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>>13330 This is my first General Thread, did I do good?

>>13332 >>13329 No title

>>13333 I honestly didn't notice till you pointed it out

>>13333 Im sorry

>>13334 Yeah, it's tricky, I've almost missed it before. But it's no biggie, thanks for baking.

>>13336 you replied to the wrong Anon

>>13337 no bully

>>13339 if it makes you feel better, there's probably a large chance we get nothing of value from SXSW and it's just TSR footage we've already seen and an announcement for the storymode we already know exists

>>13339 Thats very unfortunate

>>13340 Movie trailer is going to drop and we gonna go fast at the very least.

>>13342 >Movie trailer gonna drop I shudder to think what's gonna be in it

>>13343 Just need to get it over with. Rip off the bandaid.

>>13343 Don't get me wrong, me too, but it's always fun to be in happenings.

>>13340 >rumors about a new cartoon start doing the rounds >cartoons chick is at SXSW what if a new cartoon is announced? I can't remember her talking about any other thing every time they've had her in public.

>>13347 What would a new cartoon even be?

>>13348 Mania Adventures 2

>>13348 I can see a Mania Adventures Season 2 with Sonic, Tails, Amy, Mighty, Ray, Metal, Eggman & Knuckles being announced, or a new Modern Sonic cartoon. Personally speaking, I'd love both but given how popular the Mania stuff has been, I can see SEGA continuing to ride that particular train.

>>13350 I would love a Modern cartoon series, but Mania Adventures is probably easier and cheaper to make since there's no voices.

https://youtu.be/PbL46C0xPTo >>13350 I’m pretty sure it’s either canned or in development hell, but here’s what you might want:

Good morning slowpokes.

>>13352 Huh. Actually looks pretty neat >pretty sure it's either canned or in development hell O-oh

>>13353 Morning, anon

>>13352 The creator is working on Sonic Legacy, so she probably thought that she'd get her name out there and then get to work on it

Have you ever rage quit a Sonic game?

>>13357 I somehow made it through Sonic 06 and ShTH.

>>13357 no

>>13357 just once but I came back a day later. I got way too frustrated with that one fight in Sonic Battle when you're Knuckles and fighting three Guard Robots at once

>>13357 I didn't ragequit, but playing Hydrocity in Sonic Mania Tails got an air bubble when I was underwater & was 1 second away from dying causing me to die. I had to pause the game for a couple of minutes.

If there is nothing for modern Sonic announced at SXSW, I think he might be dead or getting phased out

>>13357 Rage quitting at a video game? Haha, no, who would do something like that haha. Yes, twice I think, one with Heroes and one with SA2. I think both were on heavily rail-oriented levels. I'd have to look the levels up to remember which ones they were and at what points it was, but you guys could probably guess them anyway.

>>13361 >Tails got an air bubble when I was underwater & was 1 second away from dying causing me to die

>>13357 not really, unless you count when I was really little.

>>13362 I was the first to panic about that with Boom but right now I don't think they have any reason to do it. Even if it's not doing so well, it's still a franchise that they can whore out and get a decent amount of money from, and currently I see no reason for them to give that up.

>>13362 Forces was like one year old right? And TSR is literally still happening. I really don't understand where did all this forced mentality where a series has to be talked about 24/7 to stay relevant anymore. Like, I wish I was still in 1996 playing Sonic 3K and still have the idea Sonic was still a thing after 3+ years when SA1 and 2 happened. I don't get it, is this just common for every franchise now?

>>13368 Modernfags have a victim complex. Ignore them.

>>13368 People tend to worry too much about where the series is heading, tbh. I remember SEGA mentioning at last years SXSW that the current plan is pretty much: Modern & Classic are gonna be their own series with a respective branch getting a title every couple of years or so. Besides, there's more money to be made appealing to both Classic & Modern fans.

>>13370 That isn't a doomsday scenario but it is absolutely a sign that SEGA has no idea how to fix Sonic.

>>13368 I think we're still used to having more frequent game releases. That no longer being the case brings a lot more uncertainty, made worse because the franchise is not in a good spot and we don't know where it's headed. I also think the fanbase is structured in a way that expects the series to be talked 24/7 and things being as dead as they are now doesn't help.

>>13368 Forces hasn't been mentioned since its release and Sega is barely advertising TSR outside of Japan which doesn't make sense because Japan doesn't care about Sonic. It's good that they're trying to increase the series' popularity there but if they're going to ignore the West it's kind of alarming

>>13372 That's probably the case. I mean yeah Forces hasn't been mentioned a whole lot since release, but that's pretty much because of its reception since similar treatment was given to Lost World after it got mediocre reviews. TSR's lack of advertising could be cause for concern, but I imagine that has something to due with how it was getting some pretty mixed reception of its own pre-delay. And there's a chance that they haven't fixed much of it, but we'll see

>>13374 my biggest fear with TSR is that it somehow turns out really good, like 8+/10 good but it sells like garbage because the lack of advertising and it being released so close to CTR. Then Sega will get the idea that delaying games to fix them up is pointless and we'll never break the cycle

>>13352 I personally want deeper stories but this looked a bit too much like a soap opera. Nonetheless I'm not one to complain of having more fan animations out there, that's always awesome.

https://twitter.com/sonic_hedgehog/status/1100219799722909696 kek Also, it is was Ohshima's birthday, you did wish him a happy birthday didn't you /sthg/?

>>13377 I still remember Ohshima posting the little OC he made in Forces. It was a kinda cute one. Either way, happy birthday to based Ohshima! >>13375 That's fair, but I think word about games tend to travel pretty fast these days. Who knows, if TSR turns out to be great that word could spread & ramp up its sales?

>>13357 Lost World at the last Zavok boss fight. Took me over a year before I went back and finished it.

>>13363 Rail levels around those times were really sketchy, so I don't blame ya.

>>13363 >heavily rail-oriented levels Rail Canyon?

Not really news, but THQ held an AMA on /v/ yesterday and it turns out Sega has the rights to distribute the Advance trilogy rather than them despite the their labeling. Hope I can find an archive of that thread since it fell off and journo sites, ResetERA, and the other /v/ made a huge fuss over it-I wonder how many know the board owner was also the one who originally leaked Mania as the "12 game overs guy".

>>13382 >SEGA has the rights to distribute the Advance trilogy Well, I suppose it makes sense given the few years THQ was out of business. That being said, this does make me wonder why they never bothered re-releasing those games.

>>13383 They did… in Japan.

>>13383 A bigger reason is it being a GBA game. Not to my knowledge, but are there ported GBA games at this point in time? I'd imagine at best it would have to go to Nintendo's hardware, but then again, Lost World was meant to be Nintendo exclusive yet they still rereleased it on PC for some reason…

>>13382 >THQ held an AMA on /v/ Holy shit, at first I thought you meant 4/v/ and I was surprised but that place has been becoming more and more mainstream, but it was actually here?! No way!

>>13387 Yeah, that's actually pretty damn cool. Although I imagine it couldn't have gone well

https://web.archive.org/web/20190227221154/https://kotaku.com/anyone-for-sonic-the-hedgehog-lego-1832912457 After LEGO Dimensions, I'm surprised we haven't gotten a LEGO Sonic set, yet.

>>13386 The Advance games were put on the Wii U Japanese e-shop.

>>13382 So much stuff to read.

New IDW Sonic storytimed in >>13390 This new issue made me think, what would Eggman even do with himself if he ever beat Sonic?

>>13398 It'd probably depend on what beating Sonic means exactly. >try some new science stuff for a while >get bored >get frustrated with his situation, becoming increasingly angry and depressed >blame Sonic for being defeated >trash a base full of robots out of anger >get angry at Sonic >proceed to devise a way to undo what he did to Sonic so that he's able to express his anger to him personally >get too focused and fuck things up, allowing Sonic to escape and revert things back to normal

>>13398 I feel like Eggman would just prefer him to be a prisoner forever and watch his accomplishments. I feel like a big goal for Eggman should be to try and break Sonic's spirit,

>>13406 How would lil' Metal even consume glue?

>>13407 Put it in the chest turbine.

>>13352 >I’m pretty sure it’s either canned or in development hell Yep, you're right, It's as good as gone… Last summer, the author's hard drive with "literally everything" on it got bricked, and he spent too much time and money on this project already to simply start back at square one: http://hydrocity.zone/cancelation/ <So yeah, sorry guys, but it's never happening in your lifetime.

