>>44893 Meant for >>44823

>>44901 Whaaaaeeet? dont mind me I just want to baubaupost

>>44893 Learn English pajeet.

>>44536 that's a batposter, there's many of them

>>44893 there is still tower they dont have ID but then dont allowed shitposting either, its all hugbox in there thread is superfast but nobody is actually talking to each other the hlgg threads read like a fucking live stream chat feed if you want to shitpost here then there is ID so anons can easily ignore you if you shitpost there some over zealous powertripping new jannie will shoot you for talking shit about their e-whores those jannies will probably ease up afterawhile, when they finally bored of their new found powers but 4chan will probably be back by then so yeah either just stop shitposting for couple of weeks until 4chan is back or you can still go to /#/ for your shitposting need

>>45039 except the tower is holo dominated and other corpos are only tolerated in one general due to halfchan dying

>>45060 no? that's where the main small corpo thread is right now, and there are other indie threads there they're just mostly dead because those people are here instead (in also fairly dead threads)

>>45060 I'm sure most shitposters only want to shit on holo there is nothing fun about shitting on the literal who

>>45097 tell that to the /pkg/schizo

>>45088 Also the moderation has explicitly said they're allowing other threads there and they're even defending those threads from the guys who come in to spam with trash telling them to get out. It's happened multiple times in the tower /lig/

>>44893 The ones demanding flags are the same ones who were freaking out about IDs - they don't actually want flags they just want to discredit the idea of IDs because they're sad they can't get away with shitposting as easily as they did back on /vt/.

>>45088 having IDs has only improved /wvt/

>>45119 personally I will just shitpost regardless of ID or flags if you lurk these korean bibimbap recipes forum enough you can kinda tell when someone is shitposting on not and when someone is going over the line like spamming literal chinese pizza, barbecue bacon cheeseburger or guro stuffs then most of the time janny will usually step in and get rid of him anyway until he ban evade and spam the thread within 20 seconds making the thread unusable until he get bored or mod range ban his IP and all the VPN ips

is this place dead or do you guys forget that you can use .se if the .moe is slow?

>>45552 not much to say other than talking in circles

>>45561 lets timeloop dox rules again. global rules are fine and the only added board rule should be all flesh should be spoilered

>>45582 My two cents: voluntary fleshposting on main or an officially acknowledged alt should be spoilered, everything else (like soft dox) should be disallowed.

>>45582 I'm fine with doxing if they keep it tasteful like keep it in one containment dox thread or something spoiler and all? basically just treat it as it is NSFW I still want to be able to talk about how I wank to canan's tits when I see noel's tits everynow and then

>>45761 >how I wank to canan's tits when I see noel's tits everynow and then based

>>44008 Old habits die hard...

>>45976 >this week. I'm pretty sure she was doxed like almost a year ago already Its just now they noticed

>>45668 >officially acknowledged alt if a vtuber has an alt it's because she wants people to see it, officially acknowledged or not

>>46006 I count RM accounts as not officially acknowledged alts, therefore "Not Kiara" fleshposts shouldn't be allowed. Halfchan users got around this by having a general for her RM in /cgl/. In the case of my oshi these RM accounts are all privated.

>>46004 This should be fine but making it a containment thread should be the way to go because I think, very much like /#/, some or many would want to hide it and the rest should be decided by how the generals develop which shouldn’t be an issue unless they have one too many schizos.

the idea of a doxx containment thread is fucking retarded

>>46176 Agreed. Doxxniggers can just fuck off to the farms, tva, or preferably the inside of a woodchipper.

>>46111 fucking seagulls

>>46121 tva and the farms exist, having any kind of actual dox sanctioned here serves no real purpose but also plposting isn't usually much of a dox and often done more for thread shittery than anything else openly fleshposting also isn't dox and most people are voluntarily spoilering it as a compromise which seems to be working out well enough

>>45154 So far what I’ve read is anon’s with this opinion aren’t usually from small threads and apparently some don’t want to talk even with ID’s that should expire the next thread, if it’s keeping people from engaging I think it’s an overall loss since we have jannie’s who seem to be doing a pretty good job I’d say either get rid of the ID’s or disable it for smaller threads unless there’s majority of those small threads say to keep ID’s. But either way it’s all heresay so I can’t fully back up anything and only trust the jannie’s.

>>46232 both /asp/ and /wvt/ like the IDs

>>44265 I agree with this. This would retain the benefits of IDs while minimizing some of the drawbacks. Most schizos are either long term shit posters with well identifiable posting habits, or hit and run types who post until they get janny'd then wake up a few hours later and try again

>>46232 we were talking earlier about implementing a system where the IDs just expire after some few hours, helps keep the initial usefulness of IDs for filtering bursts of shitposting and retains the anonymity in threads that last for long periods of time

>>46176 The idea for /#/ is too and they’re still here, the BO doesn’t seem to have a problem with it so I guess put up with it or wait until 4chan is back. No skin off my back either way I’d just hide it.

>>46232 Small generals seem split on IDs but are almost universally against flags. Large generals, especially multiple generals tied to the same corpo like phase have the capacity to maintain their separate boards, like nijis and holos already do.

>>46291 Numberfaggotry can be cancerous but it's not on the same level. I also can't imagine any vtuber lurking/#/ ever whereas doing has consequences that go beyond a random imagedoard thread.

>>46176 >>46190 the problem is everyones definition of dox. other 'characters' played by the same 'actor' isn't really dox. the best you can really do with board rules is target 3dpd posting, but then theres plenty of vtubers that also flesh stream

>>46323 KEKAROO like they don’t post RM tweets and talk about what they do and gossip as if they’re getting pay for it, fuck off.

The fact that there's a weird fixation on wanting to post real faces of vtubers is a bad enough sign that it shouldn't be allowed. The moment it gets free reign, every little nigger will only talk about that and use it as bait, also the site will obviously become extremely popular once normalfags find it and start leaking everything. You don't even have to look anywhere just type some holo names in google or youtube and one of the first suggestions will be "real face" because that's all tourist niggers care about. But it is factually irrelevant to their content (unless they actually make it a part of their content) this shouldn't be allowed.

>>46393 >KEKAROO You're glowing.

>>46341 >the problem is everyones definition of dox >>>/site/6955 This is pretty clearly defined, and we can make board rules stricter.

>>46473 yea I agree all that is dox, what I meant was that in the vtuber space for some reason 'we' rebranded dox to include other 'characters' acted by the same person. thats a hard rule to define without jannies knowing all vtubers and their alters.

>>46242 Cool keep them I’m just worried about what >>43449 said if his threads are getting fucked by this retarded ID’s than I’d ditch them, at least for me, I never cared for bait or samefagging I’m not 24h here so I never thought someone would be bored enough to pretend to be like 10 people but BO seems to be on the “choose your own adventure” vibe so at least figure out a work around for them.

>>46509 >'we' rebranded dox to include other 'characters' acted by the same person That's a holo thing and >>>/baubau/ has explicitly banned PL posting.

>>46434 >faces who care about face I just want to see her tits and/or maybe feet

>>46602 >That's a holo thing God I hate holofags so much

Why are brown people so obsessed with posting about the females behind the characters? Is this their rape culture?

In the abscence of a proper archive, I am looking for nominations for high quality threads that have ran their course and are at risk of deletion. Please link your nominations in >>>/vault/1. I don't know a thing about vtubers, but surely with so many posters, there must be something of value here, right?

>>46949 Our board isn't really designed to produce iconic threads like the old 4chan screenshots you see floating around. Most of our discussion is longform and in designated generals for specific groups of VTubers, and then the normal threads that fill in the gaps are usually just drama and shitposting. I appreciate you stopping by here though

>>46949 As the other anon said, most of the traffic takes place in generals which I don't think are worth to be archived, but maybe we'll produce something valuable someday.

When I make a post, I get sent down to the bottom of the thread, and need to go back a page to return to where I was. Can that be removed or become a toggle?

if israel, 4chan may stay kill for a while longer lol

>>46949 >>46995 >>32391 is by no means a high quality thread, but I do think it's a good example of why IDs work, and why trying to understand schizos is a fool's errand

>>47093 this is palestine

>>47093 Good, fuck 'em. RapeApe and Hiroshimoot were taking in ad revenue while doing fuck all for the site and almost all the jannies either ignored or actively encouraged shitting up boards. /vt/ was a fucking mess despite there being 13 fucking jannies - in /vt/'s case it wasn't just incompetence it was actual maliciousness on the part of a lot of them.

>>47131 >in /vt/'s case it wasn't just incompetence it was actual maliciousness on the part of a lot of them. I think jannies are just lazy. It's voluntary slavery, there is no pay-off and the novelty of being a hall monitor wears off after 6 months, which is why they need fresh blood every now and then.

>>46995 >>47017 Nah, I'm sure you guys will put out something even I don't understand it myself.

>>47100 That's pretty fucking funny actually. I'm going to nominate it myself. I'm not a gvol at the moment, so bother them about moving it over once it slows down and is like on page 9. I think the IDs will be preserved if it is moved, though I know for a fact that post numbers are automatically reassigned.

>>46949 I know /wool/ likes having their stuff archived but I wouldn't exactly call it "important" content

>>47284 I'll drop on by. Thanks for the tip.

>>47203 They weren't actually that lazy, calling someone a SEAnig during certain hours or breaking the rules when it was related to a janny's oshi got you rekt in seconds, they just decided to partake in or at least enable the shitposting and ban people who reported their posts while leaving doxx and schizo spam up

>>47093 >you will receive justice is this happened to you couldn't even check for typos apparently

>>47093 AI JANNIES LET'S GO!

>>45582 Here's some screencaps I found that gives some context on why vtuber "doxxing" is treated the way it is for anyone curious. Make of it what you will

>>47093 Josh Moon of Kiwi doesn't think its real and I kind of agree, the "voice" is different than the first email and that one looks far more legitimate.

>>47366 This is from back when HoloEN was new and most people didn’t even know who their past lives were. Now that it’s all basically public knowledge and one google search away, sometimes even forced down your throat by youtube/x/whatever, I think the discussion would have shifted a little. Past lives are no longer as taboo as they once were, especially with some talents returning to their old accounts as a known fact.

So /vyt/ isn't the second fastest board anymore? We got usurped by /gacha/?

>>47093 This looks like something written by an ESL and rapeape is from Ireland. Also we had conflicting leaks from irc earlier. I don't think it's real. I hope it is, though. Fuck them.

>>47487 That makes sense, gachashit took over /vg/ long ago and forced out a bunch of games

>>47502 Speaking of IRC, was that screencap claiming that the site will be back in a couple days legit or just from some randos who don't know shit?

>>47487 what the fuck do they even talk about in gacha threads for them to be that fast

>>47556 console wars got taken to a new level there

>>47487 spooked me too but considering most holofags are on tower we're like 80% slower now

>>47556 having sex with gacha women probably, just like me and vtubers but also guild dramas and us vs them bullshit

>>47556 20% gameplay 50% talking about how they wanna fuck PNGs and 30% calling each other slurs

>>47581 they're just like us fr fr

>>47556 Animated or still, the power of cute anime girls resonates within anon's soul

>>47445 This. I'll draw a hard line with their other accounts not related to vtubing, but their other vtuber personas should not be banned from discussion. Them flesh posting on their vtuber accounts should be spoilered to prevent fragile fantasies from being shattered.

