I believe rhe anime themselves are still generally drawn by hand when they're done in-house, though coloring has either changed to digital or is being outsourced Though another problem is that so many anime are oursourced these days But there are still sakuga that comes out these days

Lack of resources produces creativity. When Japanese authors didn't have a safety net to fall on, they were better. They were forced to create things that would be successful, or else they would be fired and lose their living. And even when successful, their income was low, and that kept them in a permanent dangerous spot, so they were forced to be creative all the time. That is what produced the best manga and anime. Contrary to what some propaganda pieces say, keeping your employees in a bad spot for their whole lives is GOOD for business. It makes them create the best quality products, while you spend very little money with them, and earn a lot, keeping your company afloat. IF those employees are creative and competent people to begin with. Allowing creators to have a decent living was a mistake. Every safety net makes all creators become more and more lazy, even if they are competent. There is no imminent danger of losing all their money to make them afraid of failure, so they just keep producing garbage.

>>1494 This only works in Japan, in the US black companies tend to end when an employee decides to clean house with some Remington layoffs, lol.

>>1494 While I technically agree with you about the "best", I don't agree that what we're seeing now is nothing but garbage. The number of good to great anime per season has generally increased over time, there was plenty of dogshit back then as well. I would say the number of "truly" amazing anime has decreased, as in anime that reaches and creates the absolute peaks of the medium, but the overall average quality has increased over time. I don't disagree that being in a safe spot all the time can lead to laziness and repetition with a lack of risk-taking, but I hesitate to say that it was just the "lack of resources". Its not like anyone says that its now a cushy life working in an animation studio now. Plus, ironically, when anime gets outsourced or otherwise lacks budget it often turns to shit, and outsourcing is often cited from a lack of money.

>>1498 That is what private security is for. to kill the employees first ;* >>1507 I don't. I think the overall quality decreased to a point where there is barely any reason to read or watch anything new. The older productions are better, and it is way better to just get to read or watch some old classic that a person might not checked out yet, than risk reading or watching anything new. Chances are that the new thing will be garbage. As for the situation in the studios now, the problem is that the economy allows workers to change jobs, if they get fed up with the studios. so, those workers just become lazy, knowing that there will be other places with safety nets for them to fall on if they decide to leave the studios. The way it was done before was better: workers would literally starve to death if they left quit their jobs or if they were fired, and that made a lot of them put effort into their work, with their lives on the line. Basically, sacrifice workers so everybody else is happy, the way it should always be. The lack of money from outsourcing is due to increased salaries for many positions inside companies and studios. If things went back to how they were before, nobody could even ask for a raise without being fired on the spot. And that was awesome for the products. It forced workers to constantly do better, without draining the companies' money. A company without it's owners produces nothing. The owners are the only ones that must be pleased and greatly rewarded. Everyone else is disposable and must be treated accordingly.

>>1511 >the owners are the only ones that must be pleased and greatly rewarded >sacrifice workers so everybody else is happy, the way it should always be Oh, its just niggerpill. What a waste.

>>1513 Sacrificing workers so the owners can have more money and customers can have a better product is the right thing to do. What is niggerpilling about it? Or are you one of the subhuman class/worker class?

>>1491 Outsourcing is a very cheap and effective decision, since its the only way some smaller studios can get any work in industry, especially in thailand/korea/vietnam where there's not a full fledged animation industry yet. Thing is once they penciling is done and sent to those studios, they have no control on what kind of work or how they're performing, just hope that the work they do justify the cost <<1517 ((you))

>>1490 Aside from what this anon said >>1494 (a safe economy is indeed bad for creativity), the Japanese government also had a bunch of retarded laws approved that basically forbids any creativity. Things like: >Modified vehicles can't be shown on television running around streets and highways in Japan >No fictional character is allowed to have any vices such as smoking, drinking or gambling, if they are the good guys >It is forbidden to have characters taking a stance against authority, unless said authority is portrayed differently than what the Japanese government is, with any association of a fictional government with the Japanese government always having said government being portrayed as the heroes and so on. Basically, the Japanese government ruined the country's economy, and it is now afraid of it's people revolting, so for over a decade now they passed a bunch of idiotic laws forbidding authors to ever make works that can incentive people to be rebels, no matter how small or big. As well as idiotic laws made to appease lobbyists from corporations, such as the vehicles law. The problem is both economical and political. The Japanese government is afraid of it's people revolting, so they created laws forbidding fiction to portray revolts as being good, and when country's economy was safe, it's population became lazy and uncreative, including authors. >>1513 What the hell are you talking about, retard? A good and safe economy DOES indeed destroy creativity. It is a proven fact. The more economical safety the authors have, the more they get lazy. That applies to every occupation in society. From government to independent fast food sellers. The more a country makes people's economy safe, the more people will get uncreative and lazy. >>1525 Cheap does not mean good. It is better to have nothing than to have low quality work. If studios go bankrupt due to consumers boycotting their products because of the low quality from outsourced works, what was the point in economizing money to begin with?

