Try using blood instead and then burn it at a road crossing while shouting "fuck the police".

>>4429 Congratulations on securing the first post best post replies

>>4424 That is how you make a real one. There are ways to charge sigils other than wanking to them however. An important distinction though: you wanna wank TO the thought of your sigil, as opposed to simply jizzing onto it; this means that your energies will be directed towards the sigil, and if you programmed your sigil's intentions properly, then it should have an effect.

>>4433 Personally I like to stare at it until it begins glowing and flashing and then merge my awareness with the energies so the resonance causes them to duplicate in my body, and then expand that pattern outwards.

Somehow I forgot we had the questions thread; guess that's why this got bumplocked. Also, please do post with a flag next time.

>>4438 I seriously doubt OP is sincere and wasn't just hungry for attention via purposeful retardation

>>4464 I'm sincere but I've noticed fringe has the reddit problem where everyone wants to pontificate rather than post actual information, except the reddit gold is imaginary, so my expectations are not high, most threads I've seen here have been gnostic in nature so I doubt I have much to gain here >u-use flags nah

>>4466 >this board is so beneath me that I decided to waste my time making a completely pointless thread on it just because Case in point.

>>4467 I am sure I have plenty to learn from the posters here on /fringe/, but I have more to gain from actually asking things that I would like to know than prostrating myself before you as your redditor ego would desire >Well if you don't suck our collective appendages we wont answer you If such a thing offends you so greatly then you - the individual - never had anything worthwhile to share at all, did you?

>>4466 >I've noticed fringe has the reddit problem And you couldn't notice the USE THE QUESTION THREAD text at the top while scrolling through? >rather than post actual information Use the book threads or the sticky then faggot. Asking for sigils is such a noob question you could even google it ffs. This is why no one considers you sincere. >except the reddit gold is imaginary This is the most retarded sentence I heard in my life. Bet you respect people with high amount of karma points no matter what they say. >most threads I've seen here have been gnostic Compared to what? None of us fear le ebil demiurge like the average gnostic. Which tradition would make you jizz yourself? Satanism Buddhism or Shintoism? >>4473 >I have more to gain from actually asking things USE THE QUESTION THREAD THEN >>14 AND ASK AWAY >prostrating myself That "rule" was not to make others prostate but to not disrupt proper threads... We have too many useless threads already. If you used the question thread you would have gotten a serious reply instead a meme replies because everyone knew this thread will get anchored. But if you are not even aware of the basics of sigil magic then yes you really won't gain much here. You should use /x/ instead.

>>4485 You're right, I didn't use the questions thread because I didn't see it, big whoop, your post confirms that you have nothing to offer but intellectual masturbation >I don't understand that I am being mocked for my perceived intellectual superiority >Entire post is just being angry that someone came to his special l33t board without dancing just for him Do you know anything of value or is this board just another gay larp full of schizophrenics that only know how to make themselves 10% more likely to get a job interview?

>>4505 >your post confirms that you have nothing to offer but intellectual masturbation https://magickalspot.com/how-to-use-sigils/ Here the first result yahoo gave me then faggot. I don't even get what else you require. It is the basic of all basics. >someone came to his special l33t board without dancing just for him No I was mad that you didn't use the question thread then pretended how you know the entire fringe like you are here for weeks and how you are demeaning everyone and ignore even the useful posts within the thread. >Do you know anything of value What is even "value" to you and what makes you think you are my "customer" you faggot. >10% more likely to get a job interview? I don't think you understand schizophrenics at all.

>>4513 >You are demeaning to everyone by not respecting their superiority kek

>>4519 Do you want to learn o rjust to annoy everyone? Also no one is "superior" here. Respect is basic courtesy. This is why everyone considers you insincere.

>>4521 I asked a question, the nature of asking a question is that you perceive that responses may be of value, a simple open question receives a more useful response - especially important with regard to the esoteric in which on two people may agree on anything - all of this is a form of respect which your posts at least have shown you do not deserve What you are calling courtesy boils down to a social dynamic game involving one party taking the role of student and the other of teacher, I have described this as dancing for your ego, as that is what it is At no point have you shown me anything that makes me feel like "Yes, I should listen to this person", yet you demand I take this role in my dealings with you, why? This is my most earnest attempt at being as you describe "sincere", from my perspective it is more than is deserved, I hope you will understand this

>>4526 Okay and did you read the link I sent you? Making sigils has an infinite depth. First you will do the basic bitch sigil magic that is detailed on the web all around. It will take years because you need to learn what is intent and how energy works and how you can charge anything with it if you have zero experience with spirituality so far. Then there are the "runes" or "glyphs" that are more potent but you won't make them from the get go. Also I have no idea why you care about this ego dance. You got your answer how to deal with sigils. Go and learn that. This is like asking how to turn on the computer tier question and I am unsure what else I should tell you.