>>13410 >the author's hard drive with "literally everything" on it got bricked Jesus that always fucking sucks. Always back your stuff up, folks

>>13377 >>13378 Thanks for reminding me, wished him happy birthday a few days ago. Almost 12 years since I got 06 and I never would have imagined its OST would be used by Bolsonaro, or, just about anything that had had happened in the 2010's, really. Such as: https://archive.fo/iAKft#selection-16079.0-16165.75 https://archive.fo/mTR5S#selection-25647.0-25703.28 Thanks, Reinhard Bonus: https://archive.fo/mTR5S#selection-15655.0-15747.32

>>13396 Oh and the 1st Advance had an NGage port in the west as "Sonic Now", which is often forgotten for reasons that are obvious to anyone who knew what the NGage was

>>13412 What a ride. I need to keep reading this shit today, I haven't had much time these last few days.

>>13413 >Sonic Now Huh, I always thought it was just called Sonic N

>>13415 It is. I don't know where "Sonic Now" comes from.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4USXh5YreNY >>13416 I have to imagine this was probably the highest rated N-Gage title

>>13416 It was an embarrassing typo, I thought I only put down "N", too.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=On-Qs7A6Dmw

>>13406 I really like that handwriting I want to hold the hand that wrote it. >>13407 Glue funnel in oil inlet.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PX_VS1pOWlY >SEGA: Rember Night of the Werehog?! Nah, me either, so lets make a live action movie because that's what fans want and is easier to do anyways! >GameFreak: Hold my beer

>>13422 The music was way over the top for what was going on, lol.

>>13422 >another weird pokemon movie At least the protagonist wasn't niggerized this time.

>>13424 this movie is based on the anime so of course everyone is going to be white except Brock. The pikachu movie isn't tied to any specific game/anime so they can do whatever they want with the characters. And it's not like nonwhite people don't exist in the Pokemon world so it's not really a problem

>>13412 I can't go to any Sonic twitter without seeing mentions of THQ's Q&A here, not once painted in a positive light.

>>13382 >I wonder how many know the board owner was also the one who originally leaked Mania as the "12 game overs guy". 4/v/?

>>13426 I heard the Q&A was a bit of a shitshow, which isn't too shocking to me. Should probably read those links soon. >>13428 This /v/ actually. Right before Mania came out, the owner of /v/ leaked the game, but he got 12 game overs throughout his playthrough which was pretty hilarious.

>>13424 >the protagonist wasn't niggerized wat.

Look at how jacked Terios was Is there anyway to give Sonic characters muscle or abs that doesn't look kinda offputting?

>>13431 Either go with Boom Knuckles or just go with 06 proportions and accept Modern Sonic looks less like a cartoon hedgehog and moreso a furry.

>>13425 >The pikachu movie isn't tied to any specific game seriously?

>>13433 Detective Chaotix game when, SEGA?

>>13431 There is not.

>>13435 I need more of these two

>>13437 He isn't a real hedgehog you know.

>>13438 There's something about that kind of Eggman/Metal dynamic that I really enjoy

>>13439 It's not nice to post lies, anon.

Today's Hoshino's birthday! Go wish him a happy birthday! Here's something Ohshima drew for his, which was also this week. God dammit, their last names are so confusing.

>>13442 Nice! Hopefully Hoshino has a good birthday

>>13442 Hope he’s having a nice birthday. He’s been with Sonic Team for quite a long time.

Is there any word on whether the SXSW panel will be streamed?

>>13445 To my knowledge nothing has been said yet, but I imagine someone will stream it if any of the official Sonic YT won't.

>>13445 >>13446 Someone at the event usually has a stream set up if they can't officially do it. Regardless, anything shown I imagine will be immediately put up on YouTube.

How did Sonic lose so much weight when he became Modern?

>>13449 He just grew and thinned out. His metabolism must’ve kicked into high gear.

>>13450 All that running probably helped from Amy , too.

>>13452 Fuck, meant to put all that running from Amy probably helped Ruined my own damn post

>>13329 Matilda was cute.

What are you fags doing this weekend?

>>13455 Probably try out Sonic Rush, after all these years of not playing it

>>13455 Playing lots of video games!

>>13452 Funny, I was gonna say that originally.

>>13455 making an attempt to learn lowpoly modeling. a lot harder than I thought

>>13462 >lowpoly modeling God-speed, anon

>>13462 I don't think I'll ever understand what people's fascination with this is.

>>13464 same reason for a lot of things: nostalgia

>>13467 >>13466 Crazy Amy always looks cute

>>13464 Aesthetic. Lowpoly 3D has a surreal, dreamlike quality to it. It encourages your mind to fill in missing details.

>>13470 Basically this. Not saying it should replace the current 3D Sonic models or anything they should be replaced with the stuff they used in Unleashed, but low-poly models have a nice aesthetic to them that I've always found charming. Plus, they can look pretty cute at times.

Do y'all plan on buying TSR?

>>13472 no

>>13472 Depending on how the final version of the game turns out

No… Because to sum up the game in short: "It's SSASR: Transformed, but downgraded and shameless." This is just a cash grab, the only thing I expect is that it will have at most 60% on Metacritic. Anything more than that means I lose the bet.

>>13475 I forgot this: >>13472

>>13472 I can't say that I do… Not that interested in racing games and this one specifically looks rather lame.

>>13475 I wish more people acted like this with Forces.

ten years

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VaQw0IEzn48 >>13479 Not a great title in terms of gameplay, but when it comes to writing & atmosphere Black Knight has remained one of my guilty pleasures when it comes to Sonic. Its soundtrack was pretty sweet, too

>>13472 Not currently. I only play Transformed because friends play it, and they only got it because it went cheap for $5 and there really isn't a great alternative kart game for PC. They don't like Sonic either, so I doubt I can convince them to buy it for $40

>>13475 I think it'll be in the 75% range. The actual racing seems fine and that's the meat of the game. I do imagine a ton of reviews saying moving to a Sonic-only roster was a poor choice and guaranteed they'll shit on the story mode.

>>13484 >Silver Chao That's adorable

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KgJtpH3_4Hk Post songs (original or remixed) from other games that sound like they could be in a Sonic game

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RSY27JWkEVk >>13486 Kinda cheating, but this absolutely could've been in a Sonic R sequel or something.

>>13487 Yeah, has a very Sonic R + Riders vibe to it.

>>13487 >Metropolis Street Racer Mi man

>>13487 Here's the full soundtrack >>>/mu/99280

>>13490 Awesome. Thanks, anon!

This video contains some snippets of TSR tunes that haven't been released yet. Bretty good.

>>13492 Damn, sweet

>>13492 Some nice sounding stuff. >that second pic How good is Sonic at playing guitar?

>>13495 cheer up lil hog

>>13494 >How good is Sonic at playing guitar? He rocks

>>13498 Sonic's hands are too big for that guitar.

>>13492 >Dat Eggman SA1 theme on 3

>>13503 Cute. I wonder if all the Sonic characters have their own Chao

https://twitter.com/tssznews/status/1102705749124358144 AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA! AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA!!!

>>13506 Dear sweet Jesus, why?

https://twitter.com/tssznews/status/1102709164898508801 >It's real Jesus Christ. This film is fucking D.O.A

His gloves are fur.

>>13509 >gloves are just a texture This gets more lazy by the second.

>>13506 They better be fake or change this poo now!

https://twitter.com/tssznews/status/1102714259576889345?s=20 >Movie Sonic, Classic Sonic, Modern Sonic, Animation Sonic >Animation Sonic Oh boy

>>13514 >yet another fucking multiple-pillar approach SEGA, just stop. Stop. Please, stop. STOP. WHAT THE FUCK, STOP.

>>13514 >Boom confirmed dead The fuck is an animation Sonic

https://twitter.com/MistysMisties/status/1102715542002155522?s=09 >Chill & Lickable >Lickable CRASHING THIS FRANCHISE WITH NO SURVIVORS

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MtGA8k3oF7Y >>13506

>>13518 >Lickable Fucking what?

This is the page of the firm and the original URL where this was found https://www.hcassociates.com/2019/03/sonic-boom/ What the fuck does this have to do with Sonic Boom?

