Because their whole shick is legacy support. They intentionally don't fix bugs because fixing it could cause some macro excel document from 2004 to break and fuck up a bunch of shit for a company and they'll do anything to prevent that. Apple usually goes the other way and will always push their customers to upgrade to the latest thing and doesn't support legacy stuff. Hence why, relative to M$, Apple "just werks" because they force everyone to the latest stuff and don't have to worry about backward compatibility the way Windows does. And obviously Linux is superior to both :D

>>3032 >And obviously Linux is superior to both Because it's the same OS from '91, built on top of an OS from '71, with no actual updates and changes made to the OS, just a series of patches, that you have to make yourself, to make the 50 year old OS compatible with the latest tech.

>>3034 why are you talking about bsd? he said linux.

>>3034 >Because it's the same OS from '91, In case this isn't bait, Linux isn't an OS, it's a kernel. Every Linux distro has that kernel, which is updated at times to be compatible with newer technology. If you're using any recent distro, then compatibility with the latest software isn't an issue, unless your needs are very specific (i.e. want to use libre software only or want to be spyware free, including the lack of Intel ME and the AMD PSP).

>>3034 >>3037 And if we're discussing kernels, then in all fairness to Windows, NT was released around 2000 and not 1991. Not that it helps matters much. There's decades of technical debt Microsoft can't, and won't, get rid of. Between NT being half-finished and Longhorn never being realized, Microsoft is still paying for decisions made ages ago. Plus all the changes for their other ambitious initiatives that got half-finished and then have to be supported forever. Ironically, their early DOS software is the one thing not well supported anymore. But their GUI frameworks from the late 90's still get some love, and so do the five others they've invented since.

>>3038 why change GUI when you can just have all of them lol

because it's proprietary junk

>>3323 Says the Open Sores user that has the backwards design.

>>3204 I have to deal with Windows 10 every so often and I am convinced literal pajeets with laptops are programming windows gui while they take a shit on a sidewalk. It just doesn't make sense how a company like Microsoft can shit out something this bad. Vista was nothing compared to Win10 GUI.

>>2967 it's coded by minimum wage brown people in far distant lands

>>3586 Reading about Vista today is strange. The negative reaction against it was so intense at the time. Today, on the other hand, people simply accept Windows 10 as normal, but looking back, Vista was a lot better. Sure, it was slow, and it was broken on release, but every piece of shit that Microsoft ever released was, and they fixed it over time, from what I heard (I went straight from XP to 7, so I would never know). It looks good compared to what people accept today. That's how much normalfags lowered the bar for what is considered acceptable design. Meanwhile, none of the people that have standards are using Windows anymore, not as a main OS, at least. Things have changed a lot, haven't they?

>>3700 I bought my first new laptop in 2008, and it came with Vista. The hatred was very real and well earned. In an era of 80gb hard drives, the default Vista install gobbled up 17gb, which quickly grew to 30-40 if you used the machine for anything other than minesweeper. It took what felt like 30 minutes to boot the first time and the better part of two hours to find and install CD burning software (IIRC, even though the machine had a burner built-in, they didn't provide the software to actually use it) write a FreeBSD disk, and then something like 15 minutes to get FreeBSD (7.0 IIRC) up and running. I mean, I'm bigoted, don't get me wrong, but while I hated the useless, stupid bloat of XP, Vista really turned it up to another level. Of course, I hated the useless, stupid bloat of 95 as compared to 3.11 as well.

>>3700 its always in the context of what came before the jump from 98 to xp was insane at the time, the expectations for vista were high, thats why it was always going to a failure no matter what, the xp upgrade was just too good in comparison to what vista could ever be also vista was objectively shit, its 99% visuals with no real improvements , its when microshit decided to just start make things look new instead of actually creating something new vista is when I got into linux and switched to linux mint, I think its the same story for a lot of people

>>3731 For me the switch was the Windows 10 reveal. I considered trying Linux already but never bothered because Win7 did everything I needed. Then Microsoft announced that the new Windows was going from subtle tracking features to full-on SpywareOS, and then backported all of that to 7/8. I switched overnight and now only use Windows when I need to run programs for work that don't run properly in Wine. >vista is when I got into linux and switched to linux mint, I think its the same story for a lot of people For normalfags this is when a lot of them became Mac users. A few years ago I was getting some pictures off my aunt's last Windows laptop before going full Macfag, and sure enough, it was Vista. >>3700 I use Windows 10 on occasion for work stuff, and I can't believe how garbage it is on HDDs. 90% of the time it's at max disk usage for bullshit reasons. I like that task manager now tells you the disk usage so you can figure out more easily why it's slow, but updates and random services should not fucking use that much disk write. I've never had disk write issues on any fully updated distro even on shitty old disks.

