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The Coffin of Andy and Leyley Thread Anonymous 04/19/2025 (Sat) 12:27:53 Id: 7472ba No. 1146349
Edited last time by Mark on 04/19/2025 (Sat) 12:37:26.
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Green twink thread
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Don't mind me, I'm just peeping on Ashley as she showers.
Replaying the game I noticed that ??? was called an entity when the cultist first summons him, it's not until you find demon summoning for dummies than it starts being called a demon. I admit I didn't pay attention to what it was called before but the people saying that entity was a retcon when it happens in the first few minutes of the game are something else.
>>1146619 I checked, and this has been true since the Game Jam version of the game. Bravo, Nemlei.
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>>1146446 NORMAL pubescent brother behavior, it's most likely the late 80's/early 90's, they have no internet after all, NOTHING incestuous here >but what about porn magazines and VHS pornos? S-SHUT UP
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>>1146619 Staying as workers for the demons/entities is still considered a failure
Apparently, a lot of people haven't figured out this simple trick. Lord Unknown --> LU --> LUCIFER
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I just want to know what was Douglas like considering Renee still unconditionally loves that boring and depressed doormat. Definitely something that needs to be elaborated on instead of constant bickering between Andrew and Ashley. So far everyone is an absolute trash except for Douglas which I feel pity for but I bet if his past is revealed, I'd hate him just as much. Fucking Renee selling her kids so she can goon with Douglas in a new house with a crappy garden. Regarding LU why didn't he altered his victims' memories and all that, it's simple. Demons love to watch humans play into their hand.
>>1146898 Thanks to that photo together we know for a fact Douglas WASN'T such a doormat when he met Renee, so something changed him dramatically later on in life. Couldn't be Renee herself, since she's a slobbering, loving mess towards him.
>>1146898 If I'm not mistaken, it was Douglas who brought up the idea of playing along with the Surgeon. He's not as innocent as he lets on.
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>>1146877 Named "light-bringer", as he will enlighten Andrew about the ways of outbreeding.
>>1146911 Also, a little something people seem to have missed - Nemlei said not only that Burial and Decay won't share content - she also said they won't share any connections. Which leads me to believe LU will be completely absent from that one, for example.
>>1146898 The pictures imply he was some kind of bad boy with the leather biker jacket and the wound on his face But he was always depressed too. They most likely understood eachother without having to explain it, like Andrew said to Ashley, and that made them fall in love >>1146911 His soul also starts roaring and going grime once you take Renee's soul away from him. When Renee's soul is let free she goes back to him and he starts calming down >>1146916 He was also planning to kill his dad with Renee
>>1146911 >>1146952 Yeah, I wonder what tied them together except for crazy teen love and children they don't even love.
>>1146959 There are two interpretations - either the "murder" was going to be targeted against Douglas's parents, or they wanted to abort Andrew.
>>1146916 >>1146965 >He was also planning to kill his dad with Renee I guess I need to replay chapter 3 because I wasn't paying attention.
>>1146966 There's also the question of whether Grandpa Graves is still alive. I hope not, because that would introduce a massive plot hole - Andrew and Ashley not contacting him during the quarantine would make no sense.
>>1146970 ? if Renee didnt got pregnant they would have killed Grandpa
>>1146990 The grandparents are most likely not alive since Renee is using the Grandma's necklace
Oh, I guess there already is one massive plot hole in the story. Why didn't Renee take up Grandpa's offer. Getting rid of Andrew (law school) and Ashley (boarding school) not only rids her of them as a burden, but also separates them. It's a dream come true for her, and she had no reason to decline.
>>1147024 Same reason why she boasts about how great and successful her kids are doing while on the phone with her mom. Pride. Accepting help would be the same as admitting that she was a failure as a mom like everyone around knew she would be.
>>1147024 I assume she couldn't have been bothered. She didn't call the police on Ashley, she didn't bother raising them, she gave 0 fucks about the until she profited off them.
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>>1147053 >Renee is pride >Andrew is lust >Ashley is greed Probably not.
>>1146349 Remember you can use the archive button above the reply box or at the bottom of the thread to put threads in archive.is Only thumbnails will be saved though
>>1147053 >>1147055 That's not true, though. She didn't have any problem going to Grandpa Graves for money, it's implied she's already done that multiple times. And she despises him. Getting rid of her kids + not having to pay for them would literally give her everything she wanted, and she could still brag about how well Andrew is doing. It's LITERALLY what's she's trying to do in-game, only without getting her hands dirty in any way, and without any risk.
>>1147106 >cont. My take? Nemiel got too irritated by Renee's popularity, and decided to paint her in a much more negative light in Episode 2 than initially planned, but she massively overcorrected.
>>1147106 Damn that makes a lot of sense.
>>1147114 But doesn't Renee design only shows up for the first time in EP2, thus making her popular? And if you meant EP3, that doesn't really make sense when she made her relationship with Douglas so sweet, also kinda implied she would have fought for her kids and called in the lawyers if Douglas supported her and they didnt killed Nina
>>1147084 Ashley would be gluttony. Douglas could be sloth Julia would be so deep into hell for violence.
>>1147149 Yeah, I meant Episode 3. That doesn't explain anything, though. Once they killed Nina, she could've just contacted Grandpa and agree to his offer. And even prior to Nina's death she's completely given up on Ashley, so she would've immediately jumped on the opportunity to get rid of her, at least. And why wouldn't she want Andrew to go to law school? It was supposed to be COLLEGE, so when he's already an adult. So no, that's a giant plot hole. Nemiel allowed her own dislike of Renee, or irritation at people simping for her, to overdo trying to paint her as a bad guy.
>>1147192 I agree she should have accepted Grandpa's offer, but i think Nemlei hates shipping the mom with Andrew way more than the mom herself, thus her reaffirming her love for Douglas and making Andrew say he isnt into incest, just Ashley
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>>1147174 >Julia would be so deep into hell for violence. Self-flagellation is a Christian virtue actually
>>1147325 Are Julia simps just one guy (You)?
>>1147379 No, there's at the very least 3 others
>>1147421 Interesting... I can't be compelled to give a damn about her at all, she's just a side character like the gamer girl from the 3rd floor.
>>1147106 >She didn't have any problem going to Grandpa Graves for money She was lying though her teeth the whole time and trying to act like they only needed some cash because they bought a new car. >Getting rid of her kids + not having to pay for them would literally give her everything she wanted Letting the Grandfather get his way would also prove both of their families right about her abilities as a mother. Also more importantly than anything else. Douglas was against enabling his father's parenting ways, Renee was not going to jeopardy her relationship to get rid of a pair of kids she didn't give a shit about.
>>1147325 Suicide is not. successful or otherwise.
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>>1147379 we are legion
>>1147004 By the way, am I getting it right? Their parents planned to kill their grandparents. ...and decided to write a confession to them planning to do this, within walking distance of their grandparents house?
>>1147497 What is it about her that you like so much?
>>1147436 >She was lying though her teeth the whole time She doesn't have a problem with lying. >>1147436 >Letting the Grandfather get his way would also prove both of their families right about her abilities as a mother. And letting them starve to death in the quarantine wouldn't? She doesn't care about her image as a mother, as well. That's what I'm getting at - Nemiel made Renee (and Douglas) retroactively too vile, self-serving, ruthless and indifferent, which then clashes with their actions.
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>>1147529 she cute
>>1147529 Just don't respond to image spammers. He'll tire himself out in a few days without any attention.
>>1147543 >answered a question >hurr durr he's a spammer me thinks you might have cognitive issues
>>1147543 not gonna happen. the julia spammer has been posting julia on /calg/ every day for years no matter how dead /calg/ was
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>>1147529 She knows trees are made of wood.
>>1147541 >And letting them starve to death in the quarantine wouldn't? No, she is a poor victim who lost both of her children to an unfortunate event.
>>1147588 There's nothing in the game indicating she cared about public opinion. Otherwise she would've actually cared about Ashley's behaviour as a kid/teen, or her going to work at a "massage parlour." Instead she housed and fed a literal monster. Sorry, it's a plot hole. The Renee presented in Episode 3 would've sucked Grandpa's cock to get the deal he offered her.
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>>1147541 >Nemiel made Renee (and Douglas) retroactively too vile, self-serving, ruthless and indifferent, which then clashes with their actions Sounds pretty human to me
>>1147638 Read the rest of the exchange. The way Nemiel retroactively portrayed Renee's goals makes no sense for her to not accept Grandpa's offer, which gave her everything she would ever want (assuring Andrew a good future; getting rid of Ashley; separating the two; saving a shitload of cash; being alone with Douglas).