>>13522 Fucking terrifying

>>13506 Slightly bigger and with more stuff.

>>13524 >>13522 >>13506 Y'know, it wouldn't be so bad if he had bigger shoes, hands, and less toned legs

>>13506 I hate this. I hate being a Sonic fan.

Kek. >>13525 Don't forget about the eyes and gloves. And everything else.

>>13527 Poor Naka

Ouch.

>>13529 I wonder what must be going through the minds of people like Ohshima right now

>>13530 >thank god I got out of sega

>>13526 It's so painful.

>>13535 I wonder if Ken realizes that's not a good thing

>>13535 Am I the only one that's getting an error that the page does not exist? There was this tweet retweeted in that profile thought: https://twitter.com/KenPenders/status/1102731557008158720 He obviously would be none the wiser until everything blew up in his face, but the responses are pretty funny.

Jesus Christ.

>>13538 Fucking lol

>>13538 My god, it's true. This film is the equivalent of the Ecce Mono.

I really can’t wait to see how Iizuka spins his thoughts on the design. Somebody’s gonna ask him at some point.

>>13541 I can totally see Iizuka just ignoring it for as long as possible

It's interesting that we've gotten other people that are involved or have been involved with the franchise commenting negatively on this. I can't remember this happening before, not even with Boom. >>13541 It'd be interesting to see what he has to say about this, maybe someone could ask him during SXSW Q&A if they allow one. I wonder if we'll see him distressed during a livestream like that one time during the Boom ordeal.

>>13543 This whole movie mess really shows how much the fandom overreacted to Sonic Boom.

>>13544 Not him, but I never really had an issue with the Boom designs, aside from Boom!Sonic's forehead & shoetape But yeah, this is a pretty unique situation with people that have actually worked on Sonic voicing their displeasure for a product like this.

>>13544 I don't think it overreacted, it was also something pretty bad.

>>13544 Boom Sonic is just 06 Sonic with Nathan Drake attire on top. It was just pointless more than bad.

What would Modern and Classic Sonic think of Movie Sonic?

>>13548 Probably something close to pic related Source: https://twitter.com/Masked_Bixch/status/1102750985112481792

>>13357 Eggmanland, ps2 Unleashed.

>Go to /sthg/ booru >Sees this No

>>13551 Why?

>>13551 WHY

>>13552 >>13553 For suffering

>>13554 Speaking of which, I just came across this sin against nature

>>13554 Objective completed, damn. >>13555 Kill it with fire. Lots of fire.

>>13557 I mean, we've seen examples of characters/ideas having to be scrapped because SEGA wouldn't allow it, so I'm confused as to why anyone would think restrictions/mandates/whatever you wanna call it don't exist. And in regards to IDW, given how it is its own universe but takes a lot of history from the games, I imagine they can't do anything that may contradict past or future titles.

>>13557 I'm not sure how much insight she would have on the writing side of things. That you can "go crazy" certainly doesn't sound right. I hope leaking this conversation doesn't get her in trouble, it certainly doesn't look good to be in a conversation where you discuss the work of a coworker of yours in those terms.

AAAHHHHHHHHH It's real, btw: https://twitter.com/tssznews/status/1103346195655725057

>>13560 That's terrifying

>>13560 What the actual fuck. Who the hell can do this and end up thinking that it looks ok? Why go through the trouble of a redesign for this? Do you think they're doing this on purpose?

I feel bad for Sonic. Mostly the fans not coping with this the most, while it seems the most the general audience can do is "the design isn't that bad, it's decent enough". Sad. And things like this just make me wish cartoons just stayed cartoons. It's not about the design at this point, fiction should just stay fiction, when it's about organic life I feel. https://twitter.com/hyper3d/status/1103320576305721344

>>13562 Too real

>>13551 Hot

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3OfI2FQtqfg I think it's good idea to post this now, since no one looking up or talking about the details on the movie as everyone goes emotional, forgetting that these are rumors, kek.

>>13568 >This is how Bernie can still win

>>13560 The icing on the cake is that this was produced by Marza. I wonder if they all committed sudoku.

>>13568 This being done by some of the people who did the CGI in Shadow & Marza actually kind of makes things worse, if the rumor is true. If that's really the design being used for the film, that is a ton of talent going to waste there.

>>13569 >This is how Bernie can still win >post vaguely related thing This is the details behind X's campaign and who doing it. >>13572 It's ok, we can get root beers and burn the Bonfire later as the world craps itself.

>>13568 >the writers' background is in porn movies

Seems SXSW will stream the panel. https://twitter.com/SXSWGaming/status/1103394210408030208

>>13575 Sweet. Here's hoping we get some good news there.

>>13576 >Here's hoping we get some good news

>>13577 I know

Place your bets, ladies and gentlemen.

>>13579 >someone asks about SA3 >actual SA3 announcement

>>13579 Awesome. Placing bets on: >Memes >Cross-promotions >More Sonic Adventures >"Nonono just kidding!" >Stream issues Kind of safe, but that's what I see happening.

>>13579 I had fun

>>13582 >>13581 No "WOW IT'S FUCKING NOTHING"? Because that's the first thing I'd bet on, probably just as likely as memes.

>>13583 Between TSR & the Movie, I can totally see something being announce. Whether or not it's particularly good remains to be seen.

>>13583 Well I looked at that like that meant nothing new, but if you meant nothing good? If nothing Mania happens, yeah, I guess so

>>13583 >>13585 Yeah I meant that as "nothing new" not "nothing good". It's very likely they'll announce something new, though.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m_mateioRh8

>>13506 Why didn't Elise have that abortion?! -MugiMikey 2019

>>13589 this >>13522 I just noticed it now, are those fucking Nikes!?

>>13586 Oh, I thought you meant nothing good, like at every E3.

>>13590 Yes, also no socks. People have pointed out that there are actually licensed Nike Sonic sneakers that are better designed and they didn't use, but personally I think they would also look weird as hell.

>>13571 >This being done by some of the people who did the CGI in Shadow & Marza actually kind of makes things worse, if the rumor is true. Have you watched the video yet? Not just CGI in shadow but the people who did "Night of Werehog" and most cgi sonic so far. >If that's really the design being used for the film, that is a ton of talent going to waste there. Yeah, hopefully there isn't corporate meddling, but i doubt that.

>>13589 >Why didn't Elise have that abortion?! rude

Based Tyson Hesse fixing Paramount's shit in https://twitter.com/tyson_hesse/status/1103767554424598528

>>13595 He didn't fix anything or call them out, he just…drew it, unchanged. His eyes might be slightly bigger, but that's it.

>>13596 Not him, but he also changed the color of the non-blue fur to match how it normally is for Sonic & gave him a smirk that's more befitting the character. Not that big of a change, but he added some nice little touches to the overall look of Paramount!Sonic

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dNZhPfROwsg >aaron, arin, and beard guy hang out in Japan I honestly have no clue if Arin didn't enjoy himself or is just that dead inside. That Seaside Hill remix better be in the game, though.

>>13598 >Seaside Hill remix Hell yeah

>>13595 I also don't think he really fixed anything. I have to admit that people "fixing" awful redesigns is becoming a pet peeve of mine. Like, I understand why it's appealing to do and why people like doing it, but in the end it feels like it sends a message more like "this is how you should do it / could have done it" instead of one that makes it clear that it's something they should not be doing, and I feel over time that makes people more receptive of them.

>>13598 Why would you take a person who doesn't like Sonic to something about Sonic?

>>13600 To me, it mostly depends on how the redesigned look turns out. Say for example, someone complains about a design & does their own spin on it that makes the same mistakes they felt the other design made, I can be a bit annoyed by it. But for the most part, I've always had an interest in seeing people put their own spins on certain things like character design, games, or whatever. >>13601 Aaron is pretty good friends with Arin IIRC, so he probably just brought him over to Japan to hang out & did this meme video in-between that.

>>13601 Same reason you send him cupcakes.

>>13600 I don't think that matters because no one liked Paramount anyways. Not to be disrespectful, but people have been doing this for as long as creation existed, because someone "Does something" to piss someone off, and as a result "Something better" comes out from it, even if it wasn't directly spite, which most people aren't doing it out of pure rage. The people posting better redesigns on halfchan are acting more hostile than the people actually doing the drawings themselves.

