>>5412 >Do Americans who think that they can survive tyranny by joining the Gestapo realize that they have to live with their consciences? >Do Americans who think that they can survive tyranny by remaining silent and obedient realize that this plan failed for millions of people who were killed in Nazi Germany, the USSR, China, and Cambodia? The Gestapo and Nazi Germany were great, what the hell are you talking about?

>>5529 Based. "Live and let live" doesn't work when people want to exterminate and replace you. The Non-Aggression Principle is worse than useless under such circumstances.

>>926 What is the best book on basics of economics for someone who knows nothing about economics? btw, as a curiosity, I found out that there was a Swedish speaking Finn called Anders Chydenius, who apparently had very similar or same ideas as Adam Smith had in The Wealth of Nations. Chydenius wrote a book titled "The National Gain": https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_National_Gain https://chydenius.kootutteokset.fi/en/kirjoituksia/den-nationella-vinsten/

>>5528 You don't need a book. The only axioms in economics that are empirically proven true are: the Law of Supply and Demand: when there's more of something and it's easier to obtain, it is not worth as much Gresham's Law: bad coin drives out good, like in the old days when there were coins made of precious metal, the (((usual suspects))) would shave them down and then spend the mutilated coins, and immediately everyone hoarded undamaged coins and only spent the shaved down ones Everything else in economics is blind men in a dark room talking about a black cat that isn't there. It's all bullshit, all mental masturbation, except for, and I'm going to repeat them: things that are rare are worth more people don't like damaged goods There. I just saved you the trouble of buying and reading a book.

>>5540 Well you can make the argument that there's two types of libertarians. The ones who want the markets to be free, and the ones who want to vote Dems. Personally I just want the markets to be free, but I also think that libertarianism can only really work during peace time.

>Appealing to based latinx groypers and defending Russia non-stop because "muh NATO" has made the party into an even bigger joke. Any proof that the Mises Caucus supports this?

>How do you feel about former libertarians going full authoritarian right-wing? I don't care. >What are some good arguments against those kinds of ideologies being the best ones? How do you judge ideologies? Values.

>>5531 >How do you feel about former libertarians going full authoritarian right-wing? It sucks but they were retards who follow the popular trends instead of thinking for themselves and having principles. >What are some good arguments against those kinds of ideologies being the best ones? History and reality, we can see how authoritarian ideologies suck dick simply by observing how they fare today and how they did in the past (They almost always lost against less authoritarian ideologies or collapsed on their own)

The opposite happened to me relatively recently. I was a national socialist fascist type for the past few years but then I realized how much big government sucks after witnessing all the censorship, overreach, and bureaucracy that comes with it. I never cared much for economic systems when I was NS, but after reading about Austrian thinkers and listening to speeches given by Murray Rothbard, Milton Friedman, Hans-Hermann Hoppe, etc., it's pretty plain to see that a laissez-faire economic system is the most efficient. I already had a general distrust of (((central banking))) so the anti-fedpill wasn't hard to swallow. Anarcho-capitalism is essentially the natural endpoint of a completely free market and I couldn't think of anything the state provides that a private institution couldn't do better.

One of the problems with tyranny is that it increases. Americans born today think torture, kill lists, groping, and wiretapping are perfectly acceptable. There was a time when you didn't need a driver license. Later driver licenses were required. Driver licenses then needed a photo. Later you needed a written exam. A driving test was then required. Later you needed a medical test. A car inspection was required. Later you needed liability insurance. Driver license fees increased and fingerprints were required. Soon DNA samples, microchip implants, and vaccines will be needed to get a license.

Unfortunatly as Polish I can say that only few peoplehere in Poland are anyi communist. In reality whole domcratisation proces (I would oppose democracy after all) was made to preserve old order. The top party is pis and it run by fucking far right globalist dicksuckers, really Biden says abolish law, they abolish law, Zelensky say give tanks and they give tanks, WHO says introduce tyranny. Other parties aren't better and there is practically no libertarian, no anti-estabilishment and no non-agent party or political movement. It seems the only hope for my motherland is to make Coup d'etat. Also greetings from /monarchy/