>>4528 Whenever I speak to people in paranormal communities I find this strange phenomenon where a lack of knowledge in one area is taken as a lack of knowledge in all areas I asked my question because A: I do not typically create sigils B: I have noticed a difference between commentary on the internet and sigils that actually work C: I had believed /fringe/ to be a place of above average levels of intelligence >but but but you should have made your OP less retarded >It is your fault I am too spiritually retarded to judge things beyond a surface level I am so tired of talking to normals

>>4530 >hurr durr I am writing retarded why am I getting treated as a retard this is not fair clearly everyone is retarded but me and I am clearly tired of talking with retards >I had believed /fringe/ to be a place of above average levels of intelligence Why was it hard to ask in the question thread instead of doing a jack off sigil joke with a low effort anime pic then if you are so intelligent?

>>4521 >Is objectively retarded, unable to enter thread without attempting to soapbox about their own superiority >Gee whiz I'm so tired of retards Dunning krueger >why I did not take the effort to see it >You can't just respect your own intelligence without making a word salad OP so that you seem smarter than you are My OP described the question I hoped to answer, the picture is funny, I'd prefer to do this than wank off about how dunning kreuger I am

>>4535 > I did not take the effort to see it I have no idea how to give you any advice that you will take the effort to consider. This is like telling someone to push the big button on the computer to turn it on then they yell STOP MANSPLAINING TO ME AND CHECK YOUR PRIVILEGE Sigil magic is extremely simple and I don't know what else I should tell you besides the basics that are everywhere

>>4538 Well you could start by answering the question in the OP: why do you think some sigils work significantly better than others, despite not following the rules the internet and many books claim they need to follow, preferably without saying "muh egregore" about things very few people know about >Well I just don't know how to answer that in a way you'll take the effort to read Well that's ok, you've already told me that you're retarded so maybe someone else can take a shot at answering this question

>>4540 >>Well I just don't know how to answer that in a way you'll take the effort to read Reading and comprehending is 2 different things. And you skipped through the big text how you should ask in the question thread then pretended how you know everything about fringe already >why do you think some sigils work significantly better than others Answering this would take a book that you are not willing to read. All sigils depend on the ability of the magician and how well they can form intent and charge it. If you don't know what is intent or the way you can charge sigil I don't know what else I should tell you because you clearly lack the vocab. Sorry I lost my patience 5 posts ago to have a clear enough mind to explain things further. >someone else can take a shot at answering this question Enjoy waiting for them to appear. I don't think anyone will be able to talk to you because you will just nitpick on everything they say. You still appear as a troll instead of a genuine seeker of truth. You are bumplocked for a reason

>>4545 >I-I could answer this b-but I wont >I will now call you retarded Yes I know that you are retarded, you've spent the entire thread saying as much, I acknowledged that I should have posted this in the questions thread a few times already, that's about the only thing I've done "wrong" >It would take an entire book anon >I am supremely intelligent Dunning kreuger, you don't know anything about it

>>4546 Do you know what is intent and what it means to charge things? You talk about everything but about the sigils ffs. I cannot measure your level and what you fucking don't understand about sigils. This way we won't get anywhere

>>4545 Also >Y-you wont take the effort to read it >Doesnt take the effort to read how my curiosity is about how some sigils do not follow these rules >continues to post the same rules these sigils break >I am supremely intelligent >>4547 Yes, my entire curiosity is that this does not seem to apply to particular sigils that despite being relatively unknown and thus unlikely to be egregores, seem to take an energy of their own

>>4548 >that despite being relatively unknown and thus unlikely to be egregores, seem to take an energy of their own The goetia sigils runes or the kind are like different realms of existence. Like a magical plane or space with specific energies. You will have to match their frequencies or you cannot use them. They are like QR codes that you cannot access if you don't have internet with enough bandwidth. As you "charge them" they actually "activate" and the energies from other realms overtake them if they accept your energy good or compatible enough with theirs. Egregores can refer to many things same with sigils. Walmart has an egregore so does Valhalla but they are not the same. There are the base sigils that you make by "hiding meaning in them" then you charge it with your intent then forget it so it stays deep within your subconscious and makes changes with the "law of attraction". Then there are the sigils that connect you to specific realms powers/blessings or entities and for them you need to reach a compatibility because they do not originate from you. They require an energetic rapport between the parties. Please write down what you don't understand so I can give further explanation of the details

>>4549 This makes sense for sigils relating to entities because they are giving the sigils power, what makes less sense is when random sigils gain this on their own, we can say that entities are giving them power somehow but when I've come across this it's always been some unexplained phenomenon

>>4551 >what makes less sense is when random sigils gain this on their own They don't, you are connecting them accidentally with egregores or archetypes unknown to modern culture.

>>4553 Im sure that explanation would work with a viewpoint that aligns with an idea of "collective unconscious" but it's not something I agree with personally, so this explanation is lacking for me

One thing to note: "charging the sigil" with intent that isn't expressed in the form of the sigil is BS nonsense. People who do that have no idea what they are doing. It's like you are writing the word "BULL" and charging it with "cat" and expecting people to read "cat" when it says "BULL". Instead you just make the sigil express it all, then meditated on the form and focus on the form until the intent you already placed into it starts echoing back and forth and creates a circulation within which then pressed outwards into the world.

