>>10288 Seems that raging homos don't want to go die for Israel. Color me surprised.

>>10236 >Those are only the greats we know about because of early cultures and later Christians preserving their works. Most of the Greek Greats were forgotten because their works were not preserved. We're rediscovering them to this day, primarily in Hebraic script because the Hebrews were the only ones who preserved their works. >Because of Christian Irish monks who archived their shit back in the 700s. Roman technology and philosophy/literature would have been almost entirely lost if not for the Irish. So what? The Mudslimes preserved ancient Greek works too. That doesn't mean the Greeks don't deserve credit for what they did. Their works were preserved because they were considered important. Scholasticism was all about trying to harmonize the ideas of philosophers like Aristotle with Christian theology, so clearly they valued the ancient pagan Greeks. >They are derived from God's demands. Like what? >Most of the foundations of Western philosophy derive from Exodus and Deuteronomy outside of the Hellenistic schools of thought That's a massive exception considering that the roots of Western thought ultimately go back to the Greeks. And if Russell Gmirkin's work has validity, even the Old Testament is Hellenistically influenced. >>10248 >Quite the opposite in fact. Show me any clearly prophetic passage regarding the coming Messiah in the Old Testament scriptures, and I'll show you fulfillment of that prophesy in the life of the incarnate Messiah Himself, Jesus Christ, in the New Testament scriptures. Jeremiah 33:14-18, Micah 4:1-4, and Isaiah 2 and 11:9 are ones that are used to support the idea of a messiah. I don’t really know how much of this was written with the later idea of a messiah in mind and how much was later prooftexting from people reading into passages like these what they want regardless of the context of the passage. Christians are really guilty of this (like with the suffering servant in Isaiah), but the kikes seem to do it too. Either way, it seems evident that people had a great earthly king descended from David in mind and not an obscure backwoods preacher who was killed by the authorities. And if Mark 7:14-19 means what it’s usually taken to mean, the writer makes it seem like he didn’t even care about a basic parts of Jewish law like keeping kosher. >Apart from the (many) other evidences for the Son of God, that alone is sufficient evidence for His life & divinity. Why believe the Bible is an accurate record of events that actually happened? >>10253 Their chutzpah knows no bounds. >>10279 The Gospels are tools of proselytization, not works of history. Pic related is from the taken from the fourth edition of the Oxford Annotated Bible. The Old Testament seems to also be largely ahistorical. Even actual histories written at that time aren't what we'd consider reliable today. >>57458 The pickings are very slim when it comes to first-century sources, and whether or not there was some guy named Yeshua who people based stories on doesn't mean he was walking on water or bringing back the dead. The assertion that there's more evidence for a magic rabbi in a backwater section of the Roman Empire in the 1st century than events that had actual eyewitness accounts written down is laughable. There’s very little we can be confident about regarding a historical Jesus. I hate to post anything from this slimy prick’s channel, but this is a good video on the topic: https://inv.tux.pizza/watch?v=SILsNiqZEY8 >>10285 I know the Noahides use it. I can't tell what's going on with that flag though.

>>10279 >both bibles are historical accounts, not just books of faith. >>57458 All those sources prove is that some story caught on and was repeated by some people decades and centuries later. Again story of Jesus is a rehash the same old themes seen centuries and even millennia before "year 0". >Alexamenos Graffito Donkey on a stick?? Really?? Memeticus dankius maximus roughly translates from latin as "ancient shitpost", I would think a fellow imageboard scholar should recognize it for what it is.

>>10291 >All those sources prove is that some story caught on and was repeated by some people decades and centuries later Like the majority of ancient history as we understand it today. Nigger.

>>10291 I'd tell you to see >>10292 but clearly you're also a VPN user.

>>10292 >Like the majority of ancient history as we understand it today. Right, and the rational conclusion is to accept that there are fundamental limits to what we can know about the past rather than making up shit about sky faeries and immaculate conception.

>>10294 Nigger.

>>10295 Solid argument, glownigger.

Now that they've given the SHUT IT DOWN to the goyim media/Internet access, the full-blown genocide by the Israeli murders seems to have begun during the last few hours. I assume the US is assisting/standing by holding the cloaks.

