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Welcome to /liberty/ HHHPinochet 08/19/2019 (Mon) 22:30:01 Id: e35c08 No. 3
A board for discussing private property norms, Austrian-school economics, and natural rights. Refugees not welcome. Check out our bros at 9chan: https://9chan.tw/libertarian/
Edited last time by sangvinivs on 06/13/2020 (Sat) 22:14:15.

Testing flags.

I had to recolor a different flag to make this one, hope I got it right.
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>>7
What size does it need to be, again? I haven't made flags in ages.
>>8
There aren't any dimension limits on this site, just post any pic 32kb or less and it will be resized automatically when I upload them.

if 8ch were to never come back, should we begin looking for libertarians around to populate this board?
>>113
I certainly wouldn't be opposed to a few new faces in here. Still no word from Codemonkey on what's happening and it's been almost a month since the hearing. Besides, even if 8chan did come back it would probably be a glownigger honeypot anyways; I'm fine staying with Julay.
>>118
I haven't posted on /liberty/ since 8chan so I guess I qualify for being new on this board I came over from bloobls censored chan

8chan.net is becoming 8kun.net according to this twitter post:
>>180
According to Mark over on vch and a Tweet from jim it is likely that the site is getting wiped before going online.
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>>180
It's kinda cringey how since Gookmonkey and Anal Jim took over, they've been trying to change board culture with le funky
>>188
Chan and kun are not gender-locked. Females may be referred with kun if their age-gap with superiors becomes too awkward to continue using chan.
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>>189
That's fine, but we're talking about how they are abandoning an age-old and almost universal tradition of imageboards being "channels" of sorts, hence the names 1chan, 2chan, 4chan, 7chan, 8chan, etc... but they decided to turn it into an honorifics thing where it's "8kun" or "8san" or something, proving that they either don't know their history (I mean, the site is literaly run by a boomer and a 16 year old) or that they think they aren't obliged to respect traditions and can do something totally different.

But like I said, I'm not complaining. The site and its culture went downhill since they took over, and it has turned into a place for edgy newfags, and thankfully - they are even further disassociating from traditional imageboard culture. So I'm quite happy, it' like a little internet miracle where we're seeing cancer literally remove itself.
>>191
Jim Watkins is a fullblood libertarian, he has nothing to do with neo-nazism or anything like that and it's ridiculous of you to assert otherwise. The dude has made multiple audiobooks out of the Fountainhead, and other Ayn Rand novels. His stated reason for maintaining the site is because he believes in absolute freedom of speech and freedom from oppression. Jim isn't hiding behind libertarianism he is employing libertarian ideals in actuality.
Switching from 8channel to 8kun is a play on words to confuse the moron media manipulators. The fascist house democratic committees are trying to find something to arrest him on so Jim is doing what he can to avoid playing into their hands.
I don't understand why /liberty/ of all places would have a hate boner for one of the few true and practical internet libertarians that has accomplished anything.

Why didn't he name it 8san? It sounds similar as well as having a connotation of being "more mature" and superior. Ffs.
>>188
>they've been trying to change board culture with le funky
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>>200
HAHAHA newshit plz, you have nothing to be proud of. If you think today's tame as fuck imageboards are edgy, you haven't seen a damn thing.

>>198
>Jim isn't hiding behind libertarianism he is employing libertarian ideals in actuality.
How? Only by providing free speech? And to a fascist/leftist website? You do not just take a fascist website and label it libertarian. The fascists have everything to gain from this, and we have everything to lose. They are benefiting from our credibility and yet-untarnished image.

>one of the few true and practical internet libertarians that has accomplished anything.
The site had better administration under cripple kike. Jim hasn't really accomplished anything with it.

>Switching from 8channel to 8kun is a play on words to confuse the moron media manipulators.
What's this supposed to achieve? The word play in the name is useless, the media already knows that the name has changed and they will use the new name, it's not like Jimmy will be changing it every week. At least now we have cool a new libertarian logo for everyone to see every time some deranged shooter posts his oh-so-important manifesto on the site.

Anyway, I'm still glad this shitshow is now moving away from traditional imageboard culture, maybe now someone'll make a real imageboard for once.
>>205
>He believes revisionist history
>He thinks that people who know board histories and cultures don't know them
Cope, incel.
>>206
>Cope, incel.
Whew! Cringe and seethepilled.

Apparently Mark (who's been working for Jim) was mentioned in a manifesto related with the Halle shooting a few days ago
>>213
I don't have full access to the article, and from what I see of the image you posted and what French I know, it only mentioned that Mark is associated with vch.moe>>213
>>219
It might just be lies being spread by the cripple kike, I don't know either
The point is more shootings have happened after 8chan went down and shootings like that are still being tied to them

>>>/b/616
>>344
Could and probably should be more distinct, no?

8kun is supposedly back up, has any anon taken a look?
>>560
It's not quite up yet, you can see the front page but that's about it. I plan to keep this place up, since 8kun is shaping up to be a haven for boomers, glowniggers, and reddit edgelords.
>>562
Good to know, Mark over on vch seems to be more intent on going over and as you said it looks like a horrible idea.

On that note: Could we get some banners going?
>>572
Mark is a fucking kike. /sw/ used to have a bunker on his site, vch, before it moved to Julay. While we were in the process of migrating our threads over he deleted the vch bunker because "hurr 8kun will be back up soon."

>On that note: Could we get some banners going?
You have any you'd like to add?
>>576
>While we were in the process of migrating our threads over he deleted the vch bunker
Wait so /liberty/ was about to be on vch instead of here? I didn't catch his initial setup so I was unaware.