>>1147614 >or her going to work at a "massage parlour." I thought she did have a problem with that?
>>1147672 No, she figures Ashley is trying to manipulate her into allowing her to stay a NEET, not understanding that Ashley has absolutely no sense of self-worth.
Imagine if the entire game was a fic on Ao3. Would she have been fighting people in the comments the whole time?
>>1147875 She's too tight-lipped to do that.
>>1147875 >>1147906 You should have seen the early days when she was in the itch.io comments
>>1148016 Sure, but now she DFE'd and disappeared, essentially. Due to 4chan being down I can't even find a screenshot of that post where she discussed the planned endings.
>>1146877 Guitar Hero 3 moment
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What is your favorite scene in episode 3 (either route)? For me, it has to be Andrew going for 2nds after kissing Ashley in his dream.
>>1147431 She's a cute nice girl who has big tits, big ass and makes silly jokes What's not to love >>1147444 But she wasn't trying suicide
>>1148050 The plan is 4 endings, 2 for Burial and 2 for Decay. We have 1 ending already with Shots and Such. >>1117091
>>1147515 The Graves arent smart
>>1148155 >What's not to love She made Andrew DIRTY. She DEFILED him. Julia can NEVER be forgiven for that.
>>1148169 No, I mean a much earlier post, now deleted, where she lists that there would be at least one "unironic good ending," one "evil ending" and one "selfish ending."
>>1148192 Andrew was the one who defiled Jules because he was COPING about not wanting Ashley
>>1148284 And the irony of it all is that Ashley doesn't want Andrew sexually, and sees it more like a necessary evil to keep him. She's basically asexual.
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>>1148284 Who the fuck is Jules
>>1148255 well you can always try looking in the archives, but I'm not aware of any mention about three endings being good, evil, or selfish. I do know that in the second devlog she said that she wanted to tell us what kind of endings there were but wouldn't. Also that in the first Progress Report she had to clarify that Decay and Burial weren't just the "bad" and "good" routes. https://arch.b4k.dev/vg/
>>1148300 Ashley does wants Andrew sexually, Leyley is the one who sees it as a way to keep him around >>1148330 Jules is also a nickname for Julia
>>1148404 Ashley and Leyley are the same person. She's not repressing anything, she lacks even a smidge of impulse control. Plus she's too stupid to do that. We already see how her selfish ending looks in "_ in the box," where she gets everything she wants, and has absolutely no sexual inclinations towards Andrew.
>>1148404 Ashley is okay with sex but doesn't need or look for it. Her desires are emotional, not physical. Always were.
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>>1148434 nemlei confirms she has sexual needs
>>1148255 I think that whole thing was bullshit First time I saw people talk about those three endings was after coming here and there is no source other than someone saying that it was a comment in the steam forums
>>1148300 She is not asexual, it's just extremely low on her list of priorities and she has several complexes. Apparently, when drunk, she can get quite sexual. When sober, she doesn't think about it much outside of how it can benefit her.
>>1148460 She's arguing semantics here. The crux of the matter is Ashley doesn't care for sex. The reasons are different than just "she doesn't want to" - that's it. But she still gets nothing out of it.
>>1148460 Sex with Andrew is a danger for Leyley, because if she ever comes around Ashley will surely end Leyley.
>>1148481 >Ashley doesn't care for sex then she wouldn't say I don't wanna die a virgin while andrew is chasing her
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>HaHAHahaAHAHAhaHA why is nemlei like this
>>1148532 she's da joker baby
>>1148509 That and she wouldn't have been so hurt by Andrew's rejection that night when she first came onto him, if it was merely a power play to her.
>>1148532 millennial
>>1148532 It looks better than >HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA at least in these situations
>>1148568 She wasn't hurt because she wanted sex - she was hurt because Andrew rejected her. He is the only source of validation in her life.
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>>1146372 Considering we already have a self-cest game, why do people doubt Nemlei was going not going to feature full on incest in coffin. p.s Marion is cuter
>>1148144 That's a good one. I like all the scenes when A&A are teenagers. I was really into it. That whole sequence starting with their fight over dating Julia, then making up and almost being together, only to end disastrously is my favorite.
>>1148921 it ain't even a selfcest game when they didn't fuck in any ending
>>1148614 But what was Andrew rejecting? Something that was important to Ashley or not? It's more plausible that the rejection had such a strong effect because what Ashley was offering was significant to her. Otherwise the fallout would not have been too different from a typical fight between them.
>>1149328 See the "_ in the box" ending. It's literally the only time where Ashley's sprite is smiling, because she gets everything she wanted. And how is Andrew like? Even worse than Douglas and completely incapable of saying "no" to her. It gets very easy to understand Ashley when you take into account that you're dealing with a sociopathic child in an adult's body. Her mindset never moved past being a kid.
>>1148144 I really liked S&S, it was how i always thought they would end like ??? playing with the RC car was funny too Also Julia tongue
>>1148144 Princess scene was cute and sad, Andrew, you should have held her!
nemlei more like memelei haha
I dreamt about physically hurting my sister last night and it felt amazing... for a bit before I grabbed her and started apologizing. But even then I felt like I was mostly doing it because it was what I'm supposed to do
>>1150972 >baggy tshirt and panties Gottdayam
Anybody know anything about the Anon that planned on manually renaming every image from the new game files?
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>>1148144 Every conversation where they rip their hearts out at each other, and every romantic gesture between these two amidst all the chaos. It melts me, im such a sucker for moments like that
>>1149910 That ending is Leyley's desires ultimately fulfilled. Based on this post: >>1148434 we disagree on the idea of there being essentially two Ashleys: Ashley and Leyley. One reason I think the two Ashley idea is more plausible is because the whole game continually refers to the notion of both Andrew and Ashley choosing between two ways of being. Andrew makes this choice in ep3 explicitly. I support the idea that the post-dream sequence when A&A are teenagers was a move by Leyley towards becoming Ashley, but was stopped by the rejection. That Ashley had actual sexual desire, but since that time has not.
>>1150972 A shame we don't see Ashley's facial expression when she was whispering in Andrew's ear. If it was her usual smirk it would be obvious she was baiting him into saying "I need you" and that's it. If she was blushing to however...
>>1151035 Didn't he finish a little before 4chan died?
>>1148921 Is fucking yourself gay?
>>1151152 Andrew thinks so >>1151139 Based, thanks.
>>1151152 It's masturbation
>>1148169 Wait, i thought that we were going to have other two endings in decay part 2. So S&S was the first ending of that route? >>1148330 Former leader of the Saints
Anything I need to know before playing the meme incest game?
I keep hitting reply only to have my posts disappear into the ether >>1151112 I mean, I DID actually hit her once, but that's when we were younger. My dream played out exactly like the Coffin car scene though. She was being so fucking annoying until I snapped and just struck her across the face. There was such an immense satisfaction that washed over me after I did
>>1151202 Just that it isn't an incest game per se.
>>1151202 I didn't even know there were demons involved when all I knew of the game was incest memes. I was pleasantly surprised by my low expectations getting btfo, I should have picked this game up day fucking 1. Enjoy, anon.
>>1151202 Love your Sister!
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>>1151202 That finnland is based
>>1151197 >So S&S was the first ending of that route? Yes. I assume we are going to get more endings like Splat and _ in a box but as far as Nemlei's autism is concerned that was the first out of 4 endings.
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>>1151328 This was a major turn on
>>1151328 The hussy is defeated
>>1151328 >>1151340 >>1151353 >Ashley thinks she's being cucked in real time. >In actuality, Andrew was cooking the whole time. >Total Ashley victory!
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>>1150972 why was there missing text before rejection?
>>1151328 And there are still people who think it's all mental illness and he is not legitimately in love with her.
>>1151415 not sure what you mean, I don't make the images, I just take them and post them
>>1151415 I presumed he was just mumbling "Ashley" in his sleep. >>1151436 It is mental illness for him to be in love with her, but that doesn't make his feelings not legitimate.
>>1151415 It's to imply that Andrew was answering all of the questions Ashley was asking him in Andrew's wet dream(the answer was Ashley, over and over again). It's implied that he was saying this out loud in his sleep.
>>1151353 >>1151408 Guess who's back Back again
>>1151455 >Julia phone scene happens only in Cliffhanger >Julia break out scene only happens in Shots & Such The two scenes are mutually exclusive to one another. Both can't happen in the same playthrough.
>>1151486 Derp. I always forget that
>>1151486 And in both cases she completely dumps Andrew too.