>>10285 >>10286 Not interested in debating you on the topic, but are you jew new here? Tel Aviv is literally the gayest city on the planet; the modern Sodom & Gomorrah. There are many reasons the fake jews in Palestine are reviled by moslems around the world. This character of their nature is considered one of their most egregious.

>>10300 >>10298 >>10284 Who's going to make the new thread? Il make a low effort one tomorrow if no one else is stepping up.

>>10301 Could you please make sure to briefly go over what has happened so far in the war? Like mention the chimp outs in culturally diverse cities and the hospital airstrike.

>>10238 >Did you mean "tautology"? I meant that i am a dumbass, yeah i confused the two you are correct >>10243 >suggested a different target, which was then vetoed externally. How is that against the argument? the vetoing was done without considering the military objectives but the cultural/symbolical ones as some people, namely Stimson, named in Kyoto but didn't mind dusting Nagasaki although purportedly according to sources it was replaced by said city despite being "the backup" of another. >That was not the same committee References, at least from the U.S. Department of Energy, do use "Scientific Advisors" in all committees without referencing who are they each time, same with Military Advisors. The way it is written implies they are the same so perhaps a mistake was made in their papers. There were other arguments going around but without explicit sources so i guess we are being led to believe something or it's the case of not posting sources because "books are meant to be written so no references will be given"-kind of writers. >You can certainly argue whether or not killing a hundred thousand Nips was a worthwhile trade-off to make sure Japan ended up firmly in the US sphere What is true is that it did work, Japan was/is squarely in U.S. hands but i highly doubt the second bomb was necessary, even before the Soviet Blitzkrieg into China their own committees were already heavily divided about going on as America had already demolished a ton of their infrastructure and were still planning an obvious raid on the mainland around Fall season. Even when justifying the first bombing it seems the second one was a hard sell in all aspects. >knowing that it alone might be capable of effortlessly destroying No doubt but i am still vexxed about their final target election as it seems counter intuitive >but of what they could actually see Which is another factor i get doubts, i understand bad weather screwing the flight plan due to maneuverability reasons but if we are led to believe in the official footage from the second bombing despite the weather being indeed cloudy we cannot see it being bad enough for them to not see, and to be fair americans were pretty ace at getting particular places bombed at night while being peppered with AA munition without carpet bombing the whole thing, perhaps i need more knowledge to recognize both are different kind of operations or that bad weather also implies very strong winds in the upper 20k altitudes but Nagasaki also had previous reconnaissance flights over it and this coupled with there being no cumulonimbus tower clouds formations around the footage but a bunch of small time clouds with some Alto cumulus and Alto stratus shit around makes me believe the pilots were either extremely reserved to not drop it in an empty-ish pad of land but lax enough to drop it wildly off target because it's a big bomb radius anyway which doesn't seem convincing to me due to the church being outside the valley formation center aka near the empty patches. I am not trained to be a bomber so perhaps this comes as pedestrian and naive for a real bomber operator using a magnifying lens under the plane with some maps beside him to quickly identify something. >there hasn't been any more substance than "the cities they bombed had a Christian minority so that Christian minority must have been the target" My argument is that the two cities bombed were the two only major christian centers in Japan, one zero being specifically a neighborhood that had biggest concentration of them in the entire country, and that the election for these had questionable factors as others had more military relevance or deeper symbolic value (for the japanese). The evidence and argument against show no particular explicit reason for the invalidation of other targets in the planning stages and that one drop was a circumstantial backup thing with notable coincidences happening when having to drop the thing in the city. Too many coincidences and a couple of voids in the reasoning makes me highly doubtful, this with jews being around the advisors and them having shown malicious plans against civilians along with their well-read knowledge to not know what the targets meant and full explicit intent of a psychological bombing operation against the country's morale, which is frankly a fancy way of saying terrorism, all makes for a soup hard to digest with reasonable doubt for me for a merely military op and without bias against just bombing a normal random jap chunk of land with important depots on it. The factors are there and they as circumstantial as the U.S. having dropped syphilis into nigger populations but only because they were conveniently there and not because they were niggers and nobody would've cared very few care to this day to be fair >None of the debate about what would cause Japan to surrender >What the psychological effect on the Japanese people would be Sure as hell they would've resented Kyoto being bombed way more than Nagasaki and with tons of bureaucratic leaders being scared to death to boot, that's for sure. >Come the fuck on. I am not that crazy, meant to say some elements here are using it for no reason but for disrupting. It's all drawings and highly stylized enough to not be photorealistic. >>10273 >you'd never even think they could be related to the kind of trailer trash they are today Well said, american injuns have every single tool at their disposal to not be trash with plenty more assets to advance faster yet they are trashy because part of their macro culture already is having most essential things handed to them as birth right and many of them do not know the value of working to survive ironically or the value of working itself to begin with, they are an indolent people in general and those who want to try hard are left mostly alone in their efforts, and many who succeed end up being very jaded to the point even our local mexican injuns like the Hiaki consider them hard asses for not sharing anything despite organizing events for cultural sharing, like the interinjunal powwows. >>10278 >Not that I've seen. There's plenty but that's even more off-topic than discussing the atom bombs Pro-tip: The Jews have been militarizing and confiscating those things since the brits let them have a piece of pie in excavations, most of what we know was already discovered before or someone not jewish reported the discoveries and forced their hand to acknowledge something was found. Bible had some secular witnesses that were implemented into The Book and got too embellished over the years but they are there. inb4 it's a fabrication, there's still other marks from the era like the confirmation of the Pilate address stone. >>10299 >Tel Aviv is literally the gayest city on the planet I find it hard to imagine given that i visited San Francisco and it was a small piece of hell on earth and that's without visiting any public bathrooms or bar backdoors.

