>>10549 >MASA admits UAPs/UFOs are real Yeah it's called "thing we can't identify in the sky." Ducks have been labeled UFOs rather frequently. >Provides actual examples That look like the silhouettes of military aviation. >Wants to kick-start development on free open-source phone apps to record UFO activity on all smartphones It's a spy app thinly disguised as a UFO app. >all in order to get good models for machine learning ai to find fuckton more UFO's from old satellite data/footage So they can figure out what military aviation vehicles are in the backgrounds of their old satellite data/footage >/xk/... not even crickets UFOs aren't real. They are real in the literal "here is a thing and we don't know what it is" sense, but it's all a bunch of cockaninny bullshit in the ayylien sense. Have some boobs and aliens to distract your PopSci ass.

>>10553 From the white paper: >Before we can apply the scientific method to understanding an unusual phenomenon, the relevant data must first meet standards for data-driven approaches. Many such standards have been codified over time, including the FAIR data principle—an acronym for Findability, Accessibility, Interoperability, and Reusability >We followed these and other similar principles when reviewing the current status of data on UAP, and that analysis led to the findings and recommendations in this report. >UAP data are rarely, if ever, collected in a concerted effort to understand the phenomenon; they are usually coincidental observations. Often, observations of UAP are made using instruments or sensors that have not been designed or calibrated to detect anomalous objects, and to constrain their movement parameters. Metadata (meaning sensor type, manufacturer, noise characteristics, time of acquisition, instrument sensitivity, information about the data storage such as bit-depth, location of the sensor, conditions of the sensor such as temperature, exposure characteristics, and so on) are often absent, making calibration and a thorough understanding of context difficult. So, there is correspondingly limited information associated with many of the unresolved UAP reports—even if several reports are accompanied by photographic or videographic evidence. >As a result, existing observations are neither optimized for studying UAP nor are they suited for a systematic scientific analysis. >In addition, much of the data collected by military sensors or intelligence satellites are classified—often because of what the imagery could reveal about U.S. technical capabilities to our adversaries, and not because of what is actually in the images. While essential for security, these classified observations enhance the sense of mystery and conspiracy surrounding UAP, and they present an obstacle to scientific inquiry. >For many events, the data and metadata did not enable a conclusive characterization of the size, motion, or nature of the UAP. Yet, where it did, such as in the “GoFast” UAP video, the apparent anomalous behavior of the UAP can often be explained by the motion of the sensor platform tl;dr- NASA equipment is designed to eliminate anomalies as irrelevant data, so they are left unable to prove or disprove whatever the hell UAPs are in any given scenario. Military hardware is an open secret so the military can't disclose the nature of images to protect their hardware rather than out of some cover-up about the contents of any given image or video. In response they're hiring a guy to develop some algorithms to decode some of this bullshit so they can tell you "yes that is a flock of ducks" rather than "we're pretty sure it's a flock of ducks, but we can't confirm it therefore UAP." I'm sure this has nothing at all to do with the fact that the US has a propaganda department dedicated to making the Russians think we have advanced ayylien technology, and I'm sure NASA totally isn't just going to use this data to trick dumb shits in foreign countries into handing over information about foreign spy planes to the USA under the guise of "UFOs."

>>10554 >but it's all a bunch of cockaninny bullshit in the ayylien sense Some form of non-human intelligence being involved is a logical conclusion to come to given the nature of many of the sightings. The technology involved goes well beyond anything currently known. When the Washington, D.C. incident happened in 1952, the feds were spooked because they had no idea what could be behind it. And if the glowniggers are faking the phenomenon as a whole, then it would have to be the biggest conspiracy in history.

>>10556 >Some form of non-human intelligence being involved is a logical conclusion to come to given the nature of many of the sightings. Of the sightings I've seen, the logical conclusion is "someone fucking with the camera with a 15 degree angle," ducks/geese, or something that is completely human in design. The Earth has plenty of natural structures that seem like they should have been made by something. People want to see ayyliens in everything for the same reason they want to see god in everything, and we have more documented evidence for the existence of god than we do for ayyliens. The Yonaguni monument is certainly non-human, but there's no "intelligence" behind it; it's a natural structure.