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>>1151353 >>1151408 >julia got the best of him while ashley got julia's sloppy seconds >all current endings are positive for julia while ashley only has one positive ending
>>1151515 Unless they end up killing Julia in Cliffhanger or Burial, she will always get a positive ending by staying away from them lmao Killing Julia will also 100% end up in a fucked up ending for the siblings too so she keeps winning
>>1151495 >Shots & Such Andrew tries to manipulate Julia into taking him back so he can escape Ashley and the consequences of his actions. Here he fails miserably and crawls right back to Ashley, where Julia(probably at Jane's behest) lays the perfect trap to ensure Andrew and Ashley's relationship is forever tainted. >Cliffhanger Andrew goes in the full intention of burning the Julia bridge in front of Ashley. Not only does he accomplish his goal, but he also roasts Jane right in front of Julia and Ashley. Andrew also wins Ashley's respect and a bit more trust from her.
>>1151515 Thinking about it, it's possible that Ashley never saw the two together as a couple. I don't think there is any situation where the three are in the same room and knifes don't get involved. Wonder if anything would have changed if Ashley saw through Andrew's shit and noticed how fake he was about it all.
>>1151600 The truth of a matter doesn't matter to Ashley, though. She's completely in her own world.
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>>1151600 Ashley probably is so insecure that use Julia as a fallguy to keep festering the low self image she has of herself. Andrew even call her out that killing Nina was not enough, so killing Julia wouldn't be either. Maybe the greater barrier between the siblings is all their self loathing.
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>>1151600 Ashley did see through Andrew's shit because she was stalking them
>>1151668 I wonder how literal we're meant to take this. Obviously she was all over Andrew's relationship in the sense of her bothering him about it all the time. But I wonder if she ever actually stalked them
>>1151668 Was that supposed to be her actually physically stalking the two or more representative of her being a kind of "looming presence" over their relationship in the form of e.g. phone terror?
>>1151703 I think eyeball puzzle also implies she stalked them
>>1151724 >eyeball puzzle Anon... which one?
>>1151746 with the ashley eyeballs in vision obviously
>>1151724 I think that puzzle was showing Andrew hiding his relationship from her. Thought I'm not sure how that works. Whole school but Ashley knew he was dating Julia, I know she was a bit of a pariah but you would expect that at least one of her bullies would have said something about it.
>>1151837 Maybe it was more about not showing any affection towards Julia with Ashley seeing it, considering she threated self-immolation over it.
>>1151703 >I wonder how literal we're meant to take this. Completely. Ashley canonically has glowing demon eyes.
>>1151908 The puzzle happens just before Julia's ultimatum, when they were actively hiding it from her.
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ashley is made for the cuck chair
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>>1151942 Ah, true that I guess. In that case apparently Ashley really wasn't told about it by anyone.
>>1151975 >I rigged it!
>>1151436 It's mental illness on her part. On his it's more uncertain.
>>1151436 That *is* the mental illness.
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>>1152411 Love is the true illness, very poetic
OK, so since it's been brought up in other threads. Nemiel has stated in the past that there will be an actual "good ending," in a non-ironic way. How do you see it going about? And on which route?
>>1152496 Oh, I don't know why you're not there I give you my love but you don't care So what is right and what is wrong? What else can I say, it's up to you I know we're one, just me and you I can't go on What is love? Baby, don't hurt me Don't hurt me no more
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>>1151328 I really like how Andrew spoke in that scene, the obvious assumption is that he's talking to Julia but with how the scene plays out, you can interpret it as him speaking to Ashley instead and just using her insecurities over his ex and testing if she can "behave" to be candid for the only time ever
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>>1152629 >I don't care about your shitty love poems
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>>1152573 I liked the idea of the Natural Born Killers scenario for Burial.
>>1152573 If the good/selfish/bad ending thing is true Shots and Such is the selfish end, becoming demons or their slaves is the bad end, and in the good end ???'s vision comes true. How that works out in practice is anyone's guess. Maybe it's not so different from Shots and Such but they have a more stable situation and a clear path to a more loving, mature relationship.
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>>1152779 Stupid Ashley, you are to appreciate them
>>1152781 But that's already what happens in "Shots and Such."
>>1152887 I mean them embracing a nomad lifestyle commiting murders all across the landscape until it catches up to them, Bonnie and Clyde style. S&S is more of a failed marriage scenario
>>1152764 >interpret Did anyone think for over a second that he was talking to Julia? Why is that I have to answer a captcha every post now?
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>>1152920 The endings are supposed to be radically different from one another. Plus, Nemiel outright stated that Burial shares none of the events and connections to Decay, so I imagine it'll be very, very different. As to Decay's upcoming second ending, I don't think that Ashley will survive that one.
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>>1153199 Pervert!
>>1153199 pronebone
>>1152978 >Why is that I have to answer a captcha every post now? 8chan is STRUGGLING to keep up with demand.
>>1153221 >cont. I also think that at least one ending will be Andrew's consciousness going back to when they were children, and him stuffing Ashley inside the box instead of Nina or just outright sacrificing her in the basement to LU. After all, any outside observer that actually wants to help Andrew would immediately think "she has to go."
>>1153445 By the by, who is the administrator of 8chan?
>>1153467 >any outside observer that actually wants to help Andrew would immediately think "she has to go." Andrew would kill them before any of that happens
>>1153445 In other threads/generals, I heard something about people generally flooding and shit. Also that 4cuck might be coming back after the weekend, so I wouldn't be surprised if this is adversarial
>>1153472 Surgeon
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>>1153490 no way
>>1153445 I found the reason, some 4chan schizo started spamming the shit out of /xivg/
>>1153483 Pfff... are you serious? Andrew in Decay only refuses to kill her, at least on the non-game over routes, because he thinks he's too far gone to have a normal life, which is something he desperately wants. So if LU would actually be able to give him another chance, in return for Ashley's soul, he wouldn't hesitate for a second.
>>1153500 A lot of people were quick to call 8chan better than 4chan. But now that post volume and schizo count is increasing, I think people realize there's no place like home. I appreciate the 8chan guys for taking us in, but I really think everyone will be happier when we all go back
my piece of shit sister is very similar to ashley in behavior, a couple of years ago I dreamed of butchering her and burying her remains while I have no attraction for her, I felt really close to andrew in his struggle of having to deal with someone who refuses to grow up
>>1153532 >Go back Go back where? It'll be weeks before the site is up, and the genie won't go back into the bottle - the jannies will bring down the brooms 10x harder.
>>1153532 Damn, thread is so good tho without the usual /calg/ schizos. How many original 8chan fags itt?
>>1153532 I agree. This thread certainly feels a lot lower quality than the last one.
>>1153532 Nah, I'll be staying here for actual discussion. I'll probably skim threads on 4chin but it'll just devolve into the samefagging/pervasive shitposting that every thread always has. They won't fix anything that needs fixing and the jannies and mods will be as lazy as before
>>1153560 Who are the usual /calg/ schizos? Outside of the roastie that wants ??? to cuck Andrew
>>1153532 >>1153564 As opposed to 4chan, at least thanks to IDs you immediately know who the schizo is, since samefagging is made much more difficult.
>>1153532 >but I really think everyone will be happier when we all go back Speak for yourself. Coming back to that site is just a bad idea.
>>1153505 >believing Copedrew In the one path he does kill her he has a schizo meltdown then slits his wrists. Those are his true feelings. Making him not care about Ashley would solve his problem of having mutually incompatible desires but can he bring himself to go through with it? >>1153532 Yeah, as bad as 4chan was I don't like being a rapefugee.
>>1153575 I am not a fan of ID's, I don't like being identified >samefagging Overblown issue, at least where I hang out.
>>1153532 I think a lot of us were happier here because we got to avoid those schizos. If 4chan comes back I will probably hang around both places
>>1153583 He feels trapped with her in Decay. And he's right, he is, she won completely on that front. But given the chance at a normal life, especially if you'd include some "going back in time" shenanigans, he'd do it in a heartbeat. He hates Ashley in Decay, just as much as he loves her.
>>1153532 You COULD just use both
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>>1153572 moidposter, picrel and what generally felt like constant shitting up of the thread
>>1153604 I don't know if paranoia is getting to me, but i think that, besides 4chan jannie team being a bunch of useless dogs, if the site returns, they will probably keep on tabs where the 4chan refugges hanged out since then and target those sites. I don't like the idea of 4chan adding up to the lineup of the monopoly of the web (Xitter, Facebook, Google, etc), Also, after all that happened, its impossible that the users won't mock the team now more than ever, so besides having to make the site from the ground up, they need a new team behind, and im not sure that would turn out well.
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>andy is super horny and in love with ashley >doesn't understand why anyone would date her he thought leyley isn't attractive?