>>4551 >what makes less sense is when random sigils gain this on their own This is where the "I need to write a book" starts but I will try making it short. Spirits are everywhere. They are all different. For them sigils writings and many creations of the living are peculiar. They "fall in love" with the sigil or consider it as a "command" the same way you get an erection if you see a naked female or follow quests in MMOs. Sigils have a "base energy" and the "background energy of the environment" can also charge it besides the occultist. Truth is the changes the sigil does comes from the passive manipulation of the background energies it interacts. Imagine it like an electromagnet that attracts metal if it has enough energy then puts it into your "lap" when it have enough. The base energies are in some cases are incompatible or "disgusting" to spirits so it won't do much. Then there is the case when ancient sigils becomes widely used by many people and they make the energies disgusting or incompatible so it cannot fulfill it's original function anymore. You mentioned Dunning Krueger but the way I see it in spirituality there are many "Mount stupids" that you will have to climb and fall down so you can deepen your knowledge with experience >>4553 And this. Sigils in some cases connect to different realms as they are trying to "Match frequencies" and they connect to the "next best thing" if they still have the energy. And there is the case when entities "hijack" sigils because it causes them problems so they either destroy deactivate it or change the base energies so they don't bother them anymore. >>4554 It's as collective as earth can be called a collective of all humans. There are continents islands and oceans. It's not as connected as you might think >>4555 Nice trips. I think everyone should charge sigils with matching intents. And the "Intent" can be a way the energy flows. So if I charge a fire sigil with water it can be interpreted the way I want my energies to "flow into the sigil" so it's not water but like gasoline for the fire. But yes that is retarded. I don't think many does it that way

>>4554 It has nothing to do with agreeing or not. It's like you are using a herb saying "it has magical qualities" but without you knowing it there's an active substance which could be isolated that gives the effect. If you are able to isolate it, you can then apply it better than if it's contained in the herb. But you are saying: "I don't agree with the world view that there are active substances in herbs so I'll just not learn this and instead ask noob questions forever". Sigils have meaning because they represent real things. That's all.

>>4558 I'm asking for curiosities sake, so the viewpoint matters to me, a universal unconscious aligns with an all encompassing one, which I have found to be untrue and thus rejected (total gnostic death), but I don't like to approach things from the perspective that everyone needs to agree with me, which is why I said there is nothing wrong with what you have said, even if I do not agree with it >>4556 This is an interesting perspective, so you are saying that if a sigil does this it has likely been found by a spirit somehow? >It's as collective I just do not subscribe to spiritual communism, we interact but interacting is not the same as being one with all

>>4562 >a universal unconscious aligns with an all encompassing one, which I have found to be untrue and thus rejected (total gnostic death) I don't know where you are reading this into my post, I personally detest gnostics and want nothing to do with them, because their egregore is cancer. Not because I don't agree with it.

>>4562 >I just do not subscribe to spiritual communism, we interact but interacting is not the same as being one with all How does having shared archetypes mean it's communism? What is language?

>>4563 It's that too, I wasn't accusing you of being a gnostic, but all beliefs in that vein elude to being a part of an all encompassing "one", like a monad, sacrificing individuality for some gay return to the womb Collective unconsciousness is kind of a part of that, even without the gnostic tilt >>4564 Archetypes are a clear observable thing, but it doesn't make sense that we are the archotype, rather than ourselves, rather that individuals have a tendency to fall into moulds, it's just a disagreement I have with a particular set of worldviews Also >Spiritual communism = there is no you, you are a part of some greater being, the egregore of whatever big gay religion you choose

Let's pretend we are talking about programming instead. Let's say we have a reference called "GOD1" and it refers to an object in memory at address "123". Everyone uses GOD1 for 700 years and it's a well known religious object. Then people stop using it and the reference GOD1 is removed, everyone forgets it existed but the object at memory address "123" is still there! Now accidentally you are messing about and you access this object not knowing what it is because it wasn't removed by garbage collection. This just means it's still there but no one remembers it, and can't access it anymore. This is what your accidental sigil does.

>>4566 >Spiritual communism = there is no you, you are a part of some greater being, the egregore of whatever big gay religion you choose I think only hinduism has that.

>>4567 Kek, ok

>>4562 >if a sigil does this it has likely been found by a spirit somehow? Yes that can happen >It's as collective I just do not subscribe to spiritual communism, we interact but interacting is not the same as being one with all It's more complex than that. Just because a river flows at the bottom of a mountain that doesn't mean the river is the mountain even tho they are on the same planet (collective). The collective unconscious is not as easy to navigate as you might think. Also forgot the idea of communism in spirituality. It's more complex than that. >>4563 >I personally detest gnostics and want nothing to do with them, because their egregore is cancer Same. I don't know why we think we are gnostics. Like freemasons can be considered gnostics too but I bet they won't call themselves such. >>4566 >sacrificing individuality for some gay return to the womb It's more complex than that. You cannot completely "sacrifice your individuality" that is a nonsense. There are layers of individuality and many illusions of the self. Your genetics your personality your soul your higher self your guardian spirits there are many forms. Just because a fish is in the ocean that doesn't mean it IS the ocean but you can say it's one with the ocean. But if a non salt water fish ends up in the ocean it dies because it's incompatible with it. >>4568 >I think only hinduism has that. ... No

>>4569 But do you understand?