>You have any you'd like to add?
Sorry I don't have any, just felt like making the board more personalized would be nice.
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>>576
Banner time? Have a fuckton!
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>>584
>>585
>>586
Did you just make all these? Very noice.
>>585
Baste banners
>>584
>>585
>>586
Very nice, anon, I'll add these once I'm home.

>>583
>Wait so /liberty/ was about to be on vch instead of here?
Oh no, we weren't. I was talking about a different board, /sw/. Not directly related to /liberty/ in any way, just an example of Mark being a kike.
>>588
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>>599
Glad you all like them.
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>>600
Should be added now. By the way, would you be willing to take requests? I think these have some potential.
>>602
I'll see what I can do
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>>604
Nice work anon
BO, does julay support board specific custom css?
>>621
certainly lynxchan does, so yea probably so.
https://anon.cafe/server/
>>621
It does, yes. /cow/ and /monarchy/ both have some custom CSS going.

Also
>>623
>>624
>>625
That's nice to have then, sadly I am not some visual guy but maybe someone else will be willing to come up with a branded css.
we could use some more posters
>>626
I'm not against custom CSS in principle, but overall I've been pretty happy with the default look of Lynxchan. The black/goldenrod theme is implicitly ancap, it actually looks similar to the theme of /ancap/ back on 8chan.

The tripfag you're blaming on /fascist/ has nothing to do with us. We've been on /meta/ asking for the admins to implement better moderation tools so we can get rid of him and his fag friends shitting up the board.
>>842
He was even banned in the very thread some complained in too
>trying to get people into the anime thread
Bring it on, I was having a blast in that thread
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>>842
yes goyim, implement "better moderation" and keep giving me attention, it's really working. I have another idea for you too why don't you just block tor posting completely and turn this place into reddit
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Eh?
>>842
>most /fascist/ posters are ex libertarians who find the ideology laughable these days
It's the other way round, faggot.

>we used to be you and understand where you're coming from even if we don't agree with it any more.
How sweet.

>We do have a good thread on why anime is unhealthy, you may find it an enjoyable read if you haven't done so yet.
Anti-anime is code for anti-white. Fuck off, SJW.
>>842
>We have no reason to come to your board since most /fascist/ posters are ex libertarians who find the ideology laughable these days
Eh, not really, or at least not in the way you imply. I've spoken to a lot of the "I used to be a libertarian" types over the past few years, and it seems like few if any of them ever went more than ankle deep into the philosophy. They called themselves libertarian because they voted for Ron Paul and didn't like the Fed, but they couldn't tell the Action Axiom apart from the Calculation Problem. I won't pull a No True Scotsmen and say you were never libertarians, but at best you goys only went ankle-deep into the philosophy before moving on to other viewpoints.

>Don't let the fag start board drama.
I avoid board drama as a general rule. No worries, I won't assume the tripfag is indicative of the rest of your board. He's clearly a lone retard.
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>>852
>Anti-anime is code for anti-white. Fuck off, SJW.
BASED
>>854
>I won't assume the tripfag is indicative of the rest of your board. He's clearly a lone retard.
That tripfag isn’t part of our board and like >>843 said the poster has been banned for a few days but is circumventing via Tor. Besides here I’ve seen the poster on /cow/ and /liberty/. Whoever is blaming /fascist/ for this is trying to cause drama.
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>>860
>enters my lovely board uninvited
>starts spouting anti-anime propaganda
kek
>>854
I used to spend a lot of time around hardcore ancaps. They were my social group for a couple of years and would argue autistic economic issues for days on end. Most of them ended up going fascist because they realized there was no way to be libertarian in a real world scenario at this point. Someone has to cleanse all the problems away so then a clean slate could build a high trust society.

Their core thought process became "I will never see Ancapistan, but I can lay the foundations for my children to have it".

>>852
I don't spend my life on gook children's media. If you consider gooks to be white then you're part of the cancer destroying white people. Go read the thread, it covers all these points.
>>861
Different anons. as you can see from the thread ids. He may well be pro-anime for all I know. But I'm anti anime and I saw the board is full of it so I recommended the thread. It's a good read and I hope I can help other anons get out of the quagmire that anime can become for men. It's easy to waste your late teens and 20s on cartoons and have nothing to show for it in the end. I don't wish that fate on people so I preach an alternative.
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>>863
>Their core thought process became "I will never see Ancapistan, but I can lay the foundations for my children to have it".
That doesn't really preclude someone from being ancap. In fact what you just described is more or less Hoppe's position on the subject.
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>>863
>gook children's media
Anime is for the white man. It is a vector for traditional values and I, personally, will raise my children exclusively on anime so they can become the chads and tradwaifus they were meant to be. You can keep your strong independent Hollywood women and their black ape lovers.
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>>864
>It's easy to waste your late teens and 20s on cartoons and have nothing to show for it in the end. I don't wish that fate on people so I preach an alternative.
What alternative?
>hurr hurr check out this INFOGRAPH bro, become a jacked lumberman who lives the rural life, just like VARG, bro!

Yeah, good luck saving the white race with that LARP. If your problem is useless NEETs being useless, you would do better to help them find a job or get educated or get their shit together somehow, but it's not like any of you are functioning members of society anyway, so of course you won't give someone something you don't yourself have, of course you can't create any infographs related to anything practical, it's either something really abstract that it can't be tested or verified, or it's something so obvious and generic that we already know about it, like working out.

In all the years that I've been posting on 8chan, I have yet to see any real chads produced by your fancy infographs, in fact, the evidence points to the opposite, the kind of people that are attracted to your leftist ideologies are fucked in the head and always turn out to be some kind of tranny or faggot. It's sad and hilarious at the same time.