>>1153706 No, he thought she's batshit insane.
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>>1153706 he knows that she has a slightly problematic personality
>>1153727 >Nigger if post volume and schizo count is the thing that ruins things then the absolute last thing we want is to go back to 4chan. Anon-tachi, the point is that both will increase over time and 4chan has higher QOL. But whatever man, I don't get paid to get you to post anywhere. I've stuck by /calg/ for years and I'm not abandoning it now
>>1153575 Samefagging is how I keep threads alive. And besides, there are other reasons I don't like this website. The layout is less compact. The thread page doesn't show the thread's page number within the index. The reply widget's text box's content persists between closing and opening it. And just now, the site just informed me that I filled out a CAPTCHA incorrectly, despite not showing me a CAPTCHA. It's like a cruel facsimile of Web1 made by a Web3 developer with no care for the fundamentals.
>>1153706 I think it's because he's stuck between wanting to be normal but also in love with her. He can't sort out his mental perspective at all
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>>1153759 I like Ashley way too much man. And i understand Andrew falling for her completely. There is just something about cute batshit insane girls femme fatales that i just find unresistible and addictive.
>>1153806 >4chan >QoL ror rumao even
>>1153814 Personally I find that images take forever to load, I don't like how when you reply to a post you automatically go to the bottom of the thread. Little things like having the catalog open and then going to another board doesn't automatically have you at the catalog. 5 images per post don't inline well and are often cropped by the edge of my monitor, etc. Overall it feels really clunky >>1153847 You know I'm right!
>>1153806 >4chan >QOL LOL. Unless you mean 4chan x, which has nothing to do with the site itself.
>>1153784 I can fix her...
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>>1153827 if you love ashley even though you're not into incest you're really shallow. she's the epitome of modern western woman >manipulative >lies >wants to have more authority in relationship than her bf >shows a lot of skin >wears choker >too much makeup >doesn't want kids >tried to become a prostitute >aborted >acts like she has BPD >obsessed with a handsome abuser >she's a satanist >massive attentionwhore >assumes the worst about her bf >sees affection as transactional >immoral >doesn't respect her bf's boundaries
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>>1153806 >QoL >Fucking 15 minutes timer and email verification I, too, liked /calg/ a lot, and in fact it was the only place i hanged out in that site, but it was becoming a slog to use.
>>1153880 >15 minutes timer I must be insane for only having dealt with this once. The first time it came up, I had to sit through it. Ever since then it's literally never been an issue for me. Are you guys phoneposting or something?
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>>1153879 You're not wrong, but atleast she really loves Andrew
>>1153933 She doesn't love Andrew. She has no choice but to love him, specifically. Literally no one else in existence wants anything to do with her (because she's a monster) other than maybe stuff their cock inside.
>>1153979 >She doesn't love Andrew
>>1153879 I just like mentally ill women that might kill me.
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>>1153879 The thing about Ashley is if you are her "Andrew", because as >>1153933 pointed at, she is a great example of someone madly in love, even if is misguided. She has qualities of her own, only reserved to her soulmate. >Attentive >Supportive >Fierce >Passionate >Loyal >Willing to make a home, cooking and nurturing who she loves, even if she's not very good at it at first, she tries It's the simple things... I could make the best out of a girl like that, she could make the best of me. "Broken pieces that fits eachother" kind of thing. Also >she's a satanist >immoral Those are a bonus
>>1153879 You forget the most important. >will make choices that will actively harm her and her partner, even is she knows that, because she has zero impulse control
>>1153933 >>1154005 I'm not sure she can even feel love. in SnS she gets pissed because she finally gave him good sex and she can't name one reason why she loves him
>>1153869 Just the fact that I can use a vpn without paying and post here is already more QoL than 4chan, so I don't need to worry about if the site gets hacked (like 4chan) and worry about whether my ip and posts are going to get dumped on the internet, so I know you're wrong. The other shit is just nitpicks because it's not what you're used to because you've never used an altchan before
>>1154018 >in SnS she gets pissed because she finally gave him good sex and she can't name one reason why she loves him That's because she is actually really shy when it comes to that kind of thing, she hates being vulnerable
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Julia > Renee > Ashley > Nina > 202
>>1154023 >I don't need to worry about if the site gets hacked (like 4chan) and worry about whether my ip and posts are going to get dumped on the internet Tbdesu I'm not worried about my posts being dumped online. I'm dumping them online myself. What, are they going to find out I like Coffin? The horror! Beats having thread IDs. I'll take the risk of being de-anonimized over the certainty of being de-anonimized >The other shit is just nitpicks because it's not what you're used to Yeah obviously, what were you expecting? QOL complaints are always minor stuff >because you've never used an altchan before I've been using 8chan for years, but you'll choose not to believe me
>>1154120 You are seething over not being able to samefag. This is astounding.
>>1154100 Wrong and gay
>>1154129 ids are gay and lame this is just a fact deal with it
>>1154129 >seething God forbid I make conversation around here
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>>1154146 Julia is the best wife material by far Renee is Ashley if Ashley wasn't a satanic cannibal Ashley is cute Nina was a whore in the making 302 was a actual whore
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>>1154166 >>1154005 >>1151112 >>1148330 I love Ashley so much bros
>>1154129 It's not astounding if you're used to these types sadly. They want to act like a retard without repercussions. Thankfully we have IDs now so it's an easy filter.
>>1154175 >Nina was a whore in the making Neener did nothing wrong!
>>1154194 She was a bitch to Ashley despite accepting to become her friend just because she wanted Andrew (age 9 btw)
>>1154175 >Julia is the best wife material Julia is a whore who has sex out of wedlock with someone she doesn't love nor loves her
>>1154222 How was she supposed to know Andrew was a siscon thoughbeit
>>1154129 the fact that he thinks he's going to convince or convert anyone back to the hellhole is impressive, too Let all the shitters congregate when the hellhole comes back and they can smear each other in shit and talk to themselves, I'll be fine with hanging out with the newfags who like it better and the oldfags who knew better
>>1154249 How didn't she know? Julia, Friend B, and maybe Doug were the only people who didn't figure it out. Jane knew and she still didn't figure it out. She might have figured it out by Shots and Such but that still makes her *insanely* slow on the uptake
>>1154215 Ashley is a weirdo who bites people! Nina was being kind
>>1154277 When 4chan eventually gets back online, one of two things will happen: 1. They will immediately get hacked again, since absolutely everything about the infrastructure has been leaked. 2. Every single board will be a massive shitshow, since every single jannie has been completely doxed by now. And I don't think they'll find any new volunteers who aren't unironic schizophrenics.
>>1154299 >Julia does not believe in malicious rumors What a good girl >>1154324 >since absolutely everything about the infrastructure has been leaked. It's not like Yotsuba is a unknown engine
>>1154313 reminder that she was only friends with Ashley to get with Andrew
>>1154175 >Nina was a whore in the making If Nina was a whore for befriending Ashley just to try to get inside Andrew pants what does that make Julia who actually got inside his pants while doing the same thing?
>>1154313 She didn't deserved to die though, especially not in the horrifying way it happened
>>1154374 I still can't understand people defending Ashley. She's a literal, irredeemable monster, without a single positive trait to her.
>>1154372 Nina was way more upfront about it at the very least It's not like Julia and Nina were planning to have a cute and funny threesome with Andrew, cmon now
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>>1154372 A mega hussy flozie SLUT!
>>1154417 She's cute, that's redeemable enough
>>1154417 Ashley didn't do anything wrong
>>1154417 > without a single positive trait to her. She can bake!
nvm I like this site better fuck 4chin, once it's back up I will probably use both sites but morally supporting this one and hoping 4chin becomes irrelevant to me
>>1154417 Wife material
>>1154487 No please go away
>>1154277 We had a similar situation before when hotwheels opened up prime, but most people went back to halfchan eventually anyways. I can't imagine it will be any different this time.
>>1154417 she's too pitiful to truly hate
>>1154483 She bakes people.
>>1154483 andrew didn't even wanna try those nasty cookies
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>>1151202 Watch Hannibal season 1-2-3
>>1154522 Nailed it. She even gets more pitiful the worse she gets as a person.
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>>1154596 He was feeling more thirsty than hungry
>>1151202 >>1154629 And read Fire Punch
>>1154842 Funny how the entire story of Fire Punch can be summarized as Agni trying to fuck a look-a-like of his incestuous sister.
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>>1154842 >>1154928 >Shots and Such
>>1152496 Incest, dipshit.
>>1154842 I keep forgetting that Fire Punch is the most over-the-top incest work of fiction ever concieved
>>1155257 It's not though, the sister dies in like the first chapter.