>>4570 >we think *he thinks

>>4568 If you read the literal descriptions in Christianity heaven is basically proximity to god in becoming one with this weird cloudy place (the true form of god) Abrahamic religions are full of this crap and their adherents MUST have you agree with it, freemasonry shills it constantly as well, it's reached a point where I think this world is for them in that they finally get what they want and everyone else can go somewhere else >>4570 >It's complex The direction I understand it from is that we are individuals interacting with each other, I reject the idea that we are all a part of the same being and have never had a reason to reconsider >Gnostics/freemasons This will be the second time I say I wasn't accusing you of being them, simply of holding beliefs vaguely similar, freemasons are absolutely gnostics Your post does seem to be approaching things from the "you must believe we are all one" angle however, if I am being honest >>4571 What you've said in relation to code? sure, it is as good an explanation as any, it fits with how I understand things, I'm not sure it's the only explanation, but I have little doubt that what you describe occurs

>>4573 >If you read the literal descriptions in Christianity heaven is basically proximity to god in becoming one with this weird cloudy place No that is an oversimplification >(the true form of god) God has no forms he is everywhere. In Kabbalah it becomes far more complex and how angelic domains operate. "Heaven" is just a place with pure chi and virtue. They can appear as clouds and generate light. >The direction I understand it from is that we are individuals interacting with each other Yes and that interaction makes us into a "greater whole" like how every grain of sand creates an island or a continent. As your energetic awareness awakens you will be able to see the connection between people and how they make friends couples families groups nations. That is how egregores manifest on the metaphysical. Then you can leverage their power with different sigils but it depends how well you connect to them. >freemasons are absolutely gnostics Urgh. So if anyone holds similar beliefs then they are the "same people"? I am not picking a fight here but you will have to see how many faiths and religions will hold similar themes and beliefs and the common disagreements come from mainstream theologist. Mainstream gnostics are a joke and their ideas do not originate from them. They are more ancient truths that they tried to water down to their level many times through history. >"you must believe we are all one" angle however, if I am being honest I don't know what you mean here but please try to limit the conversation about questions you have about sigils or we will go offtrack again and start shitflinging without noticing. Most of the things we talk about you will have to confirm with your experience. It is not a "belief" we are trying to "sell you". You will have to see it on your own.

>>4573 This whole thing about "if it's not regular christianity it's gnosticism" is pretty annoying and limiting. What I don't like with Gnosticism: today it's easy to see that gnosticism was created by people who had some minor access to early kabbalistic works, maybe they never read them first hand because Jews kept them hidden, maybe they heard 2nd 3rd or 4th hand descriptions of common manuscripts. Then someone wrote it down and tried to fit it into Christianity while erasing all obvious ties to Judaism, because they weren't allowed to keep those where they lived. This is gnosticism. It's easy to see when we today have access to the original works and can see them with clarity. It's just ripped off Jewish Kabbalah pretending to be Christianity, and no one understands it, they are just repeating mind virus phrases like "as above so below" that means nothing. What they really mean is "god created humans in his image" but they mystified it to oblivion.

>>4574 well like I said the idea of all being one does not fit with my experiences so what you are saying really does feel like a sales pitch =/ >>4575 Kabbalah itself is one of those things that is self confirming in an unpleasant way, looking for the signs leads to seeing them when they are not there, kabbalah in my opinion is tantamount to schizophrenia, I've not found anything of value there

>>4575 >erasing all obvious ties to Judaism It doesn't always originate from Judaism and this is the problem. There were always ancient cults with small circles that realized and utilized a truth and taught to a very selected people. And those truths leaked somehow and as it reached the public a watered down version was born. Truth is early "gnostics" and similar faiths tried to appear as Christian as possible to evade persecution. The church seen through them how they are just trying to teach their "heretic sorcery" and banned them. Then a new gnostic version that tried to appear more christian appeared several times like Valentinianism The understanding of Kabbalah also went through changes through the ages. Ygddrasil is similar and there were other early tribes that knew of the life tree. Pagan traditions mostly got destroyed and integrated into christianity. Even most Hebrew truths are "reinvented" in the past 200 years and not as ancient as many thinks in mainstream occultism

>>4577 The freemasons are essentially a gateway to the Essenes, it *is* all Judaism, right down to the need to destroy competing thought, we MUST feed their egregore, and personally I can't stand it

>>4576 >what you are saying really does feel like a sales pitch =/ This is my problem with you. If I say it in a way that I "trigger you" then you lump me in with some spiritual communists that try to sell you something. >I said the idea of all being one does not fit with my experiences You will have far more experiences and your death will be one of that experience. I don't know how you will see the world now or later. >I've not found anything of value there ... The Kabbalah will have to accept you. This is like not finding any worth in a closed store. >>4578 AND WHO THE FUCK CARES. Try to ask about sigils and not nitpick about everything else. You complained how this place is opinionated then now I have to listen to your opinions about everything that is not related to the sigils.

