people working on it entirely their way it would be much worse.
>>25931 >Before I start, I just want to thank you storytime anon for keeping us updated. You're a real one for that. This. It's pretty much the only Sonic media I consume at this point since it's posted here and given my lack of time. Haven't been able to sit down and read the latest issue yet but I've been meaning to.
>>25931 >>25932 Thirded. Anyway, at this point I honestly think that IDW going down would be for the best. It feels like they're running out of story ideas, and also like whoever's assigned to manage them is struggling to keep them in line (e.g. Tails suddenly being fanatically obsessed with a flower contest). Just let IDW wrap up the current story arc, which will probably also wrap up every plot thread that they haven't forgotten about, and then start fresh with a new comic.
>>25926 Clutch keeps making friends. I wonder who will be the one to take him down. >>25928 >surge getting a hug from kit feels kinda OOC. >>25928 I really like these exaggerated expressions they've been giving Amy lately. They feel in character and they're fun. >>25931 >Evidently, IDW is going down the drain, and most likely it will inevitably go bankrupt I remember reading that they weren't doing great like years ago, but haven't heard anything else ever since. Did anything bad happen recently? >Do you think SEGA is going to continue the comic with another publisher? It's funny because I imagine that they could do that if they learned anything from Archie, but most likely I imagine they'd just ditch it all and start over like they always do, which is why the franchise is so god damn fragmented. That said it seems the direction they're taking at least for now is the opposite, I think they started doing merch of the IDW OCs so it seems they want this part of the franchise to grow instead of ditching it. >Personally I think they should try and work on another anime series (Because boom and prime weren't really all that great) and make Sonic comics into manga I've always wanted another anime series super bad, but I'd be concerned that they'd fuck it up like they always do. It was frustrating that the first attempt after a decade at a Sonic animation was so misguided, and the one after that wasn't any less so. I still would like regular comics to stay given that they've always been there and they've been a part of Sonic related imageboard culture since the very beginning, plus I've enjoyed them. Not sure how a Sonic manga would be like, I've never really read manga and I don't think Sonic's ever had one outside of the very early one with Amy. >>25933 >Just let IDW wrap up the current story arc, which will probably also wrap up every plot thread that they haven't forgotten about, and then start fresh with a new comic. I wonder how the fanbase would react. I wonder how Ian would react kek
>>25934 >That said it seems the direction they're taking at least for now is the opposite, I think they started doing merch of the IDW OCs so it seems they want this part of the franchise to grow instead of ditching it. Then again I guess there was the case of Boom which was a lot more ambitious and was completely erased from existence.
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>>25934 >Clutch keeps making friends. I wonder who will be the one to take him down. Probably Amy. They shoehorned in that incredibly awkward foreshadowing of it a while back, after the part where Clutch inexplicably decided to kidnap Belle, leave her on the premises, and oversee the whole event in person. He could've just arranged for her to be busy elsewhere, like he did before with Knuckles and the Chaotix. He could've been elsewhere to establish an alibi while his minions handled the dirty work, or just worn a disguise or some concealing clothing. Or maybe Clutch, notorious collector of Eggman tech, could have taken Belle, rare and unusual piece of Eggman tech, to some secure facility somewhere. Instead, he personally led his goons over to her, had them shove her into a nearby locker, and called it a day. Then Amy heard Belle mention "a guy in a coat" and immediately knew exactly who it was. This isn't quite as bad as Sonic ending up in another world without his memories and immediately getting fixed and shoved back into the main story, or Silver finally saving the future and then getting shoved back into the story without the writers even bothering to come up with a reason for it, but it's still disappointing.