>>13601 I don't know. And it makes me angry. I do not understand why Aaron continues to bring Arin along for Sonic-related things, as if he's ever going to be nicer to Sonic games. Aaron is only encouraging Arin's continued tarnishing of the brand. If your dog shits on the floor, and you give him bacon in response, he's going to keep shitting on the floor. Any social media expert will tell you that what Aaron is doing is wrong, and that he should be promoting e-celebs who are actual Sonic fans like JonTron, Somecallmejohnny, cobanermani, StephenKnux, Balenaproductions. But instead, Aaron chooses the man who is the source of 70% of blind hatred for this franchise on the internet.

>>13598 I saw the tweet and was grossed out and haven't watched the video yet, gonna do it in a sec, I want to see if I can compress it into a webm somehow. >Sega of America, Inc. paid for Arin Hansen's and Jirar Khalil's trip to Tokyo, Japan >this shit was paid by your vidya money Holy fucking shit fuck Sega.

>>13605 To play devil's advocate: Games like Sonic Mania have been able to succeed/become critical successes, despite the usual stuff about Sonic being said & the people who are usually drawn to the "Sonic was never good" meme vids that go on places like YouTube, are usually people who were never Sonic fans to begin with. I don't know what's really gained by using Arin Hanson on stuff like their official social media pages, but I do think it's a bit much to say that people like Game Grumps have hurt the brand more than say, some of the disappointing games SEGA's released.

>>13602 Yeah, it can be fun when it's a fan related thing but right now it feels like everything's up in the air and Sega's coming up with redesigns and shitty decisions like it's nothing and it doesn't feel like a fun thing anymore. >>13604 >I don't think that matters because no one liked Paramount anyways I don't know if it's just people being ironic but I've seen people saying they did or that it wasn't that bad, and I always see people bargaining (like mentioning that with some changes it wouldn't be so bad) instead of telling the company to unconditionally shove it.

>>13605 >JonTron Wouldn't work because people hate him for political reasons now. Same reason people threw a stick about him being a VA in A Hat in Time. But I agree with the rest.

>>13609 >Wouldn't work because people hate him for political reasons now. Same reason people threw a stick about him being a VA in A Hat in Time. That is an extremely vocal minority. May I remind you how his first video after an 11 month drought has 12mil views, right now? Jontron is really fucking popular, no matter how loudly tumblr cries about him.

>>13608 I imagine there's some people who genuinely like the design, but this point: >mentioning that with some changes it wouldn't be so bad is kinda odd to me. I mean, yeah it would be better with some changes, but those lack of said changes is kind of why it's been catching so much flak. Well, on a more positive note I was thinking back to the Sonic Mania release trailer & the reaction the fanbase had to it & I've been wondering: What was some of the happiest moments you've had in the Sonic fandom? Whether it was seeing a certain moment happen in a game/comic/tv show, or a certain announcement or whatever.

>>13608 People like to be contrarian, for good or bad content, it's just how humans act. Or really, "adults" act. Back when everyone in my age group (millennials) was teenagers, hugboxing and circlejecking was the biggest shit and fuck me do I hate that more than I hate the contrarian posting we got now. Nothing's more shitty to me than faking happiness. At least cope with bad shit instead of trying to 100% lap it up. It could be handled a little better now imo, but I'm less annoyed by forced outrage than forced circlejerking.

>>13598 Ooo

>>13610 Not him, but I can't see SEGA being ok with right-winged opinions being associated with their company mascot aimed at the younger demographic.

>>13610 Fair point. I'm kinda glad that's the case, actually.

>>13611 > What was some of the happiest moments you've had in the Sonic fandom? In the Sonic fandom? As much as it's been starting to make me sad about Sonic Team's quality control, fans making quality fan games, even if they most of the time don't become full projects, makes me feel better wanting to be a game designer and gives me something to enjoy where Sonic Team couldn't.

>>13598 Man, they were so awkward in this >after being in the Tokyo Game Show >after playing a demo of the game they were brought there to shill >what did you guys think? >silence >it's really loud ha ha Song wasn't completely bad. With all the buzz around Sega's new HQ it would have been a lot more fun to just do a more traditional video showing more of it than this.

>>13610 This may sound weird, but I'd kinda like for Aaron to use the name brand & exposure Sonic already has to shine a spotlight on fans & content creators that could use a bigger fanbase. People like somecallmejohnny already gets some views, but being an official Sonic stream with Aaron Webber for example, could give him some really good exposure as opposed to JonTron, who's already super popular. Besides tumblr's ded, it's all about Newgrounds now. >>13616 That's pretty cool, yeah. Seeing projects like the Hero/Ring/Bumper Engine come to life & progress to the point that people are making stuff in it finished or unfinished has been amazing & some of them (like Islands & Utopia) have some really huge potential if they ever reach completion. >makes me feel better wanting to be a game designer Tell me about it. I've been saving up money for a while now to get a good computer so I can mess around in at least one of those fan engines for a fan project of my own that I'd love to try. I should probably find that Google Drive that had all the museum project assets, too.

>>13605 >If your dog shits on the floor, and you give him bacon in response, he's going to keep shitting on the floor. I guess putting videos of his dog shitting on the floor on Youtube makes it justifiable to him. Or maybe he doesn't really care about the brand anymore and since he can get away with it he just does it.

>>13611 >I was thinking back to the Sonic Mania release trailer & the reaction Luckily we can relive it! >What was some of the happiest moments you've had in the Sonic fandom? The Anniversary Party stream and the reveal of Forces at the end of it was awesome for me. I mean, they played it really well, I didn't know what was going to happen with Modern before that and I really thought the party had ended with no announcement for the bigger rat and then they came up with the surprise announcement. Classic in the trailer was a deal breaker for some but I wasn't caring about that at the moment, and the reaction from people only encouraged me to be more hyped. Posting in /sthg/ throughout all the stream was awesome as well, they were a nice couple of fast threads. Shame how that turned out huh. Other than that, buying Sonic garbage has brought me happiness too a few times.

>>13620 How can something be so cringeworthy and so glorious at the same time?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OiYLt6Hk0Io I think this song describes Modern Sonic's situation quite well.

>>13622 >la sad song we have gone through with crap like sonic 06, a bad movie is the least of our problems.

>>13623 To be fair, that doesn't really make things any better. I mean, we're still waiting to see how this Sonic Pillar Team stuff gonna turn out & what the new main Japan team that's gonna be working on Modern Sonic gonna turn out. We've been through worse, but there's definitely some unanswered questions about the series right now.

>>13623 I think a terrible movie is much, much worse than a terrible game.

>>13623 >>13625 This. A whole lot more people are going to see this other than Sonic fans or video game fans, and for many people it will be their first exposure to the franchise.

>>13626 Given the history of Sonic & how long it's been around, I imagine most people have at least heard of the series & know that this movie is its own thing. That being said, this film will be a massively wasted opportunity.

>>13628 Das cute RIP /mmg/

>>13629 Last I heard there were some Mega Man announcements that made them come back, I'm guessing they died again after that?

>>13630 More or less, yeah They live on in a Discord, but the general is kill. New Sonic/MegaMan crossover comic when?

>>13631 >They live on in a Discord Ouch.

>>13631 >They live on in a Discord With a crazy admin, I might add.

>>13633 The internet can make people a bit crazy

>>13625 >>13626 Well then we should have never got anything because all video game movies are dogshit, even Ratchet and Clank

>>13635 The first MK movie was okay

>>13635 It's that kind of attitude that makes people say Sonic should die and that it was never good. Hope and wishful thinking is all we have to hold onto.

>>13637 Are you saying we should hold on to what-if?

>>13637 No, video games should just stay games like they were meant to be. That's where they are best at, and comics only work because they are noncanon to the source mataial after the fact, since most complain it isn't like X now 20 years latter. it's litearlly in moviefag history video game movies just suck. A bad Sonic movie was just going to be that, a bad Sonic movie, weirther it was going to be animated or not. The reason it's a worse thing for Sonic is because of his bad games since 2006, if that shit never happened the bad movie wouldn't be associate with the rest of the series like with Mario when his movie happened 20 years ago.

Sometimes I think Shadow is somebody's self-insert character.

