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Former PlayStation head says there's an 'existential crisis' of consoles as platform sales haven't increased in 25 years Anonymous 10/06/2024 (Sun) 14:26:39 Id: 919064 No. 1023714
This is from June, but I just found it. It's an interesting read. https://archive.is/OkZ7a >Is console gaming hurdling towards ruin? Former PlayStation chairman Shawn Layden gives a frank answer on the current state of play with the traditional nexus of Big 3 hardware. >It isn't trouble, but it's not a new thing. >If you look at the history of consoles, from PS1 to PS5 and everything associated in those verticals, the global install base in any one of those generations never got over about 250 million. No matter how you rack it up. There's at one point in time when the Wii came out, and thanks to Wii Fit, an extra like 20 million units got sold because everyone thought they could lose weight. >But that wasn't sustainable, and that came crashing down. And we're still kind of in the 250 million overall install base of active consoles. I think that's a challenge. We've managed to do a lot over time, and during the pandemic, revenues went up 20-25%, but it was still just getting more money from the same people. It wasn't necessarily bringing new people into the console gaming world. >So I think that's the existential threat to gaming right now: How do you break out of that glass ceiling? TL;DR since the PS1 consoles have sold roughly 250,000,000 units each gen, with those numbers shifting around between systems. He thinks the lack of growth is a long-term threat as the industry keeps extracting more money from the same pool of people.
>>1024607 >Population is increasing dramatically. I don't think so. As I understand it, the growth rate of the global human population has been slowing for decades.
>>1024613 For sure. Scams are rooted in preying on a lack of individual and collective wisdom. Doesn't matter how insignificant the loss or waste. Failure facilitates growth. The rich ,who are ignoring this, are going to retard themselves naturally.
>>1024634 Not if their eugenics program (behind closed doors) succeeds, while their state-controlled (iykyk) education systems remain in place, dumbing down the populace ever since they were employed by that devil Rockefeller.
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>>1024140 git taste, edgelord.
>>1024530 Noone cares about worst korea's demographics though. >>1024443 There's no reason to provide hardware novelty if people lap up your console for bing bing wahoo. They learned that when the latter got in the way of the former with the wii u.
If were take into consideration the nintendo 2022 fiscal chart, the main demographics are 20-30 year olds. It's is somewhat alarming and somewhat not at the same time is how small the sub 20 demographic is. If you take the data at face value there's not much new blood coming in, on the other hand it's obvious they don't really have any buying power either. That 20 range spike could be just the wii kids deciding to get back into gaming again now that they have disposable income.
>>1024613 Scam artists don't target poor people not because poor people aren't easier to scam, scam artists target don't target poor people because poor people have no money. This is obvious.
>>1024662 >target don't target don't target. I added the extra target by mistake.
>>1024648 Being edgy is the mark of intelligent people. >>1024657 The younger ones are simply realizing (or being taught) that pirating older games is better than buying new ones. There is no reason to spend money just because I have disposable income to do so. I can get good games for free.
>>1025290 >I can get good games for free. The funny thing is that I'm a buyfag, and the truth is that you really don't have to buy games anymore because the companies are releasing them for free left and right. From everything as recent as AAA games like GotG and The Calisto Protocol to old-as-shit games like Wonder Boy and the Ikari trilogy. In some ways, it's very beneficial as majority of the games that I do want to play I no longer have to buy in order to do so, so I can spend that money on other things instead.
I just read a rumour that Sony is going to remaster/remake the Greek games from God of War. It truly is a console of nothing but remakes at this point.
>>1024657 >That 20 range spike could be just the wii kids deciding to get back into gaming again now that they have disposable income. Or it's people lying about their age. Isn't 20 Japan's age of adulthood, at least in some contexts?
>>1025298 Save the money instead. There is nothing more pleasant than to ruin the jewish economy.
>>1025312 It is a possiblity, kids could be attempting just to get around the age filter. However if the claim that the lack of new blood is true you will expect that huge spike be somewhere around the 23 or 24 mark in the 2024 or 2025 fiscal report.
>>1025341 >you're given a limited amount of vouchers to take from the jewish economy, so don't use that opportunity it's my bus fare to go steal something.
>>1024573 spending money is NOT having the money anymore, wealthy genius friend. iPhone users miss some nuance in his fact and buy one on debt.
>>1025894 Better a thief than to let the jewish economy thrive.
>>1025341 >save Doesn't exist. Currency printing happens faster than any savings interest rate at any bank or any investment in any financial service except for gold and silver, which is the only actual money. You cannot "save." It deprecates sitting in your vault. You can, however, convert currency immediately to real money.
>>1025902 But the point is they still get the gas money.
