>>5866 I wouldn't call it collapse, but rather a societal upheaval at most. I'll call another decade before inter-party violence becomes commonplace.

depends where you are depends what you call a collapse A city can be consumed by riots and have suburbs 30 miles away not even notice >>>/b/

About a month financially, 12 months before people realize the titanic hit an iceberg, and 4-12 years before it completely sinks depending on who's at the helm. It's non-reversible at this point unless America invades China to force their debt onto the Chinese, assuming Russia/Japan/India/Everyone else doesn't intervene, but the entire world is going down with them when it happens so it's alright. It was time to get /fit/ and find a stable non-digital career about 8 years ago but it's still not too late if you play your cards right.

Put some chocolate in a bag and hope for the best anon. I'm not fighting the remaining glow in the darks that're strong enough to survive nuclear winter. I've got a 48 hour supply of carbs that on a desperate setting ought to be able to make you go missing for two weeks about instead... something like a few squares a day, head kept down low stuff. I can't really do more than that. Once my bars of bloomed confectionery run out I'm at the mercy of the landscape.

>>5866 How useful will silver and gold be in the collapse?

>>5871 During the collapse? Not very useful beyond the value derived from their physical properties. Afterwards however, there's no reason to think that something that's something that's held for millennia would change this time.

>>5871 It will always retain value and provided the people you're trading with aren't hurting for basic necessities, that'll be the currency. The hard part will be finding a baseline for transaction price.

>>5869 >About a month financially,

>>5874 Credit squeeze started in August and will feel the full force next month, FED has one more interest adjustment before the year's end, treasury bonds reached an all-time high, government shutdown resumes by then, oil is spiking but nobody is selling and America's reserves will be officially drained by then, student loans go into default for those not paying them next month, agricultural report comes out showing the effects of drastically reduced fertilizers with skyrocketing gas, the EU is lending faster than it's producing income, Chinese sales are down, a real estate market collapse is fomenting, and union strikes are planned, just to name a few. It's bunch of wobbly dominoes in a circle and if one falls the rest fall with it. >>5870 >He doesn't keep a 90 day supply of MREs and 10+ gallons of water for emergency use >He doesn't pickle and can his own food for hard times Never gonna make it. I might suffer ulcers eating nothing but pickled eggs and cabbage with rice between bulk MRE treats like powdered soup, but I won't be starving.

>America's reserves will be officially drained by then Doesn't america have massive reserves? People aren't exploring new plays (outside the country) because of how much production has been kicking off domestically too, I can't imagine they're about to fail (more to the point, I can't imagine that they wouldn't have been buying out wells if they were about to fail)

>>5866 Where do you put inability to fix basic infrastructure on this scale? It sounds as rather far down the hole, but did not hit the bottom yet. Consider this article: https://web.archive.org/web/1/www.washingtonpost.com/news/wonk/wp/2016/05/26/why-americans-dont-trust-government/ Then consider that this dude was a bishop professor at Harvard and advisor to Most Holy Obummer, but the most even he could do against a single instance of this cancer was to have a rant about it published in Washed-on comPost. How bad does this look?

>Doesn't america have massive reserves? In the ground. Not being extracted. Not in the tanks. >I can't imagine that they wouldn't have been buying out wells if they were about to fail Biden admin follows the gilded age philosophy. That would tarnish their image so it's politically unviable until the crisis reaches critical and even then they'll probably blame it on something else.

>>5872 >During the collapse? Not very useful Consider that in a panic if the local currency collapsed, it would be considered more valuable. you would likely have to overpay at this point. for example bribing someone with a 100oz silver bar for plane tickets or passage into another country.

>>5878 >In the ground. Not being extracted. You're right. I was misremembering the report (which runs more like "with increasing consolidation and limited runways in other plays we'd expect to be able to find a partner (to buy our play(s))"). >Biden admin follows the gilded age philosophy. That would tarnish their image so it's politically unviable until the crisis reaches critical and even then they'll probably blame it on something else. What does the administration (corruption notwithstanding) have to do with private companies buying and operating existing wells in asia? I'm realizing now that america must have some sort of national oil program if it's got strategic reserves but I've never heard of or thought about it before.