>>13624 >To be fair, that doesn't really make things any better. I'm not saying it is better, i'm saying we have been shot before, we can get shot again and still be fine, it crappy and painful but we will still be fine. >>13625 >I think a terrible movie is much, much worse than a terrible game. Yes, just look at the bad assassin's creed movie that everyone remembers and damage the franchise, unlike the forgotten game unity, how could they ever recover! >>13627 >this film will be a massively wasted opportunity. Most likely this.

>>13640 On one hand, he shares a lot of features that self-insert characters have with his powers, being seemingly immortal, having an incredibly confusing & complicated backstory, etc. But these days he's just a moody douche who just spends most of his days brooding in-between adventures. He's weird.

>>13639 There is literally, positively, objectively, no fucking reason why a video game movie can't work. The only reason they don't is because nobody in the film industry actually plays video games. Even if they did, it would only be on a casual "ignore the cutscenes and have brainless fun for an hour or so" level. Obviously adapting a game to the screen would be problematic, but Sonic has a wide cast of characters, a bevvy of settings to choose from, and entire lexicons of lore to pull from. If you can't adapt it…just do your own thing. It's not that difficult. You have your setting, you have your designs, you have your hero, you have your villain, you have your supporting cast. JUST WRITE A FUCKING STORY. One of these days, someone who grew up playing video games and giving a shit about their narratives, characters and lore will either produce or write a film adapting it to the big screen.

>>13643 >no fucking reason why a video game movie can't work. The only reason they don't is because nobody in the film industry actually plays video games. Even if they did, it would only be on a casual "ignore the cutscenes and have brainless fun for an hour or so" level. So exactly why a video game movie can't work. Detective Pikachu is the prime example of a video game company having a lot of control over their product, and it's still going to be "brainless fun" because that's all movies are good for. Fiction isn't a big thing anymore, look at the state of American entertainment. Kids would rather listen to some e-celebs opinion instead of playing games or reading a book. Imagination right now is legit dying out. It's unsure if we just because A.I in the future, but right now, kids don't care about how fantastic a movie about a cartoon character could be, so how on earth can it truly be "good" in the biggest sense of the word? Was Sonic's movie ever going to hit hard in kids hearts like the Toy Story movie did for the first time? Hell no. Is the Mario movie going to be the best movie ever because Mario is the Disney of gaming? Hell no, his shit is likely going to be boring, brainless fun like all other cartoon movies at best. Ratchet and Clank might have some fantastic visuals, but so does his remastered game. What's the appeal? Back in the 90s/2000s, movies was leaps and bounds ahead in visuals than anything ever created. But now, really any game could emulate the fantasy of visuals in interactive form. So what's the appeal now? Story? No one knows what Sonic is anymore, all of what he was are all nearly irrealant. Sure you could retell something used in his past, but what would it do to make the movie wrothwhile? With the current design of Sonic, either just play the game version/read the comic version of whatever the movie is stealing plots from, or see an infearior version of old content. If it's new content created just for the movie, will it revolutize story telling? Doubt it, so what makes watching this worth it? Cringe factor? Maybe, but we just had other shitshows like the Emoji movie, so why not just watch that? At least the designs isn't eyerape like realistic Sonic. Nothing about this movie was going to be anymore more than "decent" which wouldn't have matter much at that point. I'd rather just have a decent game than a decent movie because all this would do is case more preferences in this completely fractored fanbase to the point it might as well be bad like it is now so people can avoid another thing that isn't Classic/Modern/Adventure/SatAM/Archie/etc. There's just too many fucking differences in Sonic for me to care what this movie could have been with better direction, that falling under "video game movies are always bad" makes me cope better instead of having hope for this movie to begin with. I rather we go back to just ONE identity of Sonic before making movies about yet another Sonic that isn't the one we all grew up with. Mario get's all the fucking luck, and I'm fed up.

>>13645 I agree with a lot of the general points you're making here, but I'd also be a liar if I said that a fully animated 1-hour 30 minute Sonic movie done by Marza wouldn't have interested me. Especially after the great work they've done in Night of the Werehog & Unleashed

>>13646 I'm almost positive that Night of the Werehog was used as the original pitch for the Sonic film.

>Sonic Team now defunct >Boom S3 never >Sonic Movie is like a slow-moving trainwreck >Team Sonic Racing looks mediocre And now IDW is facing critical financial losses. https://icv2.com/articles/news/view/42602/idw-ceo-out-chairman-largest-stockholder-takes-role Red alert. All hands to battle stations.

>>13648 >Sonic Team now defunct Well someone can correct me if I'm wrong but it's actually SEGA CS2 being absorbed into SEGA CS3. IIRC, the Sonic Team studio itself was absorbed into CS2 way back in 2009. That IDW news sounds troubling, tho.

>>13649 Meant to say: Sonic Team, as most people know it, hasn't been a real studio since 2009 after the releases of Unleashed/Black Knight & exists as a brand name these days after getting absorbed into SEGA CS2.

>>13648 >And now IDW is facing critical financial losses. God dammit, last thing we needed. Brace for another hiatus? >The company has been battling losses as it invests in TV programming Now who does this remind me of.

Looks like SEGA is removing Denuvo from Sonic Mania. https://steamcommunity.com/app/584400/discussions/0/1836811737977650742/

>>13652 >SEGA is removing Denuvo from Sonic Mania About damn time. >People in that thread saying they haven't played Mania yet because of Denuvo They couldn't have gotten the console version? Or pirate it?

So there was an AMA for the film on le reddit. I won't link but >Sonic floss dances after [a major car chase scene] and kids ate that shit up.

>>13654 >Sonic floss dances Sounds horrible, but people have been known to lie about that kind of stuff before so I'll wait & see on that one.

>>13654 It's just deprived and fogyish enough to be true. It's the anti-smoking ads all over again…

>>13654 I honestly would be surprise this would actually make it in the movie when this has been a thing for not to long and the movie was worked on for years for this to be added in. But then again, I've already seen quite a few kids cartoons that just started airing around the time flossing happens and it still ended up having it in a episode regardless Internet culture is dead. It's just real life culture now, any tread is global, not just something from one part of the planet. Remember it took quite a while before Smart Phones was forced into cartoons? Now memes hit cartoons near instantly when they are made. I'm tired. I guess I'm just too old for this world now.

>>13656 >>13655 I want to believe it's fake, but his comments seem realistic enough (unfinished CGI, no friends, some product placement, leaked render is altered somewhat, he praises the movie multiple times) and they also line up with some things we know from IMDb, like there being a bar fight. >>13657 Considering flossing became a viral meme in 2017 and filming didn't wrap until October last year, it's perfectly plausible.

>>13652 Finally, god damn. Now the question is should I buy it after this long? >>13653 I haven't played it either. >>13654 It's funny because every new thing we learn about this movie just reaffirms what we previously thought about it being terrible. Like, what the fuck are you doing, at least previously with games they tried to show the good side of things and if people complained they were told some things would be fixed for the release (which every time was bullshit of course, but still), they're not even trying this time. >kids ate that shit up They said the same thing about Boom and here we are.

>>13659 Really? Damn Mania's a pretty awesome game, one of the better Sonic titles to come out in a long while. Go ahead & play it, anon.

>>13659 Well, kids DID love Boom. It's just that CN mistreated it and tossed it on a channel kids don't give a shit about, because it's not TTGO. Ratings were solid otherwise.

http://www.tssznews.com/2019/03/08/the-3-sonic-renders-that-have-leaked-are-not-the-final-designs/ This is like the 3rd design we've seen that was authentic but not final. Can they not just make up their fucking minds? I'm convinced Paramount is in full damage control now.

>>13662 >full damage control >Can they not just make up their fucking minds i'm sure they did, the designs we have right now is just a leftover from when sony was making the movie, the one with James Martin was literally a photoshop by sony.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GlmtPQQo6XA >>13662 Someone on halfchan said those images could be outdated, back when the trailer was show behind close doors and was before the first teaser image officially revealed was shown. People likely had that image on hold because they didn't want to get caught leaking info, but when the website leaked happened they posted it in the mist of the confusion I bet. Basically, I think the real one is pic related, since this is the most cleanest version out of all of them.

>>13664 >Pic related

>>13664 >>13665 No, appearly it's not that one either. Or at least, close to that one. They are saying those leaks are outdated from when SONY was pitching the movie before Paramount took over. So it's like the one with Sonic on the cop car, and thus, outdated. The fact that this could be SONY's take on Sonic, whether or not this is an early design used in the first place, makes me feel even worse for what the design could be by Paramounts…

>>13663 >the one with James Martin the one with Chris Pratt*

wat

>>13668 Naisu. Car customization already makes it one step over transformed.