You need to understand what communism is at its core. That it is a society divided into three groups, core, ally to the government and informer, wavering, to be shunted into core or hostile, hostile to be killed. All communist countries are divided into three. North Korea, the USSR, China. This Is how they depopulate more efficiently to maintain a sense of control. They create a silent Civil War. The occult elite class must do this. It is a drive that is beyond their spiritual control to stop. To understand the phenomenon more fully, we must understand Humanity. 90% people are hypnotizable. With 10% being extremely hypnotizable. This means that though the physical world people live in might be real and have rules such as thermodynamics, this has no effect on the realities that people create in their minds or have created for them by the ruling class. For 90% of the people the reality is created for them and they have no capacity to fight against it. In this way the core group is propagandized and brainwashed into believing the narrative they believe, informing on their neighbor to the authorities and having them arrested for thought crimes. They believe they do right. So to answer your question are we doomed to live through this? I would ask are we being devided into thrids? And we must look at the other options available for the future what other directions could we go in if not this, which we seem to already have our toes in? One, we could lose the power grid, either to intense solar storm, or an EMP blast, this would entirely derail the Communist agenda in the United States. There would be an intense time of famine where all who were not prepared for the end of the power grid die. This should take about 3 months but could drag on for about 3 years in worst case scenario. Eventually however the peaceful good people kill the bad people and we go back to an agrarian Society, bartering and trading for goods and services. Gold and silver are spent into circulation and we rebuild. The amash become the majority population decades onto the future and create a new constitution on comon law, German being the most spoken language. Two, yet to be determined but include all acts of God, not limited to real alien invasion, the magnetic reversal of the Ley lines in our solar system causing the upper and lower mantle to unlock causing the earth to turn on its layers, wiping out almost everyone but the prepared in certain geographic locations, actual pandemic that wipes out 90% of the people. Basically it has to be an event that completely changes the environment of our society. I expect however that the Tyranny will use artificial intelligence and robots to continue to enslave us to their Communist way through brainwashing the hypnotizable and applying problem, reaction, solution, Game Theory and communist War tactics to boil the frog. It should be, if they do it right, one of those things you do not notice, just that one day you are dead. Either from the pioson you've willingly injected into yourself or a mobile cremation van run by the NSA and their robot Squad. With the systems we are building now, there should be no problem for our the communist empire of the world to maintain control efficiently killing the hostiles with out much resistance at all. At large they won't even know what's happening to them.

>>5512 >why is the truth pro-russian There is no objective way to look at this that makes NATO the good guys. The people of west ukraine are ethic russians, they speak russian, they literally voted to join the russian federation in a 2014 referendum (which putin rejected) and they have been terrorized by the ukrainian military for 8 years before russia finally intervened. So we're not doing this for them. The whole thing is just a money laundering operation to feed tax money into the military industrial complex. Nobody actually gives a fuck if keiv is ruled by washington or moscow. The only sane thing to do is negotiate a peace. No that doesn't mean "giving up" or "giving putin what he wants". It means you negotiate a deal that works for both sides. And you stop sending teenagers into the fucking meatgrinder just so the CEO of raytheon can buy another yacht with taxpayer money. >he Scott Horton for people who didn't know what he looks like.

>>5519 you have been groomed by the "mises guys" and affiliates to say this. It's okay, many have fallen for their lies, including me. One simple example "they speak russian!!!". Well, everyone in Ukraine speak russian, because that's what the soviet union forced them to do. Only recently they made a law to have more stuff in ukranian. Of course then russian assets have spread the news that Ukraine was banning people from speaking russian, which is false. Also the problem with Scott Horton and the "mises guys" is not in the solutions they propose, it's that they only tell half the story so Russia appears mostly innocent. Another thing they have in their bag of disinformation tactics is that they invite people that just spread fake news when their russian handlers tell them to go a little harder. So, they end up clean because they "just invited the guy to hear all sides", except that they never invite pro-ukranian sides, they never talk about libertarians that are being persecuted by the russian government for being against the war, etc etc That's the sad reality. If you begin to look at their stuff considering the possibility that they are working for Russia, you will begin to see the cracks in what they say and eventually you will figure it out yourself. This sadly goes up to the Mises Institute. Sorry for bringing you the bad news. There truly are no good guys.

>>5520 Mostly based, but >There truly are no good guys. False. The Ukrainians are White Christian men like us, fighting for blood and soil. The Russians invaded them to steal their land and enslave them, and they resisted. It's just that shrimple.

>>1418 >What are some actual decent arguments against anarcho-communism? They don't believe in property. You spend all day catching a fish in the river then some guy comes along and says he's more hungry than you and eats it. That's why communes don't work in practice you need somebody to generate a surplus without getting rewarded and without being a slave. The USSR at least had gulags.

>>5510 Not very helpful. Please provide real arguments.

>>5527 It's the best post in the thread, maybe on the board. You don't understand why this is, because you're a retard with Down's Syndrome. Enjoy your gulags and mass starvation, downy.

>>5522 Be the revival you want to see in this board

>>5522 >>5523 Need to get people more interested.

>>5522 >hope >Hope in reality is the worst of all evils because it prolongs the torments of man. ~Friedrich Nietzsche

russia has gotten shooting themselves in the foot down to an art. I'm an ancap but from all the libertarians (especially Americans) seem to have blinders on whenever talking about foreign policy. These are nation states people, not John the farmer protecting his property. The US Empire is the hegemon, and that hegemony is well worth tearing down. At the same time it doesn't mean that defending putin's actions get you any further to that goal. He's a warmonger and a criminal and should be put down along with his kleptocratic cronies. He invaded Ukraine while Ukraine was trying to duck out of being in a Russian sphere of influence to a western one, this is a nation which suffered behind the iron curtain, had the Russians try and exterminate them and now they are attempting to induce some form of liberalism into their society and all libertarians can do is scream at the US government for the war. It's no mystery why the libertarian party gets shat on with those hot pro-putin takes.