In case you're wondering, one of the reasons that turned me away from ever becoming a fascist, is that there are many problems that are mainly economic in nature, which are caused by taxes, regulation, central banking, and other government fuckery, but also in part by the people failing to take responsibility. Fascists do not recognize this, they are collectivists attracted to crowds and group-think, they do not recognize personal responsibility and extreme ownership, and they do not recognize how their economic solutions are just the same welfare bullshit we have today, but cranked up to 10 and for white people only.

It's literally the same mental asylum as leftypol but coated in some kind of macho LARP because everyone is afraid of being called out as a faggot or weak or whatever (because they know that's what they are), so they compensate for it by pretending to be tough guys while shaming other people who exhibit their own insecurities, like being seen as "girly" for watching anime or whatever.
>>876
I'm not the infograph type so I won't be making either of them. Most people on the board don't believe in the chad/virgin black and white thinking. We don't have infographs telling you how to behave because we think local not global. Christmas is coming up, go to your local Christmas celebrations, take part in the arts and crafts fair, check on your old neighbours who maybe lonely this Christmas. Invest yourself in your community instead of cartoons.

Will it make you some uber chad who's going to punch every nigger you meet and get away with it? No. Does it maximize your chance of finding a local girl to have a family with while building up your community to deal with the harsh future most of us expect? Yes.

The reason you're drawn away from fascism is incorrect. I won't get into a political debate with you because it's never going to go any where but one of the key features of fascism is forcing responsibility on people. Most people are idiots unable to think for themselves or to live healthy lives for them and their community. Giving them a good healthy frame work to live under is going to be better for everyone. To follow your last point, shaming people for staying eternal children watching cartoons is a good example of this. You're not becoming the man your community needs by watching cartoons. No community means no future for you or them. I could strawman you into oblivion but it's pointless. You won't change your mind because I point out individualism leads to a collapse which in turn destroys individualism. And ultimately you're going to continue to watch anime, live a life pleasure seeking and then get ass rammed when you have to rely on a collective to survive you never thought to build. Invading niggers aren't going to care about your individualism, they're going to see a weak whitey with no one around him to protect him and take the easy meat.

As my previous post said. I know a lot of Ancaps and the vast majority of them realize individualism ideology is weak to collectivist ideology. Living in a multicultral society with no group around you means you lose and then there's no future for any one.

Bunker bunker
>>878
you're talking about shit you don't know. Like any leftist would.
Libertarianism and ancaps are mostly about creating strong, voluntary associations. Every time there is a small difficulty, like taking care of roads, undesirables, and so on, fascists want mommy-State to solve their problems the way they imagine. So much for taking personal responsibility. So much for taking care of your local community.
On the other hand, ancaps and libertarians want to solve problems by themselves, using their resources, with their own strength and their own people.
And they truly are their people. There isn't a central board that says "we're the nation" and that force you to associate with black people, jews, white or let them in your land, in your city. You do your thing with people like you and good luck.
>>878
>Giving them a good healthy frame work to live under is going to be better for everyone
That's literally what the private property natural order is, forcing responsibility on people.

>le individualism vs collectivism maymay
This isn't Faceberg and you're not talking with retards from Free Talk Live. No one here denies collectives and no one here desires hyper-individualist atomism. Ancap is only individualist when it comes to enforcing conflict resolution; everything else is defined by the division of labor.

Also, your obsession with anime is retarded. Japanese cartoons don't turn people into manchildren, manchildren become manchildren for other reasons, then spend their time watching japanese cartoons. If it wasn't anime, it would be sportsball or standard talmudvision. You're making the sophomoric mistake of conflating the symptom with the cause, something fascists seem to do a lot.
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We're on top! We're on top!
>>912
We need to promote this board more

Holy shit finally some graphic that doesn't rape my eyes

Did people still want to continue /mises/ and /holo/? I know they got set up on 8ch right before it got nuked so I don't know if people want to continue that or if that would be counterintuitive at this point.
>>1189
Given the small number of people we have here it might be better to just make threads related to those subjects rather than making another board.

im gay
>>1231
>It's the libertarian party flag
kek
>>1232
dubs
>>1233
Neat get

You should remove the sticky you made because you were salty about people not knowing about covenant communities and just make a more general FAQ with links.
Either this sticky or the QTDDTOT would be fine for it.
>>1267
I'm planning on making that thread the QTDDTOT and a general FAQ.
>>1267
Should we archive QTDDTOT threads? I remember there were some good discussions on there back on 8chan that I regret not screencapping them or just archiving the page.
>>1269
Got any ETA on that? I think a better "layout" when you first visit this board helps with anons posting.

>>1277
Not to sure about that, on one hand something like /v/s share threads really benefit from it by having important stuff crystalize out of multiple threads, on the other hand I am not positive that this boards QTDDTOT is really searchable with a simple archive and maybe a complementary git repo.
>>1284
I had intended to wait until the current QTDDTOT bumplocked, but if it's bothering people I can make the switch once I'm in front of a desktop.

The board got named for the Attention Hunger game, something to look out for on friday
>liberty
>Don't do x
HYPOCRITE
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>>1589
Oh shit we won this time.

Congrats on the AHG w.

Need more flags like Mutualism and Christian Anarchism like the old board.
>>602
I'm against Empiricism. Anglo crap.
>>1894
>mutualism
Gay.
>Christian Anarchy
There's already a flag.
>>1918
the old board had the Mutualism flag.
>>1934
This isn't the old board. The only blue checkmark LARPflags that will be added are for the LARPs that aren't completely cringe.