>>13662 >>13664 So we’re back to the teaser poster. Good lord, we might be getting beady eyes.

>>13662 What a clusterfuck. Supposedly they had confirmed the renders with other Paramount employees or something before they initially posted them so one would assume they knew what they were talking about then, but I guess not. In any case, the different designs are close enough to each other to get a good idea of what they were going for and what the final design is going to look like.

>>13668 Oh hey, nice! Sure would be lovely if SEGA would actually promote the fucking game for once

Have you praised the greatest man in existence, today?

>>13674 Always & forever, the best lad. Eggman game when?

>>13674 Yes, I always remember to tell Snively how great he is and how he doesn't need Eggman.

>>13676 >her balloon is slightly shaped like a heart

>>13678 Meant to quote >>13677

>>13680 I hope he dreams of becoming Silver.

>>13668 Took me a minute to find the customised car. TSR went from a "no" to "maybe I'll get it super cheap down the line just to try it". If the customization turns out to be more advanced, then I'll definitely consider getting it after a small price cut

>>13682 It really is starting to bother me how this game isn't being advertised more. If we knew this sooner, maybe more people would have been interested on it.

>>13681 But that would be a nightmare.

>>13683 >>13682 I'm pretty sure it's not going to be their little take on ModNation Racers. I mean, this is SEGA we're talking about, the kings of underwhelming releases. It's still a big fat NO for me even after everything, unless they go full Online Appeal and include a Track Editor close to the one we had in ModNation Racers… At least that would be the only thing that would get me into the "maybe if it's cheap" bar…

>>13682 Sonics are so cute

In case anyone here cares about Sonic the comic: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x49mYgakD7w

>>13684 Well I didn't have a good night so why should he?

>Snively >great >couldn't get his family's love >lost the game >couldn't protect his girl >couldn't even carry out his master plan once everything reset Snively is nothing but failure after failure. The only accomplishment he ever had was kill-stealing the first Robotnik from Sonic.

>>13689 R-rude >>13687 I've never read a whole lot of STC, but this is pretty nice. Thanks for posting, anon.

>>13686 But which Sonic is the cutest?

>>13691 The blind, pink one

It's high time /sthg/ or /fast/ put aside their differences and stopped being toxic long enough to make a damn fangame. We need to start taking this franchise into our own hands. Hell, let's make SA3. Let's fucking do it.

>>13693 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JvbYzFBMPE8&t=1s

>>13694 That's an engine. And a couple of people have made levels in it, but not actual full games.

>>13695 It's the first step Now it's your turn to make the rest of the game

>>13693 I'd love to do it, but in order for a fangame to be made you'll need a team & someone to organize the entire project together. Do we have anyone willing to take charge for what would be a massive project like this?

>>13697 Here I am, the ideas guy, ready for work

>>13698 Alrighty then: Now, we need a group of people capable of operating under one cohesive vision as well as folks who can create the needed resources for a project of this level. Any of the assorted fan engines out there provides a good blueprint for gameplay but we need modelers, artists, people who can code etc. to help make these ideas reality.

>>13699 I know multiple people who are Sonic fans and are skilled in those areas, except programming and coding. That would undoubtedly be the hardest part.

>>13700 >I know multiple people who are Sonic fans and are skilled in those areas Sweet! >except programming and coding Fuck. Well, there's a ton of Sonic fans who have played around in some of the fan engines created & I'm sure there's folks who've worked on fan projects before that's not hard to get a hold of. This is the biggest hurdle in getting something like this off the ground, but it can possibly be done.

>>13699 I do art. Kinda. How could my autistic ability to draw sonic characters help?

>>13701 We have to try. What would Christian Whitehead do if he were here right now? He'd make a plan and he'd follow through, that's what Christian Whitehead'd do!

>>13702 It would provide a lot of help, actually. Concept art, character art, that's incredibly important in figuring out how we'd want a fangame to turn out. >>13703 Kek

Count me in if anything ever happens then

>>13705 Good to hear, anon. I dunno if anyone's gonna take this anywhere but it could absolutely use all the help it can get.

>>13703 When Christian Whitehead traveled to Sega of America, he revitalized the franchise just by pitching Mania.

https://twitter.com/SPEEPSHighway/status/1104267229951156224 In terms of character models, SA2 or SA1?

I'd love to see something made with the Utopia engine. That's the kind of gameplay I want from a sonic game, momentum based in 3D, less homing attacks and lightdashes.

>>13708 SA, not DX

>>13709 Nobody is going to be able to agree on what they want, which is going to be the biggest issue when it comes to this. Personally I want something more modern and boost-like. I know /sthg/ despises the idea of Sonic having an accelerator (because either they equate that to a run button, even though it isn't, or they are uncomfortable to the idea of movement not being totally controlled with the analog stick, even though Spyro does the same goddamn thing) but I truly think that is the ideal way to be able to control Sonic.

>>13711 Tru dat. I'm just a drawfag tho, wouldn't know how to program either of those. Wouldn't mind helping any of those gameplay directions though

>>13693 Hmm, if for real, how should we start? I think it would just be best to take the most liked and objectively considered best elements of SA1/2/06 and roll with it (no pun intended). Personally, I think as long as the engine used is easy to add shit to it and understandable to use, if we: >Take Sonic's gameplay in SA1/2 as the core gameplay and add to it whenever possible for other characters to feel different >Make the plot a retelling of Season 3 of Sonic X >Remaster Chao Garden with tons more content and features >Online multiplayer mode And most of all, just make it more simple than complex, it should be doable with a decent enough sized team.

Why don't you guys start this off by giving this "idea" a separate thread?

>>13713 As long as we don't add any fan character I guess it could work. By the way, if you want it to be more simple, the plot should be simpler too. I'm not saying sonic 1 simple but, yeah.

>>13708 WOW. What even IS SA2's problem anymore? There's so many fuck ups with the overall look of that game it's boggling my mind so much now. Amy, if you also add in the non crossed eyes of the Battle version, looks really cute and hot. *Cough*, anyways, to answer your question, why not just a mix of both in HD?

>>13714 Sure, why not? If we wanna go anywhere with this thing, it's gonna need a proper platform for it all.

>>13715 >the plot should be simpler too. Yeah, I'd imagine. I think if you just think about Season 3's key points to the story and just abridged it down to their key elements, that should get the job done enough. I'd have to rewatch it again to remember it all though, but I guess it's possible with a little effort.

>>13714 Why? It's Sonic discussion in the Sonic discussion thread. We never get to talk about anything, and we're slow as molasses. >>13713 >Make the plot a retelling of Season 3 of Sonic X >>13715 >>13718 >the plot should be simpler too Wouldn't it make more sense to retell Sonic 06? I mean, that is what SA3 was originally supposed to be and it is a more natural followup on SA2 with another hedgehog and higher stakes. Just maybe nix a bunch of stuff about Elise or Mephiles. Simplify it to where it doesn't lose the stakes, depth or emotion but disregards the unnecessary, pretentious crap. >Take Sonic's gameplay in SA1/2 as the core gameplay and add to it whenever possible for other characters to feel different Believe it or not, I actually appreciate how 06 treats characters other than the main trio and think it's better than what SA1 and SA2 did. Most of the time, characters like Tails or Knuckles are relegated either to their own side-stories and missions unnecessary to complete the game, or very short segments within the trio's levels that lets them be involved but not enough to disrupt the flow or fun you had with the other gameplay.

>>13719 No human main or secondary characters, please. As a background for the world they're fine, but we don't need an Elise 2. And nerf time travel, that's a one way ticket to plot holes.

>>13711 I actually think Sonic Islands had a really good idea of Sonic maintaining his momentum allowing him to achieve Boost-like fast at his top speed. One of the reasons why I've been hyped about that. >>13713 >add to it whenever possible for other characters to feel different This actually brings me to a question: How would you take that SA1/2 Sonic gameplay style & add to it for say, Tails or Knuckles?