>>10549 >NASA anything I will be keeping my popcorn dear sir, Grusch is the final nail for me in terms of whistleblowing because the guy didn't provide anything at all but noise and facts most old school yufoo enthusiasts knew since the 90's. I am infinitely more inclined to believe shit released in the public via obscure VHS targeted at Trekkies, like the actual ORCON-tagged, Navy-revealing video of either a highly advanced animatronic made by some amateurs not even Hollywood could pull back in the day or an actual physical entity being enclosed in a dark room. >>10556 >if the glowniggers are faking the phenomenon, then it would have to be the biggest conspiracy in history. I mean we are in an era where the Holocaust narrative has been successfully pulled and changed the western political world as we know it, anything goes at this point. Also WWII was an exponential leap forward in some stuff, namely the nuclear bomb/nuclear energy so an anti-gravity/friction-cancelling form of shielding and propulsion can be thought as plausible, going more outlandish like some US scientists cultured in the esoteric suggested in that one memo it might also be one of the factions in the war being able to communicate with other entities in a different dimension, or like they punctually said "the Talas & Lokas dimensions" referenced in the Pajeet Epics, and "them" coming around to check us out with a physical form compatible here... aka a long-winded way to say "inter-dimensional" I now remember a post i tried to write a while ago about a coincidence i found puzzling between 2 sightings/controversies that i found very odd that seemingly nobody pointed out in the mainstream web, i always feel those old school yufoo guys went silent way too abruptly because there's tons of info and ideas i no longer see in the web since a decade ago.

>>10558 >we live in the era where the Holocaust narrative Yeah, but that was 90% because the narrative itself was started by the paranoid jews in the camps themselves, which was why there was such uniformity with the jews persisting the lie, most of them truly believed it. I realized this a long time ago watching schindler's list for the first time with the scene with the jews in the cars talking about how they might kill them all and saying "it would never happen" as a consensus, despite irl experience in jew neurotic paranoia telling me the exact opposite would happen. And it did, all the mass graves, the gas rooms, the swimming pools of death, the crazy bullshit they all talked about, for them it was all real but they were all just the lucky ones. That's why most people can't wrap their heads around the holocaust being fake, because how could they fake all that? Its because initially it wasn't, a golden opportunity arose from fear and paranoia making it real in their minds, letting powerful jews use it to manhandle the US and especially the USSR to take the narrative to 6 million in order to over-fund Israel and give the jews more victim power than any cries of anti-semitism before could ever imagine. That is miles away from faking an entire host of unexplained phenomenon reported by thousands of experienced members of every branch of life from politics to aviation to scientists, even weather balloon technicians. Not to mention the mass events like the phoenix lights or the Washington DC event. The technology gap needed, and the funding and competency needed to keep such a project alive and secret, with shit like the CIA's track record in comparison is just comical. It might not be aliens, but some kind of unknown phenomenon is out there and its not the government. >I remember a post I tried to write a while ago about a coincidence I found puzzling between 2 sightings/controversies Can you rehash the post? I'm interested in what you were talking about. >I always feel those old school yufoo guys went silent way too abruptly Me too, you'd think they would have a hell of a time today with NASA trying to work with people like them in open-source programs in order to identify this stuff. But honestly it was probably the rise of easy cgi making extremely believable and mass produced fakes that clogged up the whole hobby with kids looking for attention rather than real investigation into what was going on. I hope recent events start bringing some of those old guys back into the fray.