>>47487 Holo and Niji have their own boards

>>47566 It's kind of a shame they didn't migrate here. If the holobros had moved here I think this could've been a viable place to stay even after 4chan comes back

>>45761 >mp4 QRD?

>>47832 Holofags want their own reddit ivory tower.

>>47556 As someone who's occasionally visited /vg/ because of the MMO threads, gacha threads were rather similar to /vt/ generals but with even more circlejerky discordfagging and notorious schizos camping there all day.

>>47838 i dont speak japenis but she is seething about youtube

>>47832 I actually think it's the healthiest, Holos go to holotower, nijis go to the niji board, everything else comes here. If 4chan stayed down, we would have enough activity to keep the board alive, but unfortunately it's gonna come back and everyone will migrate back anyway.

Also a /swarm/fag got banned from holotower for "Discordshit" which is ironic because they're more discord than discord. >>47117

>>45761 >I'm fine with doxing if they keep it tasteful actual mentally ill opinion

>>47916 why are those retards on a holoboard to begin with?

>>47843 >>47832 It's really quite gay. They retreated to their hugbox which ironically has worse catalog spam and schizoposting than /here/, despite being very liberal with bans. They've just cut themselves off from the greater vtuber community. Once the next holoen gen is announced, they'll have no clue who it could potentially be, as no indiefags will be there to tell them.

>>47936 Some retard a couple of threads back convinced them to.

>>47942 >They've just cut themselves off from the greater vtuber community so fucking what? both communities are strong enough to stand on their own at this point

>>47916 Well what do they mean by discordshit? If someone spammed discord invite links or something like that then it's deserved.

>>47942 >they'll have no clue who it could potentially be, as no indiefags will be there to tell them. They've said in the past they prefer it that way, but in practice it never seems to be the case.

>>47966 Oh, I know the ban was deserved. Knowing swarm, they probably posted discord screenshots, which is regular on /swarm/

>>47984 I don't know whats actually happened but even in the thread people are saying it's deserved. Also it seems like its just a a 3 hours long meme ban to contain the spamming so really its a nothingburger either way.

>>47942 Their community is the greater VTuber community now, chuubas are running from Hololive literally as fast as they can

>>47964 We'll be fine, I don't think holofags would be though. >>47970 From glancing at holotower, they really want to start up consolewar faggotry with /vyt/ They love hating non-holo vtuber fans, it feeds into their ego, they enjoy having niji, phase and indie fans just on the catalog with them, to blame for shit and to attack for fun. If 4chan/vt never returns as the true central hub, I fully believe holotower would regularly raid /vyt/ for fun/out of lonliness

>>48023 >From glancing at holotower, they really want to start up consolewar faggotry with /vyt/ They tried but that gets shut down quickly too.

>>48023 I don't think holofags from holotower would go back to 4chan. They finally stopped lying to themselves that they want 4chan when in reality they want reddit. So yeah, they would raid /vyt/ for shits and giggles.

you just know they're coming over here if any holodrama happens but will pretend they hate it on the holotower

>>47487 Did you never leave /vt/ before the hack anon? Gacha easily surpassed vtubers in discussion or mentions across all boards.

>>48102 The new era of autistic tribalfagging, this time isn't among companies but boards.

>>48124 So wait, /vg/ surpasses /vt/ on the regular on 4chan?

>>48160 Wow. I didn't know gambling addictions are that popular.

>>48060 Funnily enough I was banned there despite posting in another thread, just for suggesting some Holo fans may intentionally shit up non-Holo threads

>>48185 they definitely do, same with phasekeks

>>48174 /hlgg/ is regularly the fastest thread on the site but /vt/ isnt the fastest board and never has been except for event streams

>>48199 Wow. Well now I know.

>>48150 Soyjack party basically started the chan wars.

>>48185 They definitely do that from what I've seen but you can't kill schizos that easily, they will always be there somewhere. I'm pretty sure there's a few crossposters who try shitting up both places already. If /vt/ stayed down I think this would adjust with time but everyone's just gonna go back anyway.

>>48222 begun, the chan wars have.

>>48228 I dunno about you but I'm staying here. It's so much better and jannies don't have a hateboner and a temper tantrum against us.

>>48066 >>48102 >>48023 >>47942 I lurked a little there and it doesn't seem like how you guys say at all. Literally the same Hololive generals having the same discussions as before. Don't understand why it's warranting so much seethe ITT?

>>48246 >cue Imperial March

>>48102 Once /vt/ open back up this place is gonna become the new nyfco. Where people talk about everything they arent allowed to on /vt/

>>48263 >anon learns people lie on the internet

>>48222 feels like an extended april fools event

>>48251 I would prefer to stay here as well, but there's no point if it's gonna become a ghosttown. Regardless, we'll see.

>>48286 tva already exists, unfortunately

>>48263 There definitely was an attempt when I last checked but it got jannied quick. >>48060

>>48251 we'll all have to go back home immediately anon...

>>48317 Dammit. I know you meant the virtual asylum, but I keep thinking Téléviseurs associés.

>>48160 Not as a meme, but have you noticed that a lot of boards are kind of turning against /pol/. Also /pol/ is slowing down when they were at one point that fastest. The only boards left they have major influence over seem to be /v/ and /tv/. And i have seen a growth of complians about them in /v/. Also a couple of years back some news report on 4chan implied /pol/ was getting special treatment by some admins.

>>48263 The mods there are very liberal with deletions, so you need to be in the thread a minute or two after someone says it, or it's purged. But some people there are wanting to start up consolewar shit between websites

>>48251 >>48300 I'm staying/returning based fully on if my main general migrates back.

>>48317 tva is a forum and requires an account for a lot of stuff, that slows down a lot of people. Nyfco allowed comments without an account.

>>48324 No. You'd have to have a battered wife syndrome to go back there. The moderation here is better, site features are better, and I heard they're integrating 4chanx features here. I never used 4chanx but I know a lot of anons can't live without them. Why would you go back to the inferior site? For nostalgia? Too big to fail mentality? Can't let go of the name 4chan?

>>48382 Convince them to stay here.

>>48390 Lmao, reminds me of gamergate. Exact same thing was said back in the day. About how 4/v/ was moderation sucks, and how they were gonna lose so many users and some time passed amd everyone went back to /v/. I do think this place will stay active because the moderation is looser here. So people will vome here to talk about anything that gets deleted on /v/.

>>48428 >/v/ So yes, battered wife syndrome.

>>31542 >>39976 >>40047 >>40983 >>48286 >>48428 nice try jackass

>>48287 Well I wanted to give the benefit of the doubt and not assume it's sisters trying to start tribal wars over something as petty as imageboards, but that sadly seems to be the case... >>48356 Well haven't gotten banned so far, or really seen any spamming shitposters, but i'll wait and see.

>>48455 Oh wow I noticed.

>>8620 Am I region blocked? From EU and can only access with VPN.

>>48485 Did you try 8chan.moe or 8chan.cc?

>>48390 4chanX has an amazing filter system, for both hiding and highlighting over a dozen criteria. For example, you can easily get rid of avatarfags by filtering by md5 hash, or you can pin your favorite generals on top by subject line. Another thing I made use of is the fact that at least half of all bait threads have the subject field empty. I also loved the feature of uploading images by URL instead of having to download, upload and delete every time.

>>48485 apparently banned in germany

>>48516 >I also loved the feature of uploading images by URL instead of having to download, upload and delete every time. Okay. That's actually good. I hope site admins can implement the feature soon.

>>48509 Same with 8chan.moe and 8chan.cc doesn't even load. >>48527 Not even Germany...

>>48485 >>48547 I'm also European and I use .se without issues, unlike .moe which sometimes returns an empty response, .cc never worked. I think it's your ISP that does the blocking, not 8chan.

>>48547 Maybe your ISP?

>>48485 isp block probably

>>48382 What's your main general?

>>48568 The one with 11 threads up

>>48485 if you're hitting the varnish cache you're at least halfway contacting the site. no clue why its not forwarding you to a backend though

>>48382 My main general which I won't say because of the Europhobic flag schizo is content on staying here for multiple reasons.

>>48527 sviden and israel too

thank you for adding IDs

>>48356 >i saw one guy make a throwaway shitpost about raiding that was, in fact, thrown away >this means they're out to get us mmkay

>>48621 I like flags, I think they're really cool but it does suck if you're from malta and have /flip/ as your general. You'll always be remembered and known as the Maltese Snacker. I still really like flags though.

>>48781 Multiple posts and a mod even confirmed it was multiple posters >>48060

Almost all meta posting about IDs seems to have moved into my general and there are tons of new IDs entering the thread exclusively to post their opinion about it. It has almost completely eclipsed the topic of the thread itself, and devolved into nothing but trolling. Setting aside the fact that IDs were supposed to prevent this behavior, is this something that should be actioned by jannies or not?

>>48929 I mean, that's just /pcg/ being /pcg/ during dead hours

>>48929 I only just opened the thread but the posting style of this schizo >>48921 is suspiciously similar to the guy who embarrassed himself by spamming a gura thread and has been posting shit like this ever since >>47826 >>48193 You're being "raided" by an autistic person and you should report him.

>>48929 pcg mostly wants to self police and I'm under the impression most of them don't mind an off topic derail now and then I assume they'll mostly get it out of their system and go back to posting whatever when the next major stream starts?

>>48929 As >>49007 said, it's a schizo who once spent 14 hours straight shitting up /haha/ and /mint/ back on /vt/. He's extremely mentally ill.

>>49007 >The file names match too WE GOT ONE

>>48929 >>49021 also consider the time-honored jdif strat of posting porn to distract them harder to take bait while you're jerking off

>>48929 Tbf /pcg/ has been a dumping ground for meta posting for years. This is more of a community issue than raiders.

>>48929 /lig/ has been having a large discussion about IDs as well, there's division over whether the benefit of being able to identify shit stirrers outweighs the downside of the bulk of the thread's population being too afraid of making funny, horny, outlandish, or serious posts, because they don't want those posts associated with their identity. It's also devolved into accusations about ID hopping

>>49360 Seems like there is only one person and everyone is telling them to calm down.

>>49431 There have been people expressing their unwillingness to post all week, today was just sort of the culmination of that

>>49360 oh this is what it was about? oen schizophrenic faggot derailing /lig/ and then run crying to meta and pretend theirs something big going on. lol

>>49481 >(1)

>>49468 It seems like most people disagree with you anon.

>>49360 I noticed today some of the wool posters have gotten over it if they can nut up, liggerman can, too they might need someone to break the ice

>>49503 exactly, you schizophrenic retard. someone linked your post here while you were shitting up /lig/ and crying about IDs. everyone was telling you off and yet you cockroach ran to meta and lie

>>49508 this was my opinion day one. i myself had to nut up too. just get over the anxiety and do it anyway, 99% of cases nobody will look at your ID and when it does happen its not as painful as you imagined.