>>3586 Yeah some parts of Windows they haven't bothered to touch for 20 years. I mean notepad is beyond a joke these days >>3734 >I use Windows 10 on occasion for work stuff, and I can't believe how garbage it is on HDDs. 90% of the time it's at max disk usage for bullshit reasons I haven't had major issues with Windows 10 beyond the botnet stuff of course. The only thing I've noticed is it chugs RAM like a motherfucker. Windows 10 + Chrome tabs you're easily going to go over 8GB, I run out of RAM regularly on 16GB. I need that one version somebody made where all the botnet shit is stripped out and it uses like half as much RAM. Also I'm not going to lie, I like the modern flat panels interface, simple, minimalist, easy to see what you want, I don't need fucking 3D shadow effects on my GUI widgets guys

>>3038 >and so do the five others they've invented since. Make it 6. Pajeetsoft is working in yet another UI redesign that will never be completed, just like the transition from win95's UI to Luna, Luna to Aero, to Metro, to Metro 2 win10 edition, to whatever the "noise" thing is called, to this.

>>3734 >I like that task manager now tells you the disk usage so you can figure out more easily why it's slow That only makes me more upset because more often than not when my work computer is performing like shit the task manager tells me that the disk is at 100% usage but there are only 5 programs each reading at 100KB/sec which is clearly not anywhere near the disk capacity so it's taking me for an idiot twice.

cause microsoft literally does not have any incentive to improve it, or even to have all of it work. Currently the mainstream computer market consists of people who do not really understand how to use computers, which is just another way of saying they dont know how to troubleshoot at a basic level, which rules out linux for them. (linux can do just about everything most people need, but usually only after a bit of fiddling, and people get scared of that) which leaves windows and osx. osx doesnt support a lot of games and in general sucks for people who like computers (as opposed to people who like what computers can do, for which osx is pretty good I guess) which leaves windows. >>tldr: windows is only used because everyone uses windows already. It literally has a 100% or near 100% monopoly on its specific use case* This will not change until software developers, particularly game developers, particularly mainstream game developers for hit games and AAA games, start making their products available on linux, either by ensuring that they are functional with wine or something, or by natively compiling their code for linux as well as windows. * In other words, if you want to play games, you cant use osx. If you want to be able to play games, do web browsing, office/office like documents, all without having to figure out how to make it work, you have no other option besides windows in almost all circumstances. The exception would be if the specific game you want to play is playable on osx or linux, either with wine or natively.

>>3734 >I can't believe how garbage it is on HDDs Im not an expert, so I could be wrong, but I remember reading somewhere that this is because window 10 uses a HUGE amount of disk caching or something. I think the basic idea is instead of using compute resources to do something when it needs to be done, it instead uses compute resources for everything that *might* need to be done before the doing of the thing actually begins, at least as much as can be done, then stores the result on the disk. The result, in theory, is that when you actually DO do the thing that needs to be done (say, opening a web browser) the stuff that needs to be done before it can actually start has already been done, and just needs to be retrieved from a disk cache, meaning it starts almost instantly instead of in a few seconds. This unfortunately only works with VERY fast disk access, which is to say with an SSD. HDD's are slow enough (comparatively) that it actually ends up taking longer to write and read the cache to the disk than it would have taken to just do the thing that needed to be done in real time in the first place. Microsoft sort of made an assumption about hardware in the future with windows 10. They sort of assumed every computer would have an SSD, at least as a primary drive. However, like with vista where they sort of assumed all computers were going to have GPU's capable of having more and more general purpose compute stuff offloaded to them, they kind of jumped the curve. Vista was shit (if I understand correctly) because it more or less required a GPU with at least rudimentary general purpose GPU computing, which just wasnt what the reality of the time was. (Im basing this off of a time I used a laptop with vista on it for a while a few years ago, and besides a few quality of life tweaks and UI features missing, I didnt really feel it was all that bad, but it was on a laptop that was REALLY good for the time (~2007)) So in the same way vista was released before the hardware that it required had fully saturated the market, windows 10 was released before the hardware it needs (SSDs) had really become fully adopted.