>>1025907 You can still save, you just have to put your money into hard assets rather than a bank account. For as much as a meme as buying gold is, it's still a finite resource - it's value will dip and surge depending on how much of it is in the market at any given point, but over time it's value will accrue rather than devaluate the way potentially infinite resources like abstract concepts such as money will. Owning land is another good long-term store of value, though you have to be much more active in the market because it's been booby trapped with a shit-ton of taxes and regulations. Lots of farmers have lost their asses because they were tied to a specific parcel of land and couldn't freely navigate the market, locking them in while property taxes slowly ate them alive.
>>1025913 Also, the government can just come in and steal your land whenever they feel like it if they feel like they have a better use for it than you do. They are "required" to give you a "fair market value" for the land they take - but you still don't get a choice in whether or not you can sell or what is taken. Losing a few key acres to "fair market value" is an easy way to devalue the rest of the attached land - allowing the government to snatch up the rest of your property for pennies on the dollar a few years down the road.
>>1025907 >>1025913 >>1025916 Don't forget that FDR also seized and made it illegal for Americans to even own gold. And it stayed that way for 40 years until Ford repealed the law.
>>1026053 Obeying the law is a mistake, in the first place. Overthrowing governments that want to command instead of be commanded is the way to go.
>>1025896 Saving gold doesn't mean you'll have anything to spend it on either. In some ways getting rid of the money gets you more than hodling does. Skills are the only thing you'll always have, and with them you'll always be able to get land and eventually sustenance.
>>1025376 The average age has been stable since Wii was new. It's 28 now and was 29 then, based on Nintendo's internal research. People who don't play Nintendo are keen to argue this because the data makes console war Nintoddler bait look silly.
>>1026212 Average age being stable doesn't make much sense over such a length of time. If people who were 29 and older during the Wii were still playing it, why would they magically stop buying game consoles in time for another generation to keep the average age the same for the Switch?
>>1026213 Another generation to grow up and keep the average age the same*
>>1026213 28 is the average age for people playing Switch, not the average age of people playing Nintendo. Someone who bought a Wii averaged 29 then but is older now. I'll concede I could have phrased my sentences better.
>>1026217 Adding to this, I don't think average people are brand fans who keep buying a company's consoles because it says Microsoft, Nintendo, or Sony on it. That's an online thing. Buying a PS2 doesn't mean buying a PS5.
>>1026213 If the average users age is increasing each year that implies you're not getting new blood and your audience will die with current users. If it's stable you're getting new blood in a steady rate.
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It amuses me that the Switch is often ignored as a console by people like this former Playstation chairman and platform warriors on the Internet, just because it's not as powerful as the competition. The amount of mental gymnastics is rather impressive. These people forget it's never been hardware power that makes a console more successful than others but its games. >>1024401 There was indeed an article mentioning how much microtransaction purchases dropped in Japan for three years now https://automaton-media.com/en/news/microtransaction-purchases-in-japan-drop-for-third-consecutive-year/ I think the current economy has an influence but as the article suggested too, mobile games in Japan are now primarily 3D (as phones continue to improve in performance) instead of simply relying on 2D jpegs. Fate/GO is way past its glorious age while titles like Uma Musume (see webm related) and Gakuen Idolm@ster are all the rage these days. >>1024657 >It's is somewhat alarming and somewhat not at the same time is how small the sub 20 demographic is. I've simply assumed that teenagers often go through the phase of "Nintendo is for babies" that we likely went through ourselves. I sure did once, but back then there were true differences between Playstation and Nintendo, even PC was its own thing. Playstation was where I developed my tastes in various Japanese third-parties in the 2000's. Now the Nintendo Switch is my primary platform for said Japanese games since the PS brand rejected all its roots.
>>1026233 That is a good sign. It means that those companies will die too.
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>>1023856 Based. >>1023747 >>1024657 Kids are also usually satisfied playing browser games and mobileshit just because of how accessible they are due to being 'free' and hardware-undemanding. And it's not like most of them nowadays give a shit about singleplayer games. It really is just young adults.
0% surprised. If there is a PS6, by some miracle, there is definitely no PS7.
>>1026233 >If the average users age is increasing each year that implies you're not getting new blood why would they with how shit the industry has become if they are not trying to nickle and dime you its censored trash a teenager or child would never play.
>>1030532 While emotionally feels good to say, it's not really true. Games as a medium are still growing, but mostly in PC and mobile spaces. It's consoles that are stagnant. Normies and kids don't really care about censorship either, assuming they're even playing the niche weeb games that are subject to western censors. Look at the Switch's sales, the average Switch owner is between the age of 22 to 43. There are more 40-year-olds who game on Switch than 10-year-olds.


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