>>49508 Probably helps that one of them currently makes up a third of the entire thread and it's hard to stand out more than that

>>49508 Maybe. Either way, whether it's people deciding that IDs aren't worth it and they're removed, or people become comfortable posting with IDs and start making creative posts again, it'll just take time

>>49506 I don't find it convincing that proponents of a self-censoring feature are more vocal than opponents. Personally, I don't like IDs - I argued against them when people daydreamed of them on 4ch, and most of the same for/against arguments have already been made here and in respective threads.

>>49568 >trying to play both sides now thats right cockroach. /lig/ chased you out and now you have your tail between your leg after a failed attempt at "heh guise we should just remove ids am rite fellas!?"

>>49624 What you just witnessed is called compromise and understanding. It's amazing the things that you can achieve when you speak politely and try to understand the other person's point of view instead of coming into the conversation already angry about months worth of posts that you bottled up inside from a website that doesn't even exist anymore.

>>49737 >heh if i take the high road now i win after shitting up lig for hours and then come here to cry about how bad IDs are and how everyone wants it gone after everyone in lig told you to fuck off lmao!!!

>>49532 how do you get that anxious over a thread based ID. you're still anonymous

>>49506 >pocket jannies in here for 12 hours >goes to thread to ask >ignores everyone else This is sad.

>>49810 Because you still post in similar ways across threads. Maybe you make a ritualpost or a going live post or some other identifying post. The anxiety part can be debated, but if you're any sort of regular poster then you're functionally not anonymous

>>49833 what did I ignore exactly, anon

>>44265 >If anything, the IDs should be generated based on the IP + datetime or <hours passed since thread's creation> so that they change every few hours. That way slow threads can still have some resemblance of anonymity in them and threadshitters will still not be able to stir up shit with their samefaggotry. This is a good idea, assuming the devs are able to program it

>>49873 two replies after that and the people that mentioned they weren't a fan before 3 people derailed the fucking thread arguing about ids

>>49945 >>49465 the two posts I skipped seem like a non answer to me but i guess youre right

>>49907 yeah this seems reasonable, though i wouldn't make it reset too often, maybe every 12h at least. threads here last for days right now. >>49810 anxiety isn't rational. you expect the consequences of your actions to be worse than they actually would be in reality.

>>50323 huh

>>50330 Deleted, what was it?

>>50341 niji en general op

>>50347 testbake looks like wonder why they're back

>>50433 They have an entire board to themself, no idea why some of them would choose to move to /vyt/ unless there's been some internal disagreement.

Obvious answer: it's a falseflagging schizo

>>50433 It was a lost pentomo, don't worry

>>50460 aren't most mods board specific? maybe theirs suck

Here's the explanation, don't spend it all in one place

>>50777 Poor pentomo.

I like IDs, flags were fun on bant for a bit but I can see how they would get annoying. can we get an option when creating a new thread to include or not include flags or IDs? in theory generals could come to a consensus on which they like to use or not use but i imagine it might get abused by threadshitters alternatively i would be interested in another day without IDs to see what happens

>>51409 >can we get an option when creating a new thread to include or not include flags or IDs? Nah, that's mod power, and it'd lent itself to catalog shitting.

>>51409 problem is you're gonna get a lot of op schizos that want to bake and it's gonna be a fucking mess. let the mods handle that one. plus IDs are net positve.

>>51409 I like the idea of cycling IDs every 6 hours. It's enough to keep persistent trolls away while honest posters can still retain some aspects of anonymity in slower threads, and the frequency of cycling can be easily changed if needed. It also doesn't become an issue with dishonest bakers. Also on a similar note, do OPs get bumped by their own replies? That could be disabled to further discourage samefagging. Self bumps don't really serve an honest purpose if the catalog is this slow and it will keep samefagged bait threads from pushing other threads off of the catalog.

>>52785 6 hours is too short. 12 or 24 would be better

>>53158 no it's not, even a few hours is plenty. IDs have virtually no use to filter schizos past an hour or two. 6 hours is fine as a middle ground.

>>52785 I don't think the site has those features yet.

>>47093 their "amazing" website was basically dead because of retarded jannies that refused to do their jobs properly/pwertripped. fuck them

>>53293 *retarded jannies + mods

Linking here for why IDs are bad >>45367

>>53564 If that's you then you're just a massive faggot.

>>53564 shitting up a thread is only fun for the shitter

>>53564 >being afraid to post about rape Sad. Glad /pcg/ still does it.

>>53698 Define shitting up. He provided plenty of examples. Do you consider them all negative? >>53652 No but I agree with it

>>53741 You're a massive faggot if you're afraid to say rape because of poster IDs

>>53564 If anything it shows id's are beneficial

>>53762 >thinks it's about me This is about anons in general. They post differently when marked with an ID. >>53777 >beneficial >kills fun

>>53564 What's keeping you from talking about rape? I love rape.

>>53797 Go check with the anons who have gone silent

>>53794 The sentiment is the same. If anyone is afraid of posting anything just because of IDs then he's a massive faggot.

>>53826 Post it

>>53826 Being a massive faggot is okay. They're my massive faggots and I want them to feel comfortable posting whatever retarded shit comes to their mind that makes them laugh

>>53847 post what?

>>53847 Who? My oshi? Ina. Yes I would. Especially her. High Impact Sexual Violnce. I WANNA RAPE INA.

>>53564 not only do we talk about rape in our general, our oshi came to our general to tell us she'd rape us too

Gonna say it, IDs fucking suck.

>>53907 Fuck off to holotower then faggot.

>>53921 I don't watch Hololive though.

>>53942 They allow non-holos apparently. You want a hugbox? There's your hugbox.

>>53564 but this shows why IDs are good

>>53963 What do IDs have to do with hugboxes?

Guys I just started toying with vt gaming on youtube, I made a board for it here >>>/intl/

>>53847 Do you have a fetish for guys saying they want to rape a girl or something?

if i can please request a feature from 4chanx addon: pressing Q opening Quick Reply box

This place's watch thread feature (as well as holotower's) being virtually useless is quite annoying

So how many pages are there before a thread gets bumped off and deleted? Because I checked /v/ and they have threads all the way up to page 19

>>54570 It's on a per-board basis. I think the board owner set it to 1000 threads last I saw, that was in a post earlier in this thread

>>54049 >If anyone is afraid of posting anything Post it

please dont choose any new jannies or people capable of influencing anything at all until 4chan is back up for a t least a week or two. this is a rare chance for a fresh start and we dont want anything to do with the old guard

I think that some of the people who want IDs removed are vtubers themselves.

>>55171 orly? my chuuba likes it >>41816

>>55233 Just a hunch, but I don't think that anon was referring to openly, blatantly /here/tubers with handles like "bunnyonvt" And Kiki could always tripfag if she was worried about impersonation, IDs aren't solving a problem there. She'd just have to get over the stigma and realize that her case is a rare justified use of the feature.

>>55370 fair, but then it is also fair to suggest to other chuubas to get a vpn or reset their ip

>>55370 if all a vtuber contributed to the board was shilling themselves or crabbing on others then i consider it another positive of IDs that those ones get filtered out a vtuber that actually uses the board and occassionally drops their own link would blend in just fine and no one would question it

>>54839 oh yeah, this would be a dangerous thing considering some jannies actually were powertripping retards

>>55391 Difference is one is conveniently built into the site and completely opt-in as needed, the other requires jumping through hoops. I don't see them as very comparable in terms of user experience.

>>55504 how is setting up a trip not jumping through hoops? that distinction doesn't matter, changing your ip is something nearly everyone knows how to do while only faggots ever learned how trips work

>>54053 >>>/site/

I thought more artists would have found it naturally but the drawthread is on holotower, i'd make one here but IDs aren't enough to stop that level of schizo https://holotower.org/hlgg/res/37018.html

>>55844 You could try regardless, I see one anon there had problems with file uploads.

>>55871 he tried to double it up like you can here, uploads themselves are fine

>>55895 That counts. I didn't make a lot of requests back on halfchan, but having to catbox refsheets and poses was always annoying.

>>53293 >that refused to do their jobs properly You say that, but I remember getting insta-banned twice for bringing up A&S in FWMC threads. One time it was just posting a screenshot of their RCT2 Let's Play, the other time it was name-dropping them. There are some jannies who are overly active for specific time intervals, so I think the real issue is that they quickly reach burnout, hence why there needs to be a constant flow of new jannies.

TL;DR: IDs will harm your fun, but nobody can say how much. Do you mind that risk more than you mind shitposters? >>53564 This guy's point is valid. Posters attacking that line of reasoning don't understand the impact on the culture dimension of a board. I've felt apprehensive about replying two times in a row, for example, because I found another post I wanted to comment on. That's because I'm a massive insecure fag and as people said, I should just get over it. Maybe I will. Maybe other posters will have left before they will, lowering the potential for, and harming the fun. (You) can dismantle my post, the potential for negatively impacting culture won't go away. Downsides like what that lig post explained are simply things that need to be weighed against the benefit of immediately filtering aidsposters who want your thread or split to be miserable today. I lean towards IDs because I was a regular in several small corpo threads from early 2022 onwards, where just one poster can be a massive disruption, but the argument this anon makes is not something you can overcome with a high IQ line of reasoning, it's just a reality you need to factor in. Yes, IDs can be manipulated and are therefore not perfect. Bans can be evaded, even on 4chins. Any measure can be bypassed, stuff like this is simply raising the barrier to entry a little higher.

>>56142 The only way IDs have modified my behavior is by making me stop responding to low-effort bait with even lower effort bait. I can understand the idea of them having a dampening effect but realistically I think once people are used to the system they'll adapt. A one post by this ID post doesn't have to be a negative.

>>56142 you are not wrong, but not only can one think that the benefit outweighs you're also not telling the full story. the moment of introspection and indecision doesn't just prevent some posts but may create room for other better posts. instead of you replying to bait someone else may divert attention with something more interesting. you yourself may come up with a wittier post because you feel you have more to lose by posting haphazardly. on 4chan i was gifted a pass and i could notice my quality of posts drop over time as i didn't need to solve the captcha or wait as long between posts. in short, you are correct. IDs will result in less posts to some extent, but sometimes less is more. sometimes constraints increase rather than reduce activity. both of these effects will happen to some extent.

>>56226 true and real

>>56226 see? i didn't bother spellchecking... >the benefit outweighs the cost and >sometimes constraints increase rather than reduce creativity

>>56142 >Do you mind that risk more than you mind shitposters? Yes. Absolutely yes. This schizo sat on /vt/ all day, every day, spamming the board constantly. If he kept his trip the entire time it would've been fine and easy to filter, but most of the time he had it off, he would cooldown post a bunch of ritual posts for the entire thread, which was usually noticeable because he used old ones that never got posted any more. He would make dumb low effort bait questions, would make a bunch of threads on the catalog just so he could run back to /pcg/ and go WTF THIS? while linking to it. He'd go into other threads and try and start shit blame /pcg/, while also sitting in /pcg/ and trying to blame shit on the other thread.

>>56245 That is solved with proper moderation. There is still a hidden ID on every post that mods can see if IDs are removed.