What happened to monarchy, the board didn't have that much action but there was no dead to declare it dead.
>>2037
What do you mean? /monarchy/ isn't dead last I checked.
>>2039
It was a few days ago, but it isn't anymore.
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Please physically remove the diaperfags. They are raiding the OC thread with their diaper fetish.
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>/n/, the News & Politics board, is now a catgirl board
Fuckin kek, which one of you lads did this?
>>2418
Our agents are everywhere.

I know that sneaky Ancomm was thread locked but one thing: It's my belief that most ancomms are black Bloc police state supporters. Even as a /fascist/ I can see how the entire black Bloc is in the pockets of city councils
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>>2430
You give them too much credit. No doubt their handlers, organizers, and donors support such things, but they themselves are just useful idiots.
>>2430
I kind of wanted to debate with the ancom.
I understand banning people who are raiding in mass numbers but why ban people who belong to different political ideologies who want to debate with us?
The neetsoc thread is still up.
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>>2418
>>2424
>liking catgirls
>not DAWG girls
Do you know who else likes catgirls, /liberty/?
our friends at bunkerchan /leftypol/
they like catgirls

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>>2603
>DAWG girls
Yeah, I guess there could be a market for those, I definitely see the appeal, though I'm more of a cat person myself.

>our friends at bunkerchan /leftypol/
>they like catgirls
lel, you should know by now that leftards are unoriginal hacks who can't come up with anything on their own, so don't give their shitty memes any recognition. Genetically engineered catgirls were used by libertarians since at least 2013, and /trannypol/ copied the idea around the time when Freddit abandoned his svadharma 8chan.

Personally, I find it depressing that such a powerful symbol of prosperity and capitalism is now being associated with leftist trash. How did we allow this to happen?
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>Wanting catgirls
It would be a complete nightmare for anon as you'd essentially have a daughter who would approach sexual maturity a lot sooner than regular girls.
Who would stop at nothing to get out and get herself knocked up.
Who would completely disown you and tear up your house if you don't let her do what she wants
Who at the end of the day is only with you for food and shelter and will try to kill you in your sleep if she's bored.
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>>2608
>capitalism is now being associated with leftist trash
That's because both of you operate off the same fundamental materialist/economic-oriented worldview and are two sides of the same shekel.
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>Dog girls
Group-oriented, respect hierarchy, undying loyalty, is always excited when you come home, attacks those who would hurt you, and loves belly rubs
>Cat girls
Antisocial, ungrateful, doesn't give a shit about you, hisses whenever you approach her, and attacks you for no reason at all.
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>>2616
NUUUU ITS NOT TRUUUU
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>>2617
Imagine being a nigsoc and calling other people materialist
>>2616
That sounds pretty hot tbh
>dog fuckers, on my /liberty/
First /abdl/ and now this!

>>2617
>le jewish coin meme XD
lol, no one asked you, you insectoid hivemind nigger. Try having original opinions for once instead of copypasting the same low IQ shit from each other.
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>>2632
I'm going to fuck you, dawg
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There's a successor site to 8chan called 8chan.moe that came up recently. It's supposed to be an improvement over 8kun or something with more of an emphasis on free speech. Is this something we should keep tabs on?
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>>2828
Julay's been comparatively stable and the admins have been relatively cancer-free. Considering we're well-established here and there aren't any downsides to staying, I see no particular reason to fracture the community yet again by moving the board to a site we know nothing about.

>with more of an emphasis on free speech
This in particular actually worries me slightly. Imageboards already have an "emphasis on free speech" implied within the fact that they are imageboards; no one needs to point it out explicitly. Nowadays if a site's advertising is centered around muh free speech, it typically means the owner is gunning for Qboomers and other types who respond to that kind of buzzword. It's the same thing Jim did when he rebranded 8chan as 8kun.
>>2829
Yeah that seems reasonable. I just checked it. It seems very recent and doesn't have a whole lot of boards on it yet, just the basics.
>>2829
I think you have great points but this recent thing with Julay being rebooted has me thinking about having /liberty/ on other imageboards as well. We don't have to leave this one or whatever curent one we will use but we can use the /liberty/ on the other image boards as back up. Kind of like how we had one on endchan before it got nuked.