>how close is America to collapse? That I can't say. However, you should know that America and the West as a whole is already collapsing under its own weight, so you'd be wise to do what you can before then. Maybe it will happen in ten years, maybe several decades, maybe even next year. Who knows? I'm not sure if it'll end in total collapse, but it'll definitely be on a spectrum from the collapse of Soviet Union (relatively "safe" but still fucked) to Yugoslavia (ethnic cleansing abounds, you're definitely fucked). A possible third option is Republican China, where governmental control collapses in most of the nation but retains enough power to rule over the rest; outside this area, warlords, cartels, and gangs abound. >I want to plan ahead accordingly. Getting /fit/, stockpiling supplies and arms, and learning basic survival skills will do a lot to even the odds in your favor. What will help you even more is to have a useful skill outside of computers, like farming, mechanics, carpentry, metal-working, et cetera. Above all, you're not going to be able to survive by yourself for long. Form a strong, stable group of friends and family, work with your neighbors, and try not to piss them off. If you need more info, strelok's made a guide called "A World Turned Upside-Down" that you should check out. It's got a lot of useful tips on what you should do. I'll include the pdf so you can take a look at it. >>5871 Precious metals will only be useful once civilization recovers and stabilizes. You'd be better off trading in luxuries and vices. People will miss them once they're gone.

>>5880 >What does the administration have to do with private companies buying and operating existing wells in asia? American companies' oil primarily comes either domestically, from Canada, from SEA countries, and/or from Saudi Arabia. American refining infrastructure is only really good for American and Saudi light sweet crude. Canada is shale-based and primarily purchased on the cheap after refinement (and the Biden admin shut it down for profit reasons). SEA crude is heavy sour where it's really only good for export to third world countries in order to keep the price of oil down (Russia has a nice heavy sour refining operation but it is $$$ and only "turns a profit" because they are selling off excess while writing off the expenses under national security reasons, Chinese heavy sour is even worse and usually sold to Russia for pennies then sold back at a premium). If America ends up refining heavy sours then shit is more fucked than anyone realizes and people need to be aware that America is pulling the "I have my own fuck you" endgame strategy. If America doesn't refine heavy sours then they're gonna have a fuel shortage that collapses industry for most major electronics/industrial/agriculture sectors. The administration is who leases the wells for drilling/fracking under interstate commerce and who negotiates with other light sweet or comparable countries (Canadian shale) to deal oil in America. American oil companies are, at least in their American subsidiaries, one of the few "America first" businesses out there because they understand that if America goes tits-up the entire oil industry gets thrown into chaos and their Asian assets are likely to be nationalized by the local fauna or cut off from trade with the parts of the world where they turn a profit on it. Oil is global, but the interests at play in those companies is national to enable good-trust trade at the global level. Otherwise oil is too expensive to pull up to be profitable in most non-North-American settings.

>>5883 And this would be a much smaller problem if the world was running on nuclear power with electrified trainlines everywhere.

>>5884 What upset most nuclear nations is that you still need hydrocarbons even with nuclear infrastructure. And most of the time the price and use of hydrocarbons doesn't go down dramatically, they just get repurposed for other uses and drained all the same so there's only an incentive for countries thinking about long-term profits in a short-term world.

Sure smells like 🌈🐻( Y ) in here.

>>5871 >How useful will silver and gold be in the collapse? Have some classic wisdom from 80s Canada on the topic.

>>5887 Is he really Canadian? He reminds me of the way people in Chicago and Milwaukee used to sound.

>>5886 >🌈🐻( Y ) Gay bears (male)?

>>5888 The TV show was from Winnipeg. https://youtu.be/8kaMTqfHdPM

>>5886 >🌈🐻( Y ) gay furry ass?