>>56245 That particular roodypoo, who also went by goldylogs and a ton of other names, was at least 1/4th of the schizos on the board by himself. He wasn't just in /pcg/ and he would cycle through different styles of shitting up the board every few months. It's one of the reasons I'll never go back to /vt/ because the jannies knew and let it happen, like they did for so much of the bullshit that went down on that board.

>>56308 they didn't just let it happen, they banned anyone who complained.

>>56316 I'm rather certain he was also the bat avatarfag from the last few months who would spam blacked cuck shit in /vsj+/, /lig/, and /pcg/. He had the same MO, the same immunity to reports, and the same obsession with Lumi. If he was one of the jannies I wouldn't be surprised.

>>56142 >This guy's point is valid. The point of that guy is that he wants to say RAPE If you're afraid of saying it with an ID you're a pussy anyway.

>>56316 same thing happened if you reported the /pkg/schizo, except when he went on a racist tirade then he'd get a slap on the wrist "ban"

>>56316 I got one of these when I reported a schizo that was gloating about doxing and threatening a vtuber's mom. Like great fucking job mods.

/vt/ really was the Warsaw Ghetto for vtuber fans, wasn't it

>>56316 I've recently gotten a warning for reporting a dude who had been spamming random pics of an off-topic chuuba on cooldown for multiple threads, and it's not even like I was pestering them about it because I had only reported a single one of his posts

>>56336 Pretending you don't understand his post doesn't invalidate the concern. >>56245 >>56308 Pure cancer, I had no clue this guy existed, only really watch shiina for cooking streams, sometimes. But I'd love to know if there was any overlap with /pkg/ for Sava Christmas, Norway, or just general bullshit in /eien/ or /v4m/. Either way, those kinds of posters are the perfect example.

>>53158 The whole point of the idea of cycling IDs is to benefit slower generals specifically so that their posters aren't stuck with the same ID for needlessly long periods of time. 6 hour cycling would roughly put them on par with the rate that the faster generals get new IDs when they move to new threads, 12 or 24 hour cycling would defeat the purpose.

>>56596 >There has not been one singular post about rape since IDs were enabled. See what you're fucking doing? WOMEN LOVE RAPE AND YOU'RE DENYING IT FROM THEM BECAUSE YOU'RE AFRAID OF SOME GUY RESPONDING TO YOU WITH "DON'T CARE". LET THE WOMEN HAVE THEIR RAPE, LIGGERMEN SHOULDN'T BE AFRAID TO SAY RAPE That was literally his (your) point, anon.

>>56824 yeah that's my idea too, /lig/ threads right now seem to be around 6-8 hours in the evenings (burger time), no need to go longer than that honestly I think it could be even shorter but it's a good compromising sweet spot for now

>>56824 i'm from a slower general and i think 12h is fine. our first thread is about to expire soon, and it will have lasted a total of... ~90 hours or nearly 4 days. lets say there were growing pains at the start and make that 2 days from now on, during which the IP would reset 4 times. i think that sounds fair.

>>56838 what if i want a mentally ill chuuba to rape me?

>>40424 nope

The more I think about it, the more I reach the conclusion that IDs, while useful, are necessary only in an environment with garbage mods. We haven't actually put the mods here to the test. As long as they're able to handle shitposters I think IDs might be superfluous. Because the real problem /vt/ had was unresponsive mods.

>>56988 I wouldn't consider that a slow general, there are plenty of slower generals that haven't even reached 200 posts yet. Back on halfchan these generals needed the art bumps, but now we don't, so things slowed considerably.

>>57225 Nothing. Why would you be ashamed about posting that?

>>57244 Speak for yourself, the crazy catalog thread with the dude schizoing out has been constantly trying to attack my thread and IDs are the only things really keeping him at bay. Maybe as an compromise, why not make IDs invisible to everyone but still allow filtering by ID? That way you can still filter out schizos and everyone can still be anonymous or whatever

>>57272 His oshi might disown him for it.

>>57255 makes sense. so what do you think, do those threads benefit from ID recycling or not and how often? >>57244 sure but you're putting the cart before the horse. lets make sure that moderation is good first. others have also said they would prefer to self-moderate by filtering too.

>>57277 >Speak for yourself, the crazy catalog thread with the dude schizoing out has been constantly trying to attack my thread and IDs are the only things really keeping him at bay. This is where jannies are supposed to come in tbdesu. >why not make IDs invisible to everyone but still allow filtering by ID? That's the same as leaving IDs visible because you can just filter then unfilter someone to see their posts. Full disclaimer I'm from /pcg/ and everyone including me is happy with IDs there. But I understand the point of view of slowgeneralfags who become involuntary tripfags because of them.

>>57244 >That's the same as leaving IDs visible because you can just filter then unfilter someone to see their posts. Anyone who would go that far is a genuine schizo

>>57351 Did you miss all the posts about mid-small generals that have schizos who specifically target down anons?

If we get flags, Can we get US state flags?

>>57364 I guess so. Honestly i think the best thing to do with the ID discussion is reconvene after having them for a full week or so and see how everyone has adjusted to the change.

>>57382 Right now it's still too early to tell and some anons are still finding their way /here/

>>57382 from constantly peeping in on discussions around the board, I think it might just be taking time might be delusional, but it looks like there's more and more goofy posting I think some anons are just autistic, don't like change, and they're holding on to 4chan coming back up to avoid trying to adapt, but then after seeing others do it and trying a bit it's like oh, no one actually gives a shit

>>57294 I don't have a problem with IDs as they currently are, but I am against flags because of >>57364. You should ask some anons from /wool/ what they think about ID recycling propositions, I know they don't like IDs for example.

>>57364 so far I don't think this has been happening and it's valueless off-topic threadshitting that doesn't have to be suffered here like it did on /vt/ but also, yes, if a user can still filter by id, they could easily script exposing all ids so it's the same as having them

>>57427 I don't think /wool/ is likely to engage in much of any discussion that isn't at least peripherally related to their streamers

>>57516 That place gives me the creeps so I won't do it, but all that's needed is to tell them about the discussion happening here, then it's up to them.

>>57516 they will for important things, but there would only be one or two active right now anyway theoretically rotating ids shouldn't be that hard to implement unless there's a quirk of the backend somewhere I wouldn't understand add datetime to the hash (for all boards should be fine and clean? it'd only apply on new ids anyway) and store id_datetime with the user information, on post with the other post checks do if (now - id_datetime > board.idexpirationlength) { rehash } and continue as normal the id on a post seems like it's stored in the post information itself since they don't change, so nothing should be affected there? ideally people would just get used to it, learn how to reset their ip, or just abuse vpn/tor no one's going to care about you rotating your id every time you tab back over if you're not making shitty posts

>>57638 The IDs are completely server side. I experimented a bit with cookies and whatnot and couldn't compromise them. I think they only watch for IP though, nothing like a dynamic profile based on fingerprinting the hardware info you can get the client's browser to reveal.

Resetting IDs sounds stupid, who cares. If you care about your dogshit posts making you look bad from a day ago then restart your phone/router or don't be a stupid poster, easy. Adding flags would only make people realize that biggest schizos aren't from 3rd world countries by a long shot, it's always some burger, kraut, swede etc. At least if this place is like /pol/. Flags are kinda useless and would make derailing convo easier, I'd avoid them.

>>57380 That might be too much for multiple reasons, but then again I'll take any excuse to fly the superior Maryland flag

>>56226 Good point

>>57651 well yes, of course

>>57657 >Adding flags would only help schizos like 97d1ac track down anons from small countries watching small chuubas like me.

To distract you from the ID issue: how about limiting the number of pages to ten? Right now there are a lot of dead threads hanging on the bottom of the catalog

is recurring cuck posting that involves user names bannable? we have this one dude who found us and is obsessed

>>58177 so far it's been up to the threads whether they want to police themselves with filter ID or not threadshitters can be shot on sight if they're known schizos or the thread's tired of their bullshit

>>58154 It was left larger on purpose so small generals don't have to spam art bumps during dead hours. Once there's been enough traffic those threads will fall off.

>>41563 Big shock. Almost as big as the fact that there was a large number of holofags among them and they let their unwashed discord hordes shit up /jp/ for a year+ while they banned anyone speaking out against hololive.

>>56316 I got a false report warning for reporting a Shigure Ui thread with only the word RAPE in the op as underage. Good fucking riddance to these "people".

>>53564 >>56142 >I can't make crazy posts anymore >I can't post RAPE anymore I could understand not being able to shitpost with wild abandon and that being a overall loss, but rapeposts are so inoffensive, I can't imagine someone muting your ID over it. Its also only a problem if you're concerned about people muting your ID in first place. If having IDs decreases samefagged schizoposting by as much as it did here then that's probably a fair tradeoff.

>>57657 IP hopping should ideally be minimized for practical usage reasons, and to help mods do their job more effectively. Making IP hopping widespread damages the benefits of IDs and only deters the weak minded shitposters, which always have the chance of escalating into bigger nuisances which are bigger headaches to handle. Speaking of bigger nuisances, it has already been long speculated that most of the damage is coming from a small number of dedicated thread shitters who hold grudges and already abuse IPs anyways. Making their tactics more common than what is absolutely necessary works in their favor and detracts from everyone else's experience.

>>57657 >Resetting IDs sounds stupid, who cares Evidently quite a few people

>>57657 Being a stupid poster is fun

>>58578 there's no way 8chan changes how it handles ips and it's fine if someone wants to be an overly disruptive asshat by juking the ID system and pissing half a thread off, they can be dealt with until they get bored or targetted as you say, it's only a handful or two of deranged retards that make it their life mission and much of that was probably because they could and get away with it

>>57657 Lets have a compromise. No ids but flags only for the US. But nit just US flags but US state flags, that way i can i can make fun of midwestern states for being midwestern states. Imagine being from the midwest lmao.

>>56142 if you have to reply to yourself to have fun then you're just jerking yourself off

>>57651 its just ip or the bypassId. you can try deleting the bypass cookie and enabling 'bypass check'. it takes a minute or two to generate a new bypassId though.

>>59421 looks like a negative there ghostrider

GET RID OF IDs

>>8620 Hi Codexx! Please never allow any trannies or political activists into the staff. That is all.

>>59814 >political activists Place is crawling with rightwing trashtalk

>>59814 >>59851 Whatever you do, do not type out the full term for CP, worst mistake of my life!

>>59971 Command Points?

>>60005 Control Point

>>60046 ???

>>56316 they were faggots right to the end.

>>57364 there's one particular doxxing schizo that has revealed himself in one of mine but is clearly behaving to remain unbanned so it's great to be able to filter his ID

>>60084 he was talking about Lapin's IRL and schizoposting about her for multiple posts so I just reported all of them, that's Rin Wasabi a complete schizo that is still seething about being rejected by her after 4 whole years

>>60084 This is a resident /wvt/ schizo who's been obsessed with a Vtuber named "Lapin" for years now. It's first off a drama about how she mind-manipulated him into giving her 700+$$, and then years later he's still trying to get her attention, not because he's obsessed with her, but because he "won" the fight.

>>60153 it was great seeing him get banned in real time here

>>60171 >>60153 damn this nigga is stil around???

is it just me or does hovering over a link to the op highlight the first non op post instead of the op?