I don't care to ascribe anything positive to the bloodthirsty kikes, but IMO this whole set of evil shenanigans is a 4D ruse on their part to set their Western puppets like the Jewnited Snakes & Natto on a course to -- in the kike's minds -- destroy Iran. 1. Mossad created Hamas, to destroy PLO (and an ace in their pocket). 2. Oopsie! The golem has 'turned' on it's master and broken out of it's open-air prison! 3. Let's just incite global rage by Moslems by bombing a hospital housing a 1,000 women + children + injured. 4. Said Moslems begin a jihad against Western military enclaves around the world. 5. Globohomo kikes rabble-rouse mudshits to riot in major European-descended cities around the world, as per the standard Soros, et al, MO. 6. AHA! Turns out, (((according to experts))), that Tehran was behind it all! 7. PLEASE HELP US GO...G-GUYS!111 IT'S ANNUDAH SHOAH!!!! Very thin line of reasoning I'll admit. OTOH, I'd also wager that every bit of it is true. The kikes are trying to sic their attack dogs on their most steadfast enemies, and using their best shabbos goyim to do their dirty work. Typical with these people, to be honest.å

>>10304 Yeah jew arrogance never bites them in the ass because they are literally gods that know everything they even predicted my last shit and sent me a note telling me to die for Israel via a rat crawling up the drain pipe. Needless to say I immediately was sad forever.

>>10305 Lol, eat shit niggerpill. Time alone will tell if I'm right. Regardless, even if we glass the Aryans for them, the entire world will still turn against them -- sooner or later -- just as prophesied.

>>10304 >4. Said Moslems begin a jihad against Western military enclaves around the world. No doubt assisted by many surreptitious, embedded (((advisers))).

>>10306 He was pretty clearly mocking your "joos did tha planaroo for alla dis" angle you autistic faggot.

>>10301 I can't be low effort if you post a qt terrorist girl and resuming what has happened so far to get everyone up to date.

>a week passed >so called "christian" kikeshill niggerlovers haven't been perma b& yet Christ. This is exactly why you never let your board be run by tengukike

>>10257 Is that a FAMAS?