>>1546 Safety leading to a lack of originality/creativity is not what was being disagreed with, that anon is retarded because he places the owners of these companies on a do-no-wrong pedestal, when they are nothing more than soulless, greedy businessmen who would sell out their own artists and countrymen for a few more shekels. Did you not read his post where he said the people who actually make these things should be considered disposable and basically thrown through a meat grinder? The economy of these places are so-called "good", and yet they are fine with outsourcing animation to shitholes despite people in Japan producing higher quality animations. I would say the bigger problem is the utter lack of passion for the medium by the people in the top who have controlling power over those who actually do love the medium causing more problems. As an analogous example here, the western game industry is quite literally a meat grinder for developers and grunts who want to make good games, people who were fans of the companies golden age who were treated like shit and worked like slaves until they fucked off or were fired, jaded and used; a fair chunk of those people actually having talent as well. Its not dissimilar in Japan. One of the big issues is that control over these anime studios are not with any actual creators, but with people who are degrees separated. Directors and animators are almost never the actual studio owners.

The VHS OVA era was really magical.

>>1553 but you're posting blu-ray versions

>>1557 I don't really care about the VHS aesthetic, I care about the works of that time.

>>1558 >I don't really care about the VHS aesthetic H e r e s y

>>1551 >he places the owners of these companies on a do-no-wrong pedestal And that is a good thing. Those with the money are more useful than those who work. If you are in a crisis, the owners are the one that can help you, with their money. The workers are, at most, your competition. >they are nothing more than soulless, greedy businessmen who would sell out their own artists and countrymen for a few more shekels As are workers, minus the money. So, the owners are still more valuable. >Did you not read his post where he said the people who actually make these things should be considered disposable and basically thrown through a meat grinder? And what is wrong with that? You give rewards and safety to a worker, and said worker turns into a lazy and useless parasite, producing nothing of value. I would rather have a constant stream of workers being used and disposed off, as long as they produce good works, than rewarding them only to see them produce garbage. >The economy of these places are so-called "good", and yet they are fine with outsourcing animation to shitholes despite people in Japan producing higher quality animations. Because nobody wants to deal with whiny workers. The audience wants to work done, in order to enjoy it. The owners want the work done, in order to profit from it. The workers demanding higher pay and better condition are an obstacle to this. They slow down the production, and risk making the owners simply abandon investment, if it becomes too expensive to pay workers. I want to see a show finished, so I can enjoy it. I don't want it to be stopped because some slave is complaining about being a disposable tool. >I would say the bigger problem is the utter lack of passion for the medium by the workers too. Workers are in only for the money too. That is the truth that you don't want to see. Workers only care about getting paid and moving on. They don't care about their work, even when they are the authors. >the western game industry is quite literally a meat grinder for developers and grunts who want to make good games Those developers are political activists. What they are complaining is that they can't inject their retarded politics into the game. >a fair chunk of those people actually having talent as well >One of the big issues is that control over these anime studios are not with any actual creators, but with people who are degrees separated. >Directors and animators are almost never the actual studio owners. Then, let them create their own companies and try to run it. See what happens. Most of the time, they go bankrupt. The corporate higher ups are needed in order to keep things working. But workers complaining all the time are not needed.

>>1577 You fail to realize that chasing money at all costs leads to taking advantage of their customers by giving them inferior products in more Jewish ways to see what they can get away with, on top of accepting Jewish money because the people at the top have no principles, passion or integrity Anime is both art and a product, whereas businessmen without souls care only about anime as a product, which leads to disaster. Kadokawa has already accepted the ESG pill and eventually their anime will degrade, and Soyny has a shit-ton of control over the industry, because these owners are parasites who will accept money to get buttfucked and have the customers eat the sloppy seconds while all the talent gets fired and they outsource to 3rd world shitholes.

>All this talk shilling for lazy authors and such Let them all create their "so loved" works of "art" without any money from any company, and see how fast they go back to begging for corporate money. Authors are scum. The only way to make them create something good is to exploit them.