TLDR: I think we should have backups of /liberty/ on other imageboards.
>>2858
Yes, we need backups. We may be getting our own domain name soon, which will be our new primary board if and when /liberty/ gets knocked off Julay. As a secondary, I'll probably make a board on anon.cafe.
>>2861
i can host for you
all you need is your domain (and that's optional)
for example see dprkchan.xyz
>>2861
>>2858
I'm sure you've already discussed and thought about this, but having all the clearnet alternatives on the webring will be key to keeping them in the mind of anons. The goobers of boomer/v/ ended up having a site or two that was completely off the webring and thus just died because there was no way to find them outside of 1 post in the middle of a /v/ thread.
>>2872
hoppe-sama should be on the webring already.
>>>/site/108 meta page for trio.
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For any /fascist/ cross-posters, return to anon.cafe BO nuked the board here.
>>3 So this is our new home ? Hoppe-sama is gone ?
>>3073 Hoppe-sama died and the admin hasn't replied to anyone in weeks, so it's been abandoned.
>>3073 Yep.
Unblock tor
>>3102 It was blocked globally due to a spam attack. It has since been re-enabled. Pleas try again.
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test
>>3074 Well that's just sad. All that work for nothing.
A meta for the diarchy is established. >>>/site/319 Between /monarchy/ and /liberty/
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>>3323 Praise Tengri ! Hope we will get back the triumvirate back one day too.
Made a few requests for changes in the /monarchy/ royal court. Such as Removal of 3 low-quality banners Return to "Peasant" instead of "Anonymous" New flags
Just a heads up: Since the site has been going offline for random periods of time, and because not everyone wants (or knows how) to use the onion address on Tor, Acid has deployed a Tor2web proxy that allows anyone to access the onion link through their regular browsers without the need of additional software. The proxy is located at https://redchannit.net/, and from there you can access to and post on /liberty/ or any other board without problem. Proof in case you don't believe me: >>>/site/532
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2 flag requests at /monarchy/ I think there is a Mexican poster that likes Emp Maximilian I, so I recommended a flag for his sake.
testingu
Is the site dead now? Hello?
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>>3532 Hello, idk, I'm still here.
>>3533 Who's this tranny?
>>3549 me, r8
>>3532 It's pretty wild how big of a nosedive PPH and userbase have both taken recently. Part of me wonders if there's another /liberty/ bunker somewhere I don't yet know about.
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>>3556 I have plans to launch my own libertarian imageboard some day, but I'm still learning all the tech shit related to hosting one. PPH comes and goes, I'm personally not to worried about it, I just try to stop by every day and do my part to post something interesting.
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>>3556 I haven't found any other bunkers places, I feel like some anons have just gotten lost in the wind from transitioning too fast from one place to another.
>>3560 The triumvirate was never that active, even at 8chan's peak (and they arrived somewhat after the actual peak). /liberty/ was never the most active of the boards, and often had stretches where it was dead. It's more likely that 90% of 8anons disappeared after the site went down for months on end and either aren't aware it's back or just heard about 8kun and rightfully decided it was shit and they didn't want to return. I wouldn't be surprised if some of them were on 4chan, possibly even 4/pol/.
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>>3561 If your prognosis is correct then that's quite saddening. If we try to gain some fellow anons on 4chan, then they'd probably think this is glowpot or probably shills will come.
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>>3631 I'm not saying recruiting is a bad idea, I just think you need to be wary of shitposters. If the BO is onboard and ready to play janitor, then it's not the worst thing. You can get easy traffic by hitting large sites like reddit and 4chan. Reddit actually has some large libertarian communities. But you basically have to be ready to ban all the low-quality posters and keep the high-quality ones. Direct advertising is also ineffective. Nobody likes being blatantly shilled to. You have to backdoor the ad somehow. Perhaps we could put together a reading list and tag the URL on it? Then float it around. It would take some effort but good OC is the best way to attract people and it won't come across as an ad.
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>>3632 I was just fucking around in GIMP and was thinking about making a new reading guide for libertarianism considering that the most famous one is pic related from years ago and is kinda wacky imo, I'll post it here when I do it and yall fags can give feedback, maybe I can drop a link to this shithole in the notes
>>3632 >you basically have to be ready to ban all the low-quality posters and keep the high-quality ones. We'll ban all liberaltarians and cringeposters, so advertise wherever you want. Just keep in mind that there will be a redditor genocide if they show up here, they're a completely different insectoid hivemind species which diverged from homo sapiens long ago, I will only allow them to post here for as long as I'm fooled into thinking they aren't redditors. 4chan is pretty much full of them too, but at least it has already filtered the worst of the karma-farming virtue-signaling group-thinking scum, so in that sense it's better, but there are other imageboards out there though. >good OC is the best way to attract people and it won't come across as an ad. Exactly. People want to receive value from others, they don't like being asked for value. Asking someone to visit your site is asking for value, and you know you are asking for value whenever you feel like you're begging, we cringe at those who do it and we cringe at ourselves when we do it. Memes are the opposite, we know they give value because they bring happiness in some form, so a non-cringe advertisement on an imageboard has to be a meme (brings value) while also being an ad (directs attention). You don't even have to make OC if you don't want to go through all the effort. As long as your post was at least fun to read, then it brought more value than it asked for and you should be good, you just need that talent for being interesting on imageboards.
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>>3638 I'd like to request a section on rationality and The Enlightenment. I think the roots of classic liberalism are underappreciated. There's the classics, such as Plato's The Republic and The Laws. In terms of Enlightenment philosophy, Two Treatises on Government is solid. I think Leviathan can be skipped; it mostly introduces the notion of "a ruler exists by will of the people" and mostly targets constitutional monarchies. I think it's worth mentioning both The Bill of Rights and The Declaration of the Rights of Man and of The Citizen since people seem to not even bother and assume they know the gist. I don't have any good resources that explicitly discuss republics where citizens bear extra responsibilities in exchange for the right to vote. Common Sense is also a favorite. I realize my tastes are a bit Columbian, but I do think America's example set the stage for our modern era of republics. I'd also like to suggest a section which discusses histories in general and not just source texts. A good example might be Heirs of the Founders. which I found to be a delightful summary of the burgeoning American republic and how the transition of power and maturation of a state is not always an easy one. It's about the first group of non-Founder leaders who had the task of interpreting the Constitution and I think understanding their situation and rationale, albeit as a retrospective, is quite valuable. I think a selection along these lines would avoid the usual "pure AnCap" selections like "just read Rand" and would instead provide a historical background on the how's and why's of republics and why it is the most enlightened form of governance.