>>10303 >References, at least from the U.S. Department of Energy, do use "Scientific Advisors" in all committees without referencing who are they each time, same with Military Advisors. The way it is written implies they are the same so perhaps a mistake was made in their papers. What I mean is that the Interim Committee was a higher-level one with people like Oppenheimer and Stimson, discussing overall use of the bomb. The target recommendations came from a lower-level committee, with people like von Neumann (the previously-mentioned Christian convert). I may actually have been wrong about whether Oppenheimer was "on" the committee; I see sources omit him but I also see him mentioned in relevant documents, and it's not clear whether he and Groves were actually on that committee, or whether they were named on those documents because they were in charge of the project and the committee presented its conclusions to them, without their involvement in reaching those conclusions. >some people, namely Stimson, named in Kyoto but didn't mind dusting Nagasaki Kyoto is objectively more culturally and historically important than Nagasaki. It doesn't matter how much significance you place on the Christian minority, that's just a fact, and in the arithmetic of what to bomb and what to avoid, Kyoto would have been a greater loss. Truman's words in his diary lay that out: "Even if the Japs are savages, ruthless, merciless, and fanatic, we [...] cannot drop this terrible bomb on the old Capitol or the new." Also, one of the factors that was mentioned to recommend Kyoto in the first place, which was its status as an intellectual centre, seems more like an argument against it; yes, having academics witness the blast and be able to accurately report on it to leadership could be useful, but only if they don't die themselves because they just got nuked. Better to keep them alive, and have them able to recognize and confirm what happened from the aftermath instead. >although purportedly according to sources it was replaced by said city despite being "the backup" of another. That is to say, they had a list of target cities, from which they'd select a primary target and then choose another from the list as a backup. Given that, it makes sense that the late substitute (Nagasaki) would have ended up as a backup, while the primary target would be one they'd considered a good candidate the whole time. >Even when justifying the first bombing it seems the second one was a hard sell in all aspects. Oh, I agree entirely, it's a hard sell. But while they were "divided" there was certainly a significant faction that still favoured going on. I just think that the motivation you ascribe to it is extremely dubious. Even if there was prejudicial motivation, rather than genuine belief in it being necessary, I'd assume anti-Nip views like Truman's above would have been more widespread among the decision-makers and more of a contributing factor than opposing a particular minority within them. >the official footage I can't tell enough about the scale, geography, and city limits from that to judge much. but it does look to me like the bomb was dropped at the point farthest from the cloud cover (aside from a few minor wisps) while still being in the city. Given that it was still a very novel weapon and it was, to an extent, a practical test as well as a military use, I really don't think it's a stretch to suggest that if clouds obscured the main drop site they would drop it in the clearest area of the city they could, for the sake of observation. Again though, it's hard to judge. >to be fair americans were pretty ace at getting particular places bombed at night I have no idea of the credibility but I've seen it mentioned that radar-guided night raids on Nagasaki in particular were difficult. I'm not sure if it was the geography, the architecture which I've read was relatively old fashioned (and I do know that wood-and-paper construction is less radar-reflective than more modern building materials, since that is also mentioned for aircraft, such as the RAF's Mosquito), or something else. As an aside, if true that would be not only an explanation for the aiming issue, but also the choice of Nagasaki as a backup target at all. Since, again, the bombs were partly practical tests, the Air Force had been instructed to avoid conventional bombing raids on the candidate cities, so that the damage from the nuclear bombs could be more accurately observed. If it's true that night raids on Nagasaki were difficult, then it stands to reason that it was relatively intact, and thus a suitable test-bed (note that Hiroshima was also relatively intact, even before it was off-limits). And of course it would mean that striking the military targets in the city would be of more importance, if they were harder to hit with night raids. >and full explicit intent of a psychological bombing operation against the country's morale Attacking the Christian minority in particular would not be an exceptional blow to the non-Christian majority's morale. I really do not think Christianity had anything at all to do with it, and I don't think it's a conclusion that could ever be reasonably reached from the evidence, as opposed to starting out assuming it's true and then looking for proof otherwise. There's just nothing here that stands out to me as abnormal. The coincidences that led to the outcome we got don't look like anything but coincidences, and I don't see any way there could have been some sort of secret scheme where Nagasaki was the "real" target without the obvious problem of "why not just come up with reasons to recommend it as the real target, and avoid needing a cover-up?". When you consider the backup thing suspicious I can't even tell what you're really suggesting or who was supposedly involved, other than the vague "Jews being around". >which is frankly a fancy way of saying terrorism You're not wrong. That's exactly what "strategic bombing" is. I won't deny it's rather ridiculous to debate the specific reasons for dropping a nuke that killed 100,000 people, while in the same thread we're also treating as unjustifiable the killing of 0.5% that number by bombing the hospital.

