>>463717 It was sixteen years between Jedi and Menace. 1983 to 1999. Sixteen long, cold, empty years ... and we get Menace. We were certain the next Star Wars movie would be out in '86 or maybe even '87. The Skywalker twins would double-team the returning Clone Emperor in the next trilogy and right the galaxy once and for all. Yeah. How did that all pan out? Do you have George's Not-So-Special Edition on DVD? Watch them all with commentary tracks activated. It gives great -- and disappointing-- insight into George's somewhat clueless and insulated mindset.

>>463752 I don't what the fuck with this movie.

>>463751 Hey, at least you got two more live action movies between Return of the Jedi and Phantom Menace. Those Ewok movies. That's what you wanted, right? And don't forget the Ewok cartoon, and the Droids cartoon.

>>463770 How can you mention the ewoks movies and cartoons without mentioning the Christmas special

>>463770 The fact that I had utterly forgotten that anything after Jedi had been released, is your answer. But upon reawakened memory, I do remember hearing the Droids cartoon wasn't that bad. I never watched it.

>>463771 Holiday Special came out after Star Wars did --excuse me! Star Wars Episode IV: A New Hope (tm)(c)(r)-- not Jedi. And a very 70s thing it is! The animated section set up of for when "Heavy Metal" came out just a couple of years later.

>>463775 Honestly The Star Wars Holiday Special gets too much hate. Now, after watching Episode VII, I can see that the Holiday Special and all pre-Disney Star Wars could have been a lot worse. It fits into the canon, it provides a look into regular life in the galaxy, and it is absolutely hilarious. How can you not laugh at the extended untranslated Wookie dialogue scenes that just keep going and going? Or the scene where Chewbacca's elderly father watches VR porn in the living room? Plus the animated bit is actually awesome, and finally makes me understand why kids from the time love Boba Fett so much. I legitimately consider it part of the saga, and include it in every rewatch.

>>463793 Also for the Christmas Special, it has to be said: it came out before Empire. Nobody expected Empire to be as serious and good as it was, and nobody yet understood what Star Wars was to become. In 1978, the studio knew they had a hot property, and they needed to strike right then and there to make even more money. Rushed and poorly executed exploitation pieces are a Hollywood staple, as expected from a place that survives on trends, fashions and The Next Big Thing.

>>463795 That is a good point. Nobody took the story seriously, because it was campy as all hell before Empire. It was essentially a Hammer film with clever special effects.

>>463708 That Flash movie whose CGI belongs to a fucking PS2, literally every lame gag regurgitated from Joss Whedon's cesspool. The only redeemable scene was Michael Keaton killing himself over and over as a "fuck you" to all nostalgiafags who refuse to let go the 80s.

>>463708 >Have you ever watched a movie or show that ruined your whole day? Law Abiding Citizen. Not only was the genius "bad guy" taking out the trash, he was only defeated because of dumb luck by the "good guy," a corrupt lawyer. Total crap ending.

>>463832 Just read the Wiki for Law Abiding Citizen. It sounded good until I got to: >Cantrell and Nick meet Bray, a CIA contact who knows about Clyde's past employment with the agency; Clyde's CIA employment consisted of eliminating nearly impossible targets. Really? THAT threadbare trope? "Poor Victim Is Really Retired Secret Super Agent Who Can Kill The Unkillable"? Lay. Zee.

>>463837 >"Poor Victim Is Really Retired Secret Super Agent Who Can Kill The Unkillable"? Not quite. It's more like "Poor victim is really retired super devious CIA assassin who methodically causes everyone who fucked with him to suffer horribly." He hacks a chemical shipment for the execution of the stooge who got the death penalty and replaces all the night-night juice with excruciatingly painful chems. Then he catches and toxin-paralyzes the guy who got away with it due to a deal and slowly skins him alive while he feels everything, unable to move. Then he gets himself arrested so he can get up close and personal with the corrupt judges and lawyers and really make them miserable. And then Jamie Foxx somehow beats him.

>>463839 Dudes you've both missed the real problem. Law abiding citizen had its ending rewritten. In the real ending he does not get caught. He blows the limp dicks to smitherines and then he gets away, his plan goes off without a hitch. Jamie Foxx and others bitches about this because it made Foxxs character look like a fool and it also looked like it supported blowing up assholes in lone wolf attacks.