>>3638 Sounds good, anon. If I may, I would suggest giving the "Strategy and Tactics" section a more-conspicuous spot, and perhaps expanding it a bit. I remember having to distinctly point an anon towards it, despite his having already looked at the list. I can't speak for other anons, but I know I'd love to see an expanded section on technolibertarianism. There's already a great resource in there which compiles a lot of the founding cypherpunk/ crypto-anarchist documents, but resources on tech privacy, cryptocurrency, and alternatives to the conventional internet (Zeronet, i2p, etc.) would also be pretty cool.
>>3654 Thats a key section actually, too many lolbergs skip the philosophy of the enlightenment and actual world history.. Which is also why they are lolbergs in the first place. Shit like Rand and Friedman is 9th grade lit at best >>3658 I'd like to add something like that, but do you have any more specific recommendations? I haven't read that much tech-cap stuff, but its usually been mostly from Agorist and ""left"" Rothbardian origin. Anyways, I'll prolly drop a draft in here tomorrow to discuss, if I get to squeeze some time outta my day that is, as I've been quite busy lately
>>3663 >Do you have any more specific recommendations? Unfortunately I'm only just starting to get into this stuff myself, but the good anons over at >>>/t/ probably could help. Stuff on cryptocurrency, meanwhile, I have no clue. There are plenty of books on the subject out there, but I wouldn't know which ones to recommend, since I know even less again about that subject. If only this site had a /biz/
God, i miss the old board
>>3793 Where has everyone vanished to now? We really need to have something like http://txti.es/monarchy for /liberty/.
>>3805 Everyone is here. Not a lot of happenings to discuss. Was waiting on >>3663 to drop a draft but it's been a couple weeks.
We really need to advertise this place a lot more. >b-b-but muh sekrit club, you'll bring reddit here! The board is fucking dead, there's nobody here anyway. How do you expect this place to grow?
>>3854 >The board is fucking dead, there's nobody here anyway. How do you expect this place to grow? In my experience, the more active a libertarian board, the more of a honeypot it is, and the more it sucks.
>>3897 You're right. It's better if there are 3 posts a day by the same 6 people saying the same things... It's not like leftypol has many active users and still retains their ideology or anything.
>>3931 Would you care to drop the sarcasm and make a proper argument?
>>3944 I think his argument is that we need more people. Idk about leftypol because the only times i go on there is to raid them.
>>3663 Any update, anon?
The terms nationalism and nation have several, sometimes mutually exclusive, connotations in the United States. For some Americans, nationalism is about waving flags, reciting the Pledge of Allegiance in public schools, singing the Star Spangled Banner at sporting events, shooting off fireworks on the Fourth of July, and acknowledging one’s existence as a citizen of a country whose historical legacy is life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness. Alternatively, the destruction of the Second World War, largely made possible by the Third Reich’s dangerous exploitation of German nationalistic sentiment, has made the entire world uncomfortably conscious of the thin line that divides innocuous displays of pride and perilous chauvinism. Unknown to many, Nationalism is a rather multifaceted construction, and each nation’s anatomy is dependent on countless variables. Contemporary historians, political scientists, social theoreticians, and cultural critics alike continue the attempt to explain the spontaneous phenomenon that is nationalism. As proponents of liberalism – whether one considers himself to be an Objectivist, Anarcho-Capitalist, classical Liberal, or libertarian – we often find ourselves repulsed by displays of nationalism. This detestation is largely because of its seemingly statist implications. Many of us, however, are unfamiliar with the process in which nations form and what their functions are. The result is a misinterpretation of what nationalism actually is and a failure to acknowledge unrecognized nations that certainly do exist. As previously mentioned, it’s more complex than the generic definitions we devise for the terms through either observation or what we are taught in bureaucratic public schools. Nationalism is not a homogenous manifestation, and because of this, we should not assume future nations would form the same way. A nation, as an “idea,” according to the Nineteenth-century French Historian Ernest Renan, is “simple in appearance, but capable of the most dangerous misunderstanding.” Let’s clear up any misunderstanding, which may exist.
>>4264 What is a nation and how do they form? A nation, according to the American political scientist and historian Benedict Anderson, “is an imagined community.” Anderson derives his definition from earlier work provided by British historian Hugh Seton-Watson, who was “driven to the conclusion that no ‘scientific definition’ of a nation can be devised,” as nations are often immeasurable and consist of populations who do not and will not ever meet most of their fellow cohorts. Though there is some contention about when nations began springing into existence – Catholic Priest and Historian Adrian Hastings argues a form of English nationalism first arose in the Fourteenth-century – nationalism is generally regarded as a construct of the Nineteenth-century. The words “state” and “nation” are not synonymous, despite popular belief. Some theoreticians, however, argue that the creation of a state is one of the primary functions of a nation. It’s essential to understand that nations form for a variety of reasons and not every nation has the same motivations. Most of the continental European nations – with some exceptions – are bound by cultural tradition and/or ethnicity. These nations, which now predominately exist as nation-states due to post-WWI Wilsonian urgings for national sovereignty, typically share vernacular and written languages. Anderson attributes the consolidations of these languages (there were countless dialects and spoken languages all across Europe before the rise of nations) and the resulting national consciousness to the creation of “print capitalism” and the sharing of books and newspapers through private markets.Though this might explain the creation of a German, English, or Spanish nation, it doesn’t explain the European anomaly of the Irish nation. The British systematically worked to eliminate and replace the Gaelic languages centuries before the formation of nations, and if we presume that only a shared language places one within a nation, we should naturally expect Irishmen and women to be members of the English nation. However, given that we know an Irish national mentality existed before the creation of the Independent Irish Republic and a resurgence of the Gaelic language, we can logically conclude that nations can