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STOP KILLING GAMES CAMPAIGN Anonymous 04/03/2024 (Wed) 10:24:44 Id: dc9eb5 No. 954406
TO EUROBROS AND STRAYAN ANONS: YOU CAN DO YOUR PART AND TAKE ACTION TO MAKE YOUR VOICE HEARD, AS A CONSUMER, TO STOP GAMES AS A SERVICE. https://www.stopkillinggames.com/ https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w70Xc9CStoE >An increasing number of videogames are sold as goods, but designed to be completely unplayable for everyone as soon as support ends. The legality of this practice is untested worldwide, and many governments do not have clear laws regarding these actions. It is our goal to have authorities examine this behavior and hopefully end it, as it is an assault on both consumer rights and preservation of media. This campaign originally started from some youtuber who hated the fact that The Crew, an Ubishit racing game, would close their online services and making the game he purchased basically unplayable. Even if it would technically be possible to run the game offline, it's unfortunately prevented by DRM and other jewish nonsense plaguing modern gaming today. He is making a rallying campaign, asking for the 12 million people who effectively got scammed after buying The Crew to make their voice heard and complain about this, so that governments can take action and hopefully set a precedent to destroy GAAS as we know it in an effort to preserve videogames. Any step taken towards making publishers and greedy kike game companies release offline versions of multiplayer-only games is a win. Any effort contributing to popularizing the now lost practice of giving server tools to gamers for them to make their own community servers is a good thing in my eyes. If you care about vidya, it's in your best interest to spread awareness of this campaign and do as much as you possibly can, even if you don't like the EU. Sign petitions, screech about it, etc. They've shown that they can seriously cripple anti-consumer practices, as seen with Apple.
>>1002421 PatricianTV was an 8ch anon? Interesting.
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>>1002422 He mentions making a screencap of one of his own posts talking about his predictions Fallout 76 and pic related is his posts. In one of his Skyrim streams you can find on his secondary channel plebtv, he mentions his involvement in Boston Salt Party, I think PrivateSessions was also in that one, and he also mentions how his dream is to become a journalist and that he would like to make a Gamergate Documentary that was neutral as in both sides give their side of the story, his biggest obstacle being that he did not have any connections that were anti GamerGate to give their side of the story. Sage and spoilered for offtopic.
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>>954406 I remember the YouTuber Nerrel talking something similar to this but more on the side of emulation. It always bugs me that why companies like Nintendo will go anal when it comes to gamers playing niche games that most likely won't get a remaster or a remake. >>954608 >I think Ross and his main audience are just entirely clueless on Japan and its video games. From what could I see, it seems that the Japanese government and the companies doesn't give a shit when it comes to game preservation or any of its other media. Including the fact that many of the young Japanese have little interest these days in playing computer games since they mostly play mobile games like gacha. >>997971 He always does that shit for a long time.
>>1002961 >companies doesn't give a shit when it comes to game preservation or any of its other media Yeah. I worked for a manga publisher and it surprised me how many times the originals for many of the old works were lost, so we had to go through the old process of scanning+cleaning. This also happens with their animation and music industry. You'd think someone that managed to preserve their way of life and culture intact for thousands of years would learn a thing or two about preservation.
>>1002972 You can't just make one blockbuster hit but need continuous stream of content. So it's not suprising they treat entertainment as a whole a disposable product; consumable or a commodity if you're offending by the fact that your waifu is disposable. There is a clear parallel to pulp fiction industry with light novels and manga magazines. Cheap entertainment because it's printed on shitty paper and only in B&W to save on time and money.
>>1000956 Sadly my home country doesn't give a shit so unless I flat out con people into signing it there's no hope here but we're on track for that sweet Mil
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Germany has crossed the threshold.
>>1003260 I knew Germany was going to pass the threshold soon enough, but I thought Denmark and the Netherlands would do it before Germany, as they were much closer to it and needed less people. Maybe there was a big german e-celeb that talked about it, and his audience went and registered. We are also very close to reaching 300k signatures, as we are now at 292k.
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The ECI has surpassed 300,000 signatures.
I got a bunch of my friends here in spain to sign it last weekend while we were hanging out.
>>1003266 It's not just that, it's what countries have a big gaming audience that aren't frothing FIFA-tards or have all together stopped playing anything that doesn't directly come out of Gabe's cave of wonderous lending loicences and can also have rules in their constitutions about gambling, gaming etc. to really affect change. A few of these countries in Europe, even in the EU, don't have that sadly, so the big players in this race are always going to be central euro countries and mostly the non-slave ones, as usual. >>1003067 Pretty much; the start of these industries and the billion dollar shit it is now with an infinite amount of digital copies thanks to multinational translation sites directly launched from Shueisha's or Kodansha's or whoever's HQ over in Tokyo, for a global audience. There is also a silent understanding that otaku are the natural preservers of that stuff or that used to be the case, that's why Ken Akamatu launched his political career on the front of preserving manga/anime culture and shielding it from SJW/DEI shit. Japanese youth / GenZ, and a few of the milenials, care about PC games, mostly multiplayer shit if they don't ""game"" on their phone or read webnovels that are as disposable as fanfics and so are their manga adaptations, even if you get the odd gem like Goblin Slayer: Year One. It's slow at least, but some that are deemed to be culturally significant are now at least, trying to be kept, usually in "artist museums", last I remember the Go Nagai museums did have some original copies of the first edition of Devilman or something and some Mazinger Z stuff.
