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The 08chan and Zeronet Problem Anonymous 03/15/2021 (Mon) 19:36:10 No. 2951
An idea sort of came together toward the problems of zeronet moderation and a possible solution for another go at something similar. What about crypto wallets? I think using XMR or similarly private coin wallet address as your identifier instead of how you pretty much gave up your privacy to be tracked on 08chan as an initial identifier to track trash glowniggers and commies posting CP and other such trash to ruin it for everyone else. You'd still be tracked but only to the point of your wallet. I'm sure someone a bit more OpSec fresh than me could come up with an infographic to set that up securely even.
>>2951 Although it would solve some of zeronet's problems which you mentioned, it would affect one of the most important aspects of imageboards, which is the inexistence of your identity from one thread to another. In a regular imageboard you lose your identity when changing threads. The only way someone could track you would be by posting style, and even that might be difficult if you're cautious, or if you post very short phrases. This is good since it goes against the normal forum-like model that most things on the internet are, where you have a fixed identity, a personality and a history. These things might be used as leverage to increase the 'value' or 'credibility' of your opinions (i.e.: "That guy with 10k posts said something, so his opinion must be better than that guy with 10 posts"). Old imageboard users wouldn't fall into this trap, but newfags would, and this will slowly change the anonymous culture of imageboards into a cancerous 'cult of personality' forum culture. Even thought what you propose might help in short term problems, such as bad actors, it would slowly creep into what I described above. Of course, you could try to set a expiry date on these wallet addresses, but then they wouldn't be very useful against bad actors.
Bans are pointless. You don't need any persistent way to identify individual posters. The only thing that identifiable information is useful for is things like a captcha bypass and PoW captcha system. But the point of those aren't to ban anyone, it's to prevent spam. So I suppose you could be "identified" by a captcha cookie that lasts 4 hours or something. The real issue with zeronet is that its back end is a bloated fucking monstrosity and it isn't configured to be encrypted and routed through TOR by default. What we need if we were to have true peer to peer imageboards is software that is lightweight as all fuck and isn't nigger rigged with retarded web 2.0 animations and retarded GUI bullshit.
>>2951 08chan was super comfy and was looking really good as an alternative. Until some faggot discovered he could make a single post with 500 images to choke out your bandwidth.
>>2976 Oh yeah, and Zeronet gets a minus for not having a default option for "encrypt all the downloaded data in a giant file and throw away the key so I can't see it because I'd rather windows not see all the sketch shit coming up and down".
>>2975 Would IPFS provide better solutions for p2p than zeronet?
>>2994 Maybe in the future. IPFS' strength is in static content. You can host, rehost, and deliver static pages easily. Dynamic content is much harder, and imageboards are mostly dynamic content. There's a reason IPFS enthusiasts often talk about rehosting Wikipedia pages, and it's because they're optimal for the network. The pages update, but in specific, versioned formats, all of which are recorded to other pages. Sure, a lot of pages update all the time, but there's no expectation of "live" updates the way you'd expect from an imageboard thread. Zeronet is as close as you can get with out-of-the-box solutions right now. It's possible IPFS will be viable to decentralize website contents some day, but imageboards require a lot of niche tools to make that viable and I doubt the IPFS developers have that in mind. A booru would fit IPFS naturally, though.
>>2951 The Zeronet project seems to be dead at this point. It hasn't had a new release since 2019, and the project leader seems to be only taking pull requests on GitHub. He probably got demotivated after the whole 08chan incident.
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>>3016 MIght've gotten a visit from the friendly field office
>>3020 why are the spooks and feds so bad at this everyone who matters already has their own state-sponsored secret channels for doing whatever the fuck they want, so literally all they're fucking doing is punishing anyone who shows any kind of initiative or ingenuity, when those are the two things we absolutely need if we're going to compete with Pooh
>>3016 wat's 8chan incident?
>>2951 >crypto wallets sounds like a glorified account system, in which case just use an account system. However since you mention cryptocurrency, perhaps there is a way of running something like Zeronet using a "proof of work" system the same way cryptocurrency works. Yeah blockchain is a huge meme rn but this might be an actual legitimate use for it
>>3153 The failed bunker migration when Cuckflare shut down 8chan, newfag.
