>>6157 >If you want to talk about it you know where to find me. Sure do, take care for now; I'll see you on the board in either case, probably

Hello Loomis. Hopefully you are doing well. No need to feel obliged about your moderator duties at artga.in; I already have people to manage the /ic/ drawpile thread, the drawpile and the imageboard. We are doing just fine so please take all the time you need to adjust to your new job. Please let me know when you are ready to participate in the community again so I can unlock your moderator account. I always lock inactive accounts to prevent potential unauthorized logins. You are welcome to join us anytime you want. We are not going anywhere. btw feel free to delete this post once you have read it if you no longer wish to see me. No hard feelings.

>Just blew it with the only woman I have ever loved But hang on, there's more. >But now that we no longer date she acts the exact same way she always did >this plus her ending the relationship and refusing to give me another chance over a simple verbal argument that I apologized for opened my eyes >realize that essentially she never loved me

Do I want to want things? Does wanting to want to do something mean I want to do something? And if I wanted to do something wouldn't I just do it? Or is desire all an illusion and I'm just supposed to train myself to want the correct things based on some arbitrary standards? If that's the case would wanting to do nothing but the most brain dead consumerist tasks not be the most efficient way to live? Or are the arbitrary standards that make people want to do specific things truly worth the years of work for fulfillment. It feels impossible to want fulfillment. I don't think I can comprehend that experience enough to desire it let alone want to put myself through self-discipline to achieve it. It's very difficult for me to want to do things. Not really in a nihilistic way even though it sounds like it. It's more like a deep autism. I know the steps towards being productive. And I want to do certain things. I work out 3 days a week because I don't want to die. Working out is awful and I loath every minute of it, but I do it because I'm terrified of dying. So I can do difficult things to benefit myself, but the motivation behind those things is anxiety rather than a desire to be appealing or interesting. And it feels like things like art or any productive extrinsic activities fall under a fundamentally different category.

I feel like I'm getting worse at art and more retarded as the days pass.

Anybody else depressed at how good AI art has gotten? I'm not an artist, but I always wanted to become one and seeing AI art is genuinely making me want to an hero.

Nigger I can't even give people advice or critiques anymore people just get mad at the fact that they have to put the effort in and cause it is hard. Disgraceful these lazy bastards. Man it makes me miss this board for it's honesty of opinions one is allowed to help. I might start helping anons again so they can get better at art those who come to imageboards desire it in my opinion. And thank god loomis is fine and doing well.

>>6340 >depressed Why don't you just take advantage the AI, using those images as a tool or references? I don't see why you have to worry about the AI, not to mention the fact that it's not exactly perfect.

>>6340 AI isn't creative it merely recapitulates and remixes existing works. Set your sights on becoming good enough that the AI starts copying your works.

>>6340 The journey, which includes the act of creating, is more fun anyway. Even if an AI could give you perfect results it'd feel like playing a video game with cheat codes: feels fun for a few minutes and then you just stop being interested.

>>6345 This, AI is basically just photoshooping shit together.

>>5983 This image makes me feel sad because furry degenerates are not facing this fate, but that skinny 14 year old looking Syriancel did get his head lopped off, for reasons unknown. Poor lad. Smh.

>>6340 Not really. Mostly because I mostly draw because I like it and share the sentiment in >>6348. I suspect that AI will become just another tool to supplement other media, or maybe even a medium of its own. In fact, I suspect that people might only grow more interested in hand-crafted, custom made, or one of a kind things in the future. The trend that started with vinyl keeps spreading. Tailors, furniture restorers, and portrait painters are already seeing some of it.

/ic became so awful I'll have to move here.

>>6340 There was already an instance of AI winning an art contest against humans last month. Granted, the artists entered an AI generated piece as one he created and no one knew until after the judgement. https://archive.ph/Yy92T I think that people who will be the most affected by AI will be photobashers and colorists. Ones working in 3D who specialize in unwrapping textures, rigging, cropping footage for FX, translating 2D to 3D, and other tedious tasks will be replaced by AI too. I could see the stock photo companies be in a bit of the trouble too, as AI will be able to generate reference images based on phrases put in. If you focus on storytelling and character design in your artwork, you will most likely be fine. Even more so if you can work in physical media. Same goes for the exaggerated, line art heavy styles, at least to a degree, as I am yet to see an AI that's any good at these. AI won't kill artists just like drum machines did not kill drummers.

>>6370 Grind your fundies so you don’t suck so much, idiot.