>>4579 >My problem with you is that you do not agree with me >Who the fuck cares, stay on topic The topic is what caused this conversation - the best thing about the chans and open questions like I asked is that conversations begin organically and you learn about what and how people think - I might not agree with everything you have said but I find it valuable and enjoy reading it, please manage to be a part of a conversation without throwing a tantrum

>>4578 Do you have any idea where does "Judaism" come from? What spirits Solomon worked with? What they learned why they were prisoners in Babylon? >>4580 >please manage to be a part of a conversation without throwing a tantrum If you derail the conversation all the time you will declare how you didn't find anything value here again. And now you are lecturing on chan culture while you were literally saying how you are unwilling to be part of any culture because that is ego dance Now you be part of the conversation by coming for the thing you asked about instead trying to appear to be a well poisoning glowie by calling every magical tradition jewish

>>4580 Not to mention freemasons have a fetish where they are teaching the wrong interpretation of the sigils to the lower initiates and only the higher degree masons "know the truth" and the symbols are leeching energy from everyone that doesn't know how to use and interpret those symbols. If we go into freemasonry then we will stay here forever why you won't learn about sigils anything useful at all

>>4582 >why you won't learn about sigils anything useful at all while you won't learn about sigils anything useful at all

>>4579 Also >The kabbalah will have to accept you It's entirely possible this is true, I find it more likely however that it is a self confirming belief system leading to a form of schizophrenia, similar to TempleOS' god words The great thing about opinions is we all have them, me feeling this way does not force you to agree, talking about it means we both learn >>4581 I've found heaps of value once you settled down, we had another anon show up as well, ask your mother for some tendies and calm down and maybe we can continue, you will have to accept that I may not agree with what you say 100% however, and that you do not need my approval to believe what you believe >Do you have any idea where Judaism comes from Supposedly "god" gives Solomon a ring, and talks to him >Do you know why they were prisoners in babylon I do not know, I've never thought about it particularly hard What I do know is that Solomon is referred to as the greatest mage in history, despite never doing a thing in his own power, which I find interesting >>4582 >>4583 Well this serves them by allowing them to better hide something in plain sight, the bigger picture is that all these religions are feeding a jewish egregore

>>4584 >however that it is a self confirming belief system leading to a form of schizophrenia "Magic" is a form of schizophrenia you faggot >The great thing about opinions is we all have them YOU LITERALLY CALLED PLACES FULL WITH OPINIONS AND WITHOUT INFORMATION IS REDDIT >me feeling this way does not force you to agree It is not about "agreeing" it is about conceptual bridging. YOu need to be aware of one concept to be able to understand a concept that it relates to it. >talking about it means we both learn No only you found minor insights while still not knowing how to do a basic sigil magic at all. You didn't learn anything meaningful so far and the only thing I am learning how to temper myself when I talk with blockheads >ask your mother for some tendies See? This is why you are incorrigible. You are just not willing to stay on topic and bring everything into the conversation. You do not seek information you seek to test your opinions >you will have to accept that I may not agree with what you say 100% however Like staying on topic instead of making an opinionated mess of a slop of spiritual topics? You are shitting on kabbalists while bringing the discussion down to mundane schizo level. >Supposedly "god" gives Solomon a ring, and talks to him And every other prophet was meaningless in this equation? >What I do know is that Solomon is referred to as the greatest mage in history For the jews. There are far more traditions with great mages especially on the east because christianity didn't have the chance to erase them >despite never doing a thing in his own power Humility is key and how God ordains everything. Shooting fireballs is meaningless if you can command an army >the bigger picture is that all these religions are feeding a jewish egregore stop being a kike for a second please... The freemasons mimic Egyptian traditions that was "kikewashed". Then created their own tradition in the process as they managed to find other magic practicioners into their circles and this is why lodges in different countries differ on some methodologies

>>4576 >Kabbalah itself is one of those things that is self confirming in an unpleasant way, looking for the signs leads to seeing them when they are not there You don't seem to know anything about Kabbalah, what you are talking about has nothing to do with it. Try here https://www.chabad.org/library/article_cdo/aid/1718600/jewish/Kabbalah-Chassidism-and-Jewish-Mysticism.htm and the book posted here: >>1104 >simple kabbalah It's a method for bible reading, what you describe is what people are doing today in Christianity. Most of its doctrine has no support in the text if you actually read it yourself. >>4577 >It doesn't always originate from Judaism and this is the problem. No, but they have been gatekeeping esoteric texts for 2000 years.

>>4586 >No, but they have been gatekeeping esoteric texts for 2000 years. The problem with every esoteric text that it is "schizo nonsense" for those who cannot read them or absolutely uninitiated and because of that preserving it is almost impossible if you don't have a tight knit group that is not letting in retards so they can torch their stuff because they work with demons or just too lazy to respect and nurture their esoteric circle. Gatekeping is not just elitism for power. There are still truly gatekept traditions that are not part of the mainstream in any way. If you can find them then it's usually "meant to be"

>>4586 Also some entities are making a "blood pact" with the members of the circle and the magic can be passed down only to blood relatives. It is more about genetic compatibility because not all magic is possible to be weld by every retard in existence. This is the problem with many sigils and symbols. If you cannot generate the matching energy that activates it then it is impossible to use.