>>10311 I think its the battle rifle from halo

>>10308 No, actually he was mocking me for his (misinterpreted) view that I was somehow claiming the 4D vampires would always win in the end. Quite the opposite, I think the entire world will work to destroy them, and the Lord alone can possibly save them from us all. It may even be that the current corrupt kike government will in fact be toppled and removed. Not at all unreasonable to assume, given the current circumstances IMO. The evil flowing from them (like many nation's evil) is primarily from their corrupt governments. The kikes also have the added dimension of evil from their Talmudic Judaism cult, which makes things at least 10x worse in their case. >>57512 Lol. I already told you glownigger niggerpills to eat shit. The kikes will not win against the entire world. Heh the US will probably go down first, so enjoy your rat's nest, golem-filled hellhole. May Saint Terry steer in your general direction. :^)

>>57512 the struggle is just getting started

Jewish fragility.

>>10314 Nah he's right, you assign so much competence to kikes as to practically view them as gods when pretty much everything points to the contrary. I'm never going to even pretend they're that infallible, they fuck up all the time and have fags like you to swoop in and claim trust the plan it's part if the zog agenda. Fuckin marvelnigger tier soy logic as far as I'm concerned.

>>10310 Just like take it easy lol lmao so what if the thread is being blatantly shat up lol like just do the easy bro lmao be easy like tengu guy and let boards be shit up you're not taking it easy if you stop blatant spammers and shitters lol lmao hahahhaha FUCK

>>57536 >>57536 >>57536 >>57536 >>57536 >>57536 >>57536 >>57536 RAUS

>>57512 I remember posting about the anabaptists some months ago when i was in a bad streak, most obvious way of "salvation" a man can do and can be compared to the buddhist monks who do "nothing" to avoid doing bad deeds and karma. I am fond of the ideology and it's sad the church put them completely under the table but one thing for sure is that it is extremely hard to adhere to it if you are constantly seeing bad shit happening all the time, that moral dilemma is basis of tons of chinaman media about monks perfecting their physical vessels but not being able to use it for any good deeds. Also somewhat related to the /x/ thread, the ideology can also be compared to what some people claim the tall whites/nordic aliens believe but with the added extra of technicalities and lawyerese shit jews pull out all the time. >>10312 >Kyoto is objectively more culturally and historically important than Nagasaki No doubt about it, hence why not dropping it there but in the other place is to me silly and suspicious >we [...] cannot drop this terrible bomb on the old Capitol or the new. Yet they carpet fire bombed Tokyo, the logic seems interesting and to be fair many politicians used the post-factum logic like "we saved more people with the atom bombings" which is highly debatable like most other things. >intellectual centre The political class was more of my intention to point, headless cabinet makes things even harder and coupled with the destruction of the old capital you end up with not only demoralized people but also uncertain of what will happen next, which is something the japs hate more according to history, not knowing where to go. >extremely dubious It is dubious but i am using a logic that has been proven correct very often by many others despite here being a bit harder to apply but the factors are there, enough to make me believe a bias. > for the sake of observation in a partly practical test That's a good point if a bit crude and overly pragmatical from the standpoint of a test rather than a bombing. >would not be an exceptional blow to the non-Christian majority's morale. If we are to believe old media and supposed bias from the standard jap pre-80's i think they considered a christian japanese as just another normal japanese hence why i think they would've seen it as any other attack, the japs are somewhat vocal against minorities and do not hide it in the media, particularly the Dosanko natives and the famous Okinawans with their tans and rude/country pumpkin behavior yet the christians are seen as normal or in more recent times portrayed in media as people with erratic morale systems, often seen as degenerates, killers and/or people herders yet with a bizarre knack to do or preach the opposite. I don't think the japs would've seen it differently other than maybe realizing the westerners bombing the people with their same religion and beliefs anyways so they could do it to anyone. >There's just nothing here that stands out to me as abnormal To me it's the deciding factors not being consistent in a group of people known to be consistent and disciplined. >without the obvious problem of "why not just come up with reasons to recommend it as the real target, and avoid needing a cover-up?" I don't think it was that covered up but they did bring up reasons to recommend it, reasons i think were even more valid in other targets, hence my confusion and suspicion. >I won't deny it's rather ridiculous to debate the specific reasons for dropping a nuke I guess you are right in that regard, perhaps in further lectures i might get a bit clearer leaning on what happened but my conditioned mind is always seeing the ideological aspect behind actions from people i assume had time to spare to think it. Posting it here to not muddy the next thread.

>>10254 She's too old for that now

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