>>6402 He's probably talking about all the 4chan /g/ anons who keep going to /ic/ to troll.

>>6403 Grind your AI so you don't suck so much, faggot.

I feel like shit. How do you not get discouraged when you don't have the energy or attention to work on anything and when you do it just immediately turns out like shit. All my life I've just wanted to be able to take these ideas I have in my head and put them on paper and look at that and say "yeah, that's what I was thinking of." I don't have the time to practice, I don't have the attention to try, and when I do it just looks like ass. Also this AI shit really puts a damper on my spirit.

>>6411 You should KYS

>>6411 >How do you not get discouraged when you don't have the energy or attention to work on anything and when you do it just immediately turns out like shit. All my life I've just wanted to be able to take these ideas I have in my head and put them on paper and look at that and say "yeah, that's what I was thinking of." I don't have the time to practice, I don't have the attention to try, and when I do it just looks like ass. There is always more to learn, room to get better, and it's tough to get 100% of your idea on paper every time. About half of artists explore or refine their concepts by doodling or using thumbnails. Ones who can always draw high quality, pre-formed, complex pieces right away are rather rare. As for motivation, just make a habit of drawing every day. Try to draw daily around the same time. If you can't draw, commit to drawing at least a line every day. The way our brains work is they tend to dislike having things unfinished, and once you get started they have easier time continuing with the task. You will often draw a line and then continue to draw more. Once you develop a habit, finding energy will be a non-issue on most days. Just like it does not take much effort to do other routine, daily tasks. A lot of people burn out because they constantly practice and do nothing else. Split drawing time between practice and fun. I always try to incorporate at least a little bit of what I am learing into m "for fun" drawings. For example, if you are learning perspective and want to draw big titty elves, break these elves into geometric shapes first and make sure they are in perspective because you start to add details. It will not only be good practice, but it will make the fun drawings look much better. >Also this AI shit really puts a damper on my spirit. Don't draw for internet likes and attention. Draw for yourself and savor the journey. Try to tap into the meditative aspect of drawing if you can. All AI ultimately does is mash elements from examples. It can't draw anything that was not drawn before.

>>6340 This weekend there was a leak of closed source novel ai's code that was based on stable diffusion. Bunch of forks incorporated that code now, and I had a chance to try some of them. Results can be impressive, but a lot of the art generated feels hollow. You need to play with prompts and make a lot of re-attempts. It's a lot like pulling a lever of slot machine and hoping to get something you want in return. It can be addicting and you can spend hours doing that. At the same time, you will be left hollow if you derive any satisfaction from the usual creative process. People most fucked by the AI >shitty artists with very simplistic styles who cater to coomers >greedy fucks who have few poses in their arsenal and chrn out repetitive commissions of single character >OC donut steel community of artists >Tumblrinas and twitter tracers >Crab bucket ic-tard types who think that being able to draw better than average person makes them special, and now any normalfag will be able to generate something of equvalent quality >Jobber texture, portrait art, and background assets artists in animation and videogames, >Concept artists who can only photobash >clipart and stock art services Once this becomes good enough to handle fingers, toes, and make things photorealistic consistently: >ethots since OF nudes will be worthless >celebs and models >public figures who's faces and photos will be faked be people en masse >idiots who plaster their faces on every social media platform they can >hyper realistic artists >stock photo services As of now, you are safe if: >you can shade well >can draw anything other than standard humans and common everyday objects >you have a complex artstyle >you understand anatomy and how to distort it >you understand perspective and how to distort it >you understand gesture and how to apply it well >you do not exclusively draw one or few character who never interract >you know about soft tissue deformation >you have an idea to convey or a story to tell >you draw images of multiple subjects interacting or reacting to one another Basically, if you are competent and do more than farm likes with anime fanart you will be fine for the time being. In fact, you can use AI to generate variations of your artwork to get some new ideas. Someone competent with image editing will also be able to turn AI slop into something actually good. AI will become another tool in your aresenal, just like photography, digital, and 3D did for many artists. It will suck for beginners who want to put up their art online for attention. You might not be able to build a following without being an advanced artists. Musicians will be in real trouble. There is a finite amount of melodies. Out of them, there are only so many that humans find appealing. Sound based AI is not as advanced as image and text ones. It's only a matter of time however, and it won't be pretty. Having said that, it could fizzle out like 3D printing and VR did, or coexist like 3D printing and digital art do. I still remember when these technologies were going to upturn everything. AI also faces dangers of litigation. Sooner or later some artists will try to get royalties from their art being used as samples or training tools for AIs. There is also an issue of copyright, and some closed source projects charging per piece and still hiding behind "research" arguments might get in trouble. Here is a video that makes some good points. https://yewtu.be/watch?v=tjSxFAGP9Ss