>>4585 >Magic isn't real Magic is real but you can use a psychological understanding if you'd like >Le reddit No I called high horse soapboxing (like you're doing now) reddit >You havent learned! I've learned what you believe and a valid basis for what I was curious about, I just don't agree with you 100% and this makes you mad I suppose >Small joke about tendies >Hah, this means you want to confirm your bias lol what? >In the east There are a bunch of other mages in the west as well, and the zagrean mystery cult existed >Something about humility and surrender to god is power You've lost me completely with this one, abrahamics have the brains of niggers >Stop being a kike by lamenting kike control of spiritual ideas Are you a glownigger? >>4586 I'll read your link when the migraine passes but I hold little hope >jews gatekeeping the esoteric Yeah, they contort them as well to match specific ideas they have >>4587 most esoteric texts and ideas are perfectly coherent, there's only a few that I would describe as schizophrenic, and these are the non-falsifiable ones, because they lead to you seeing connections that aren't there in a way that damages your life, most esoteric learning will improve your life

>>4589 >I've learned what you believe You didn't learn what I believe at all. This was like saying I am living in a house then saying you know where I live >and this makes you mad I suppose No I am mad because you didn't learn anything about sigils at all and just talk about anything. We could talk about USA politics or the weather in sweden if we are this level >There are a bunch of other mages in the west as well ORLY >You've lost me completely with this one No you lost the original purpose of this thread already. This is a let's talk about entry level /x/ shit while you don't know how to do basic sigil magic at all >Stop being a kike by lamenting kike control of spiritual ideas No you nigger. I told you to stop calling every magical tradition a kike invention with your retarded and ignorant bias >I'll read your link when the migraine passes but I hold little hope NO YOU GO AND STUDY INSTEAD OF WASTING TIME FFS this is unproductive and you still don't know the basics of sigil magic. Why not go back to /x/? It has far more users with far more conversation on this level >most esoteric texts and ideas are perfectly coherent You literally called Kabbalah schizophrenic. Name at least 3 coherent text because you are clearly not reading them >there's only a few that I would describe as schizophrenic Then you should read more >because they lead to you seeing connections that aren't there in a way that damages your life Magic is all about seeing and utilizing the invisible. We went back talking about vague things. But you are right. I was in the wrong for trying to help you. What even was the point of this thread because it is definitely not how to make sigils We could talk about cars too because their emblems are like sigils and how they are run by kike investors.

>>4588 > It is more about genetic compatibility This is so true, based on what I learned more recently. You have to literally incarnate into certain lines to access some things, or you will die if you try to learn it. Too many people don't understand this.

>>4590 >What even was the point of this thread because it is definitely not how to make sigils He already said in the OP that he knows how to make sigils but isn't going to use that method, instead he wants le better shortcut because it's too troublesome to follow a 10 min wiccan youtube vid explaining how to draw a sigil when your attention span is 20 seconds.

>>4590 >This guy can't get anything from vague conversations Well I got a lot from it thank you, I never claimed to be unable to make a sigil, you are the one who came to that conclusion, I had a specific question and it was answered I dont believe in your jewish fairy tales, but you are free to, if you want to follow the pattern that leads to you becoming one with their god go and learn why that is such a bad idea for yourself, screeching at me accomplishes literally nothing >>4592 I wanted to know why some sigils do not follow typical rules for sigils, thank you for answering me to the best of your ability

Now let me be real nice here and post this https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jVV1Jx3rmX8 which I looked up just now. This was the instruction I used for how to create sigils. >inb 4 it's a lesbian witch it can't work yada yada Then I have nothing more to say, since this is where I started and I have since summoned and contracted several demon guides from the Goetia by reading their sigils and performing a basic summoning after understanding them. If you can't start from the beginning, I have nothing more to say.

>>4593 >I dont believe in your jewish fairy tales They are not "jewish" and they are not "fairy tales". Stop calling everything jewish. The jews didn't create the world tree and their "God" died several times already. You are lumping others into traditions constantly and try to put them into some of your mental hubris and slowing the flow of conversation all the time >Well I got a lot from it thank you That is sad because this was like me telling you how the sky is blue and the grass is green tier knowledge. I feel like I didn't say anything that you can carry with you and use it to improve your magic. You just got some thoughts you can think and do no practice again >screeching at me accomplishes literally nothing >Well I got a lot from it thank you You just said you got a lot from it so it accomplished something but nothing of value. I didn't help an advancement of a single person while wasting hours from my life >I never claimed to be unable to make a sigil YOU NEVER CLAIMED ANYTHING VALUE. THIS IS WHAT I WANTED YOU TO DO SO I CAN ASSIST YOU IN THE IMPROVEMENT OF YOUR LEVEL. YOU DIDN'T LEARN A SINGLE PRACTICAL KNOWLEDGE BECAUSE YOU HAVE NONE YOU CAN BUILD UPON. >you are the one who came to that conclusion I asked several times what is your malfunction that you are not willing to use basic sigil guides to find out then wasted my life with writing several retarded offtopic shit. >>4592 >attention span is 20 seconds. I should learn to write with shorter sentences next time so people like him can follow a conversation and learn something

>>4593 >I dont believe in your jewish fairy tales Neither do Kabbalists. This is your first lesson in Kabbalah: not all readings are literal.