>>1154417 She's hilarious, though, so she at least has that going for her.
>>1153880 >>1153929 You know, it can be annoying if you're phoneposting (i never got that timer more than once on PC) but i'm volunteering for another board and a bunch of schizos keep saying it's easier to evade here than on 4chan, and i think that timer plays a huge part on ti
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>>1154928 >>1155275 He not only finds her actual reincarnation, but also mindbreaks her to remember her past life and fucks her until the heat death of the universe
>>1155296 DUUUUUUUUUUURRRRRRRRR HUR DURRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRR
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>>1155332 Julia whispering sweet nothings into my ear...
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>>1155280 women "humor" isn't hilarious
>>1155339 Bro I have the original manga sitting on a shelf next to me.
>>1155339 But she did die tho, her doopleganger is not his sister
>>1155339 Her quiet whispers in your ear as you both drift to sleep
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>>1155416 >julia becomes your gf >she leaves you because jane convinced her you're a right wing extremist
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>>1155393 That doesn't prevent you from speedreading, I'm afraid. >>1155405 Wasn't questioning that.
>>1155480 why do I get the impression Jane would've talked endless shit about Andrew even if he wasn't a sisterfucking sociopath
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>>1155480 Jane IS the right wing catholic extremist anon
>>1155480 >anons make and post Julia being abused for months >Ashley ends up abused Divine retribution
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>>1155502 >>1155520 Jane saw this raging homo and recognised the dangers he presented to her impressionable little sister immediately. It was her role to protect her family from corrupting influences.
>>1155702 Based Jane
>>1155744 The female version of grandpa
>>1154417 She's fun and she sucks.
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>>1153221 >so I imagine it'll be very, very different. You can't have many endings that are very, very different and at the same time coherent with the characters personalities and the mood of the game. I believe that all of the endings will be variations of three basic outcomes; they staying together, they killing each other and they both dying by some external force. >>1153221 >I don't think that Ashley will survive that one. Remember that LU route originates from a full heart in Nemlei's chart, so I don't think there will be any fratricide
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>>1146857 Is it normal for siblings to peep at each other when they are teenagers?
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>>1156347 Shots and Such follows the heart so it's no guarantee of a happy ending either, and we did see this vision.
>>1146898 Granny Graves was also alright
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>>1155339 Holy fuggin' saved!
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>>1157275 if you get horny from seeing naked family members you're a porn addict or non white
>>1156347 >Remember that LU route originates from a full heart in Nemlei's chart, so I don't think there will be any fratricide Sure, but Andrew desperately wants to have a chance at a normal life in the Decay route, and hates Ashley and her decisions for having denied those to him. Plus he finally seems to realise just how much she's responsible for fucking up him and his life. And LU seems powerful enough to be able to do some time travel/consciousness moving shenanigans, and rewind time for Andrew to a point where his life was still salvageable. It's his price for such an act that's more interesting, since he seems uninterested in just harvesting souls.
>>1157275 No, some guy was just coping in a previous thread saying that Andrew only started feeling attracted to Ashley because he was a teenager without access to porn.
>>1153221 I've never said it would be happy, only that they'd end up together, like it happens in S&S. Even in Splat they end up committing a lover's suicide
>>1158867 I think it's fair to assume it will be on a happier side considering all ends on the shoot Andrew branch are bittersweet at best. I also really don't think there will be any true ending where they split up or establish a more normal sibling relationship, at most we will get a short fail branch like bitch in a box. At the end of the day this is essentially a romance story intended for women, Ashley won't be the one to lose.
Atleast Burial wont have the retarded camping part
>>1159439 It'll have a hussy kissing part
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>>1159518 ...With Julia's new bf
>>1159558 >Julia's new bf Me
>>1159558 Uh, I meant to post this one
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>>1159710 Exactly, Me.
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>>1159439 It'll probably have something like it. They get along better with each other but if anything they're even more psychotic towards everyone else. In Questionable they used their parents' souls to both see the sex vision so they'll need to make an offering to recharge the talisman again. In Sane only Ashley used it so they should still have one left, so maybe they won't kill any innocents in that one, but they could easily end up using it again early on like they do in Decay.
>>1159823 I made this post
>>1159209 >I also really don't think there will be any true ending where they split up or establish a more normal sibling relationship I'm 100% with you on that, I think there's no chance for them to develop a normal relationship or to separate by their own decision at this point. The only way I could see that happening is by some time travel shenanigans, which I guess could be ok for some what if short route, but would be too lame and gay for a proper ending. >At the end of the day this is essentially a romance story intended for women, Ashley won't be the one to lose. I'm not with you on that though, in fact you could even say that to some extent Ashley already loses in Splat since she didn't wanted to commit suicide, but she didn't want to live without her brother either. I suppose Ashley will get fucked, and not literally, in some routes, and the same will happen to Andrew in other routes, but they'll all be "bad" routes, like the Andy one.
>>1159859 >It'll probably have something like it. But it will be most likely better written than the camping part, is what i meant >family pack value >>1159866 Me on the left
>>1159916 Splat is not counted as a real ending by Nemlei, no different than getting shot by the cops. Thought lovers suicide is pretty romantic and I think it's more positive than SnS.
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>>1159950 >Milady >The current ethos >bad poetry Andrew is cringe sometimes. Is what it is.
>>1159916 >>1160177 The way I determine "endings" from "outcomes" is whether the game prompts you to restart after. IIRC, this doesn't happen for SnS or Cliffhanger, but does for every other end from Warden Wins to Splat. Outcomes prompt you to start over, endings don't >>1159950 Me on the right
>>1160278 What happens if you reach the end without the ring? it drops you all the way back in the forest?
>>1159950 >>1160177 >>1160278 I like Splat as an outcome better than Shots and Such honestly. It's unfortunate Nemnems doesn't consider it a "proper" ending. It certainly doesn't feel like all the "random asshole kills the siblings" fail states.
>>1160418 Dunno, never tried it
>>1160278 Is it just because both of them cut themselves
>>1160436 It's irrelevant to me if Nemlei considers it a "proper" ending or not, because it is in fact a great ending that works perfectly as a conclusion for the story. Even better if Nemlei keeps on giving us kino endings "for free" since she doesn't consider them "proper" endings.
>>1160436 Splat does ask if you if you have any "regrets" and you can just be booted back to the main menu if you want. It's like halfway a definitive ending and halfway one of the joke ones.
>>1160509 In a totally sane, well adjusted, and normal way; I would cut myself for Julia
>>1160258 He is the kind of cringe that girls like tho see: Ashley and Julia
>>1160840 My life for Julia
>>1161272 Inshallah I dedicate my life for Juliahad!
Do you ever want to be like Nemlei? I want to be a good artist and writer and make cool games too!
How the fuck are you supposed to figure out the first puzzle where you have to assign the facial expressions of the Graves family? I only get through that part thanks to a post in the steam community.
>>1163546 There's only 24 possible combinations
>>1161745 Cute!
>>1163546 Basic reading ability is needed to fully enjoy this game.
>>1163546 I think it helps to first guess that each expression besides the mask is used once. Then mad makes most sense with mom, blank makes most sense with dad, etc. One problem though is that the puzzle happens at the very beginning of ch3 so some people won't have played the game for a while.
>>1163546 Nigga just play the game >Renee is angry all the time >Dad is an expressionless NPC >Andy is annoyed all the time >Leyley is miserable because her parents ignore her
>>1163546 I got stuck on that one too, despite breezing through every other puzzle.
>>1163527 I want to do unspeakable things to that cat
>>1163546 It's funny. I was going to suggest the correct answer might have actually been that it's their overworld faces. Because it looked like that might have been the case. But looking it up now, no it isn't, at least not for the parents. If anything that makes it seem even worse because what's supposed to be the expressions they make isn't literally the expressions they make in the game.
>>1163700 To be fair, I thought Andy was the sad one and Leyley the annoyed one. That fit well
>>1163950 This fucked me up too. Not only do the faces not line up, I thought Big Pink was mom because girls are pink, so I had Big Green as the dots for a while
>>1163950 Yeah I think that the way it's partially their sprite faces (andy and ashley), and partly not (mom and dad), makes the puzzle not that great.
>>1164161 There should be a small indicator for when you get a face right (like a chair appearing at the table or something)
>>1163950 God the dad was so fucking useless Jesus fuck. No wonder everyone in that family is fucked up, no strong male energy makes everything degenerate without fail
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>>1164189 >has to provide by day >gets sucked dry by his succubus wife by night You try to have some energy after that shit on a daily basis
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>>1147024 Because it wasn't offered to Renee at all, it was offered to Douglas by his father. Grandpa hated Renee, so if Grandpa were to invest in his grandkids education, it was Douglas who had to agree.