>UFOs aren't real Ok, here we go >That look like the silhouettes of military aviation Hmm, what military aviation could pic related be then? Some secret iranian retro-50's drone? >so they can figure out what military aviation vehicles are in the background of their old satellite data/footage What?! How are they not doing that already with massive amounts of data for top-tier modelling of any enemy aircraft? They already have the keys to finding any actively know aircraft in older footage, why need so much new data on something so totally different from military aircraft? >It's a spy app thinly disguised as a UFO app But why? Why would nasa spent so much time and money in doing the job NSA is doing, with OPEN-SOURCE APPS. Its just idiotic, you'd have to short through 99.999% garbage data just to maybe find some super secret chinese/russian aircraft with no assistance by ai since they would have no idea what to look for. I mean honestly the only reason for the government to release a UFO spy app would be if their own aircraft sensor ability was so outdated and terrible any old spy craft could get through its defenses, like some kind of spy balloon.. and its military aviation industry was so corrupt and inefficient they couldn't afford to fund the massive upgrades in a realistic timeframe, or guarantee said upgrades to actually work... so they would try hyping up ufo stuff in the media as much as possible to make people look in the sky for stuff to record with their app as a duct-tape cost effective short-term solution... while masquerading it as ufo spotting to not completely destroy their reputation.... -_- ok il give you this one

>>10559 >That is miles away from faking an entire host of unexplained phenomenon reported by thousands of experienced members of every branch of life from politics to aviation to scientists, even weather balloon technicians. I think religion offers better explanations for phenomena than aliens, which were invented by the USSR to combat Christianity.

Forgot to tag >>10554 in >>10560

>>10560 >Ok, here we go >Pic Yeah I saw that and was unimpressed since it could be as simple as a graphical error. In the interest of being fair I looked up the original video and because the military hid information such as altitude and view distanc, there's nothing to really say since the video is from a reaper drone with a tiny optical radius. It could be a drone out-of-focus because of distance or really just about anything. That's why it's "unidentified." These are the same surveillance drones that are infamous for picking up ducks over bodies of water as "strange hovering vehicles." >How are they not doing that already with massive amounts of data for top-tier modelling of any enemy aircraft? You would be amazed at the inefficiency of the government when it comes to research. If it's not in-line with exactly what they want, the research gets canned even if it could prove useful. There is a reason the government is simultaneously incompetent and overly competent- they can direct funding really well to get next-gen results, but they get tunnel vision very easily. >They already have the keys to finding any actively know aircraft in older footage [Citation needed] >But why? Why would nasa spent so much time and money in doing the job NSA is doing, MASA spends more time tracking weather balloons than they do doing their jobs. Hate to break it to you, but they haven't been the space organization you want them to be since the 90s, arguably the 70s. >with OPEN-SOURCE APPS. Open-source means many different things. You can have an "open source" app that passes through a black-box server to function. You can have proprietary forks of open source baseline software. Without looking at the process from start-to-finish something being open-source is as meaningless of a statement as something being "100% pure X." >I mean honestly the only reason for the government to release a UFO spy app would be- Because crowdsourcing has been proven very effective and there's enough UFO conspiracy nutjobs out there watching the night skies anyways that you might as well put them to work for free if they are willing to do the work. Same reason botnets can be more effective than supercomputers when you just need to run long complex calculations. You are correct that military tech is outdated though. The best analogy I've found is that the military have a sports car's engine but it's from 30 years ago. It's still impressive, but most economy engines (other country's militaries) can keep up with it and do the day-to-day highway jobs (conquer a country) so it's not as impressive as it could be.