>>1579 >You fail to realize that chasing money at all costs leads to taking advantage of their customers by giving them inferior products in more Jewish ways to see what they can get away with Just like workers. >the people at the top have no principles, passion or integrity Just like workers. You seem to think that somehow workers aren't as greedy as any corporate suit. Putting workers on a pedestal is what enabled corruption inside many industries. Anime is a product. "Art" comes as a collateral effect. If it does not make profit, it gets cancelled. Product first. Art as a bonus. >businessmen without souls care only about anime as a product Just like workers. >which leads to disaster A show flopping leads to disaster, cancellation and in many cases, blacklisting of themes and ideas, for fear of new flops. Something not making money is the biggest disaster, worse than anything else. >Kadokawa has already accepted the ESG pill Boycott them for that. Simple as that. The market decides what it must be allowed. >and eventually their anime will degrade Workers that get paid well eventually become lazy and make their works degrade. Your point? >Soyny has a shit-ton of control over the industry Boycott them. Simple as that. >because these owners are parasites who will accept money to get buttfucked Just like workers. >and have the customers eat the sloppy seconds As a customer, I am free to boycott them all if their products don't meet my criteria of quality. >while all the talent gets fired And said talent when paid well stop producing quality products. Your point? >and they outsource to 3rd world shitholes That gets the job done and can never go on strike, since they would starve to death if they ever stopped working. Win-win for custoemrs and companies. >"but muh low quality!" Just like workers, when they get paid well. They become lazy and only produce garbage. Boycott the companies if they produce low quality work. But don't go on putting workers into a pedestal, like if they weren't exactly the same greedy and soulless parasites as corporate suits, minus the money to actually make works possible.

>>1586 >just like the workers Wrong, the workers are the ones working shit paying jobs because they like the medium. They aren't in it for the money you retarded nigger. >just like workers Wrong, the workers are the creators and people who actually are experienced within the industry and enjoy the medium who make anything possible. You are praising out-of-touch tonerheads. >workers aren't as greedy there's a fundamental difference between a passionate creator in charge vs a corporate suit. >just boycott lmao Good luck with that when the industry is becoming an oligopoly >outsourcing Outsourcing literally proves you wrong you retard. They pay even lower dogshit to 3rd worlders for much, much worse quality. The native workers are the ones who actually make the works quality to begin with, but you praise the people in charge who sabotage their own studio's work for some pennies saved because you're a brainless nigger without any critical thought. You have not provided a single example of an anime studio whose workers were paid well but stopped producing quality content; the opposite is true. The workers in the native JP industry are already paid like dogshit, but the owners still fuck them over anyways.

>>1587 >>1579 Stop replying to his obvious bait nigger, talk about how older anime (especially OVAs) had more content than current one, and require you to follow 3 seasons of anime inorder to understand the characters instead of a self contained plot

>>1587 >the workers are the ones working shit paying jobs As they should. >because they like the medium They don't. They like the money. You put them on a pedestal, ignoring that they are the same greedy soulless people as the corporate owners. >the workers are the creators And that does not exempt them from being greedy and soulless. >people who actually are experienced within the industry and enjoy the medium who make anything possible Money is what makes anything possible. Workers don't enjoy the medium. They enjoy the money. Like everyone else. You sound just like a deluded woman making excuses for dating a criminal. >there's a fundamental difference between a passionate creator in charge vs a corporate suit Not when money is the subject. Passionate or not, they are all in for the money. If those workers would be so passionate, ask them to do all their work for free then. See how many of them would accept working without any form of payment. >Good luck with that when the industry is becoming an oligopoly So you are just a blind consumerist that does not take a stand against practices that you don't like. Anything that you say is irrelevant from now on. You are a idiot who wants to keep consuming regardless of what is presented to you. >Outsourcing GETS THE JOB DONE. You have no argument against this. You don't like the finished work? It is your choice to not like it. But it was DONE. Unlike your fairy tale "muh passionate work" that never gets done because the world runs on money and those who control the money want things DONE quick and cheap. If the passionate are so competent, let them create their own companies to produce such "quality" works. See what happens. The native workers produce quality work when worked to near death for very small payment. As soon as they get well paid, they stop producing quality work. Workers sabotage their own studios for change money all the time too. You deitify workers as if they were any different than corporate suits. they aren't. They are one and the same. Examples of those who do that: all of them. Every single one of them. Better payment for workers = low quality products. 100% of the time. And they keep whining and demanding more rights, when they can barely finish on schedule. And as soon as some got better payment in the past, their finished work turned to shit. Rumiko Takahashi, Masami Kurumada, Yoshihiro Togashi, and all others. Got well paid, then turned to shit. Workers produce better works when exploited. No amount of blind idolization from you will ever change that fact. And I'm glad that the Japanese industry exploits it's workers, as it should. It is better for the final product. Regarding workers: use and discard. Always. >>1589 Here comes the no-argument retard who accuses everyone of baiting.