>>5513 since opening the thread the situation has not improved, it got worse. I've completely lost any respect for libertarians, and it's sad because I liked them a lot. I didn't always agree with everything and sometimes I even noticed mistakes, but I can accept that people aren't perfect and also they don't have to agree with me for me to like them. But this russian stuff shows that they are bad actors in bad faith. For example a recent podcast https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BNqbBO7KmX0 Scott Horton is still going on about how Bush promised not to expand NATO. Except that promises don't count for shit in international relations, and politicians know, and also the fact that he made that promise is probably not even true (just search for something like "did bush promised not to expan NATO"). It's impossible for Scott Horton not to know this, and yet he keeps repeating this stuff about "Bush promised!", knowing well that he can induce people into hating US more because normal people value promises a lot. Wicked. This may seem like a minor thing, but it's just the most recent example to add to their constant repeating of half-truths and things from the russian point of view. I really wish we could find a way to let people know what a bunch of liars and grifters they are. They betray Liberty by lying for China and Russia. They betray the memory of Mises by using his sacred name for their disgusting scheming in favor of communist governments.

Wow. Americans think legalized drugs means drug use is mandated.

>>4019 You can't. It's the problem with all ideologues, liberal, fascist or communist, monarchist, or any other. See Mr. Cynical. That faggot unironically believes friends and family are a form of collectivism, and collectivism is bad (because muh individual), therefore friends and family are bad. https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/pragmatism None of your principles would exist if we burned all the books, puny ideologue. :^) >Ideologue Status: Not BTFO'd [X] BTFO'd [✓]

>>4036 So fundamentally, the current state of foster children is that they're welfare by another name for the parents, well-intentioned or not, and the only way to resolve the problem is to decrease state intervention?

Obviously some libertarian believes that, but I would hope that most libertarians who are obsessed with contract theory should get the idea of an implied contract. By creating a person who agreed to an implied contract with them to support them to an age of independent decision making. Though in theory the youngest age for independent decision making is less than the US's view of 18 being that age. And obviously before that age some degree of autonomy exists as an agent, but they still have access to that contract because they are not an age where they can be relied on to make all independent decisions in a way that they could be expected to survive. So they have independence and are not treated as a non-agent like in our modern society, but they still have a right to support.

>>3256 Capitalism, communism and fascism are all viable when you have a moral population. Authoritarianism is no guarantee of anything. Right now we already have fascism, it's just run by degenerates.

>>3223 >I can't tell you how many normalfags I know who think "libertarianism" is just another word for "centrism". Normies think it means socially liberal and fiscally conservative. That's why NatSocs think all libertarians are just degenerate hedonists, despite John Locke being a literal Puritan

>>3155 >But how about the way we get there? Anon literally showed you a picture of how to get there, retard.

>>2795 >What would your ideal libertarian society be? ~500k humans on Earth

If you lived in the North Korea in 1980 then you could have escaped to the USA. Now if you lived in North Korea then where could you go to have freedom?

>>5466 >Now if you lived in North Korea then where could you go to have freedom? It depends. If you want freedom from tyranny then go innawoods. If you want freedom to be a pedophile then go to Israel. If you want freedom from having to work for a living then move to tent city San Francisco/Portland/etc.

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I'd explain it as although left-wing memes are of lower quality if not outright garbage, they tend to get more exposure due to media gatekeeping, censorship and influencers. "Late-stage capitalism" is such an example you'll see around, as well as the whole Russiagate delusion (not a fan of Trump but it's obvious that it's a diversionary tactic away from actually good conspiracy theories). You could argue that "climate change" is another example and is probably the epitome of a forced meme as people are told it's an existential threat. As memes are based on exposure forcing a meme on a wide enough scale, as long as it isn't too painfully obvious, can work. The effect is a chain reaction of opinion as the ignorant will parrot what seems relevant (example is apolitical British/European Youtubers making jokes about Brexit) and this does have a subliminal psychological effect on people who hear it a number of times.

Also, if the Left cannot create its own memes then it will co-opt successful memes. Hence the now-disparaged "Ok Boomer" meme, although originating from 4Chan, taking off after Soph's video, and originally criticizing mass immigration and neo-conservatism, is now used by leftists to shut down opposition to their views, because apparently boomers didn't make left-wing standpoints mainstream. Ditto to a lesser extent for the "Doomer" meme, as on 4Chan-influenced cultures it is used to imply the impending dystopia multiculturalism and creeping socialism will bring us, but any "acceptable" source will describe it's about climate change and income inequality. I think people in power as well as leftists on the ground have realized that they cannot kill memes through outrage (see Pepe), so they're twisting the meanings to suit their own agenda. Par for the course, really.

Americans are so enslaved now that Americans scream rent would be $20 million per month if there was no rent control.

>>1274 We need more memes like that.

If the government can force you to buy insurance, what's to stop them from forcing you to buy snowblowers and boats, too?

Move forwards, post, make more threads, talk about things, respond in threads you can respond in. Anon there is never going to be a second 8chan /liberty/, it will never be exactly the same. But that doesn't mean this /liberty/ can't be just as good.

Americans scream toothpicks will never be outlawed because the price of building more prisons is too expensive, but did the costs of jails stop lawmakers from banning straws?