>>25931 >I also just want Sonic to return fully to shounen shit instead of having uwu wholesome tumblr/twitter slice of life. This. It doesn't answer your question for what I think will happen in the future, I honestly have no idea, but I want this to happen. If IDW does go under, Sega might keep Flynn around, and maybe without the influence of Stanley and the rest of the IDW crew, he might go back to the more action adventure type things he's done in the past. He was never really shounen style, and that is what I want, but old Flynn style was pretty good, too. >>25933 >and then start fresh with a new comic. It doesn't need to be a whole new comic, though. I mean if they were going to do more comics, even not by IDW, Sega would probably want to treat them the same, canon to the games. They'd be direct sequels. IDW could do that, changing up the style a bit but keeping the continuity. That would be ideal. Actually, my ideal would be if they merged all the continuities together so everything could be canon, and later stories could reference all past material. But that's asking a lot, and would require a lot of autism and yet another Crisis on Infinite Earths ripoff (which Archie already did like one and a half times). And I don't think Sega wants any of the old series back, understandably. But in the hands of a good writer, with a bit of restraint (maybe even Flynn, if Sega restrained him properly), it would be cool to see old characters come back. I mean it was fun in late Archie to see Scratch and Grounder again. I'd like more stuff like that. >>25934 >I remember reading that they weren't doing great like years ago, but haven't heard anything else ever since. Did anything bad happen recently? They just keep losing sales and losing licenses (and their whole model revolves around licensed products). They also don't have the model Marvel and DC have, where it's a shared universe so if someone reads Superman they're likely to read Batman. Just because you read Sonic doesn't mean you'll read Ninja Turtles. So even if one IDW comic does very very well, the rest might not. >Not sure how a Sonic manga would be like, I've never really read manga and I don't think Sonic's ever had one outside of the very early one with Amy. There are actually a lot of Sonic manga beyond that, too. But all of them, including that one with Amy, are basically short gag stories (or sometimes not even stories), and not the Dragon Ball-esque action adventure that I want. I wish they would do something more like Sonic X Season 3. The first two seasons of that show kind of suck, but Season 3 is great and it's the type of thing they should always be doing. It's a straight ripoff of Dragon Ball GT, but it's on the right track, at least. >>25936 This isn't quite as bad as Sonic ending up in another world without his memories and immediately getting fixed and shoved back into the main story, or Silver finally saving the future and then getting shoved back into the story without the writers even bothering to come up with a reason for it, but it's still disappointing. Naw, it's worse. I was fine with that little amnesia thing just being a short breather story. Could have been better, but whatever. And of course Silver would want to stick around. All his friends are here. But Amy taking down the main villain, when he isn't even particularly connected to her, would bother me. You could theoretically do a good Amy story and have her save the day, but that's not what they're doing here, and frankly, I don't expect the current climate to allow that anyway. You can't have a good Amy story when she isn't allowed to express any character trait other than "tough girl," which was never one of her traits in the first place.
niggers we were just discussing sonic manga and suddenly I come across the news that some sort of new manga about Shadow just got released
>>25943 >>25942 >>25943 To anyone looking at these links, read the second one. It's just a better translation. The first link's translation is pretty fucked up, but I read it first not realizing the second link was literally the same thing but better. Anyway, pretty cool chapter. Has some neat moments. The scientist betraying Shadow, and then it looking like Maria was doing the same, was pretty effective. I'm also interested to see if they do anything with Doom's Eye seemingly being behind the soldier that shoots Maria, or if it's pure visual metaphor. Also, some things feel like contradictions to the game, or at least very close to contradictions. Namely, Shadow already knows and fought The Biolizard, and already knows that he's made from alien DNA. I suppose you could say he just didn't realize The Biolizard was actually the original Shadow, and he just didn't know the alien was Black Doom, but still, this feels like it makes those revelations less significant to Shadow. It sure seemed like he didn't know about either the Biolizard or Black Doom at all, and not just that he didn't know the full extent of their connections with him. I wonder what the next chapter will be, since this seems to have covered the main part of the backstory. I guess it could just cover the actual plot of Sonic Adventure 2. This is really what I wish more Sonic comics were like. This one is of course darker since it's Shadow's backstory, but the point is it takes ideas from the game and then tries to show them with more story-focus, and thus tie together ideas more explicitly, and add some pathos that the game doesn't have time to focus on. It's not just girls doing girly things, like Stanley and Flynn have been doing.