>>60196 his first post in 8chan wvt was still seething about lapin so he didn't last long

Also to confirm - I got banned as well for 24 hours for reporting dox. I think the jannies deserve everything they got coming to them. Hopefully Notch buys 4ch and actually pays people to moderate, or 8ch takes off and makes tons of money. >>60196 You would not believe how much some people need that sort of life. Low IQ people are fueled entirely by scorn, spite, and envy.

>>60078 I've been having a load of fun recently playing TF2 again.

>>56238 >sometimes constraints increase rather than reduce creativity No, constraints lead users to go where they can post as they like. You're not creating fine cinema on a budget, you're making a post that maybe a couple dozen people will ever read.

Why does it take five to ten seconds to post a message without an attached file?

>>60837 the site runs a proof of work solver to get a hash before allowing you to post to fight spam

>>60859 I don't think it works because some guy was spamming ffxiv general on /v/ with a bot to the point they added captcha

Posting an example for why IDs are not needed. A mod stepped in and banned a resident schizo on /lig/. Even polled it amongst anons. With moderation like this IDs are superfluous when mods have access to the hidden ID and can deal with troublemakers. >>60521 >>60745

>>61009 its not redundant when I want to block retards that I dont like but aren't breaking rules

>>61009 I wish they'd do that for RES/rebelearthsky too

>>61029 Literally scroll past the post and don't read it. That's a (You) issue.

>>60914 yeah im not convinced its any better over a captcha myself

>>61009 I'd find more value in IDs if filtering worked better. You can ID+ someone but new replies will still show up.

>>61009 That gives all the power to the mods, the results of which you can see in the posts above yours. Fuck that.

>>61167 We're not on 4chan

Only shitposters and shitskins don't want IDs and flags. Since knowing how many of you are Indian on April 1 I can't stand being among you. I should be able to filter all Indian and SEA posters.

>>61096 they can control how much time/effort it takes per bypass

>>61067 judging by the mod logs, they do. he got killed on sight in wvt. God bless.

>>61382 based, I've just been reporting all his posts when I see them

I'm going to reply to myself anyway and dont give a fuck

>>61675 based

>>61675 >>61679 samefag

someone really needs to fix the quote function, seen so many missing quotes or extra unintentional ones

>>61831 In regards to extra unintentional ones that's probably just because if you close the quick reply box it doesn't clear the text.

>>61009 IDs mean the bar for this treatment is a lot higher so far it's only terminal basket cases getting the axe without IDs, more posters will want more moderation of certain individuals and types of posts and it could be difficult to please all parties and you might wind up with a situation where the people who hate ids are even more afraid of posting for fear of getting modded you can say just ignore the snowflakes (who will cry), or have this type of tribunal (and kick off mass shitposting and strife) or you could just embrace IDs and learn how to operate as you wish

>>61211 Just in case you aren't 97d1ac on a new ID: a lot of us who are from small mostly European countries watching small corpo chuubas also don't want flags because it would enable bad actors to identify us. https://archive.ph/https://8chan.se/vyt/res/8620.html You can read some of the discussion there when newer posts delete older ones, that's how cyclical threads like this operate after all.

>>62188 >IDs mean the bar for this treatment is a lot higher Public bans have nothing to do with IDs. If there weren't IDs an especially schizo post would get reported and the mods using the hidden ID would ban him if warranted along with all their other posts. >without IDs, more posters will want more moderation of certain individuals and types of posts and it could be difficult to please all parties and you might wind up with a situation where the people who hate ids are even more afraid of posting for fear of getting modded And with IDs you're getting posters who respond with (1) suspecting every new poster as being a schizo using a VPN making anons afraid of posting as they'll be branded when they're only lurking and chiming in for a single post.

>>62442 >Public bans have nothing to do with IDs. If there weren't IDs an especially schizo post would get reported and the mods using the hidden ID would ban him if warranted along with all their other posts. it does when moderation is trying to be responsive to what people want and with IDs they don't care that the people that annoy them are banned or not if they just have to make two clicks a thread that's faster than reporting even <well they should learn to scroll and hide posts + this is vt, full of newfags, if anon was good at that, bait wouldn't be so effective many rather beg for things to be modded, see holotower if they don't get it, they'll start thinking this place isn't that much better than /vt/ so why bother, might as well quit chans altogether if they do get it, then more minority feelings get to control what people post and those people will clamor to go back to 4chan where they can shitpost freely the IDs are helping us all coexist more peacefully >And with IDs you're getting posters who respond with (1) suspecting every new poster as being a schizo using a VPN making anons afraid of posting as they'll be branded when they're only lurking and chiming in for a single post. from what I've seen, people are only doing that playfully or if you're chiming in with a shitty point, and rightfully so if you couldn't even be bothered to make a few decent posts to cover your tracks before being a stupid faggot

>>62685 and before you go "why doesn't the newfag point apply to filter id" because id filtering is more effective, more relieving, and mildly more satisfying hide posts+ only works if the retards keep quoting each other and a lot of "fun" posters know to mix it up when they're not getting enough (You)s so you still have to see their antics every time they break the chain whereas filter id is one and done and what you think is a retard disappears for the rest of the day (or more) unless they're being extra, extra obnoxious (1) being a giant red flag is a bonus that can also be circumvented if you're not a mouthbreather too desperate to make your next "fun" post

Instead of all this rambling about IDs, how about something a lot of anons will actually appreciate? Is it possible to get soundpost support /here/?

>>62864 I think the various script anons were trying, but there's something complicated about it and it might be more work than worth it's trivial to batch convert the old ones, though

> discuss the state of the board Alright, you should ban the numberfag threads and every person who posts in them, I guarantee that will improve the state of the board.

>>63164 >I got a false report warning for reporting a Shigure Ui thread with only the word RAPE in the op as underage. lmao

>>63164 have you actually lurked them here yet? wondered how it was doing yesterday and skimmed through, seemed way more chill than /vt//#/ seems like a lot of the shitters are over there trying to get a ban high score on the tower

Hey everyone, sorry for not dropping by to post for a couple days. I've been watching the new vols get up to speed and been managing the site. Here's a brief update: >Volunteers I could use one, maybe two more vols who can check on the board during Asia/Oceania hours specifically. If this describes you, please register an account on 8moe and on Matrix (element.io for the matrix.org homeserver) and send me an e-mail at codexx (at) cock (dot) li with both usernames. >IDs Even if superfluous, they have been helping people to filter and to report, which makes things easier for the vols to clean up. Response to removing them was very immediate and negative, so I expect the ID issue to be settled for now. >Dox and Numbers and Catalog Size Still planning to hold a vote with the vols. Wanted one more vol first. Will also have them discuss optimal catalog size. In general, too big is better than too small. Inactive threads can fall off and slower threads don't get bumped, so I'm going to leave the defaults for now and see where activity settles. In general, I hope you guys are enjoying your time on the site. I'm putting together a list of improvements and gathering a new team of devs to work on them, so there should be additional improvements soon. >>62864 >>62883 I really need to ask what "soundposts" are. You should be able to upload most browser compatible audio and video filetypes here. I assume soundposts were some unique 4chan thing to work around their soundless webm limits? I haven't been on 4chan in over a decade so I can't say I know what soundposts entail.

>>63317 >IDs Nothing about auto cycling them after some hours? please, if it's possible

>>63317 >I really need to ask what "soundposts" are. https://sleazyfork.org/en/scripts/31045-4chan-external-sounds

>>63317 soundposts are mainly webms and mp4s that work with an extension to 4chan that plays the linked sound because 4chan lacks support for it these are some examples examples, the filenames contain links to catbox for the sound to play

>>63317 It's a soundless webm with an audio track hotlinked in the filename. Userscripts would sync them up and play it like a video with sound.

>>63317 The soundpost issue is more for anons who have entire folders of soundposts and don't want to go through the process of converting them all to a useable file here. Eventually they'll no longer be needed over time as there is no reason to make more of them.

>>63412 Well... a lot of them are static images and gifs too. It would be nice to have some way to replicate this without making the whole thing a video.

>>63317 Many thanks, and many thanks to the vols. Going from the jannies completely ignoring the schizo who'd camp in my home general back on /vt/ (and sometimes handing out warnings/bans if you reported him) to him being sniped nearly as soon as he appears is great. I was one of the many who weren't happy about the numbers thread being here but there don't actually seem to have been any issues with them over the past few days so I'm no longer as concerned.

>>63428 I've been using https://online-video-cutter.com/ but its kind of tedious, someone suggested using chatgpt to write a script to do it automatically

>>63428 For static images can't you just post both the image and audio then open both?

>>63468 you can just make the image last the whole video

>>63317 Much better than 4chan so far. IDs have been good. Doxniggers should kill themselves.

>>63317 I would suggest that you at least find a different name for the "dox" thread (and for the phrasing in the board rule related to it) to avoid people taking it as permission to post addresses and so on.

>>63428 I think that's what I really miss about soundposts the most. I didn't have to make a static image into a webm or mp4, just had to name it the proper format for the extension to work. >>63468 I guess you could do that. I did like just hovering over the image and it playing automatically though.

>>63703 something like 'past lives' would probably suffice

>>63950 Isn't it literary already called roommates?

>>63317 I think that in an ideal world, we wouldn't need id's. I don't know if it might be worth it to try no id's for half a day or something to see if people can behave themselves. I think there should at least be a test run other than just the first day everyone found refugee here. Obviously if schizos become too rampant and difficult for volunteers to deal with it should be changed back, but I kind of miss the privilege of true anonymity.

>>63185 QED

>>63317 IDs have been a blessing. Speaking from the experience of using /gsg/ and /mint/ mainly. It's nice here, keep up the good work. Videos work with sound and that's great and fun.

>>64037 >>64328 I like IDs but it does make it hard to talk about multiple chuubas in one general

Would simply removing the visible post counts associated with IDs not alleviate a large number of complaints about them? To me at least I'm not really bothered by people knowing what I've been posting, but by people being able to easily see exactly how many posts I've made. It doesn't really feel like a necessary feature of the system to me.

>>63334 They change per-thread. If anything, we usually get complaints that IDs are too easy to change. >>63368 >>63377 >>63384 I can just write you guys an FFMPEG script to stitch audio onto a video so you can distribute it properly. Sounds like some people are already batch processing. >>63686 Dox is on its way to being banned. Volunteers are discussing exact rules and edge cases now.

>>64994 Mostly people like to see if you're a (1) because someone with 10-15 posts is an active regular and someone with a (1) is probably a spammer or there to troll.

>>65182 >Volunteers are discussing exact rules and edge cases now. i want to say for this that while dox should be a ban, what's going to be the ruling on different vtuber identities? tsunx for example is a general that exists beyond it's corpos death, where most of the girls are under different names and identities. how will cases like that be treated?

>>64994 hoping the bump limit / post limit can be cut in half again. this would be pretty close to what we had and would make your ID have less of a 'history'

>>65192 As far as I can tell, this has been proven to be right and threads already adapt to this properly which usually means ignoring those posters until they prove that they stick around. Some (1) are also newcomers that didn't find 8moe earlier and those are usually vocal about it in their first post. They are immediately welcomed with open arms. >>65289 This is also difficult for /gsg/: We have a few ex-Nijis who had a shit time in that corpo and even though those previous lifes are never discussed, it's well-known that some regulars got interested in them because their kamioshis are also ex-Nijis and such. Another girl made a hard cut to her PL while yet another one openly posts on her alt. The thread itself hasn't even come to a conclusion how to handle previous lifes.