and do form through various other processes. Nations can form through a connection based on shared ethnicity. Nations can also be bound by shared religious belief. Members of the same religious communities can belong to the same nation, even though they do not necessarily speak the same language. Sometimes nations are the result of a shared “external threat,” as is the case with many previously colonized Northern and Southern American, African, Asian nations and the Irish. If an external threat can create a national consciousness, is it not possible that the commonly shared threat of statism and collectivism could create a form of anti-state libertarian nationalism, which is bound by the shared principles of private property and non-aggression? Mises’ explanation of Liberal nationalism Many of the greatest liberal writers have voiced their opinions about nationalism, including Ludwig von Mises. In his seminal work Nation, State, and Economy: Contributions to the Politics and History of Our Time (1919), Mises addresses how European liberals, motivated by the Enlightenment ideals of freedom and equality, adopted “the nationality principle” in order to grant their national contingents the individual right of self-determination and to free them from tyrannical princes. These liberal nations, which eventually became nation-states, are capable of neighboring other nations peacefully by practicing laissez-faire capitalism and promoting genuine free trade. It is only when these “modern principles of the state, in their triumphant march from West to East, reach the territories of mixed population [multiple nationalities under one state],” that “peaceful nationalism” turns into “militaristic nationalism.” Stated simply, Mises argues that only modern states with a homogenous national population are capable of practicing peaceful governance, can avoid aggressive imperialism, and evade the state-legislated oppression of national minorities. Having lived in the Austro-Hungarian Empire himself, Mises understood firsthand the issue of having a state rule over several nationalities (Germans, Czechs, Slavs, Poles, etc.) simultaneously. Twenty-five years after Nation, State, and Economy was published, Mises wrote Omnipotent Government: The Rise of the Total State & Total War (1944) to explain the rise of the Nazi Regime to the world. Within this work, Mises restates many of his observations about nationalism, but provides a harsher critique of statism and the functions of the state. “The…state must necessarily extend its territory to the utmost,” argues Mises, because the larger the realm of the state, the more the government is capable of protecting the economic aspirations of its favored national group (Mises refers to this act as economic nationalism). Even in the face of the destructiveness of the Second World War, Mises makes it clear that it’s not the existence of nations that is problematic. Rather, it is the presence of states with heterogeneous national populations that are hazardous to liberty. Anti-state libertarian nationalism Is there a community of individuals who read the same literature, engage in similar philosophical debates, advocate for strong private property rights, support the work of Austrian economists, believe the state to be the greatest threat to peaceful people, and that all human interaction should be voluntary? Absolutely. Is it possible then that there is an anti-state libertarian nation? Definitely. Unlike other nations, however, its members are not motivated to create or take over a state in order to benefit its fellow associates. It formed, like other nations, due to the sharing of intellectual content through private markets and because of an external threat: the state. Because a state does exist and most of its citizens support the political factions that compete for control over this violent apparatus while promoting the statist dogma (that the state should have a role in both social and economic affairs), this anti-state libertarian nation is a minority nation. Like all other minority nations, it is subjected to the political will of the comparatively larger nation (statists). Until more statists choose to voluntarily join this libertarian nation (which requires they adopt the economic and ethical justifications for private property rights) anti-state libertarians can expect to have their rights continually trampled. It is of the utmost importance that the ideals which bind this minority nation continue to spread, and the private market is the best tool to ensure this happens. Mises pessimistically suggested, “it would be a fateful mistake to assume that a return to the policies of liberalism abandoned by the civilized nations some decades ago could cure these evils and open the way toward peaceful cooperation of nations and toward prosperity.” He did not, however, live to see this minority nation grow to the size it is today
>>4265 >>4299 I'm the same guy as this, and I've claimed this board. Things will continue as usual, I'll only moderate when there's bad actors, mass spam and etc.
https://archive.vn/iWsJR CARSON CITY, Nev. (AP) — Planned legislation to establish new business areas in Nevada would allow technology companies to effectively form separate local governments.
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>>4318 >Someone claimed /liberty/ finally. I'm super fucking happy! I'm sick and tired on lingering on /pol/
>>4340 Why do you keep posting the same guy who has nothing to do with ideas discussed on this board?
If the State is charged with protecting the property of its citizenry, then it must be categorically stated that any attempt to do so can only end in contradiction. As stated earlier, an inherent characteristic of any State is that it must lay taxes in order to fund its operations. Taxes themselves are nothing more than threats to initiate uninvited physical interference with the persons and/or property of others if they do not hand over X amount of money. Recall, threats to initiate uninvited physical interference with the persons or property of others is considered aggression. Simply stated: taxation is theft. Thus, the State cannot make any attempts to protect the property of its citizenry without first violating it on a mass scale.
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>>4372 The problem is a common defense may be one of the few things a central government might be better suited for and one thing in which the stakes are extremely high. It is a contradiction, but so is getting invaded by statist aggressor nations and losing liberty until the end of time.
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Americans think that the US will be improved by expanding wars, increasing the debt, and adding more tyranny when the reason the USA is crashing is because the US has wars, is in debt, and has a police state. Americans used to say that they love freedom, but now they turn around and say they need the government to give them free Obamacare, build a wall, protect the US from Yemen, wiretap their phones, arrest people for feeding the homeless, stop farmers from plowing fields, force people to get rid of dogs, ban vaping, and torture suspects. Every country has the government it deserves.
>>5016 Do you deserve the government you are currently under? What did you do specifically to deserve it? What could YOU have done differently to ensure you got the government you 100% wanted?
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>this board <not having a liberty theme Do this. A Gadsden snake theme for this board.
>>5085 Seconding for a liberty theme