>>1164000 Yeah dunno if anyone else had this but I was under the impression that the dad had blue eyes. Maybe because of his personality. It completely threw me off the "sheets = eye color" logic even though I should have probably should have guessed that was the case.
>>1163950 I just noticed how their expressions matches between eachother on the sprites >Andrew and Renee poker face >Ashley and Douglas sad face
>>1164358 >I was under the impression that the dad had blue eyes Anon...
>>1164521 That scene made me laugh pretty hard.
>>1164521 >Weren't you supossed to be winning son?
>>1164473 Having pink eyes make you sad. Having green eyes turns you into madotsuki/frisk. >>1164521 Yeah I didn't say I was right. There's already a picture of him a few posts above you. It definitely suits his depressed/meek personality though.
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>>1164786 >blue eyes = meek and depressed Elaborate
>>1164786 You probably thought that because his text is blue, and text color generally lines up with eye color
>>1164849 It's just red oni blue oni trope warm colors = energetic cold colors = lethargic
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Now I need to see more of these two.
>>1164900 >cold colors = lethargic Wait a minute...
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>>1164911 Me too >>1164922 Exactly
>>1164849 Being depressed is literally called "the blues". >>1164858 That explains a lot, good catch. Also shows that Nemlei is associating him with the color blue as well.
>>1164911 They are in Ashley stomach
>>1165094 Ashley and Andrew peeled the flesh from their skulls and tossed it into the fireplace. What a sad ending to their tale.
>>1163950 Ashley overlay sprite always looks so cute
>>1165193 They could had avoided such fate by loving their kids
>>1165307 >loving their kids Eww no, that's like hella gay
>>1165336 Ashley please...
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>>1165455 >tch, fucking thing is bothering me again. I have work, I don't want to deal with this shit Go bother your brother
>>1165447 >implying Ashley wouldn't simply backhand the little bitch OOC
>>1165563 Ashley is all talk, she wouldn't backhand anyone
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>>1165594 ...unless they really deserved it.
>>1165657 Andrew becomes snarky when hit while Ashley completely folds. Why do you think that is? Just a guy/girl difference?
>>1165831 Of course. A little girl would fold if her mom slapped her.
>>1165831 Being hit let Andrew know that he was finally getting to Ashley, which is always funny. The hit isn't a big deal because women are weak Being hit showed Ashley that the gloves were off and she was stuck with a man able and willing to hurt her
>>1159859 That's not how it works, in Decay both Andrew and Ashley saw the vision in the car when the trinket only had one charge remaining, so it only uses one charge per vision.
>>1165307 I don't know what they expected, you can't just leave kids alone all the time and then expect that they're raised and well-adjusted at 18.
>>1166043 Douglas was probably too depressed to care while Renee outright hates them. Poor kids never had a chance
>>1166043 that's why you kick them out the moment they turn 18 so they can bootstrap themselves and quit being childish in lala land.
>>1166043 >>1166166 Realistically they would find role models elsewhere, like Andrew would join a gang or something
>>1166175 They did. Ashley's role model was Andrew and Andrew's was /lit/fags
>>1165657 Is this the hardest we've seen Ashley blush, or has their been an instance of her blushing even harder.
>>1165831 Andrew does fold. Ashley wants him to leave and that's exactly what he does. The snark is just saving face, because like >>1165918 says he's a man and isn't afraid of her. He feels bad about getting her so upset and knows he should give her space. >>1165991 You're right. I guess I remembered Andrew worrying about it better than what actually happened lmao
>>1166203 Nah, it was only right there and back when they were talking in the tower. It's cute when Ashley has to face her romantic attraction to Andrew
>>1166203 Definitely the hardest she blushed
Important reminder before any of you start being jerks about Ashley
>>1166476 Andrew fumbled so fucking hard damn
>>1166476 This was probably the most mature stage of her life
>>1166514 It's funny how teen Ashley seemed much more reasonable than adult womanchild Ashley
>>1166476 Her sense of style is so off that now I am wondering if she might be have a mild case of autism. It would explain a lot.
>>1166545 She regressed hard after getting her heart broken by that dirty used goods manwhore of a brother.
>>1146349 >Would you fuck your sister? No. My sister is fat and ugly, also very mean.
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>>1166545 That's because she regressed back to Leyley after getting denied by Andrew >>1166551 She has that Chris-Chan style there
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>>1166551 And she's been wearing the same sort of thing since she was kid
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>>1166567 >>1166581 I wonder if Andrew realized that it's his fault after his therapy session with doc Unknown >>1166551 Ashley is definitely stunted in some way, she's even wearing a bunnychu medallion lol
>>1166651 >Ashley is always drawing people as bunnies since she was a child >turns out she made that medallion herself and keeps a pile of badly drawn comics of her OCs Fuck
>>1166651 >I wonder if Andrew realized that it's his fault after his therapy session with doc Unknown He does, but it's not fair to blame him for it. He was only two years older than her. He wasn't a very good brotherdad, but he did his best in a position he never should have been in at all.
I just realized that the Ashley selection puzzle has a right answer. I chose right the first time and just assumed you could pick whichever you wanted
>>1166907 Uhhhh which puzzle?
>>1166822 Given the crappy world they live in, all the therapists are probably bought by Toxisoda
>>1166907 Microbiology Ashley, my beloved
>>1166551 Either Andrew is the one who picked out her clothes to wear as a child, or she was simply the one who had to do it herself, leading to her dressing the way a child would dress themselves into her teenage years. It's kind of depressing to think about.
>>1166933 Nvm I misread for some reason
>>1165657 Why was she so embarrassed anyways?
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>>1166822 I'd like to see Nemlei write A&A in relationship counseling
>>1167224 Well she said that the "they should inbreed" thing was a joke yet she grabbed his dick. Andrew pointing this out embarrassed her because it made it seem like she actually DID want to inbreed.
>>1167224 Try to put yourself in Ashley's shoes.
>>1167352 My feet don't fit
>>1167388 Lose the toes and they probably can.
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>>1167388 Such is the lot of being a man, brother.
Is there any point where Ashley blushes over something sexual other than when she get's embarrassed about the inbreeding thing? Im pretty sure she's not actually asexual but its hard to pin down exactly what she thinks about the idea of a more intimate relationship with Andrew. >>1167344 Is Ashley not aware of how much Andrew wants to fuck her at this point?
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>>1167224 Ashley is a glasscannon and has the mind of a child. She can joke about sex and whatnot but when faced with the reality of her attraction to Andrew and the possibility of a physical relationship with him, she gets embarrassed. She's stuck in the "eww sex is icky" phase after getting rejected by Andrew when they were teens.
>>1167547 >Is there any point where Ashley blushes over something sexual other than when she get's embarrassed about the inbreeding thing? There's this, although I don't remember the context of this moment
>>1167547 >Is Ashley not aware of how much Andrew wants to fuck her at this point? She worries Andrew thinks she's unfuckable, due to her low self esteem. That's how I interpreted it.
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>>1167607 >She can joke about sex and whatnot but when faced with the reality of her attraction to Andrew and the possibility of a physical relationship with him, she gets embarrassed Women, am i right
>>1167224 Ashley is confused and insecure about her feelings for Andrew and his feelings for her. She tried to get him to have sex with her because that was her last-ditch effort to avoid the vision where he kills her. He rejected her and told her he wouldn't want to use her like that, so she was embarrassed but also scared because she thought that meant she was doomed. It also probably called back memories of the time a year before they went into quarantine where she tried to approach him more sincerely and he panicked and ran off. But then they kissed and he did his best to reassure her she was safe with him. She's starting to understand he wants her not as a hussy but for who she is, including romantically, but she's not quite there yet. Just like she's on her way to seeing Andrew as a person instead of a safe object to meet her needs but she's not quite there yet. All of this makes her happy but also confused and vulnerable because she doesn't really know what to do with it, especially since none of her old games work on Andrew anymore. And then they have a fight and Andrew shits on all of that. She is big mad. >>1167547 >Is Ashley not aware of how much Andrew wants to fuck her at this point? She is but she thinks he's just getting desperate because he can't fuck Julia anymore. He must really hate her if he's as handsy as he is but still won't seal the deal!