>>4595 Intelligent people can take other peoples worldviews and learn a lot from them, at the end of the day the question I had was answered, if that gives you the urge to jump on a soapbox and proclaim your supreme intelligence go ham wild >>4596 Kabbalah is a jewish fairy tale, that is how I see it, I will read what you posted when the migraine passes but saying >N-no it's different Is not an argument

>>4597 Now you're just being obnoxious. "Kabbalah" does not even have the format of a "story", you're being ridiculous. You probably think you're being funny and disrespecting something you think you don't like, but you're just coming off as ignorant. Kabbalah is a "method". There is no way to call a method "a fairy tale", if you still do, there is something seriously wrong with your mental connections.

>>4597 >Intelligent people can take other peoples worldviews and learn a lot from them You didn't share a single "worldview" you just went >nah dats dumb lol I do not accept it also it's jewish coz I said so then proclaimed it as a "worldview". >if that gives you the urge to jump on a soapbox and proclaim your supreme intelligence go ham wild No it angers me to no end because you are still on the <squiggly lines are sigils mentality. I did not help an advancement of a single person here. But wasted my time and the only thing I learned how I am incapable of dealing with retards. You could call it the symptom of my emotional retardation instead of "intelligence". And stop trying to think that others with knowledge wants to appear "superior". Try to understand there are people out there that want to help the advancement of other magicians and dissipate the cloud of ignorance in the everyday life instead of trying to look "superior" >>4598 >there is something seriously wrong with your mental connections. I almost popped a nerve while trying to navigate it. These people are like my kryptonite. I will let you take over this conversation in this bumplocked nightmare because I cannot continue this shit anymore

>>4599 I don't care, I learned something from typing out the replies, or I wouldn't bother. Now I have more important things to do like watch Dragonball.

>>4598 >>4599 Are you both so deep into universal oneness that you cannot see how what you have said could be taken as a worldview? are you even aware of it? Magic works fine for me, I will take that to mean I am doing something right, I have no obligation to share your viewpoint

>>4600 Then I guess I will go and use a "dragonballistic reading" of the bible and see if I can learn something more, since apparently there is no difference between methods and fairy tales.

>>4601 >universal oneness Universal Oneness lives rent free in your head. I have never even implied I hold this view, I actively denied it when it was suggested before.

>>4603 >anon is blissfully unaware of how he is feeding the egregore that leads to his sublimation as part of a "one" >gets angry when others point it out, literally incapable of seeing it I mean whatever, words on the internet don't effect either of us, people should chose better things to get angry about

Actually, just stop posting. Even Bing knows how to do this, and the method is the exact same as in the vid I posted. You'd do better just asking copilot.

>>4604 >you hold this view because I said so

>>4605 I never claimed not to know how to make a sigil anon, my question was answered, does repeating this line make you feel better or something? Thank you again for giving me what I want >>4606 You yourself said that a Freemason would never admit to being a Gnostic, despite being so

>>4607 >I never claimed not to know how to make a sigil anon Did you not post the OP? >you yourself said that a Freemason I did not.

>>4607 Is this not you claiming not to know how to make a decent sigil even after reading about how to do it, and even repeating the instruction here?

>>4608 Did you read the OP? the question is about "le real" sigils, as in why some sigils work better than others, we already had that conversation and you gave me what I wanted, along with a lot of arguing that it's somehow because we are all connected and a part of each other, which is factually untrue nonesense spread by jews to feed their egregore >>4609 >he didn't understand the question Well you answered it anyways, great job, thank you

>>4610 >hat it's somehow because we are all connected and a part of each other Stop making things up. I never said this. Also if you claim Jews are saying this, pls provide a source for this claim.

I think these last few posts by you have proven that your mental capacities are lacking. Alternatively you are actively trying to be annoying, which would make sense if you are a glowie trying to stir up shit here.

>>4611 Jews created modern christianity, gnosticism etc as a control vector, I don't need a source for my opinion, but if you are arguing that Freemasons are the spiritual "good guys" I may think less of you >>4612 >Repeat "thank you for helping" to abrasive retard determined to be mad >repeat "I don't agree with you but our differences have taught me something" to abrasive retard determined to be mad >Anon must be trying to stir shit up, it could not possibly be me fuming about retarded shit like the things other people think Think what you'd like anon, I do not care

>>4613 >Jews created modern christianity, gnosticism etc as a control vector, I don't need a source for my opinion, but if you are arguing that Freemasons are the spiritual "good guys" I may think less of you You're arguing with ghosts in your head by now. First off you can't make claims like that and call them an "opinion" when it's completely baseless, and then expect anyone to take you seriously. Secondly, are you unaware that you have been talking to different people in this thread?

>>4614 I can do what I like, it's an opinion, it's also an opinion shared by a large group of people, a group who I suppose do not post here? I've... never asked to be taken seriously, I've said "thank you for being of help anon" are you a nigger? It's pretty clear to anyone with actual spiritual knowledge the nature of the judeo-christian beast, it's not exactly hidden

>>4615 >group opinion somehow has legitimacy >bringing up race >more claims with no backing

>>4616 >Bringing up race Oh dear you are one... >Group claims >legitimacy Yet here you are saying my personal opinion needs your approval... Absolutely wild

>>4617 Keep yelling in the wind then. I guess you really are a zoomer. Stop asking about why some sigils work. It doesn't matter if they work, just use them anyway.