>>65289 incase of reincarnation, its better to treat it as different chuba. there are lots of case that new debut chuba doesn't want to associate with his past life. nimi is good case as the one who want to bring her old audience back

>>65182 >They change per-thread That's all well and good for the fastest threads that are over in a couple of hours and have hundreds of posters, but the idea is that cycling IDs would benefit the slower threads that could be up for days or even weeks at a time, giving them a level of parity with those faster threads by having their IDs change at a similar rate without new threads having to be created. As somebody put it earlier, taking part in the smaller communities on this board right now basically turns you into an involuntary tripfag due to how long you're stuck with a single ID.

>>65433 >>65289 In a post-Selen world PL taboo is practically dead

>>65433 dizzy and ember have both mentioned urara and kallin on stream, all of the pixel link girls who changed identity straight up linked their new one during graduation, a large chunk of idol girls are currently running both a corpo and indie account and are less that subtle about it and im not even going to mention what happened with dokibird >nimi you're wrong there, she was pretty heavily hinting that she would continue streaming after leaving holo and it's more likely that there is an NDA in place

>>65546 just as you said, there are lots of breadcrumbs everywhere when mother of nature supposedly death. its up to chuba who want to leave trail or just cut out of it. how many times chuba kick drama vulture who want to dig her past to fuel some drama

>>65681 >how many times chuba kick drama vulture who want to dig her past to fuel some drama holy esl >just as you said what i pointed out to you is both the clear existence of good faith PL discussion and how it's not synonymous with being a shitter and that multiple vtubers are heavy handed in referencing or are outright saying what their other identities are, just because someone on a different website is talking about doesn't mean it should be banned here

>>65289 A chuuba's different VTuber identities being taboo is retarded, it only exists because Hololive and Nijisanji want to keep viewers in their network of chuubas instead of hemorrhaging viewers to the ones that graduate. No one in this hemisphere is under the impression that the chuubas are completely fabricated acting roles anyway, it hasn't been that way since Kizuna

>>65833 yeah that's why im pointing it out to the board owner

>>65192 Dunno if you saw my other post, but are (You)s calculated in a different way than IDs? WHn I changed domains, it showed my ID as being the same, but it didn't treat my old posts as "mine".

>>65954 I've had the opposite, where my ID changed in the same thread but it still showed (You)s on the replies to my posts under the old ID.

>>63317 First of all thank you for your work! Secondly, I'd like to see some functions added or fixed in the settings, like posts marked with stripes if they are made by me or replies to my posts. Also for some reason the boxes I check in the settings get unchecked when I leave the page and straight up just don't work at all. Maybe some additional stuff from extensions like 4chan XT can be added where I can have a list of theards I posted in and see if someone replied to me

idc about dox being banned but the amount of times I was banned for posting flesh images that were either from stream, or from a twitter post on 4chan was unbearable

>>65830 can you point out some "good faith PL discussion" ?

>>66131 At least 8moe actually bans threadshitters and not you for reporting threadshitters which was common on /vt/.

Quick update. After a long discussion, the vols have set up guidelines. I'll post the full breakdown here, but a summary is posted on the Rules page. Rule 1: Dox is forbidden. a. Hard dox is forbidden per the the global rules. b. Images of vtubers' real-life bodies and especially faces may only be posted behind spoilers, and only if posted on their vtuber-related accounts or streams. c. Discussion of vtubers' previous incarnations, ("PL"), is generally permitted, on a case-by-case basis. d. Emissions of private information are forbidden and will result in a ban. e. Outside of these circumstances, pictures and information not related to vtubers' public persona is generally discouraged and in many cases forbidden. This should cover most circumstances while still allowing real life information released by streamers to be discussed and posted. The volunteers understand there is some complexity with determining what is officially posted and what isn't and are committed to putting the effort in. If mistakes happen, they can be appealed and the content restored. In many cases the mods will be fans of the thread themselves and will know what crosses a line. >>65954 IDs are handled server-side and are based on your IP and/or bypass. (You)s are entirely handled with JavaScript on the user's side, so if you clear cookies you lose track of your posts. 4chan used to do (You)s server-side but this means generating a custom page per-user which is incredibly expensive.

>>66169 Discussing past vtuber identities is fine on a case by case basis, just don't treat it as a weapon or "gotcha" to attack a particular fanbase or thread. People doing so can be reported as usual.

>>66197 I think this is good.

>>66197 Sounds solid too me.

>>66197 Very reasonable.

>>66197 Looks solid but might be hard to enforce unless mods just know a lot about every vtuber

>>66197 >>66268 these are perfect, it feels good to have a mod team that actually knows what they're doing

>>66197 Can screenshots from handcams be posted unspoilered? Is it exclusively bodies (ie torsos, upper legs, chest, face, etc) that must be spoilered or is all body parts including appendages like hands wrists and arms? Many vtubers regularly stream handcams, be it gloved or ungloved.

I got a warning but I don't know what for or how to view it (checked the mod logs)

In what circumstances would it be justified banning discussions of PL?

Do we need to spoiler screenshots of handcam streams?

>>66351 Obnoxious spam and malicious behavior, threads can decide for themselves how much their vtubers' PLs are discussed. >>66355 No.

>>66376 Thanks, that seems reasonable enough.

>>66268 does this mean we can talk about senazawa after the 1st of may?

Asking again that staff take the idea of cycling IDs every few hours into consideration for the benefit of smaller, slower threads.

seems like IRL threads are banned now? pretty sure there was one up earlier

>>66345 it can be ignored, it was probably a mistake and probably mine if so, sorry for being a faggot we suffer from the "fills in ur forms for u LUL" nonsense, too you're not in danger of getting randomly vacationed for days here and even if you were, you could appeal it

>>66414 yes, they are

>>66449 ok thx, it was just a popup that said "you were warned". big fan of the way things are done here

enable id's only for certain threads

>>66400 senzawa's been fine forever if people have been openly talking about them for ages (and not just to threadshit), assume it's still fine if it would upset a bunch of people, it's probably not

>>66197 actually yeah what >>66324 asked handcam streams are very common and weren't even punished under /vt/'s stricter rules

>>66496 8moe's not built for the level of traffic it's experiencing now. Esoteric requests like this will have to wait. IDs will stay as is for now. We can always change or get rid of them later if that's the better decision.

>>66324 >>66543 >>66376 generally, yes (as in can be posted without spoilers) new meta thread btw if a particular general wanted it enforced fully, we can, but most people think it's fine it's hard to write every single exception in the rules and you're not getting banned for fucking it up

>>66575 any plans to change the bump limit / post limit? 250 would be nice

>>66575 Please, never get rid of IDs, they are a blessing to this general the way they are right now.

>>66803 this, as it is now IDs are a fucking blessing, only shitposters and catalog shitstirrers want them gone or changed

>>66575 definitely do not get rid of IDs at all, the only people against them are malicious actors

>>66803 >>66843 >>66855 I'm not asking the staff to make anymore changes right now because they're obviously doing a lot trying to adjust to the influx of new people, but the moderation alone is doing more than enough to get rid of any schizos. IDs + competent moderation make things too boring, there's plenty of people don't want to make outlandish/interesting posts because it's connected to their usual chuuba posting. The threads feel like Discord group chats now, and that's gonna drive a lot of people back to 4chan if it comes back up

>>66915 >too boring if you're a schizo yeah

>>66957 I think you'll come to find that a majority of the board are "schizos" then

>>66915 part of this I think is anons would rather mope and whine about the IDs or be lazy instead of taking the hit to the autism of adapting as long as they think 4chan will be back up there are many not very difficult ways to circumvent them and be less boring and it feels like a few more have been doing that recently you could try showing them the light of maximum shitposting

>>67030 It is possible that the more sheepish posters could become accustomed to them >you could try showing them the light of maximum shitposting I've considered it, and done a little bit here >>45367, but to go maximum shitposting would backfire if I don't wait for the right moment

>>67076 many sheepish posters have, especially the sheep posters which are some of the most sensitive it was slow at first, but they're mostly functional again I did have that post bookmarked

make complaining about IDs a bannable offense

>>67132 Eh, I don't think so. Maybe if it reaches the point of spam, otherwise it's just pissing in the ocean of piss.

>>67123 actually I've been wondering, since it was you in that screenshot earlier, what is your policy on rebelearthsky/RES? are we finally free of him?

>>67132 sir, this is the meta thread if it's outside the meta thread >technically, it's meta >and technically, it belongs in the meta thread >but technically, moderation is by request so either filter it or convince your thread that they've all had enough of it and id complaints should be reported so the posters can be directed here

>>65182 >they change per thread anyways ...which for some threads is an entire week or more with the same identity attached to every post you make across potentially 100+ posts. We're just trying to say that some kind of compromise for these types of threads makes the whole thing a lot less unbearable, and your ID resetting a few times a day while using the same IP would be a good compromise. The usefulness of an ID to "filter out schizos" or whatever really doesn't extend that far into their lifespan at all and having IDs that exist for that long disproportionately affects the anonymity of certain threads more over others.

>>67501 >We

>>67703 Yes, "we" as in the people who are posting in favor of the compromise.

>>67721 anon, you're a batposter, besides you're opinion going into the trash, your "argument" that IDs lose usefulness over time is naive considering the worst schizos on /vt/ keep going on even if they have to plap their routers every second if needed, and sadly they're not edge cases, though I won't also say they are the norm If you're scared of being identified by your thread, why not ask if it's possible for your thread to autolock itself at certain periods of time?

>>67937 >your "argument" that IDs lose usefulness over time is naive considering the worst schizos on /vt/ keep going on even if they have to plap their routers every second if needed You literally just agreed with me that IDs have no real usefulness to track schizos over long periods of time because the malicious users would have already done something to hop...

>>67030 >>67123 Codexx said it was more or less uncontroversial and no one was complaining about them. Isn't this sort of contradicting that...? And staff wants us to circumvent them? IDGI

>>67983 >though I won't also say they are the norm The norm is the myriad of schizos who start small but escalate when they notice there's nothing that can stop them from doing so. Removing IDs will just be a public safety issue in the future. And if you say that's not going to happen, it's pretty much one of the factors in how /vt/ ended up so shit if you see it that way.

>>68050 Bro really said that schizophrenia is a gateway drug. No moderation is how /vt/ got that way

Is this site falling apart?

Is this site falling apart?