>>25944 >To anyone looking at these links, read the second one. It's just a better translation Thanks for the heads up. I was expecting this to be better honestly. It's kinda funny that after like 20 years the franchise hasn't been able to move to something other than this scene for Shadow.
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>>25950 That's all for today
>>25949 Surge looks cute with her hair quills? down. That toothy smile is adorable too.
This story feels like it's gone on forever. I suppose the break to publish the Fang miniseries didn't help. Anyway I don't like the idea of Surge becoming good. We already have so many evil Sonics that turned good. They're called Knuckles and Shadow. Also, Sonic but not evil is just Sonic. If Scourge had turned into a good guy, he'd have become lame. If anything, Surge should become a lot more evil. That would keep her interesting. But of course we can't have an actually evil female character. That was rare even back in the day. Now? Gotta just have her sit around and eat cupcakes with Tangle and Whisper. That will be so much more interesting.
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IDW Sonic the Hedgehog Annual 2024#
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>>25970 The end!!! Thoughts?
>>25946 It's disappointing that they chose this artificially made up situation that came out of nowhere and had no build up to have Jewel confront Clutch. >>25948 There's this big fight and I have no idea what anyone actually wants. >>25952 That character works a lot better than it has any right to. >>25954 >This story feels like it's gone on forever Maybe, but at least it's gotten a lot more interesting. Yeah, I'm not sure how Surge becoming good would work with her character, but it's kinda tempting to make her turn good nonetheless.
>>25972 >it's kinda tempting to make her turn good nonetheless. Why?
>>25973 Because it's a cool character with an interesting personality and a bad past, so it makes you empathize and care for them and then it's natural to want them to be nice and it's very pleasant when someone with a story like that succeeds in turning their life around.
>>25974 But it's been done too many times and would make the character boring. Would you have wanted Scourge to become good?
>>25975 I was just explaining why it's tempting. I also said I wasn't sure how her character would work in such a scenario. It'd probably water it down a lot.
>>25962 Ah, shit, I thought this was going to be the next issue of the current arc. >>25963 >sonic cycle thing I haven't heard of this in years, they did it on purpose didn't they. >>25966 >to be continued in Sonic 80 <we're on Sonic 73 right now Nigger there's fuck all chance I'm going to remember this shit half a year from now, what's the fucking point? >>25967 It's so weird seeing Whisper acting so out of character. >>25971 The last story was okay I guess. Failed artists are dangerous man.
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>>25978 >I haven't heard of this in years, they did it on purpose didn't they.
>>25975 >>25977 I think you could do an interesting thing where she wants to become a hero but also she continues to hate Sonic and is ready to fight him on sight.
>>25980 That seems to be what they're doing, but even there that's barely different than Knuckles or Shadow. How many times has Knuckles fought Sonic on sight? Like seven or eight just in the games alone. If I was writing the comics from where they are right now, I'd have this arc be that Surge is trying to become good, maybe she has some urge for good inside her, but her hatred for Sonic and spite against the world in general keeps her from realizing that potential. The evil inside her needs to win for the sake of keeping her from being a fucking boring character. I like the concept of the character, because I liked Scourge, but this series really, really doesn't need yet another evil Sonic that turns good. Hell, even Emerl is arguably pretty close to this concept. And the comics and stuff have even more, like Turbo, and I'm sure a few others that I'm forgetting.
>>25975 >>25981 I agree with you anon, I'm sick and tired of Vegeta/Piccolo tier character arcs, too many characters in this series already fit that description.
>>25985 Hell, in Dragon Ball Tenshinhan was that before Piccolo, and Yamcha even earlier. But critically, those characters all became irrelevant jokes. Flynn shouldn't repeat that mistake.
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>>25986 >Tenshinhan More or less >Yamcha No argument here >Piccolo
>>25987 I think you're forgetting just how useless Piccolo became to the plot after training Goten and Trunks to fuse. I'm not saying he isn't the best character, I'm saying that he barely does anything for most of the final arc.
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>>25994 That's all for today!! See you in two months for the conclusion.


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