>>4618 I don't need your approval to seek knowledge either anon... nor do I need to agree with what you believe.... For someone claiming I'm the jew you're acting awfully jewish

>>4619 >For someone claiming I'm the jew Point to where I said this? Also, I literally referred you to a Jewish website.

>>4620 I think it was the other person, I don't really care you've both been very rude

>>4621 As response to your own rudeness.

>>4622 The unfathomable rudeness of not agreeing with you, no doubt, you're the kinds of people who will end up stuck here

Bye.

>>4624 toodleoo, thank you again for giving me what I want, an unthankyou for then acting like a retard

>95 replies Poor OP was starving!

Sigils are nothing more than placebic tools that simply don't work if you don't believe in the power of silly doodles. >>4505 >anything of value or is this board just another gay larp full of schizophrenics I think this thread has proven to be a wonderful demonstration of the latter.

Words only work if you understand the language. The purpose of public education is to make people understand the government propaganda. Funny how that works. You think not understanding sigils makes you immune to their use, but their use is not in you understanding them, it's in using them to command spirits to do the work for me. Something you can't do when you refuse to learn. In short: being a retard is your own problem, not mine.

I wanted to say that this thread actually helped me alot with my existential crisis; I had this thought that every entity bar absolutely nothing os a body part of the same being, the monad/all/7D being, but then two of you said it’s more like particles of sand uniting your form an island. I was suffering from loneliness because I thought we were literally just part of the same being, when in fact we’re different beings that are simultaneously individual & united. This drastically changed my worldviews and gives me much more of a reason to live. This derailment has proven to be productive.

>>4656 I'm glad someone else got something out of this thread

>>4757 The OP also got what he wanted according to him >>4593 >I got a lot from it thank you >I had a specific question and it was answered >>4607 >Thank you again for giving me what I want Hope he can go back to his favorite discord channel now to celebrate how he owned fringe with his epic rebuttals. Because it seems all he wanted is some epic (You)s as a reddit gold substitute attention and definitely not help in utilizing the true power of sigils.

>>4778 All I saw was religious tier zealots touting their specific doctrine without really understanding the ideas behind them, it's amazing what you can gain from making a shitty thread and having basic observational skills No true esoteric ideal nor group of based practitioners follows spiritual communism other than right hand pathers capable of acknowledging the alternate, you weren't even aware of the idea of a jewish egregore, none of you have any value as practitioners as you are too deep in kabbalistic lies and gobbledegook, so deep in fact that you are not even aware of how deep within that rabbit hole you are >Le you can't charge a sigil with an inverted meaning, the basis of much in magick >Le you were wrong about the kabbalah because I say so, it's not a schizophrenic mystery cult because my opinion >You can't just hold opinions that certain esoteric practices are illegitimate, you're a glownigger, it's not possible that low hanging fruit exists to distract retards from the truth >W-we are all connected, you will see; has zero understanding that he is creating the egregore that undoes his existence for the sake of a jewish ideal, literally incapable of understanding this statement >Le I am not gnostic, but you're a glownigger if you do not approach things from my judeocentric perspective >My viewpoint is fact and you must learn from me, despite it running counter to your own experiences, I have dunning kreuger I gained an invaluable understanding of the kind of poster that frequents this board: literal schizophrenics and glowniggers, there is nothing of value to be found here >>4632 >Le wizard >replies to a thread he thinks is a loosh farmer Niggers tongue my anus

You will never be a real glowie. You have no intelligence, you have no analytical ability, you have no successful missions. You are a diversity hire and/or Zogbot twisted by goyslop and a love of Israel into a crude mockery of Cold War-era competence. All the “consent” you manufacture is two-faced and half-hearted. Behind their firewalls the FSB and Ministry of State Security mock you. American citizens are disgusted and ashamed of you, your information campaign targets laugh at your illogical arguments behind closed doors. Millennials and Zoomers are utterly repulsed by you. Dozens of years of failed brainwashing attempts have allowed younger generations to sniff out glowie intel operations with incredible efficiency. Even glowposts that “pass” look uncanny and unnatural to a millennial. Your faith in our failed government is a dead giveaway. And even if you manage to get a newfag to fall for your bait, he’ll post sneed the second he gets a whiff of your diseased, infected support of a supposed rules-based international order. You will never be influential. You hoist up a manufactured narrative every five minutes and tell yourself it’s going to be impactful, but deep inside you feel the futility creeping up like a weed, ready to crush you under the unbearable weight. Eventually it’ll be too much to bear - government debt will accumulate, inflation will get out of control, more money will be sent to Israel and Ukraine, and the United States will collapse. Looters will break into your offices, elated and relieved that they can sell some computers to buy food. They’ll burn down your agency’s offices to stay warm, and every passerby for the rest of eternity will know another failed gloworg is buried there. Your organization will decay and go back to the dust, and all that will remain of your legacy are wasted money and constitutional violations. This is your fate. This is what the Dulles Brothers chose. There is no turning back

>>5241 Damn right I wont >You will never be a real wizard