>>13720 >but we don't need an Elise 2. I've thought about this stuff for years about how 06 could've been written. Here's what we do: replace Elise with Blaze, and give her an active role (possibly playable) instead of the typical damsel in distress bullshit. Explore more of her royalty status, and even better, use the Flames of Disaster stuff to explain how she gets her powers. >And nerf time travel, that's a one way ticket to plot holes. Do you mean nerf, or nix? Because it definitely needs a nerf with more rules in place to prevent plot holes, and stop them from time-travelling at will. That part is bullshit. But you can't have Silver without time travel, so it should still exist. X-Men: Days of Future Past has a good model for how time travel would work. As in nobody can actually travel between past and future, they just project a version of themselves there and snap back if something pulls them away. The Time Stones would be an interesting way to make this happen. It's what the Archie series did, after all, and it's stupid how the Chaos Emeralds seem to do basically anything the plot requires them to do.

>Wouldn't it make more sense to retell Sonic 06? Eh…Maybe, but unlike the Metarex saga, 06 has a lot of baggage that comes from what that game forced on between Sonic and his "admirer". At least in Sonic X it was straight forward "find the emeralds, but in space" with some romance between Tails and Cosmo but it wasn't as heavily focused on, kinda up until the end. If anything the Metarex Saga is like a Sonic version of Gurren Lagann. But by all means, we could try something else. I just wanted to add in another element tied to the Adventure days is all.

We need a writefag for this

>>13721 This actually brings me to a question: How would you take that SA1/2 Sonic gameplay style & add to it for say, Tails or Knuckles? Well, ideally like in all the other 2D games, make them like Sonic but with unique differences. Yeah I get this could be boring to most people, but Mania Plus' Encode is kinda what I wish Heroes was more like instead of structure having team members being how to progress the level by default instead of to explore locations you couldn't access unless you used the right character for extra goodies or secret routes through the level. In fact I actually think Sonic would do great keeping the Sonic Advance 3 approach to have two characters during play at all times, like Forces kinda did with the OC and Sonic. It was one of the most liked styles of play in Forces iirc to most people too.

>>13723 Sorry >>13719

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HJQ-jO-QtcA Hope you all have a lovely Saturday night!

>>13727 You too, anon!

>>13725 I think, for a 3D game, the standard "Sonic but with a different ability" schtick would not only be boring but difficult to execute. The large and complex levels with like 10 different paths for each character would be overwhelmingly difficult if not impossible to represent in 3D. It'd be more worthwhile to give each character their own gameplay style not unlike what previous SA games did, and give them their own uniquely designed levels. And if you want to have a giant Sonic level with a bunch of different paths that all use different abilities…just give Sonic those abilities. Let him dig with a yellow wisp. Let him fly with a jetpack. Let him smash walls with a souped up spindash. Really, what is the appeal in having every character being able to go through the same stage? That would raise so many questions that don't need to be asked, limit how expansive the level design can be, and what it accomplishes isn't really worth it to be honest. Imagine if Mario Odyssey had Peach be playable and she was required to get some moons. She would break some challenging segments while others might be impossible, because the game was designed entirely around one character and his limitations. Plus it's annoying to have some things locked behind characters you might not enjoy playing as. Donkey Kong 64 does that, and it's excruciating.

>>13729 Well, although you do have some points as to what could go wrong, the difference here wouldn't be to make these different places "Mandatory" because god forbid this isn't already the issue that's been plaguing 3D Sonic since SA1 or anything like that… But what makes the classics/advance/rush/etc work so well with this formula is how each character gives you a personal way to play the game how you want under the "standard" core gameplay. E.g, Smash Bros. Many playable characters with 90% of them having unique moves and different behaviors, all under a similar "rule" of overall gameplay. The problem with DK64 was the MAIN reason collectathon died out as a genre for so long, with one of them simply being on a system with a framerate of 12FPS…. Like with Tootie over Kazooie, these games having so much to do, so much backtracking, just to beat the game, gets very tedious for a lot of people. However, this very same element still exists in some games that has literal world wide appeal, called Minecraft. The trick to making this formula work with more people to make it feel fun, is that the steps to the final goal need to be FUN too, otherwise it feels like a chore, or a job. One of my favorite games as a child, Rayman 2, was like this to me, and why Rayman 3 later on has a sweet spot for me because it's linear by comparison, but shorter. Both can work, but modern games can afford to condense the more open ended game more for convenient sake and still feel fun (see A Hat in Time) Basically, it's not about making Sonic all do these things because it's easier, because it's simply not a factor. Smash has clone fighters with differences only down to character skin (Daisy, Dark Samus, Chrom) and I'll be the first one to pick Daisy over Peach in a heart beat because she's better to me, like some would say about Shadow over Sonic, or Cream over Tails or something. In todays world, there is no bloody way "skin" characters would be hard to make. That's the appeal many games roll with, and Sonic can do the same, it's basically like picking "Sonic but can fly, Sonic but can glide, Sonic but can use Chaos Powers" on the menu screen but given it's own character model for it instead. I mean, if you have to think about it, why would this be hard when the OC in Sonic Forces basically does exactly what I'm asking for? You get one based gameplay style with a different wispon to give yourself a different ability for a different run on a level. All of them gets you to the end of the stage the all the same, but you can do so in different ways via different routes, like in the classic styled games. I remember seeing so many fans wishing it was Tails that used the Wispon instead of some OC because they want the old cast to be playable again, and they are right. Sonic, much like Mario, can work just fine with other characters that play kinda like Mario does, as long as the changes aren't MANDATORY to beat a level, or the overall game, just a way to get you to play the game in a slightly different way. It worked in the past to the point people ask for these elements to come back again, why should it not come back when other series get around the problems to make it still work? Sorry for the long post, I just wanted to explain it although I'm half asleep right now so apologies if I said something confusing. Much better than halfchans text limit desu….

>>13730 >E.g, Smash Bros. Many playable characters with 90% of them having unique moves and different behaviors, all under a similar "rule" of overall gameplay. That's a fighting game. Obviously they're all going to have the same controls and the same type of gameplay. Ask yourself: why is it so rare for 3D platformers to have alternate playable characters? Why did Super Mario 3D World's level design and mechanics take a hit in comparison to Galaxy or other 3D Mario games? There must be a reason. Something MUST be getting sacrificed when implementing alternate characters. >"Sonic but can fly, Sonic but can glide, Sonic but can use Chaos Powers" And why would you use Sonic in comparison to those? Sure you can go faster and maybe it's more rewarding to get good at him as opposed to Tails, but it's defeating the purpose of having challenge in your game if Tails or Knuckles can just fly over everything. In 2D, they will eventually hit a wall, but you don't have that solution in 3D, unless you seriously gimp the level design to accomodate every single one of those abilities, and that's going to limit what you can let Sonic do. Think about it: the reason Sonic 3 and Mania have such great level design for Sonic is because you can only go through those levels as Sonic. So the levels are designed SPECIFICALLY around his strengths and weaknesses. Knuckles has almost entirely different layouts, with only a few instances of even being allowed to go onto Sonic's path. And when he does, it's awkward. There's some jumps he can just barely make. Sure there's Tails, but Tails only exists for two reasons: an easy mode (in a time when difficulty options were uncommon) and cheap co-op (which doesn't work when you can quickly scroll each other off the screen). Having the former be the case would be a very archaic design choice. >Smash has clone fighters with differences only down to character skin (Daisy, Dark Samus, Chrom) and I'll be the first one to pick Daisy over Peach in a heart beat because she's better to me, like some would say about Shadow over Sonic, or Cream over Tails or something. Smash gets away with that because it's fucking Smash. Fighting games that use licensed characters are going to put "rule of cool" over anything else. Getting to play as your favorite characters is half the fun, regardless of anything unique they bring to the table. Soulcalibur II HD has Heihachi Mishima and Spawn, two characters that add far more variety and unique mechanics than Link, but nobody gives a shit about them. The Gamecube version has fucking LINK. Thus, it's the better version. You can't compete with that. 1/2