I think I've finally found out something that's been at the core of my artistic dysfunctions. Anxiety over wasted time and hatred for slow progress Of course, yet another fucking thing that exists thanks to my fucking parents own traumas. Jesus fuck, I'm so fucking tired of digging up traumas and then finding out it's because of my parents. Jesus fuck, I already I know I have daddy and mommy issues, but fuck me it's like every single trauma I dig up, of course it's their fault, and it's their fault because their fucking parents caused that trauma to them too... Fuck me, mental trauma is the thing nobody fucking asks for but absolutely everyone is given. But really, I've had problems with perfectionism, with impostor syndrome, yet everything at the root of this is because my progress is being glacial slow, and everything fucking feedback-loops into itself. >(Feel like) I suck at art, need to draw more to git gud. >Drawing more is just a waste of time, why don't I just draw something big down. >Real artists do X, you're not a real artist if you don't do X. >Put down a bare minimum of guidelines >oh, it's out of shape, you didn't do X, a real artist does X >You're fucking wasting time >why bother? You're just wasting time, go do better things... >(delete the page out of frustration) I'm tired of this shit. I just wanna suck in peace, and yet at the same time I want to draw things good so I can get on with my life... Yet I completely forgot about drawing just for the sake of drawing... As a kid, I didn't give a shit how bad or good my art was, I just did it because it was fun. What am I missing? How do I avoid feeling guilty about wasted time?

https://www.youtube.com/@artchad That nigger stole my name in 2019. He was there, saw my name and stole it. Guess I have to pick another name.

I don't have much drive for improvement. It makes for mostly pain-free artmaking and I do other things with the time I don't spend grinding, but sometimes it kinda bothers me like a small itch and I'm scared I might regret it. I'm getting old

>>6691 Suggestion: artchud

I've been managing my friend's caricature stand for the last week. The money's been good, but the commute and parking sucks. I also decided to start prototyping my tabletop RPG and doing the art for it in my spare time at the stand. I've been working a lot more in the last year and it definitely keeps me more in the swing of just being able to lay down some lineart a lot faster than I used to but the problem is the commute back (like 1.5-2 hours) is so draining that I feel too tired to keep going. The only thing I prefer about the theme park over this is the short commute. Hopefully I can take a fucking break soon. I just need a break from constantly working or driving or having to be with people to make the shit I care about making and trying to make all of it fit is starting to depress me.

>>6707 A short commute is nice, good and honestly an important benefit. I know people that drive an hour or more one way to work. Two hours you don't get paid for/have to spend gas on. It's messed up

Hey anon, do you have the files for http://artfovwylhl7wlkcmnp35zb5cyqqydjl2zk24xklroeotfaund4r5aad.onion/index.html ? I can send you art proof that it's me, via the communication channel of your choice. Also, I feel decent.

>>6709 I ain't clickin' that shit nigga

>>6710 Oh it's just artchad, hey, man

After years of putting it off I'm gonna open commissions and actually sell my art instead of offering it for free to the masses. It feels like selling out - even though I know it's not, not really. I just have this pride in posting and doing things for free (it also protects me from having to actually maintain a certain level of quality). Anyone struggling with these feelings, or is it just litteral first-world problems-tier for rich kids who've never gone hungry?

>>6746 Literally everyone gets paid to "do what they do". If you're a high enough proficiency to earn a living making art than you ought to. If you're just musing and larping though you wouldn't be alone, either.

>>6340 AI is only an issue for stupid gay illustrators. And I'm being very specific when I say illustrators, because they are soulless faggots that only create stock images. Artists need not fear AI, since, like anons say, its about the creative process as a hobby and also the fact that if you are creating art professionally no AI can replicate a human because AI is homogeneous. Even if it is trained on your works it will only ever be able to create a middle-of-the-road derivative of you. But you alone can create a new and unique artwork.

>>6764 this is not mine if someone assumes

>>6764 I don't like AI because of the intention behind it, which is to further disenfranchise working artists (intentional) and demoralized those with the potential to become such (perhaps unintentional). I also feel it is an attack on artistic endeavor itself; the AI artist is deprived of the satisfaction of true creation and in its place he's given the spiritual equivalent of a graciously specific google image search. The content generated itself I am totally ambivalent to.