>>3753 >The only thing I've noticed is it chugs RAM like a motherfucker I am convinced there is a rather serious memory leak somewhere in windows right now. Ive had an ongoing issue for several months now where the RAM usage reported by the task manager will gradually climb over the period of a few days, but the actual amount of RAM being used by all the listed processes is actually far below the total amount of RAM which is supposedly in use. At one point to check my sanity, I autistically froze the task manager update interval, got a calculator, and manually added the physical ram usage of each running process together. When I finished, there was a discrepancy of like 7 or 8 GB of ram which was supposedly in use, but which was not accounted for by any running process. I did the same thing in the details tab and on the resource monitor, and got the same result. Eventually it gets so bad that the computer starts using huge quantities of CPU time attempting to free up RAM by compressing what parts of it it can, or by putting some of it into the page file. With an SSD, the speed reduction from this isnt that bad at first, but when it gets to about 92% RAM usage it slows way down. Even if speed werent an issue, its still running 1 or 2 CPU cores at like 120% overclock at all times, leading to increased heat production, power consumption, and wear.

>>3758 >task manager tells me that the disk is at 100% usage but there are only 5 programs each reading at 100KB/sec which is clearly not anywhere near the disk capacity What is it saying the response time is? The "disk usage" metric is based on the percentage of the time the disk is active, which, for a HDD, includes time actively reading from the disk, time actively writing to the disk, time spent physically moving the reader heads from one location to another, and time spent waiting on a particular physical location on the disk containing the desired data to pass under the reader head once it is in position. If the data being retrieved is physically located all in one block on the disk, then the last two parts are less important, since it basically just moves the reader head to the specified location and continually reads the data in a single operation. But if the data is spread out over many physical locations on the disk, then it spends more and more time moving the reader head from one location to another, and less time actually reading or writing data. Also, even if the data is located in roughly the same "ring" of the disk, if it is out of order, then it has to wait for the disk to make a partial revolution before the next piece can be read. Think of it as a clock. If the first part of the data you need is at the 3:00 position, and the second piece is at the 4:00 position, then you dont have to wait long to be able to access the second piece. If it is instead at the 9:00 position, you have to wait a bit longer. If it is instead at the 2:59 position, you have to wait for almost a full rotation before you can read the rest of the data. >>TLDR: Your disk is probably very fragmented.You can fix this by using a disk defragmenter, which basically takes all the pieces of data on the drive and groups them together, so stuff that is used together is physically located close to each other on the disk. windows has this built in, but I believe the general consensus is that a tool like defraggler is either faster and/or more effective.

>>3768 This whole thing sounds retarded and on top of that if you had an SSD under a regular process launching scheme, the thing you're trying to launch wouldn't take any time at all since reads on SSDs are super fast and that's really the only thing that takes any perceivable amount time when launching a process. >>3769 >when it gets to about 92% RAM usage I noticed that there are thresholds that the windows does not like if you surpass. For win7 it was 90% and after that the OS tried to aggressively use the swap and reclaim memory however it could, completely fucking up your user experience in the process. After win7 they moved it to 80% which is ludicrous because with how much bloat came after 7 and with 20% of your memory unusable, you really need an expensive computer just to read the fucking newspaper online. >>3770 >What is it saying the response time is? I don't know, I don't think the task manager gives you that information and I didn't check anything else. I still have that computer though I don't use it anymore, I'm going to boot it up later to see how much fragmenting there's on the disk but I just think windows was just conveniently not reporting some of what it was doing.

>>3038 Better version of that image.

After going through https://unknown.spam/ltsc on and off all day in a vain attempt to get a debloated Windows, only to have made essentially zero progress because the guide is some months out of date about the tools it requires for an early step now missing parts that I can only identify and attempt to hunt down one at a time as each attempt to install a language pack tells me one more file is missing, I've come to personally understand that this task is just as obtuse and as much a waste of time as dealing with installing a GNU/Linux distro and virtual machines and trying to play obscure Japanese games that I already had to fight to get to work on Wangblows in the first place. Privacy and peak processing efficiency just aren't worth anyone's time unless you have severe autism and find joy in the process of tinkering more than you do whatever end goal it is you're tinkering to achieve. I've resigned myself to using Wangblows 10 on my new computer, and eventually Wangblows 11 when 10 support fades away. Microcock can rape my asshole, force me to buy unnecessary RAM and blackmail me for all I'm worth. I don't care anymore. Just fuck my shit up.

>>15312 You're one stupid faggot.

>>15312 >installing Japanese Wangblows 10 for 超寝取られ in a VM running inside Wangblows 10+1 instead of putting LANG=ja_JP.utf8 in front of wine gemu.exe on Gentoo Sodomy defenda.

alguien conoce a ese Daniel? vive en Cumbres Le Fontaine

>>15312 Using Linux and wime/vm for uncompatible software is not that hard, nigger; and yes, tinkering is fun, if you don't find it fun then computers are not for you.