The world used to be divided up in small societies like Navajo tribes or the Amish. Later the European Union was started and was sold as a world with free trade, no borders, and a single currency. The problem is that the world now has a global government. The diversity among homosexuals, Christians, Buddhists, and Muslims then gets crushed and the world becomes like North Korea where you can't escape.
>>5264 >you can't escape The vast majority of land is uninhabited and unmonitored. You can escape if you're willing to leave civilization. I would do it myself if I had any survival skills.
The elites don't need you. All the infrastructure has been built and the globalists will soon have robots.
>>5287 The unwashed masses don't need the elites, plus we outnumber them. 7 billion retarded obese faggots can just zerg rush 100 billionaires and their robots, we will win.
Do Americans who think that they can survive tyranny by joining the Gestapo realize that they have to live with their consciences? Do Americans who think that they can survive tyranny by remaining silent and obedient realize that this plan failed for millions of people who were killed in Nazi Germany, the USSR, China, and Cambodia? Do Americans who think that they can survive tyranny by being rich, famous, attractive, educated, or having influence realize that this plan failed to protect people in history? Do Americans who think that they can survive tyranny by being white realize that whatever they allow the government to do to others will eventually be done to them?
/pol/ told me that Whites need to live under fascism, and that liberty is only for jews
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/monarchy/ has had /liberty/ BOs in the past. & comes to /liberty/ now to request a jewel for our crown jewels. There have been grievances between us. But who knows who will wear the crown next. Give a jewel of any type (w/ a name, maybe, & pic) Examples: </hispol/ >Understood. I gift to you, the "Great Lemon" jewel discovered in Baja California, México. Is in the St Edward's Crown. </b/ >On behalf of /b/ we offer for a jewel... >Fire.
Wow. Americans cheer when they lose their rights and the state gets stronger.
>>3885 Lolbertarianisn should be the starting point, not the end. OK, we are going to begin with lolbertarianism and then move onto the policies we could add to it to make it a functional society. Just remember that we are going for long-term value of stability, not the short-term value of safety. So, starting from NWS Minarchism with NAP for it's laws. It goes without saying that I hold to the lolbertarian ideals that property and people must be physical to be legitimate, we should not recognize intellectual property nor corporate personhood. First, remove the legislature and legislative powers, political leaders should be overseers who enforce the laws as they were written at the nation's founding, not those who make changes to the laws. Second, make all the banks into a branch of the government, we print our own money, and we prohibit practices like issuing currency backed by fiat, lending on a fractional reserve system, and of course charging interest at any rate. Third, taxes, they will be charged in the following forms: - A flat percentage on every transaction using the national currency with an additional percentage for such transactions occurring across national borders. - An annual flat percentage of the value of landholdings at the time when they were acquired by their current owners. - A flat lump sum charge for crossing the national borders, both entry and exit. Fourth, the most important stuff: The laws only apply to those who fit into five requirements of "PersonHood", each defined in the strictest biological sense : - They must be Alive. - They must be Adult. - They must be Male. - They must be Human. and - They must be White. Anyone who falls short of even one of these requirements for "personhood" is a DeJure outlaw and a DeFacto slave: - They are outside of the law, lacking any rights, they have none of the law's protections, and have no accountability to law's rules. - They're legal status is equal to that of an inanimate object without sentience, meaning they fall into the category of ownable property for White Men, so any protections the law affords them would come to them second-hand from the property rights of their Masters, nothing may be done with them that their owner does not consent to. - Naturally, White boys will become their own masters once they reach biological adulthood and become White Men. - White girls will most likely begin their lives as belonging to their fathers, and later on to their husbands, who are the White Men to whom their fathers would transfer ownership of her over to. Voting and elections are unnecessary, I prefer the idea of a hereditary monarchy with only Male leaders in succession, appointing a cabinet of ministers under them, who would in turn appoint those who serve under them. I'd make it illegal for any White Man to be a recipient of anal penetration by male genitalia, they may hold most power in society but I would not permit them to be made a woman of. I am quite inspired by the civilizations of the ancient world, European culture originated there, and by extension, the greater west. Things were a lot better back then, when Men were of crueler hearts, back before the faggot philosophers of the enlightenment led us to where we are today. Instead of just talking shit about libertarianism, how about you step up to scrutiny like a Man, and tell us what you propose our nations should be? I desire an Empire, one that takes over the world in a new age of conquest wherein great legends are written and heroes are born. The White Man should have complete dominance over the planet and over all that live upon it. Give me your blueprint for a country, tell me what your government would be like, ow your political system would function, and what laws or policies you'd have.
[Expand Post]Ideologies are useful only to summarize a commonly understood set of concepts that could be looked up, to save time and characters length when describing the way you'd run a nation. But if you just stop at the ideological label, you likely haven't thought enough about the kind of civilization you'd want to have. People who'd care about civ-building would start with an political label "X", and then begin listing the deviations they'd make from that ideology, "X, with the following changes..." If you disagree with me, don;t tell me what you disagree with, tell me what you'd replace the part you dislike with. If you can tell me what you don't like, but not what you'd do instead, I don't think you deserve to have a place in political discussions. I want /pol/ to have anons with ideas. To /pol/: If you just want a carbon-copy of the 3rd German Reich that's fine, I'll prefer almost anything to what we have now, but the only thing I ask is for you to be able to describe what that would entail. If you want National Socialism but cannot tell me what National Socialism even is, I cannot take you seriously.
>>5412 >Do Americans who think that they can survive tyranny by joining the Gestapo realize that they have to live with their consciences? >Do Americans who think that they can survive tyranny by remaining silent and obedient realize that this plan failed for millions of people who were killed in Nazi Germany, the USSR, China, and Cambodia? The Gestapo and Nazi Germany were great, what the hell are you talking about?
>>5529 Based. "Live and let live" doesn't work when people want to exterminate and replace you. The Non-Aggression Principle is worse than useless under such circumstances.
"Liberty" lmao
>>5529 >No fags People should be able to do what they want in the privacy of their own home, based otherwise


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