Ok, so, first off Put some mashers together for it And secondly The fact that this game has a cannibalistic Ashley is SOOOOooooo bizarre, because, a couple years back....hell, maybe even before 2020... Well, if anyone knows the Ashley of WarioWare, they'll probably know that there's a line in the Ashley's Song (English) that goes "and if you say no, you're toast!". Well, seeing as she's a witch, she can do magic. Sooooo, I visualized her ACTUALLY turning people into toast if they denied her friendship, and then eating them. And I was making a more.....voracious version of her song....cue This Game a few years later, with demons and magic and cannibalism AND AN ASHLEY! Soooooo yeah, also, she's ALSO kinda sassy.... It's like, how the fuck was my mind read like that?! And then it has my fave adult interest Bro-Siscest! Sooooo, yeah, this game is just a mindfuck for me....also, I'm pretty sure no one knows where Ashley's(WarioWare) parents are.... basically, it's a lot of similarities between 2 of my fave Dar(k)chetype girls!
>>1167745 So true sister
Just finished another play through and Lord Unknown I so desperately need what they have
Welp I guess it's time for my third drunken playthrough of episode 3. Let's see if I'm able to remember more things this time
>>1167778 Basically, some time before this game was made, I'm attracted to vore for some reason, and I like Ashley the Witch, so, I thought of making her song more on the vorey side...and then this comes out and it's just like THE FUUUUCK?! How?! The coincidence!
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>>1167547 >Is Ashley not aware of how much Andrew wants to fuck her at this point? She definitely doesn't understand him yet because she thinks her trinket/summoning are the reason he sticks around
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>>1167818 That does sound like a bizarre coincidence!
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>>1167818 Baader–Meinhof phenomenon
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>>1167786 Imagine any woman looking at you the way she looks at him.
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>>1168081 Find me somebody to love, find me somebody to love, find me somebody to love Can anybody find me somebody to love?
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>>1168201 Andy really should be replaced by Doug there
>>1168204 Not within the context of regret.
>>1167989 On the contrary, I've known about this since the first episode, I just don't think I actually put the 2 together until today...that, or I forgot, perhaps due to not knowing there was a place to post the weird happenstance.
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>>1167547 Actually I just realized that she does blush after Andrew kisses her to blow smoke in her mouth
Do you think she'll be contemplating about the regulation-by-proxy thing Andrew talked about?
>>1168208 The only regret in Renee's heart is not aborting
>>1168253 It was her first kiss after all
>>1167547 Who cares about Ashley? She's a one-note, sociopathic woman-child. As opposed to Andrew, there is no depth to her, since she's too dumb and lacking in impulse control to hide anything. We already got her "happy ending" ("_ in the box") where she gets everything she's ever wanted. Now we just get to see, as karmic retribution, just how bad she ends up on the other routes.
>>1168744 What a dumbass take, Ashley is probably the most complex character in the story, hence why she is the main protagonist
>>1168892 >Ashley >Complex No, she isn't. She's entertaining and fun to watch, hence why she's the protagonist. And it's entertaining to discover, step by step, just how much of a broken person she is. What you think is "complexity" is in reality "depths of depravity." It's a train on fire emerging out of the tunnel, and we're there to see just how long that train is. Andrew is complex. Renee has some nuance to her. Ashley is neither.
>>1168892 There's a lot of idiots who still don't get that you shouldn't take characters at face value. Ashley has a bunch to her character we have yet to get to. I also bet she'll be the most changed character at the end of some routes.
>>1151448 >It is mental illness >>1152044 >It's mental illness >>1152411 >That *is* the mental illness. >>1155188 >Incest A depiction of society? In my 8chan? Disgusting.
>>1168970 >Ashley >Change Good one, you actually made me chuckle at this one. She refuses to change, in any way, in Decay. In Burial it's Andrew who is changing to try and fit to her. She's completely one-note, and she's specifically written to be as such. Once again, what you mistake for "complexity" is discovering just how warped she is, and how many issues she has.
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>>1168892 Ashley is a simpleton.
>>1168892 I can't wait for Burial to shut the fuck up the anons who keep yapping about Ashley being "a simple character", just like Decay did for the anons who thought that Andrew was a "good" character under bad influences.
>>1169135 It will be great seeing the flashbacks from Ashley's perspective, specially their teenage days
>>1169135 Nobody ever claimed Andrew was a good person. He's a fucking cannibal serial killer. Decay just showed that he's much closer to Renee in personality than people initially thought. What people DID claim is that he's a much better person than Ashley. And he still is. And yes, Ashley is simple. Which isn't a bad thing. Not everyone has to be a puzzle box in fiction. It's her actions and reaction which are the entertaining part.
>>1153532 >everyone will be happier when we all go back Oh yeah, "for real for real no cap" as they say. I'm going to love going back to a /v/ filled with bait, ragebait and coomposting because 4chan's janitors are a bunch of incompetent pieces of shit.
>>1169156 There is no "going back." Once the site is up - which will take them weeks - one of two things will happen. 1. It will be immediately hacked again, since "weeks" isn't even remotely enough to build it up from scratch again, only patch the most obvious vulnerabilities. 2. It'll become a cesspool of shitposting, spamming, and bans. All the jannies have been doxed on Kiwi Farms, so they'll be shat on day and night. And nobody who doesn't have holes in their brains will volunteer to take their place.
>>1169152 >now he's trying to rewrite history to fit his narrative Yikes. I'll be ready to accept your apology in a year or 2, but until then I'm filtering these retarded takes.
>>1169183 Now you're coping. >Decay comes out. >Ashley is just as one-note a character as she's ever been. >"Burial will fix everything!" Two more weeks, huh?
>>1147084 >>1147174 >is afraid of losing Andy to anyone >always comparing herself to other girls >wears pigtails after Nina dies Ashley is envy. Or, with how violent she gets, wrath.
>>1168923 Just because she isn't very introspective doesn't mean there's nothing there, speedreader-kun
>>1169253 >doesn't mean there's nothing there You're using terms so broad they become meaningless, Cope-kun. She's entertaining and fun to watch. She isn't full of depth or complexity. And there's nothing wrong with that.
>>1169152 > He's a fucking cannibal serial killer But until Decay, he only killed out of survival, protecting his sister or revenge. Decay is the first moment in the story in which we see him cold-bloodly killing someone only for his own benefit. In fact, the way you can kill the child, without a moment of hesitation, is one way the game has to show you through gameplay how little he cares about other people. >What people DID claim is that he's a much better person than Ashley. And he still is. To argue who is better person than who would be pointless at the end, because that depends on each person's morality. What I would say though is that he's much more aware of the consequences of his actions than Ashley, and that gives him a sense of self-control and a necessity to appear "normal" to other people. He's a functional psychopath while Ashley is a destructive sociopath. And morality aside, what most people didn't saw coming is that it was him who felt sexual desire towards Ashley, which is a big twist to his character
>>1169274 >But until Decay, he only killed out of survival, protecting his sister or revenge. No? He murdered the apartment whore in cold blood. Nemiel even confirmed he would've killed her even if she didn't go for the nail gun first.
>>1169195 >No? He murdered the apartment whore in cold blood The scene from the vision room eliminates all ambiguity, it was done as a retaliation for her being a stupid bitch >Nemiel even confirmed he would've killed her even if she didn't go for the nail gun first I didn't know that, but if it isn't in the game I don't give it much importance. Even if it were truth, it would still count as a way protecting himself and his sister. The camping murders are clearly different. ffs he even reacts the same way, and nothing changes in his route, if you kill the kid or not. You can't tell me that was added only to give you a stupid achievement.
>>1169294 Fuck replying in 8chan is so fucking awkward >>1169384
>>1169384 >The scene from the vision room eliminates all ambiguity No? He literally says in Chapter 2, and I quote, "either way, we couldn't leave any witnesses." He would've murdered her no matter what. Dude, you're arguing semantics over something that's spelled out in the game itself, Nemiel's words notwithstanding.
>>1147084 >Andrew is lust speedreader Andrew is wrath.
>>1169384 You can watch the flashback of Andrew killing the whore lady in the vision room
>>1168923 >No, she isn't. Then how come people constantly misread the wet dream scene?
>>1169412 Maybe she should have just agreed to leave with them instead of making herself a problem if she didn't want to be a loose end to tie up.
>>1169412 Dude, you are not even reading my fucking post. I said that even if he were to kill her anyways, it would be so he could safely escape with his sister, so it would count as a way of protecting themselves. And you have conveniently ignored the part about how cold-bloodledly murdering a child changes nothing from Andrew's POV.
>>1169499 Andrew has psychopathic tendencies that surface when he's under pressure.
>>1169499 >it would be so he could safely escape with his sister Because a shut-in prostitute would've chased after them? He's trying to rationalise something he did out of cold blood, trying to assign meaning to it. He does it all the time.