>>5890 That's strange unless he's just putting on an Inland North accent. He sounds like this guy. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WtXF0GsLsIk

>>5866 >how close is America to collapse? 20 years give or take if no conventional war with Russia/China until then.

January is supposed to be ugly because de-dollarization kicks off. Even if the rug pull doesn't occur, the competency crisis IS happening - which is more of a slide into shithole status instead of a plunge. I just hoard dry rations plus other food items, collect rain water, and chop wood to hedge my bets - same as any other year.

>>5882 Have to say, that was quite a good read. I think I read an earlier version of this, and it's been significantly improved. I have my disagreements here and there, especially about Christianity and Mars, but nothing major. Overall I was quite impressed by the knowledge and eloquence on display here. I wonder if there's a way I could submit edits to it? >>5881 >You'd be better off trading in luxuries and vices. People will miss them once they're gone. are you saying I should stockpile porn? kek >>5893 pretty much. I expect the Taiwan situation to heat up during/after the Fall of Ukraine, and that the hubris of our GAE masters will lead them to folly and defeat at the hands of BRICS, as it should be. I've been learning Japanese, and fantasizing about building a Little America over there with the weebs. I wonder if that's viable, because honestly, I can't see myself building a life & future here in the US.

>>5894 >de-dollarization Who will be partaking in that, anon? Is that part of the reason why silver has gone up a fair bit? Silver is currently around $24 an ounce while gold has gone back up a little bit above $2,000 an ounce.

>>5895 >I wonder if there's a way I could submit edits to it? The author's made multiple requests for anons to add or submit info over the years, and it says in the book itself you can add any extra info you have as an appendix to the main body. >are you saying I should stockpile porn? kek Not necessarily. Luxuries in this case would be things like food that isn't native to your area or is otherwise hard to produce, like asparagus, bananas, chocolate, and coffee; medicine for rare conditions, assuming societal collapse doesn't kill those people off; or whatever usable electronics remain. Vices would be things like booze, tobacco, hard drugs, or anything that you could use to have a good time or drown your woes. Porn could work as a tradable vice if there's a functioning power system or if you've got it in print, but I think it would be more likely for the average male to go for whores, or for him to marry. Porn would only be useful if said male was going to go for long periods away from women.

>>5897 When times are tough, porn is unnecessary because women want a stable income-provider. How they acquire that income is up for interpretation and usually proportional to how many dicks they've already taken up to that point.

>>5894 >>5896 Please explain what de-dollarization is.

>>5899 I only found out what it is recently but basically it's when countries stop relying on the US dollar. What is currently happening with BRICS is an example of that. I don't know if they ever sorted that out but I've heard a lot of critics that BRICS is doomed to fail because both China and India are a part of it and they don't really agree with each other. One way that you, anon, could attempt De-dollarzation is tying your currency to gold and silver or actually making your currency gold and silver. Anon, what is your ideal currency?

>>5900 >ideal currency A currency with a strict circulation limit that cannot be constitutionally exceeded. This currency would be "issued" only in the form of salaries to government employees and a one-time gibs handout at the founding of the country, there is no interest or any other gay kike niggatry whatsoever as the national bank only ever tries to maintain a set number of currency units in circulation. Excess Taxes if they do happen would be simply be removed, and the government would have to sustain itself on the GNU/market where large-scale distribution of closed-source semiconducting or other high-tech hardware that can't be manufactured with preindustrial methods is punishable by death squad, closed-source software is permitted but free of any penalties for hackers, crackers and repackers due to the abolishment of copyright and patent laws as a core tenet of the constitution. The national bank does have the option to inflate/deflate the national currency along with subsidy handouts in (((exceptional))) circumstances, but it would be unable to print more shekels than the constitutional limit would allow, national debt in terms of national currency would also be unable to exceed this limit. Forex would be completely illegal with all transactions involving foreign currency in any form on national soil being legally null, however national and international barter trade involving Gold, Silver, Shitcoins, MtG cards, LNG etc. would be legal for all citizens and the government, though the object being bartered has to physically exist or mathematically proven to "exist" in the case of shitcoins in order for any transaction to be considered valid this is also the only way for the government to "exceed" the limit of the national currency. Exchanging the national currency for a foreign currency or something else on foreign soil isn't illegal, but also wholly outside the scope or reach of the national government so you can do it but don't have any way to sue a bugman scammer in Nanking for grabbing your precious Reichsshekel in exchange for bootleg Turbine blades made of corroded steel painted to look like Tungsten.