>>68050 I didn't say anything about removing IDs anywhere. I don't like IDs and I would rather them not exist, but I've given up on that battle and am instead trying to come to an equal ground that can restore some of the anonymity I hold dear to the threads I use without compromising the experience that apparently many other anons prefer here and are seeing in threads that I don't use like /lig/, /pcg/, and whatever other massive conglomerates that people are seeing success in. Schizos aren't waiting 8 hours for their ID to reset to post again after everyone filtered them, and if they do you just click one button and filter them again. They're also not a big enough occurrence in a majority of threads that that's even something that really needs to be considered, even the threads where the IDs are most useful don't even last that long. My home thread hasn't had one single person in the 5 days since we started who really needed to be mass filtered. At most there were one or two weird posts from different (1)s who were just ignored as they would have been even without IDs. >>68169 the backend dies somewhat regularly

>>68008 >Codexx I don't see where he's said it's uncontroversial, but if it is, it's amongst the vols at this point in time if he did say it, he's not entirely in the loop on everything and running off what he can skim over between putting out fires elsewhere we are entrusted to find agreement among ourselves that said, for me, I was very hesitant on IDs and was one of the people who abused full anonymity on 4chan for funposting, having multiple personalities, etc and was also really afraid we would lose a lot of those posters, potentially forever if 4chan does come back up a shit show however, anons are returning and some anons seem like they're being more silly >encouraged to circumvent this is 8chan, not 4chan, things are a little different here bans are easy to evade by design ids might be, too, I haven't asked, but considering how easy it is, I would assume so we're also not interested in power tripping and ruining your day, just keeping the peace for those that want more or less of it you are allowed to have fun here others just don't have to put up with it if they don't want to, so you might have to stop after a while, take it to a thread that appreciates it more, or find a new bit the only people on the major shit list are the forever nuisances that only exist to ruin everyone else's day

>>68176 This shit is future planning, anon. I think you hold anonymity to a higher standard than it's usually done. I'm already cynical to the sad reality that in most, if not all, cases, anonymity is just a fiction for a certain kind of masses. There are ways to anonymize yourself, but they aren't here, at the very least not since >literally who testified in a court case. You're pretty much hoping for the return of something that hasn't existed in way over a decade, even two if you're as cynic as me. And in any case, as >>68305 mentioned, the rules are different here. Maybe if 4chan does come back, I'll also start posting there again even if they launch with pretty much nothing changed, due to inertia more than anything else. But in the meantime? This particular hellhole is the best replacement site for it, and I suspect it'd be at worst a bunker for a few anons.

>>68346 That's an entirely different context of anonymity that's not being discussed here. We're talking about anonymity on an image board which comes in four forms: Anonymous, ID, Namefag, and Tripfag. We're not talking about court orders or Fog Data Science here

>>68518 Hello, second flen. If you're sure about that, I already said in >>67937 that those concerns are better taken to the mods with an alternate solution, because, if you go with the posture of anonimity you've said, surely you could see how having a super special thread with different rules fuck with everything else. But if you insist on that anonymity, what's exactly wrong with IDs as is? They serve their purpose as a deterrent for fun-to-shitposting escalation, and again, unless you advocate for special rules for threads, either by mods or by the ops, which I already said why it'd be a bad idea, there's pretty much nothing else to mention on the matter, I think.

>>68618 >fuck

>>68618 The alternate solution is literally what we are suggesting with IDs having an expiration based on time. Honestly what you suggested there has so many problems with it I don't even really know where to begin, and it overall just makes everything a worse experience. Hell, even if I'd prefer them to filter out much sooner, you could literally just put the date in the hash for the ID >>44429 and then they change every 24 hours. It's better than nothing.

>>68305 He said originally he was looking at user reaction, but only as told to him by BVs. I was told it was a matter of what the majority wanted and not just the hypothetical pros and cons. He said he asked you to check out the generals and collect their thoughts. This contrasts pretty hard with this suggestion IDs are just simply something BVs voted for based on their personal views and people complaining are just gay fags bitching. I hope you can see how this is frustrating since we were just asked to wait and see how public opinion develops, but you're telling me the decision was already reached. I was kinda worried already that this was the case (since it just tends to happen, not due to any malice), but that would mean Codexx was just being wishy-washy and non-confrontational in his explanation, which is, I have to say, not a great way to communicate with the public. TL;DR - Nobody told us we had to convince you, just be clear about our stance and it would be taken into consideration. I'm open to the possibility this has all just been miscommunicated, but using the capcode makes it look like an authoritative ruling from both of you. I would have thought Codexx's opinion trumps you, but he has now said the opposite and it was your call, so nobody is actually accepting responsibility for the decision. I'm also not sure why BVs were going around arguing with people directly and influencing the decision, which at least two have now confirmed they were doing (good going, IDs). Anyway, this is a dead debate and it seems a little bit tangled politically now, so I'm not saying you have to do anything about it, but I wanted to relay in good faith how the decision actually looked from the opposition's POV.

>>68678 ok so which small threads have problems with IDs not expiring ? Any examples or are you just arguing over theoritical bullshit with no substance?

>>68940 >problems The problem is maintenance of anonymity. It's an innate consequence of IDs existing. Every thread has their anonymity affected by IDs but threads that are up for considerably longer periods of time than others have this feature affected more than threads which cycle quickly. The point is that there is virtually no necessary reason for IDs to be maintained that long other than potential limitations of the system itself which it sounds like board owners on this site have some form of control over to modify at least, even if not natively supported. I really feel like maintaining anonymity on an anonymous image board should not be something I should have to explain the importance of. The entire reason I use these websites is because anyone could be anyone and that is what's appealing. In a thread that cycles in some few hours that is still mostly upheld because they'll be changing from thread to thread and most people probably don't even break 10-30 posts in that time, but if your thread lasts for a long time that's really just not the case anymore. If someone has 150 unique posts all tied directly back to them over the course of a week you can barely call that anonymous. This is not a problem that you can just "point to an example" of it happening. It's something that deals with the core philosophy of the website itself.

>>68940 I get the feeling it's bad actors trying to subtly shit up the place, since surprisingly this hellhole is by far one of the best alternatives.

>>69070 >This is not a problem that you can just "point to an example" of it happening. It's something that deals with the core philosophy of the website itself. Again, I said it before, but it seems like you hold anonymity as if it was some kind of god. It isn't. It's just a concept that was new-ish in its time, and later helped differentiate the site when revealing your personal info became pretty much mandatory everywhere. You're saying that kind of anonymity is being threatened by an anonymous poster being identified as a specific anonymous poster in the pool of anonymous posters. If you're as cynical as me, this could be an issue since everything already tracks you, but if that's the case, why are you even bothering with your anonymity philosophy?

>>68681 your reasoning is really hard to follow and has a very suspicious bent maybe you struggle with the idea of delegation and accountability codexx is not a /vt/ native, hasn't used 4chan in a long time, and doesn't know the ins and outs of the board, so he opened applications for volunteers to represent the interests of the board--accepted based on the vibes we gave in the app and can be obviously be replaced and yes, you may have argued with us, much of it before being accepted, because we're concerned invested posters trying our best to not fuck it up for everyone else if you ever thought it was going to be a poll or something, that's on you for assuming if you ever thought a guy who doesn't know us was going to unilaterally make decisions for us after not having time to sit through our thousands of posts of autistic drivel, that's also on you for assuming me arguing points here wasn't to exert any kind of control over the process, I've argued from damn near every angle of it so that I know I'm not being a retarded autistic faggot, just an autistic faggot I'm sure all of us (BVs) have also paid attention to other arguments about them across the board, and this might blow your mind, but we can see the post history, too we all agreed this was the best way forward for now if it had to be decided two days ago, I would have argued tooth and nail to give us a few days to settle in and then try removing them before 4chan comes back up so maybe people won't run off and maybe the skittish posters would come back public opinion did develop, the ones screeching the most about it ran in circles and out of steam, their arguments stopped holding water as shy anons started posting again, and everyone else on the board has been very pleased

>>69127 Because the idea of anyone being capable of being anyone is threatened? I don't care about whatever NSA secret agency has my information, that's not the point that's being made and it's not somethin that's solved by anything done on this site. The point is that IDs completely enforce the idea that each poster is uniquely tied to all of their posts in ways that go far beyond general identifying information like filenames (which oldchan had ways of randomizing filenames to circumnavigate that were very popular, along with manually altering md5s to not be tracked on archives) or something as vague as posting habits. It's a concrete and definite link between posts. I do not want that link to exist for long periods of time. Really I don't want it to exist at all, but again I understand why some anons in certain threads which are hotpots for bad faith activity can see a usefulness in recognizing things like that easier. It's really just not a big change at all and I just simply do not see what problem you could possibly have with the IDs auto cycling after enough time. Genuinely, what is the argument against it, other than implementation issue? I see a lot of you asking why it's important to me and I think I've explained that pretty fucking well by this point and I'm running in circles trying to get it through your heads that I care about posters not having strict identifying information in their posts, but, I ask this genuinely, how does it negatively impact anyone? If someone wants all of their posts to be linked there are already methods to do that, and if the IDs were to cycle regularly it just gives a way for users who do not want a forced tripcode to do so.

Just popping here to say this whole thing has been very entertaining to see unfold, that's all. no contribution to either arguments from me, as I'm fine with whatever it goes

>>69200 I mean there's a lot going on with the 4chan migration happening, I think the id thing you're proposing is just not a priority right now, the site was attacked yesterday and lost a node(it's already back up), and just today there was a schizo on /v/ spent the entire day using a custom botnet to spam the final fantasy xiv threads, so there's a lot going on right now I would guess

>>69158 if there's any ground I'll give here, I do recall the vols recruitment post being phrased as help with cleanup and the like, but also you're not privy to conversations that happened after that go read through the site meta thread >>>/site/5423 to get a taste of what they're dealing with trying to keep the functioning and operating better for us (and the rest of the refugees)

>>69249 I get that, I'm not saying I want it now I just want the idea of it to be something that is considered instead of having people screaming at me for being a falseflagging schizo or whatever for wanting a different and more nuanced solution. I've made it clear I do not like IDs at all but I'm willing to compromise at the very least because overall there are a lot of other nice features here and I'd like to continue using it.

>>69273 I see, just bring the idea with the modd on >>>/site/ later when there isn't so much going on, right now there's a influx of users, and let me tell you I already saw a lot of very disruptive schizos (some shitposting multiple boards on 4chan for more than 10 years) popping up here and there, thankfully they got delt with by the moderation pretty quickly.

>>69273 I'm not opposed to rotating IDs if it would help, the points for them are pretty reasonable the point against, though, is anons could just learn how to abuse vpns and that's a lot easier to code

>>69323 Looking through there I really don't envy what they have to deal with. Looks like there was a point somewhat recently where they just banned uploading of PNGs because people were mass dumping cp in dead boards. >>69335 Doesn't seem that hard to me to just add a date parameter to the ID hash at minimum, but it's probably not supported currently to have unique ID hashing per board so it would change how they work across the whole site which is definitely not wanted. >anons could just learn how to abuse vpns and that's a lot easier to code That's fair enough I guess for now.

>>69158 >>69251 My biggest concern at this time is that if codexx pulls from /vt/ users who sent apps he might onboard jannies or staff from large indies or corpos and might lead to some long term ops being run without anyone realizing. Yes I am a paranoid schizophrenic but that's beside the point.