That's sad to hear. I used 08chan for a few days. Dedicated like 50GB to it and then got lazy and told myself I would set it up properly later... It was a really good concept
>>2975 I think the future is simple p2p command line text baords
>>2975 >The real issue with zeronet I completely agree. I can't believe people tried to move to that piece of shit. It was so fucking heavy AND you needed to use Tor with it anyway. What's the point? There are a million alt-nets and people tried to move to one that came out of fuck-knows-where
>>2975 >>4064 A solution I thought of, to allow you to use the site without having to download every single post that had been created and to prevent someone from accidentally downloading CP that some spammer just posted, is to start in text only mode with just the thumbmail for the OP in the catalogue. Then when you enter a thread, you have the option to read the thread with no pictures, and either manually open them for each user that has posted one, or have a button/option to automatically download all the pictures in the thread, or at the very least just the thumbmails. Yes, this goes a bit against the concept of P2P, but it would make things faster and more usable, and if enough users are on the site, even if some of them don't download every single post, there will still be at least 2 users with a copy of each post. Another problem with the site, was that you were never sure if people saw your posts. I remember there was a thread, after an update, in which everybody would post stuff like "can you see me", and wait for a reply to confirm that they had the latest update installed. Furthermore the whole site combined with Tor had memory leaks, as RAM usage kept increasing the more I had it opened, forcing me to close it and reopen it.
>>4068 you can just use this css and your in """"text"""" mode until you expand the thumbnails img { border: 10px solid #ddd; padding: 10px; width: 0px; } the only problem with zeronet is it was written by a complete moron, and in fucking python too, its like it was designed to be slow on purpose if it was written in c and implemented seed layering or optimization ie. get the closest fucking seed next to you and not some fucking randy in thailand or with the highest latency or layer them into a stream torrent style etc.., then maybe it would be more usable
>>4076 >the only problem with zeronet is it was written by a complete moron, and in fucking python too I remember someone tried to reimplement ZeroNet in Golang. I don't know how far he went on it. It shouldn't be that hard to make alternate clients in different languages though.
>>2951 >zeronet moderation that's not even the biggest issue, it's how people can just upload viral loads to existing images
>muh freeze peach >banning CP is good tho
>>2951 Cryptocurrency wallets are just public/private keypairs. Those have been around for longer than blockchain, you know. That being said, being able to send money to any poster on the site would be... interesting.
>>6314 Get lost, pedo.
>CP is... le bad
>>2951 I think that would be a cool,but not to replace image-boards,but rather as another way of communicating online. >>2974 I think pseudo-anonymous websites would be cool, this sites when they get big get misleading and just annoying.In popular sites like 4-chan people don't say be B in response to A ,they say D ,Z and C in a ironic way.I've seen people who respond the most retard responses they can think of only to degenerate the conversation. With this system you wouldn't have glowniggers spying you,but could also differentiate the users.You wouldn't talk to your grandma the same way you talk to a friend , so the same online you wouldn't talk to a newfag the same way you would talk to someone who specializes on the board topic. This wouldn't replace the imageboards,because this is not their intent.Their intent is to have meaningful conversations or discussions,while imageboard would be for laughs and idiot posting. >>2975 Agreed bans are stupid >>6314 >>6360 >>6497 Can't you see there is a solution,different boards,(or pseudo-anonymous forum as I mentioned),with different owners.Maybe in one they accept what you hate maybe in others no.The idea is that there is a free-market of ideas and sites in which the user chooses the best one instead of being imposed.
>>3004 >A booru would fit IPFS naturally, though. I would love an IPFS booru. It could be hosted entirely by volunteers meaning that there would be no need for invasive, hard-to-block ads (I'm looking at you Gelbooru) to pay for hosting. If dynamic content is hard, then how would it be possible to add and delete pictures, as well as comment underneath them though? OrbitDB is able to allow multiple users to add to the database. Would it use something like that? The only problem is how would you pass the search query in the URL? AFAIK there's no way to do that yet, but I think it should be possible to pass parameters to client-side code running in the browser rather than server-side. Please correct me if I'm wrong.
>>3229 I knew about 8chan, only wondered if there was anything else to it. Well, thanks for clarifying.


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