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>I don't know what they thought you at your school, but we covered the hladomor (thats what we call it in my country) in Ukraine, and yeah, it was a tragedy.
If you want the "short" version of the history taught in American schools (At least as of 10-15 years ago), it's basically summed up as white people (American in particular) are the reason behind every bad thing that ever happened in history ever. And this was
before they started declaring that "we" "stole" everything from everyone else.
>That changes nothing about the tragedy of the holocaust, or any other tragedy in history
Yes, it does. Do you see people vohemiantly declaring their hatred for Communists and running around declaring how they'll punch as a Marxist?
I think the last time I saw anything of the sort was in Japan in 1960 with the assassination of Asanuma. Because everywhere I see both IRL and on social media, people only ever talk about their hatred for Hitler (
Who declared that he copied all his politics from the Marxists) and how much they want to punch Fascists (
Except Mussolini did the same exact thing as Hitler). If you're missing the point, the question I'm asking is why is there this narative about a specific offshoot of a genocidal ideology, that happened in a specific place, and that we're "all" suppose to specifically hate this specific version that happened at that specific point in history, yet we're not allowed to hold that same hatred towards all the other versions of that same ideology when it has been practiced elsewhere and committed equal or far worse horrors because
those where somehow "totally different" and "not as important"?
>Also, don't know where you heard that its illegal to visit the death camps
I didn't say it's illegal to visit the camps, I said that it's illegal to question the narrative in the countries where said camps exist. In that if you question the validity of the claim, that Nazi Germany between the years of 1941 and 1945 systematically killed no less than six million Jews through the use of Zyklon B gas, then you're under arrested:
https://infogalactic.com/info/Laws_against_Holocaust_denial
>I am sure someone has said that, but there are still people who lived through the Holocaust that you can personally talk to.
<You talking about the 100, ~200~~, 400 thousand survivors still alive?
Now I'm reminded of that joke from Mister Roberts about the palm trees multiplying.
>As for the other claims, I never heard of those, nore do I particularly care, when I know that other horrible shit really did happen
Like the long-since disproven claims about the soap, the lampshade skins, and the shrunken heads? Or the electric floors that preceding the gas chambers claims?
>but the treatment of the prisoners was inhumane
Worse than
Detroit the Pitesti prison experiments and Unit 731?
>And the gas chambers in some of the deay camps were also real
<You sure about that? (Third vid)
>Not to mention, it would have to be a global conspiracy
No, it wouldn't. You know about the story with the monkeys and the ladder?
And how that experiment never actually happened, but that doesn't stop people from believing that it did? Or how we're all suddenly suppose to universally hate one of the most famous New York business leaders, who was the darling of the media and politicians from his early success in the 1970's to his popular reality TV show in the Aughts, because running for office suddenly makes him worse than Hitler despite having views that were no more extreme than Bill Clinton? Or even look at the People's Republic of China, where the you have an entire generation that doesn't know about
RECENT events like the 1989 Tiananmen Square massacre despite Hong Kong holding annual vigils for it until three years ago.
>since there are actual, relatively easy ways to verify the Holocaust happened
I think you need to understand something. Absolutely
NO ONE is denying that Nazi Germany discriminated against the Jews, seized all their possessions, gave them the choice of either leaving the country entirely (
To a country of their choosing but they had to pay for it or the at-the-time newly created Israeli state that Nazi Germany was literally funding the establishment of, until England and France stepped in) or being sent to a labor camp, those sent to a labor camp experiencing less-than-favorable conditions, and those Jews at those labor camps with those less-than-favorable conditions were dying because there was a war going on. No one is denying any aspect of those.
WHERE people begin asking questions is in regards to where the "six million" number came from, and from what methods were those numbers calculated and verified. Like I said, there was a war going on, so of course a lot of Jews likely did die because of generic unsanitary conditions and starvation (
Especially when the Allies began bombing supply lines). But you're honestly going to tell me that Nazi Germany was so instinctly evil and heartless that, in a middle of a war that they were losing and was started because the country was bankrupt, they had the time and resources to build swimming pools just for the purposes of kicking Jews into them and pulling up the ladder like it was the fucking Sims? And the SS officers who were approving those behaviors towards the Jews were Jews themselves, even their own direct family members:
https://archive.ph/l6ugu
THAT'S where people's speculation as to the actual validity of the Holocaust begins. And it seems like the only responses provide to said questions is to shout people down and declare them as being "Anti-Sematic" for not trusting the narrative.
Does that sound familiar at all? Despite the fact that
AT THE SAME FUCKING TIME ALL THIS IS OCCURING IN EUROPE, the United States was
ALSO discriminated against Japanese citizens, seizing all their possessions, and shipping all of them (With zero exceptions) off to our own labor camps. Of course they pinky-promised that it was "temporary" and for their "protection" after the public was horrified by the Niihau incident and the attack on California by the I-17 submarine (
Nazi Germany also justifed the labor camps as "protection" for the Jews), but they never received their reparations for that incident. Nor does anyone really ever remember or talk about it.
> I don't know how you would convince enough actors to infiltrate many different countries, influence their own families, fake historical records of many of those countries and families, create locations that anyone can visit, and convince governments from around the world i all work for you
One can do it very simply, through money. However that's not what I'm arguing.
>there really aren't valid reasons to question if it happen, it did
Yes there is. Why is the Holocaust treated like the greatest tragedy known to man to the point of influencing the laws of entire countries, yet the same cannot be said about anything the Soviets did, anything the Chinese did, or (Hell) even a fraction of the atrocities that the Italians and the Japanese committed?
In some ways, it's a little funny that I'm also forgetting about how much damage non-authoritarian states like France also committed preceding and during those years as well, such as them being the direct cause of the Vietnam war.
>touch some grass
You're under 20, aren't you?
>and buy a plane ticket to europe
How can I when Europe is deadset on making air travel non-existent five years from now:
https://archive.ph/Ja2Nc