>>69410 yeah I don't think it's necessarily complicated, either, but you never know with this stuff also theoretically just storing an extra datetime and adding it to the hash function should just work tm across the entire site if it's not difficult to add an extra param? so I'm not sure that's an issue in the case, just need a board toggle and an extra check/rehash on posting, but I haven't seen a single line of imageboard code in many, many years

>>69450 Working in the entire site would be good anons on /a/ are pretty divided on the id thing too looking at the meta thread there it's all they can talk about

>>69423 I share it, thankfully most mod actions are logged to some degree, so stalk the logs and if you start noticing anything really weird, compile it and email concerns to codexx I have some ideas I'll ask about later on to maybe help further prevent it

>>69158 WTF is this vitriolic response? Your overall point seems to be that I'm too stupid to argue with, but you're also suggesting sinister intent and that's it's some kind of trick... Which is it, dude? The only bent you're seeing is that I'm trying to approach this calmly, even though some of the points and accusations are not exactly nice. It has to be this way. We are being mature about this, or I'm trying to be. The way I see it is this: the actions from staff are going to determine whether or not people stay. Full stop, I'm not trying to damage the board by convincing people to leave or by convincing the BO to make rulings. I only wanted the issue made clear to the fullest extent possible with every important defense stated, simply because what people claim to want isn't always what they actually want. I was very sympathetic when I got here and my only concern was a happy ending where everyone stays including me. I have no idea what evil hidden intent you think you're detecting, but it's just simply not there. Most people I see making counter-arguments seem to have the opposite intent and demand any dissenters leave the board, claiming a great deal of investment in this board's way of doing things but taking the actual approach of rapidly killing it. I think what I'm seeing here is a total lack of social awareness. For example, I stated how I thought the decision was reached, and you've just confirmed that I did understand it correctly. The contradiction was with what Codexx said about it, but I observed and correctly concluded how it actually worked and that the mistake was his. I do not see any reason why you felt the need to re-explain the process after I already explained it and both explanations were the exact same thing. I guess this is some kind of tone thing, not an issue of fact. We should agree on this point, but you have taken the most hostile and pedantic approach to it possible and refuse to move on from it, despite... criticizing my tone. Word to the wise - you are too angry to be posting as staff. Like I said above, in the interest of people actually wanting to the use the board, you really ought to delete this shit and never act like that again. Your role gives de jure freedom to post whatever you want, but you have to consider the impact of your actions in reality. My overall observation has been that people aren't getting used to this, they're getting used to gatekeeping and telling people to leave and never return. People lost interest in arguing about it, but that doesn't mean they have changed their minds at all. I can't see any reason why you would think otherwise, and you allude to this being the case, you just seem to view at as a victory. What people don't say is just as important as what they do say, if not moreso, and you need to be able to see this and not just vague shadowy malintent. The ultimate conclusion I have seen everyone on both sides reach in discussion is: if you don't like it, leave. Is that really what you want?

>>69480 I think it's something that honestly just more control over would be nice. It's obviously going to be the most contentious issue with most of of the userbase right now. Obviously they have more on their hands than just one board and a solution that works here might not work for somewhere like /a/, I'm not sure if they would be satisfied with a once a day reset on the ID just with how different the board is. /vt/ always saw a majority of the posting localized in different generals, it's very different from something like /v/ and /a/ where catalog threads make up a big part of the board. Maybe that's just me projecting because the /vt/ catalog was a shithole hellscape and I avoided it like the plague, but it was very rare to see a catalog thread at the top of board speed. Giving people more control over how IDs are handled might make them less divisive and more likely to stay.

>>69629 Yeah honestly the ideal would be a toggle and any board owner could decide how the IDs would work there, as for /v/ and /a/ as a regular of both Id are necessary, less so on /a/ to some degree, but those place where the breeding ground for schizos that terrorized multiple boards on 4chan for years, I mean really disruptive people. And just today someone used a custom botnet to shit on a thread on /v/ for more than 8 hours,

posting to show approval of new rules and stuff, so far seems reasonable to me.

>>69450 i like the idea of the rotating IDs, something like every 4-6 hours, anons are used to being anons but the IDs are doing a lot of good. though the issue i've seen with the static ID in smaller generals is that they just don't want an ID tied to them for days. i don't exactly know how this will effect the larger, more schizoridden threads as i don't usually go to them but they're also fast enough that the timed IDs would likely coincide with the thread getting bumplocked and a new one getting made >inb4 use a vpn i guess if someone wants a new ID every few posts then they can, but something more baseline would probably go a long way as anons, in some degree, like the anonymity to go both ways, it's felt a little off knowing who im talking to

>>66197 I think handcam stream content should be posted unspoilered because it's the most common type of hybrid stream vtubers do, otherwise good calls.

>>70077 Never mind, I didn't backread everything.

>>69618 Willing to bet that this guy got sexually abused by his dad.

I just lurked around in holotower and jesus christ... this place is honestly good as it is. Rotating IDs still seems stupid. I'd just leave everything as it is right now for at least couple of weeks/months and then we can talk about maybe changing something if it's an issue. Jesus christ holotower is just like one of those super restrictive discords, no fun allowed at all. >>66197 >b. Images of vtubers' real-life bodies and especially faces may only be posted behind spoilers, and only if posted on their vtuber-related accounts or streams. I'd just allow it if it's a passing mention honestly. Enforcing this rule is a pain in the ass and it only makes shitposters want to post it more. In 4ch/jp/ people would just post, laugh (if it's something somewhat embarrassing) and forget shortly after. This rule only exists to protect the feelings of giga schizos anyway and IRL personas themselves are VERY friendly with fans of their vtuber personas. RMs themselves seem fine with fans of their vtuber personas flooding their RM accounts. >c. Discussion of vtubers' previous incarnations, ("PL"), is generally permitted I'd just permit it and only ban it when some tard just won't stop talking about PL in a thread where that person is now someone else and schizoing over it for days/weeks. Generally less rules = less schizos and less work for you. The more you coddle whiny dipshits the more schizo and/or demanding they get, and I mean both fans and shitposters. Shit/funposters would get pissed and start evading bans to shitpost harder for getting banned just for venting and having a bit of fun. Fans would start spam-reporting everything that hurts their feelings. If I was a mod, I'd only ban people who are legit annoying (like spamming, samefagging would be here too but it's stupid with IDs, constantly talking about RM/PL in a "current persona" thread etc, also global rules). If people want to have a "no PL, RM, negativity allowed" safe space then they can just go to holotower (they are already having problems due to having too many strict rules). Mentioning them is fine and when some tard won't ever stop talking about them, then he's in a wrong thread and is more interested in a PL than the current persona which is the whole point of the thread. In that case he's just lost unless he spams something unrelated just to get a rise. I dunno, it's just that /vt/ discord tier mods ruined the board and it's still annoying me. This place seems superb (there's IDs, I can post multiple pics, I can post vids with audio, mods seem to be less mentally ill than 4ch ones etc), wouldn't want it devolve into the same

>>70259 >IRL personas themselves are VERY friendly with fans of their vtuber personas. RMs themselves seem fine with fans of their vtuber personas flooding their RM accounts Claiming something like this is unequivocally true is not only disingenuous but straight up retarded. No, on /jp/ they didn't just laugh at it, back then it was bannable while lately they were making naked deepfakes of their irl personas. Do you people really miss nyfco that much?

>>70259 "Let retards shitpost or they are going to be even worse" isn't a good argument.

>>70259 >I just lurked around in holotower and jesus christ... this place is honestly good as it is wdyn? the /lig/ refugee thread is normal there besides tribal spam that gets cleaned up.

>>70468 Holotower is waiting for you, as I said. And I don't know about JPs, but ENs like fwmc, Kiara, Mori were more than fine with tards who have their vtuber personas flooding their accounts. Also just because some shitposter was making deepfakes (which I didn't see and I frequented /jp/ at least once a week) means nothing, people will shitpost and making deepfakes is just shitposting. If enough people report it aka find it annoying then it's fine to ban whoever makes that, I though that was obvious. >>70586 Yes? Are you new to the internet? Letting some shitposters make a post or couple is fine. He gets it out of his system and moves on and as I said, that applies to most regular shitposters, and I'm not talking about retards who food the board with "1 IP by this post" bait. If it turns into spamming then it's legit annoying and is banworthy. If you want a completely "no shitposting allowed" zone, then holotower is waiting for you on the other side.

>>70607 >Holotower is waiting for you >holotower anon not everyone watches hololive, you're better off finding where the hlg thread on /jp/ went

>>70607 >You didn't like nyfco? Holotower is waiting for you! This anon is glowing.

>>70607 i don't think you're really reading the spirit of the new rules. basically, if you shitpost WITH the thread, you will be fine. if you shitpost AGAINST the thread, you will get reported and deleted, and if you continue doing that too much you get banned. shitposting is fine if you can read the room first

>>65182 >>65289 >>65387 >Another girl made a hard cut to her PL It's easy to find her dox if you know her PL, so one of the few good things the halfchan jannies did in 4/pkg/ was nuking mentions of her PL as dox on sight. Meimi's is a unique edge case and I hope the mods here will also deal with this the same way.

>>70659 That's what I was implying, I thought it was obvious. But on top of that, if a person for example makes one or two shit/fun posts somewhere, but otherwise is a decent poster then that shouldn't be banworthy either is my point. I've seen over many years how biggest schizos started out by being banned for one or two funposts, which annoys them, they then proceed to shitpost a bit more to "vent', are banned, and from there it turns into genuine obsession. Enforcing so called board specific rules religiously and to the extreme never ends well is my point. It always births the most obsessed and annoying ban evading schizos who never leave and will follow the topic literally anywhere. That's why imo posting a pic of MR or PL doing something interesting won't be theend of the world and posters will just ignore, in turn who ever posted that will realize that people legit aren't interested (unless the other posters start whining about it endlessly). In that case shitposters also take note and will use it to annoy people. That's my other point, and it's that moderation is something that anons themselves can influence by not being whiny mentally ill spergs. The more you cry about something, the more attention it will gain, in turn that will be used to annoy literally everyone and it will be spammed, including the mods who will be flooded with reports of something.

>>70259 >If I was a mod, [...] that's essentially what we were doing from the start for the most part enforcement is left up to the thread's discretion and it's not a major offense to piss them off, the post just gets trashed and everyone can move on, warned if they don't get it, and then only temp banned to cool down and take a few minutes to find some other thread to play with one guy in a catalog or big thread trying to play thread police with the report system and rules just gets noted and closed unless it's something egregious because threads have different tolerances and it's not been difficult to accommodate everyone so far

>>70783 > It always births the most obsessed and annoying ban evading schizos who never leave and will follow the topic literally anywhere. what is this beaten wife mentality? you deserve to live in happiness and safety, bb. don't settle for being treated like shit to avoid escalating violence.

im dumb what does the "global report" option do

>>70783 and I agree with this, too it's an imageboard on the internet, being annoying isn't a crime, especially if your post history isn't just a bunch of random garbage just don't be persistently and terminally annoying like the jurardcuck, kiki/shon schizos, camuischizo, RES, simon/blackjack, pkgschizo, paraschizo, and others

>>70845 sends it directly to global vols for violations of global rules mostly to be used for pizza of the cheese variety as far as I know we can't delete content from the site, so we have to report it up the chain to get it fully removed, too otherwise I believe we're expected to handle most things ourselves, though I could be mistaken

>>66197 reasonable

Please edit the other sticky to add a link to the board rules page so it's easier to find.

>>71351 ok