>>463843 You are fucking shitting me. Is there an alternate ending on a DVD or something, or do you have a link to the source? Because I can see Foxx being a bitch about it but I have a hard time believing "THISH ISH SHPARTA" didn't push back.

>>463839 make an indie cartoon series called "straight white male", its about a nazi character who becomes fourth wall aware and starts avoiding all the dearhs and bad ends that were planned for him, all the while becoming less and less like a fictional portrayal of a nazi and increasing more like actual nazis who existed in real world history. the universe keeps becoming more and more insane just to try and kill our villain protagonist, its starts out as a fairly realistic true to history story about american soldiers rescuing jews from hitler, but by the end its gone through every subgenre of speculative fiction just to kill off this one nazi soldier, but he keeps surviving and getting increasingly stronger as he goes. he ends up going from what our prevalent culture would consider pure evil to the chosen hero who acts as the guardian of the world due to how many times hes saved people from the threats that were in truth sent by the authors just to eradicate him in particular, without regard for collateral damage or innocents caught in the crossfire. The show would make a compelling case for nazism simply by going from the presentation of the idea strawman in most fiction to the actual positions and arguments that were being forwarded back in the 1920s -1950s.

>>463857 Idk but the comments in this fan edit alude to it https://youtu.be/bmiTMKmtQrY

>>463889 write the screenplay anon

>>463708 No, I'm not mentally retarded.

>>463837 >>463857 neck yourself, fucktard

>>463708 madame web

>>463912 Choke on my come, bitch. LAC, 'Taken', and then 'Nobody' a couple of years ago: the 'Rambo: FB2' trope is dopey and old. Give me Walter White-- a normie who becomes a delicious monster against offensive events-- or 'Kill Bill' and 'John Wick' with their in-house pro killer hijinks. Fuck, I'll even take 'Turk 182' for a better stick-it-to-the-man story than Hyper Overqualified Killer: Reactivated Part MCXVICCMXIII

>>463889 National Socialism (Nazi is a derogatory term and no contemporary follower of Hitler ever used it) was tried, found wanting, and destroyed. >Let's defeat Communism Okay. >Kill all the Jews. Really this time. Finally! >And Germany needs to rule the world because Houston Chamberlain thinks we should Fuck you and eat our bombs.

>>463984 Fuck off kike

>>463985 Stop sucking loser-boy cock and you won't be so pathetic.

>>463983 >normie Normalfag spotted.

>>463988 Fuck off kike

LotR sucked. Jackson rewrote the story and reinvented most of the characters to suit himself, and no. Merry & Pippin are not stupid country bumpkins. Aragorn is not crippled by angst. Arwen Warrior Princess was never. Elrond was not a giant elitist, racist prick towards Aragorn. Gimli was never comic relief. Faramir was never a towering twat to rival his dear brother Boromir, who was indeed a haughty entitled asshole. Denethor had his mind broken for vying with Sauron with the Palantiri, and he was an asshole towards Faramir, but he was not the drolling, howling lunatic. Saurman did not die at Isengard, but at Bag End. On and on and on. Pete only got the Oscars because he got the movies made. So after fifty years in Development Hell, Hollywood can say that the Tolkien Trilogy is finally in the can.

>>464014 I actually really like LOTR, I had it ruined because my ex was really into one of the characters and would get horny every time we watched. literally had to play LOTR in order to get laid knowing that she was thinking of some other guy while we did it. never figured out what actor made her so horny but thats her new fiances problem now.

>>464030 The LotR films are for those who never read the LotR books. They're very 21st Century action/thriller in their construction, with all that god-awful GRiTtY ReAlisM muck and filth hosed everywhere. Yes, Tolkien's narrative fetishes over flowers, gushy paeons to nature and multichapter, meticulous descriptions of the mains marching cross country can be quite challenging to read. But most all the revisions of story points and characters that Pete made were un-necessary. Pete boasted in an interview that he could tell Tolkien's stories better than Tolkien could. No.

>>464014 Autism worthy of Christopher Tolkien

>>464068 It was bad when I realized that Rankin/Bass had kept closer to the SM than Petey did.