>>10559 >Can you rehash the post? It was quite the long-winded post and right now i am in a hassle but i won't waste your time in suspense, the spoiler was that it seems the notorious spaniard and french conversations regarding penfriend aliens in the 60's are explicitly connected to the Voronezh Incident in 1989 and its forgotten sequel in Ayaguz, Kazakh SSR a week later IIRC via the very often ignored (in the west) detail regarding the emblem in both the vehicle and its occupants' skins. Back in the 60's the whole thing with the Ummo Society was seen as obscure, a bunch of intellectuals saying they were receiving puzzling mails sealed with a particular logo, yet out of nowhere 20 years later in a Soviet city a couple dozen witnesses report the same emblem in a thing carrying 3 things that did a forced magic show on a couple of kids in front of a scared crowd. And oh shit, found a notepad file with the old ideas and pictures so might as well try to recreate it, but if i don't come back after being entertained with something else at least you know the gist of it. >That is miles away from faking an entire host of unexplained phenomenon After all a bunch of the glowfags do believe they are working with "something else above" due to heavy compartmentalization and psyops carried on themselves, they do believe the lie. Also not saying it's not real, i do heavily believe people saw and still see strange shit in the sky and innawoods but i don't know what it is, i've read and heard so many stories, theories and the "coincidences" that i don't know what to believe in terms of an all-encompassing goal, i just end up believing there's certain ideas around because they are around, then i believe some of them, very few, are real and then i very rarely believe some of them are due to "something" like a complex theory or a misunderstanding. Basically the best way to see it IMO is to spectate, get most of the info possible and just let it hang in there until something makes sense with all the info rather than some amateurs trying to headcanon an entire plan and narrative without even knowing all the facts and events regarding the phenomenon, but of course playing with ideas is always fun. That's why i dislike Gruschfags (not you or that one anon at all that post him, you/him/they are informing us of some events related and it's appreciated), the other fags are trying to do a Q 2.0 with shit we already knew while ignoring the other famous cases that are as relevant, it feels like a streamlined integral theory in implied form for boomers and the uninitiated. I like to believe but after much surface-level reads over the years i feel it's almost everything a scam yet there's few cases that are extremely puzzling due to evidence and those justify the entire thing. >Not to mention the mass events like the phoenix lights That is a classic example of misdirection against the masses, i knew and talked with three direct "witnesses" (one didn't see but heard the radio chatter) of that and they told me the well-known story is a scam, the real heavy shit was in the sunset when a massively giant shit flew slowly from Nevada and continued south, the lights hovering at the center of the urban area at night was something that happened later and was quite small in scale with the previous thing that made everyone shit their pants. >competency needed to keep such a project alive and secret I mean there were supposed whistleblowers out there but their tales are too tall to wrap our collective heads around it, let alone that if they were real they were known for falling into the psyop trap via bioluminescent informers and gangstalking. I want to remember the names of some but i rather write that Ummo thing, i only remember Lazar and i am wary of him, i do not like his demeanor nor his flipflopping info over the years. Also we might as well play with the idea of a group so specialized in those secret government works that they might be considered a small breakaway social group isolated from the world and who carry their own tech ways underground while supplied with things via black project money. Scribe monks in both Charlemagne and Vatican eras practically did that despite having their initial years of being normal civilians, a bunch of scientists working in secret tech shit with practically unlimited funds while "forced" to get offspring who are then trained to be scientists working on high tech shit is far-fetched but technically very possible; we still haven't talked about aliens but humans living in cult-like conditions with their doctrine being pushing their knowledge forward, the only problem with this playful theory is the idea of their own free time and entertainment, what could they teach them to get them stay in those conditions? even elite Aum Shinrikyo enforcers liked their video games and pachinko and surely someone will want to explore "outside". >I hope recent events start bringing some of those old guys back into the fray. I think that kind of fellow is very jaded towards the whole thing by now, i was too at some point and wasn't even one of them as i started casually checking about this since the early 00's.

>>10561 >aliens, which were invented by the pulp novel writers to combat protagonists and sometimes each other. *ftfy.

>>10565 The entire "theory" of mankind having an interaction with aliens that caused us to evolve 10,000 years ago was a propaganda piece created by Stalin and shoveled through the Soviet education system as "common knowledge" to erase creationism and weaken the church of Jesus Christ in the USSR, and had little (if anything) to do with SciFi writers of the 1910s-1940s, ftfy.

>>10549 Do you mean kick-start in the generic sense or are they actually using Kickstarter? >Hey fellow sci-fi fans, we're going to find aliens like in Star Trek! But we need your help to do it. You can support us on our Kickstarter page. Remember, only you can help us reach the final frontier. May the force be with you!

>>10561 >aliens, which were invented by the USSR to combat Christianity. lolwut The concept of aliens comes from long before the Soviets, even if you're sticking to a strictly extraterrestrial interpretation. Joseph Smith was said to believe in Quaker-like people living on the moon, and the Great Moon Hoax means that people were already considering the idea of extraterrestrial life. Giordano Bruno considered the idea of other planets harboring life hundreds of years earlier. The concept of cosmic pluralism goes all the way back to the Greeks, although they didn't have modern astronomical knowledge. And then, of course, there's all the folklore about fairies and the djinn and all that other stuff.