>>1004308 How's the speed? Picking up or slowing down?
>>1004517 Its sitting on 306.737 right now, seems like France and Spain are picking up.
>>1004517 >>1004529 It's amazing how quick this thing reached 33%, got Ubishit to backpedal on The Crew, and specifically just The Crew, and then people just kind of stopped. What's the matter with you? Do you want to live in a world of FEEFAH tier slop? On that news, apparently the EU is looking into passing even more laws to outlaw in-game currencies from mobile games.
>>1023973 Don't blame us, we're few. Blame normalniggers who do want to live in a world of FIFa slop.
>>1023973 >What's the matter with you? Do you want to live in a world of FEEFAH tier slop? The law is not going to be the one to solve a market problem. These practices are going to continue until people stop buying these games. And arguably even then, companies will still try to shove them down people's throats, which will result in people dropping gaming entirely because they don't want to deal with any of this shit.
>>1023973 I mean Ross did say in his video that there'd be peaks and valleys, and it's gotten over a third of the necessary signatures in less than 3 months. This is the kind of thing I think where it gets this big pop when it starts, and then some more significant contributions every few months after that. The hope is that more and more European ecelebs, or just ecelebs in general, pick up on it and use their faggy influence to actually get people that are able to take 5 minutes out of their day to fuck with the kikes who run vidya publishing corporations. I don't see this continually picking up steam otherwise so hopefully there's some French or Spanish or German Asmongold to pump this shit up a bit more over time. >>1025684 I do agree to an extent, however, outside of the potential preservation of vidya that whatever legislation comes of this could elicit, if this thing succeeds I really think it'll strike a blow to the industry that has fucked us over for so long. There will always be normalniggers that'll buy anything with a big name and publishers that'll take advantage of that but at the absolute least this will throw a pretty big wrench into things >And arguably even then, companies will still try to shove them down people's throats, which will result in people dropping gaming entirely This would be a good thing, honestly. If we're brought back to square one we have the future's equivalent of the 90's/early 2000's to look forward to.
>>1025716 Laws follow culture, and culture, demography. To get back to square one you need to bring back the people from square one. You won't find them in 2024 California where Sony Interactive Entertainment planted their headquarters.
>>1026204 Culture also follows laws though.
>>1026206 Culture and law both follow reality.
>>1026204 >>1026206 >>1026222 History has shown that laws and government can be completely disconnected from culture and norms. Such incidents that I know of are the Old Swiss Confederacy (Telling the nobles to fuck off), the American Revolution (Telling the British to fuck off), the Meiji Restoration (Dragging the country kicking and screaming into the 19th century), Prohibition (That time every American citizen became an outlaw), the Cristero Rebellion (That time every Mexican citizen became an outlaw), and every Socialist revolution (Destroying to the old culture for something that's more "genuine" despite having nothing to do with the country's history in ideals).
>>1026222 Not necessarily. People make laws and create culture (and some have a disproportionate influence on both), and those people don't necessarily make those to conform to reality.
>>1026224 >History has shown that laws and government can be completely disconnected from culture and norms. Yep. Culture and norms are not reality. >>1026225 Nope. A cabal of rulers create laws, not "the people" whoever the hell they might be. They make those laws according to their own interests.
>>1026228 If the cabal of rulers piss off enough people those people revolt.
So what's the chances this succeeds?
>>1026612 It doesn't really even make sense. If it doesn't apply to live service games then AAA studios will just make their games explicitly live service with zero implication of offline singleplayer activity, which they essentially already do. And there's no logic for this applying to just games either. So if you somehow managed to mandate live service games release server binaries when they product goes offline then you would also need to require that for every piece of commercial software because there's fundamentally no difference. So you either get a neutered implementation that doesn't really accomplish anything, or you get a herculean implementation that will likely result in a significant amount of malicious compliance.
>>1026630 >So if you somehow managed to mandate live service games release server binaries when they product goes offline then you would also need to require that for every piece of commercial software because there's fundamentally no difference That alone sounds like a huge win against 'smart' products or products that need an app. A clossial nightmare for said companies, but fuck them corpos.
The EU petition is stuck, I guess it was a long shot.
>>1026675 Good, fuck smart products and products that need an app. I pay to avoid that shit. I don't want my fucking oven informing Samsung what I eat.
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Update from UK >>973929. There will be no revised response from the government. Not surprised given the utter state of it at the moment but things seem to be a dead end here.