>>13730 >>13731 >In todays world, there is no bloody way "skin" characters would be hard to make. That's the appeal many games roll with, and Sonic can do the same. The appeal many games roll with today is "cosmetics". Being able to customize your character any way you want with a variety of different outfits. And I support Sonic having that, but not in the form of different characters. I just don't see it as anything other than a waste of resources only a small niche would actually care about. I keep imagining this Sonic game with a bunch of different characters with their own unique campaign, with unique storylines and level designs and mechanics and assets and music and cutscenes and animations and voice clips, and it just seems unrealistic. But if they're just alternate costumes with slightly different gameplay, then it not only seems like a waste, but it also asks questions that don't need to be asked. Let's say we decide to play as Amy in Sonic's campaign, once unlocked. What happens? Are the rules for getting an A rank different because of the different stats or mechanics? Does every character have their own A rank? Do you get something special for getting an A rank with every character? That would be really tedious if so, kinda like getting a gold flagpole with all 5 characters in 3D World. If there's a cutscene midway through or a boss, does the dialogue change? Do the camera angles/framing or animation change in a cutscene to account for different heights? Does the plot take into account these characters being playable at all? There would be a pretty weird disconnect if Sonic and Tails were in a cutscene, but when the boss starts you're playing as Amy. What happens if the character you're playing as is also an NPC? Does the NPC change to someone else or will it be a clone? Does the dialogue change when you talk to them? Would the game's difficulty be tied to these characters? Do you have to rescue Amy first, do you just talk to her and she joins your journey, or is she unlocked completely outside the story? What would this mean for Team Rose? Would it just not exist? What if Amy had her own campaign? Or is she just in modes outside the story? Wouldn't EVERY player need a good reason for wanting to play as Amy as opposed to Sonic, or vice-versa? Would there be a section in a level that encourages you to use Amy, making you sorry you picked Sonic in the first place? How would she be balanced for multiplayer, or online leaderboards? Could she be available in co-op? Could she follow Sonic like Tails? Or would Tails follow her? If there's co-op, does she have an ability she can use with Sonic like how Tails carries Sonic in the air? That would kill any idea for a boss like Marble Garden's where Tails carries him, unless he just shows up out of nowhere like when playing as Sonic alone, which would still require its own animations. These are not things you want to deal with when you're under a deadline, and you have a budget, and you have a team that may not feel like putting all of this shit in. And that's something I think many fangame idea guys struggle with: the concept of limits. 2/2

>And why would you use Sonic in comparison to those? Sonic's Drop Dash and Insta Shield + Elemental shields. Those are near perfect counters to any argument for using Sonic.

>>13733 Meant to link >>13731. I don't agree to both of the two of you all the way, but just wanted to point that out.

>>13733 That's nice, but does it beat being able to fly over everything and potentially getting an easy A rank? I don't think so.

https://twitter.com/tssznews/status/1104629430788517888?s=19 STRAP IN, BOYS IT'S GONNA BE ONE HELL OF A RIDE

>>13735 If you're a causla scub or just bad at games I guess? I mean even SMW did this and people liked it there too. But longterm Mario fans claim SMB3 is better because of the challenge, So basically playing Tails just means you're a causal, and for the most part, that's Tails point in the first place. He's the little brother player for Sonic.

>>13736 I'd be surprised to see a new competitor enter the market, but whatever. I don't mind if SEGA takes part, but I would only hope there's no exclusivity.

>>13694 Can somebody fork it on GitHub or something?

>>13739 Like what, post it on GitHub?

>>13740 ¯\_(ツ)_/¯ It can be GitLab, or ModDB, as long as it's easily accessible.

>>13741 Uhhh, I suppose that can be done.

>>13742 I'm just saying, a MEGA link is not enough for something as sophisticated as this…

>>13742 Then again, there's a chance it might be Taken Down for Copyright on Git sites, maybe GameJolt as well for good measure…

You know what just got into my head? Does any of these fan engines have a Cutscene Maker?

>>13744 Cutscene Maker? Not in the Sonic engines, but I imagine something can be done with those & the cutscene creator stuff that exists.

Sooo… how's that fangame coming along?

>>13745 >>13746 SFM would be the easiest thing to do, but that would mean scenes are pre-rendered.

>>13736 I have a bad feeling about this if true.

>>13736 DOES THIS MEAN DREAMCAST 2: GOOGLE

>>13748 >but that would mean scenes are pre-rendered I suppose that's a reasonable compromise, if it's the only way it can get done.

>>13745 What about something more simple, like what the ds games have

>>13751 Well, it would also mean scenes could potentially look less pretty than in-game visuals since the Source engine is much less powerful than Unreal Engine 4 or Unity, even with the high-poly textures and models SFM allows.

>>13753 Hmm. Shit, you're right. Would something like >>13752 be a bit more feasible in that case?

>>13745 What about 2d animation

>>13755 What, like the stuff from Sonic CD or Mania?

>>13754 Feasible, but quite cheap. Even the DS games had 3D cutscenes here and there. >>13755 That would be ungodly expensive, with an odd disconnect between cutscenes and gameplay. SFM could potentially still work depending on how stylized the game is, or we could figure out how 3D cutscenes in Unity/UE4 work.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Paf1FCcFyEA This may be an useless small stage thingy, but I think it looks nice and is worth sharing.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e7Jqvh3PO6E

>>13757 Is there any way to make 3D cutscenes in those engines work well for fangame projects? >>13758 Looks beautiful

>>13758 >Didn't think much of it other than it looked pretty with the Unreal lighting engine >Then it revealed it was ported into the Infinite Engine …If only the fucker got the 360 loop physics finished before quiting the project, I would be feeling more hyped than pain…

>>13758 I love the little expressions of Sonic.

>>13691 The broody spinehog of course.

>>13691 The one of the metal variety.

>>13691 The mentally deranged one

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GdKu0uxNJMY

>>13767 Nice graphics, neat engine, awful level

>>13769 That's the thing with a lot of fan levels I see. The actual level design is horrible.

>>13770 Welp, it sure is more than what I can do for sure. I still can't get my head around unity.

>>13771 Have you tried Unreal? THanks to AHiT, I was quite able to learn how to tinker with Inifity better than Bumper Engine. >>13769 >>13770 The problem comes from the fact it's like a remixing of a stage port from another game. Infinity isn't a hard rip of Boost gameplay from previous games, it's entirely made from the ground up with a lot of changes to it that level design needs to be adapted for. People need to realize level design is pointless with shitty controls, but great controls is useless without compatible level design.

>>13772 Never tried unreal, though I'm not sure my cardboard box of a computer could handle it properly

>>13774 Yeah, I think you'd need a real powerful PC for Unreal

https://noclip.website/ This is a neat website, it has Sonic Mania's 3D models and you can take a look at them.

https://twitter.com/ComicBookNOW/status/1104835018185195523 >>13778 Nice!

>>13779 https://twitter.com/tssznews/status/1105143561245413376 Fake news. God I hope it's fake news.

>>13778 Neat. Even when it's low poly, I love how the models of the characters running has this wiggling effect going on with them.

>>13779 >>13780 What if the movie doesn't actually exist and it's just the Spongebob Lost Episode for 90 minutes?

>>13782 Actually I would prefer that, yeah

>>13782 Of course it exists, after all, we're all destined to suffer.

>>13780 >>13779 Everything regarding this movie is so bizarre

>>13778 The Monarch Robot one when you see it all at once, makes it look like the Eggman Robot from 3K but repurposed into looking like the Heavy King, which seems to hint back when the story was originally about the Heavies taking control over the Eggman Empire.

>>13786 Was the phantom ruby tie-in-to-forces thing a last minute change?

>>13787 I find it hard to tell. The fact the titanic monarch doesn't actually do anything suggests yes, but then there's the fact that the whole plot seems to hinge around the ruby, and that the final boss theme has elements of Fist Bump in it.

>>13787 >>13788 It was mostly last minute enough to be likely done during Forces development. Enough time to add it to the game, but not enough to make it clearly thought though. The inconsistencies on how the PR work next to Forces' take on it, plus how Encore and Adventures worked with it, makes it questionable.

>>13797 Woah, nice

>>13797 That is quite mesmerizing to look at.

I just had a thought. In Sonic Forces, they should have named the first level Emerald Hill, and I don't understand why they didn't. Chemical Plant, Metropolis, and the Death Egg are in the game, so Emerald Hill Zone would have fit in perfectly. Just say the game takes place on Westside Island.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pxnqppg35Ls Reminder, we can make a difference. Even if we, as an individual, make not have the skills to make a game via programing, artsy skills, music, etc. Go find examples out there and let SEGA know about them. Let SEGA hear the fans want to help make Sonic great again.

>>13801 Sega doesn't care about continuity or canon anymore.