I came at a ghost once. It hit her in the eye and she screamed before running away so I guess my semen is holy. Then the cops showed up and I had to scram, but I'm sure those two things are unrelated.

Groosch just did some "expouse"-ing on Cucker Tarlson's show: https://twitter.com/TuckerCarlson/status/1735083523050975277

Cucker said that he's afraid of what the UFO phenomenon might entail judging from some of the stories he's heard from people. I wonder if the talk about the government being complicit in what he's talking about means he's referring to the rumors of a government treaty with aliens that allows them to abduct humans for potentially nefarious purposes. I'd rather that be true than the stuff about the reptilians harvesting people's souls or feeding off their energy or whatever. Not really related, but I thought this was interesting too: >Furthermore, reliable intelligence and defense sources have told Liberation Times that some of the alleged crashed non-human craft were caused by “dogfights” with other unknown craft. https://www.liberationtimes.com/home/us-senators-express-frustration-over-weakened-ufo-disclosure-language I'd like to know what those "reliable intelligence and defense sources" are, but this rabbit hole gets deeper and deeper. If this is true, does it support the claims of Haim Eshed? He claimed there was a galactic federation and that humans were kept out because they don't have their act together.

>>10571 He talked about it more on prime time alex stein this evening

>>10571 The UFO shit is fucking retarded.

>>10573 Do you mean UFO stuf in general or just this thing recently where normalfag media is talking about it?

>>10572 Thanks, I'll take a look. >>10573 There's clearly a core of truth at the center of the phenomenon. It's just an uphill battle trying to sort through all the misinformation and outright disinformation and lies to get a fuller picture. There are not only tons of grifters and overly credulous people among UFO enthusiasts and the government going full SHUT IT DOWN to contend with, but you also have government scumbags like Richard Doty spreading falsehoods to poison the well.

>>10575 Not to mention that there are people, like Betty Hill, who seem to have had a genuine experience but then go off the deep end and think that every light in the sky is aliums. What do you think about her star map btw?

>>10576 I actually don't know that much about that case. I've known about it since I was a kid but never looked into the details. I read a few Jacques Vallee books but only started diving deeper into these things when I learned about Mark McCandlish's allegations about "alien reproduction vehicles" right before Grusch stepped forward. I've also been reading Kevin Randle's blog. He's more level-headed than most writers on the topic and calls out things he thinks are bullshit, like the supposed Aztec crash and the reputation-tarnishing Trinity nonsense Jacques Vallee started pushing in recent years. He's even gone back and forth on what actually happened at Roswell, when that was the case he essentially built his UFO book career on. I did recently read that Betty Hill got booed at a UFO convention she went to in the '80s and some writer went for a walk with her and she cried wolf about lights they saw on the ground being landed UFOs. That definitely damages her credibility. The little I've read of the star map does seem to lend her some though. I know Obongo is working on a show about Betty and Barney Hill, not that I'll watch it.

https://yewtu.be/watch?v=9eG7dppzbek A 'non stumbled upon an interesting channel. Apparently many of the hauntings are caused by a radio system that can be used either for observing people's location or transmitting voices. Hopefully he will give you a better write up.

>>10453 Fast tank beats all supernatural threats.

>>10579 >40km/h >fast

>>10580 Just fast enough to run over the fastest nigger. Anything more is redundant.

>>10581 Molest shrubs.

>>10582 >Molest shrubs. In Africa shrubs molest you!

>>10576 I finally found my pic of her star map. Not her original one but one based on it.

>>10584 Pic didn't post.

>>10576 She's a coalburner, her account is completely unreliable.

I prefer werewolves

>>10583 Reminds me of shub nigga roth or whatever that Lovecraft version of a wendigo is called.

Hahahaha I saw you post what I posted in trash anon lol I know what you are