>>1598 >he's bringing up mangaka now you mean the same ones who are literally overworked to death? >Togashi Nah, fuck off. Hiatus x Hiatus might be a (reddit) meme, but its still been damn good, and he produced the best arc in the series over an 8-year span. I'm fine with being patient. >Takahashi You mean the one who made a shit-ton of best-selling manga (and subsequently led to anime) that people loved? He already was rich but still produced content people loved for at least 2 decades if not more. >Kurumada The man who is 70 years old and could've retired by now? Good argument. >If the passionate are so competent, let them create their own companies to produce such "quality" works. See what happens. Mappa, Wit, Ufotable, Bones, and Trigger. >So you are just a blind consumerist that does not take a stand against practices that you don't like. Anything that you say is irrelevant from now on. You are a idiot who wants to keep consuming regardless of what is presented to you. Incorrect, I'm pointing out that these very actions are cancerous, but there are far bigger problems, and these said people that you are defending are part of the fucking problem. You are against meritocracy and instead for blind corporate cocksucking, naively acting like the lolberg approach will work out fine when the people in charge are the fucking problem here. >deifying workers >Workers don't enjoy the medium. They enjoy the money No, the workers have flaws too, some of them are indeed greedy and take advantage of the company (though its piddling compared to how much the company takes advantage of them), and others might not be as competent or energetic as they should be, but guess what? They have far less flaws than the out-of-touch soulless cancer who would sell out their own country for a few shekels. Workers need money at the end of the day to survive, but passionate artists don't need much money to be happy as long as they are fulfilled. But these cancerous faggots aren't willing to even pay them their shit salaries. Everyone knows what its like to work at these studios already. Fucking Ghibli workers in the 90s and 2000s ate the shittiest, most pitiful instant ramen and badly cooked spaghetti you will find, but they worked there passionately because their leader was a creator who actually cared about the medium despite the conditions being like shit. >Workers produce better works when exploited. No amount of blind idolization from you will ever change that fact. Wrong. America had the highest number of world-changing inventions and technology in the world for the past 200 years and was synonymous with quality, similar as Japan, along with once having a strong, but fair work culture and a powerful incentive and meritocratic system which encouraged invention. Then the manufacturing and technology was outsourced to China and India thanks to corrupt politicians who fucked the common man and America lost everything, and it became a service economy full of debt and cancer instead. Now Japan is slowly going through something similar, but you defend this bullshit. >GETS THE JOB DONE. You have no argument against this. You don't like the finished work? It is your choice to not like it. But it was DONE Are you retarded? It was done like shit, you are trading in top-tier restaurant-quality food for ghetto McDonalds and asking why people are complaining, and no shit, the former one takes longer and more money to make because its higher quality. >>1589 He's actually putting in effort into his posts, so I didn't want to dismiss him out of hand even though he reminds me of many faggots.

>>1490 Geist gives me a boner and I'm not even gay

Does anyone know of any anime series that are resicted exclusively to distribution on VHS tapes? Or where their later DVD/Blu-Ray releases are inferior to the VHS versions? I'm asking because I've been on a bit of a kick when it comes to looking for media released on vintage formats like VHS and VideoCDs.

>>4226 You want my honest opinion, all of them. Every bluray release ive seen of something i watched years ago sounds like they made them quiet enough to be played in a library at max volume without disturbing anybody around you. Your eyes will forgive alot but your ears are what help immerse you into what you are watching.

>>1490 Anime was better when made by old people who would put either their personal lives' experiences or psychosis into the stories, making them memorable and objectively good. Nowadays, just like the rest of the world, Japanese media is produced by a bunch of young retards with no life, whose only life "experience" is browsing the internet.