>>464014 I agree that each of the things you point out is a problem, but I do think that most of them are small issues in the grand scheme of things, and the movies are overall quite good. However, I do think some key themes fail to come across, and those are not always even directly related to the things you mentioned. For example, I feel like the books have a strong theme of, if not pacifism, at least not glorifying war. But feminists get mad at Eowyn's arc, so they remove her lesson from the ending, saying that it's misogynist, when that couldn't be further from the truth. It's simply saying that she should love life and not think there is glory in war and death. Battle is a tragic thing that is sometimes necessary, but there are other roles that are also important and should be honored. This does come across a bit with Frodo, given he's the main character and you can't really remove that. But by removing Eowyn's lesson, you leave the film saying that she was right the entire time in believing the exact opposite of one of the most key themes of the story. The same theme is also expressed with Thorin in The Hobbit. Again, the entire point there is that Frodo isn't a warrior but he is a hero. Of course, since Thorin is male, he's allowed to be wrong and learn a proper lesson. The same theme is also expressed with how the giant battle that the story is building up to is then skipped in the novel, as Bilbo gets knocked out right at the start and doesn't wake up until it's over. Then the movie turns that battle into an entire three hour film. But at least that's just due to corporate greed and not outright political disdain for the source material. But I still like even The Hobbit movies and watch them along with Lord of the Rings every so often. >>464071 I did have my mind blown when I finally read the books and realized "Where there's a whip, there's a way" is actually in the source material.

>>464078 Manning up both Eowyn AND Arwen in the films irritated me. The mains and most-all the secondaries in the epic are cyphers for greater themes and ideals that Tolkien wanted to present, against the overall RL backdrop that the Industrial Age was killing off the old Ages of Wonder & Magic. Arwen was the Evenstar of her people, the final beautiful light of the High Elves as they departed the Middle-earth. She marries the most high-born Man left in the Middle-earth keeping that gleam of Elvish wonder alive into the Forth Age. That's not a demeaning or lesser role: it's tremendously important. Eowyn was a horse-riding Viking Bad Bitch born-&-raised: a shield-maiden and warrior queen in the making. Aragorn the returned King of the West was beyond her, but she learned through Faramir -- who is total Gracious Regal Bearing in the books -- that the wild blaze of battle can be harnessed into the warm and happy glow of the Home Fire, and that there is nothing wrong or lessening with that! Lieutenant John Ronald Reuel Tolkien was a combat veteran of World War I, who served with the mother-fucking Lancashire Fusiliers. He had seen some shit. And he had VERY distinct views on war, its holistic cost, it's absurdities and necessity. Both the Hobbit and LotR are his blatant platforms.

>>464078 The Hobbits as a whole are Tolkien's cypher for Merry Olde Englande, and Thorin's farewell confession to Bilbo that "if more of us valued food and cheer over hoarded gold, it would be a merrier world" *IS* the point of their presence. Bilbo, who like Authur Dent spends most-all his adventure in his dressing gown, is the least qualified to do any adventuring but still gets the job done when needed, usually beneath anyone's notice. And Oh! the Rankin/Bass songs! Singing songs with your mates was what men of Tolkien's generation did. R/B puts most all the lyrics from The Hobbit into the show, with new melodies. Then then continued with new songs for their RotK. And they're most all bangers, yes. <iframe width="1005" height="480" src="https://www.youtube.com/embed/16HzlM8IYWA" title="The Bearer of the Ring (from &quot;The Lord of the Rings: The Return of the King&quot; 1980)" frameborder="0" allow="accelerometer; autoplay; clipboard-write; encrypted-media; gyroscope; picture-in-picture; web-share" referrerpolicy="strict-origin-when-cross-origin" allowfullscreen></iframe> <iframe width="1005" height="480" src="https://www.youtube.com/embed/ct_TWhxIOfY" title="The Return of the King &quot; Less Can Be More &quot; Music from the animated film" frameborder="0" allow="accelerometer; autoplay; clipboard-write; encrypted-media; gyroscope; picture-in-picture; web-share" referrerpolicy="strict-origin-when-cross-origin" allowfullscreen></iframe> <iframe width="1005" height="480" src="https://www.youtube.com/embed/Z1Gdsc8NID8" title="Leave Tomorrow &#39;Til It Comes (from &quot;The Lord of the Rings: The Return of the King&quot; 1980)" frameborder="0" allow="accelerometer; autoplay; clipboard-write; encrypted-media; gyroscope; picture-in-picture; web-share" referrerpolicy="strict-origin-when-cross-origin" allowfullscreen></iframe>