>>1040251 To be fair, doesn't Bongland have more pressing matters? Like the mass riots happening across the island due to the government trying to force illegals upon the population.
>>1040284 Protests, marches, riots and farmers are planning to spray shit all over government buildings on Tuesday. All while people are getting arrested for online posts. Shits fucked over here, but I don't think they would ever do anything anyway in regards to the petition.
>>1040284 What riots? There aren't any. You go to jail for taking a video of nonwhites. You go to jail for saying bad words about the dune coons who murdered your sister. Come on, man.
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Some more news from the Stop Killing Games Movement: >UK petition again The first one, didn't get a satisfactory answer, then there were elections and riots, so the petition, and I assume most, got cancelled. Hopefully this time, it will actually work https://petition.parliament.uk/petitions/702074 I might go to /brit/ and ask them for some support. >EU petition We managed to get the minimum of 7 countries over the threshold, and we are currently at 400k signatures out of 1 million. We still have 5-6 months left, hopefully there will be some major controversy, like Destiny 1 shutting down to make people panic -ign the petition.
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>>1063670 >Hopefully this time, it will actually work Bad news. https://archive.fo/fQrd8 https://petition.parliament.uk/petitions/702074 https://archive.fo/2I2W6 <Government responded <The Government recognises concerns raised by video games users regarding the operability of purchased products. As the lead department for video games, the Department for Culture, Media and Sport (DCMS) regularly engages industry representatives and monitors how consumers interact with games. We work with the Department for Business and Trade (DBT) as the lead department for consumer protection more generally. <We are aware of issues relating to the life-span of digital content, including video games, and we appreciate the concerns of players of some games that have been discontinued. We have no plans to amend existing consumer law on digital obsolescence, but we will monitor this issue and consider the relevant work of the Competition and Market Authority (CMA) on consumer rights and consumer detriment. <Video games sellers must comply with existing consumer law – this includes the Consumer Rights Act 2015 (CRA) and Consumer Protection from Unfair Trading Regulations 2008 (CPRs). We have provided details of relevant protections below. However, there is no requirement in UK law for software companies to support older versions of their products. Decision-making is for those companies, taking account of commercial and regulatory factors and complying with existing consumer law. There may be occasions where companies make decisions based on the high running costs of maintaining older servers for games with declining user bases. <The CRA gives consumers important rights when they make a contract with a trader for the supply of digital content, requiring it to be of satisfactory quality, fit for a particular purpose and as described by the seller. It may be difficult and expensive for businesses to maintain support for old software, particularly if it needs to interact with new technologies. However, if software is offered for sale that is not supported by the provider, then this should be made clear, for example on product webpages and physical packaging. <If digital content does not meet these quality rights, the consumer is entitled to a repair or replacement or, if not possible, some money back up to 100% of the cost of the digital content. These rights apply to intangible digital content like a PC game, as well as tangible content like a physical copy of a game. The CRA has a limit of up to six years after a breach of contract during which a consumer can take legal action. <A trader or third party can upgrade and improve the features of digital content so long as it continues to match any description given by the trader and conforms with any pre-contract information provided by the trader, unless varied by express agreement. <In addition, the CRA requires that the terms and conditions applied by a trader to a product they sell must not be unfair and must be prominent and transparent. If not, they may also be challenged and the question of fairness is a matter for the courts. Terms found to be unfair are not binding on the consumer. <The CPRs require information to consumers to be clear and correct and prohibit commercial practices which through false information or misleading omissions cause the average consumer to make a different choice. As such, the regulations prohibit commercial practices which omit or hide information which the average consumer needs to make an informed choice, and prohibits traders from providing material information in an unclear, unintelligible, ambiguous or untimely manner. If consumers are led to believe that a game will remain playable indefinitely for certain systems, despite the end of physical support, the CPRs may require that the game remains technically feasible (for example, available offline) to play under those circumstances. <The CPRs are enforced by Trading Standards and the CMA. If consumers believe that there has been a breach of these regulations, they should report it to the Citizens Advice helpline (or Advice Direct Scotland for those living in Scotland) which is a free service advising on rights and how to take their case forward. The helplines will refer complaints to Trading Standards and CMA where appropriate. Consumers can also pursue private redress through the courts where a trader has provided misleading information on a product. <The CPRs section of the Digital Markets, Competition and Consumers (DMCC) Act 2024 is expected to come into effect in April 2025. It restates and updates the CPRs into primary legislation, revokes the 2008 regulations and sets out rules around unfair trading. The Act: <Provides the Secretary of State with the power to add, amend, or remove a description of a commercial practice which are in all circumstances considered unfair <Provides clarification that someone facilitating supply or promotion of a product is a ‘trader’ and must comply with consumer law <The use of this power will be kept under review – any amendments proposed are subject to a duty to consult with stakeholders and approval by both Houses of Parliament. <Department for Culture, Media and Sport They basically said no because they looked at it and it didn't legalize baby rape.


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