>>1605 >you mean the same ones who are literally overworked to death? As they should. If you want a good life, go be a manager or some higher position in society. Workers = paid slaves. as it should always be. >I'm fine with being patient Blind consumerist. >He already was rich but still produced content people That blind consumerists 'love". He decayed, like all else who got good payment. >Mappa, Wit, Ufotable, Bones, and Trigger. And look at them now: some becoming greedy and lazy, and some becoming literal political activists. While producing actual good results stopped years ago. I would rather have them working to death and producing good results. >I'm pointing out that these very actions are cancerous They aren't. exploiting workers is how good results are achieved. Corporations are the ones capable of making things work and actually distribute everything properly. Take out a brand, and watch as 90% of customers lose interest in a product, even when it is the exact same product with the exact same quality. Corporations run the show. Workers are disposable tools. Get used to it. >the workers have flaws too They have the most and worst flaws, and they are completely incapable of producing actual successful material without companies controlling them. >some of them are indeed greedy ALL of them are greedy. You worship them as if they were somehow different. Again: ask them to produce everything for free, for life, and seed what happens. Money is the only thing that matters. They are in for the business. not for dumb concepts such as "art". >compared to how much the company takes advantage of them And there is nothing wrong with that. Companies matter. Workers don't. Workers are easily replaceable. >They have far less flaws They don't. They have the worst flaws. > the out-of-touch soulless cancer who would sell out their own country for a few shekels Workers are exactly like that. Like everyone else is. The world is not your fantasy of honest people. Everybody is in for the money. Nothing else. >Workers need money at the end of the day to survive And that is how they should be kept all the time. And that is how good results are produced. By making them comfortable, you lower their productivity. >passionate artists don't need much money to be happy as long as they are fulfilled Thus, exploiting them is good, as they work out of passion and having low income ensures that they are FORCED to stay that way, as they should. >these cancerous faggots The workers? Yes, they are cancerous faggots. >aren't willing to even pay them their shit salaries Nothing wrong with that. Work out of passion, or else you are just a soulless greedy bastard like everyone else. >Everyone knows what its like to work at these studios already And that is how they should always be. >Fucking Ghibli workers in the 90s and 2000s ate the shittiest, most pitiful instant ramen and badly cooked spaghetti you will find, but they worked there passionately In other words, the perfect system. >their leader was a creator who actually cared about the medium He is as greedy as everyone else. Ask him to work for free, and see what happens. Everyone in the world is in for the money. Everyone is greedy. Those few who even consider not being greedy are the first ones to die from poverty. >despite the conditions being like shit As they should. >America had the highest number of world-changing inventions and technology in the world for the past 200 years and was synonymous with quality, similar as Japan, along with once having a strong, but fair work culture and a powerful incentive and meritocratic system which encouraged invention. And that is bad for long term business. A stable business is preferable than that. And you can't have stability along with good working conditions. Good conditions always lead to lazy workers. That is precisely why America is declining now. Those who had it the way you described all became lazy pieces of shit.

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Keep them all starving, and they will keep working better, out of necessity. >Then the manufacturing and technology was outsourced to China and India And guess how they operate? By enslaving workers. THAT is how a business can prosper and be stable. Win-win for the ones that matter (owners and managers). >fucked the common man Nothing wrong with that. The common people are disposable tools. >America lost everything due to the common man's laziness. If they stayed quiet and worked to death with minimal conditions to live, they would at least have a living. Since they revolted against business, now they have nothing. Business moved elsewhere, to places where workers shut up and obey. >it became a service economy full of debt and cancer instead The workers' fault. Should have just shut up and kept working for scraps of food. Life is not so amazing now that your superiors moved business away from you due to your complaints, isn't? >Now Japan is slowly going through something similar, but you defend this bullshit. Because it is the perfect system. Exploit workers = success and prosperity for the few whose lives actually matter and who can keep business existing in a stable manner. >you are trading in top-tier restaurant-quality food for ghetto McDonalds Only for the common people/workers, while the superior people (owners and managers) eat quality food. As it should always be. >and asking why people are complaining Keep complaining and the business will simply be moved elsewhere. Not so great now, is it? The common people's only choices are: either work to death for shitty conditions, or starve to death in even shittier conditions. The retards choose to antagonized businesses instead of just accepting to live in their shit conditions AS THEY SHOULD. So businesses moved away to places where workers don't complain. Do you think that anyone, anywhere, will tolerate workers running the show? If you do, you are delusional. Workers don't like to live like shit? Then they are useless and will be abandoned to starve to death. >ormer one takes longer and more money to make because its higher quality And thus, must go only for the elite. Not for the common people. the common people gets what can be done fast, so business can keep being profitable for the elite. That is how the world always was and always will be. If you aren't high on the social ladder, your life is not important. Business can't be successful if it wastes time with slowly produced goods. Outsourcing gets the job done. That is the only thing that matters. Don't like it? So what? You are the ones who decided to not have the shitty life that you deserve. so now everything is moved to places where people will actually do what they are told to and live how they are told to.

>>4238 Go back to the retirement home, Hayao Neglecting your son isn't valuable life experience