Tomorrow. If you disagree you are a fucking retard and a clown.

>>5902 >tomorrow Will that affect my flight next week?

>>5902 What exactly is supposed to happen tomorrow (today) again? I saw something about the 8th circuit passing a ruling that private individuals are not allowed to sue governments, but nothing else in the news seems noteworthy.

>>5901 I really like where this post is going. Perhaps we could get whoever becomes the successor to Stallman to be our glorious leader? Has Stallman ever announced who that may be and/or is there someone that the community recognizes just yet?

>>5866 >close to You misspelled "past".

>>5896 >Who will be partaking in that, anon? Everyone who thinks they can get away with it? >>5901 And now count how many times over it’s impossible. Or (more to the point) how much of the circus needs to be bulldozed for this to happen.

>>5907 >Or (more to the point) how much of the circus needs to be bulldozed for this to happen. So they can build a bigger circus? Did you read the post you're replying to? >>5901 >forced fixed license and extremely strict tech/media laws >the abolishment of copyright and patent laws as a core tenet of the constitution you've got to pick one nigger

>>5866 America won't collapse anytime soon. Its power will diminish for a historically short period due to a series of successive failures (Korea, Vietnam, the Gas Crisis, 9/11, the Great Recession) that diminish the stability it gained from huge successes (the Spanish-American War, the World Wars, the Cold War). Ultimately, it will fall into authoritarianism under the guise of maintaining the nation (think Caesar's Rome, Cromwell's England, Napoleon's France, Hitler's Germany, Mao's China) and have a period of extended success that eats away the culture of the previous period which will be framed as decadent but rooted in something which may be reinterpreted to fit the current ideal and thus labeled as preservation or the removal of foreign elements. This isn't to say the periods immediately before this will not have been decadent, but even the middling parts will be seen as excessively indulgent at a societal level. After a reorganization and perhaps a civil war or period of extended and exceedingly violent civil unrest, this reemergence as an authoritarian state as a necessary evil will finalize. Now realize, this won't be quick. It's unlikely to occur in our lifetimes. In fact, it's more likely this will be seen toward the end of this century or the beginning of the next than it is to happen in the middle of this century. This isn't to say that you don't need to prepare for hardship. Collapse of a world order is a long and painful process even for periphery states. You simply won't see its conclusion.

>>5909 Those decades/centuries-long declines are due to shortfalls in communications. While current mass communications will decline substantially, they won't disappear given their usefulness to world trade. Those same mass communications and ability to circle the globe in a day at a budget for a world leader means that things happen really, really quickly. The same thing that becomes mass-known in America today in minutes/hours of happening would have taken days during the telephone era and weeks during the telegraph era.

>>5866 Spring 2024? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aDyQxtg0V2w

I ran into excerpts from a curious book. The Fourth Turning by William Strauss and Neil Howe. https://web.archive.org/web/20110817125149/grerp.blogspot.com/2010/12/thoughts-on-fourth-turning-part-1.html For circumstantial evidence, see Kipling — One View of the Question and Mother Hive. It’s like Ethnogenesis and the Biosphere meets The Dosadi Experiment. In that distinct, short and aggressive spawning cycle that creates basically a subethnos every few decades is anomalous and suggests a persistent anomalous cause. Which is, most likely, ever-molting Puritanism. Also, any cycle with ever-increasing amplitude can be expected to eventually run into a border condition. And when if not in already catastrophic phase?