>>1169412 >would've If he "would have", he necessarily didn't. His theoretical actions in absence of the lady going for the nail gun isn't evidence against the fact that he went for her because she lunged for the nail gun
>>1169152 If you think he's more than marginally better of a person than Ashley youre retarded and failed at reading comprehension. He's just as fucked in the head as Ashley, he's a sociopath with almost zero empathy for anything other than himself or Ashley. He's just a good bullshitter and tries to fake being normal. We still know almost practically nothing about Ashley. Almost none of the childhood flashbacks have been from her perspective which is where we got all of Andrew's indejewsharacterization from.
>>1169530 The whore could had snitched on them to the authorities
>>1169538 >indejewsharacterization How the fuck did that happen Indepth-characterization
>>1169533 >Says to himself he would've killed her either way. >This isn't proof he would've killed her either way! This is getting sad. >>1169538 >If you think he's more than marginally better of a person than Ashley He's a much better person than Ashley, but he's still a BAD PERSON. Nobody is claiming otherwise. It's just that Ashley is so cartoonishly evil no one holds a candle next to her, except maybe the surgeon. >He's just as fucked in the head as Ashley, he's a sociopath with almost zero empathy for anything other than himself or Ashley. Sure, but he doesn't become giddy he murdered someone as a little kid. >>1169549 >The whore could had snitched on them to the authorities She wouldn't need to. It doesn't take a rocket scientist to count the people who should be quarantined versus the ones present.
>>1169568 >>This isn't proof he would've killed her either way! Keep your wig on, you'll be okay! It's not proof that he killed her in cold blood. He killed her because she went for the nail gun
>>1169568 Do you think she would just stay in her apartment like a good girl after her way of life got cut off? Without the wardens she has to go back to taking care of herself and I doubt she would just ignore the entire locked up building
>>1169538 >he's a sociopath with almost zero empathy for anything other than himself or Ashley Wrong. He feels pity for Julia and Douglas. He becomes more psychopathic as the story progresses, though. Unlike Ashley, he isn't born with it. >He's just a good bullshitter and tries to fake being normal. He desperately wants to be normal, this is his core internal struggle. Keep up, kid. >Almost none of the childhood flashbacks have been from her perspective Can't wait to see how she started cooking and doing laundry. She's very domestic as an adult, and we've seen zero of that in flashbacks yet.
>>1169530 WELL I AGREE! He's a fucking psychopath, he's better than his sister in the sense that he's aware of the consequences of his actions and therefore tries to control them, he's worse in the sense that he's fully aware of the meaning of them and yet he does them anyways if they benefit him. Anyway, the extent of his psycopathy, and his incestous feelings for Ashley were things that most people who played episode two didn't saw coming, and we learned them because we played Decay as Andrew most of the time. And when Burial comes out and, I'll bet you the fucking my fucking jacket, we play as Ashley, we'll learn things about her that aren't crystal clear to us right now. Will she have the same depth as Andrew? I don't fucking know, but I can assure you she won't remain the mutt she is in Decay.
>>1169619 >He desperately wants to be normal, this is his core internal struggle. Watashi wa shoushimin...
>>1169629 >his incestous feelings for Ashley retard
>>1169619 >Can't wait to see how she started cooking and doing laundry. She's very domestic as an adult Maybe she was preparing to become Andrew's wife. Trying to become more femenine and useful so that she would be appealing to Andrew and make him come back to her
I like Ashley and think she's a complex character deserving respect.
>>1169697 filtered >>1169699 Ashley is a complex character who looks like a retard. Andrew is a retard who looks like a complex character.
>>1169412 >>1169699 >deserving respect Let's not get carried away now
>>1169709 ?????
>>1169727 wHat Do yOU wANt?
>>1169672 Holy fuck are you still in denial? How is that having wet dreams about your sister and spying on her as she showers do not count as incestuous feelings? How more obvious does the game have to be for you to understand?
>>1169738 retard Andrew wants to fuck her for multiple reasons. None of those are because she's his sister. In fact, her being his sister is the one reason he DOESN'T want to fuck her. He is explicitly anti-incestuous. He wants to fuck her despite her being his sister, not because of it. Incestfags are illiterate, I swear...
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>>1169699 Ashley is a complex character who deserves a beating and a dicking from her big bro.
>>1169735 Uhhhhh I want to be 20 cm taller I offer the above poster's soul
>>1169747 Andrew isn't into incest, but his feelings are incestuous regardless of it
>>1169711 The sonichu medalion isn't her fault.
>>1169747 >He wants to fuck her despite her being his sister, not because of it. Banging your sister is incest, anon
>>1169757 It's not incest if you don't cum inside
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>>1169747 You motherfucker brainless piece of shit, it does not matter for whatever the fuck reason he wants to fuck his sister, if he wants to fuck his sister THEN HE HAS INCESTUOUS FEELINGS FOR HER. Just because he doesn't fap to step-sister porn or he doesn't like to get called "onii-chan" as HE'S FUCKING HIS SISTER, doesn't mean he's not having an INCESTUOUS RELATIONSHIP WITH HIS SISTER
>>1169763 No homo.
>>1169763 It's still incest, just not inbreeding. >>1169757 >>1169753 >>1169778 His feelings happen to be incestuous by circumstance, he has zero incestuous attraction to her. In fact, he feels incestuous repulsion. Learn to read, cumbrained incestfag morons.
>>1169784 >His feelings happen to be incestuous Concession accepted
>>1169784 >His feelings happen to be incestuous by circumstance So they ARE incestuous as per your own words yet you STILL deny it. Were you dropped on the head as a child or something? This is some profound retardation.
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>>1169779 >>1169784 If you think about it, fucking your sibling doesn't even count as sex, it's more like masturbation. It isn't that big of a deal really
>>1169784 You are a complete retard who has no idea what incest means and thinks it's just a fetish to search for in porn websites. It's a waste of time to keep arguing with someone as dumb as you.
>>1169784 This is "how is it incest? They're family" tier. Andrew doesn't want to fuck his sister, he wants to fuck Ashley, but that doesn't make Ashley not his sister. He desires to invest her, therefore he has incestuous desires.
>>1169797 That's not the point, but if all you care about is the external reading, fine. >>1169798 That's not the point. Like I said, learn to read.
>>1169819 >>1169826 >the point <your head It's okay, not everyone is literate. Keep missing the forest for the trees.
>>1169808 It really isn't, if you think about it enough.
>>1169784 technically you are correct, but as fucking your sis is the definition of incest you are incorrect. However you can make a mental argument for example in the case someone commits incest but does not do it for incestous feelings but for lust
>>1169826 I guess I should be more charitable since you're at least understanding part of it. >Andrew doesn't want to fuck his sister, he wants to fuck Ashley Exactly. >He desires incest with her, therefore he has incestuous desires By circumstance, yes. The point is that this isn't the origin of his sexual desire for his sister. In fact, her being his sister is explicitly unattractive to him. >>1169878 Exactly. And all anyone ever focuses on is the incest, when that's damn-near beside the point. It'd be the same if Ashley was adopted, though obviously nowhere near as kino since then it'd barely be "forbidden love/lust" and a copout.
>>1169835 Your tiny brain has somehow come to the conclusion that if someone is concerned about the fact that THE WOMAN HE WANTS TO FUCK is his sister, then he's not having INCESTUOUS FEELINGS ABOUT HIS SISTER. How can someone have come to such a retarded conclusion is a mystery to me, I blame it on lack of education and therefore misunderstanding of the meaning of words.
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I just want an ending where Ashley's unrelenting selfish cuntiness finally pushes Andrew away and out of her life. She finally realizes how bad she fucked up and lives in longing and regret forever, crying herself to sleep every night.
>>1169937 Shut up Julia, go cut your wrist or something
>>1169892 >The point is that this isn't the origin of his sexual desire for his sister. In fact, her being his sister is explicitly unattractive to him. This is true but irrelevant. Ashley is his sister, so his sexual attraction to her is incestuous by definition regardless of their specific nature. >>1169937 That's just Splat except Ashley doesn't jump with him
>>1169895 >he still thinks I don't understand what incest is Boy oh boy, reading comprehension really has gone downhill, hasn't it. Let me spell it out for you again: <incest is repulsive to Andrew This is one reason he's an interesting character, otherwise he'd just be your average eroge protag. Are his feelings "incestuous" because they target his biological sister? Yes. Are his feelings "incestuous" because he explicitly wants to fuck his sister because she's his sister. No. It's the enmeshment, entangling of impulses, and co-dependency. By focusing on the incest part, you devalue the actually interesting bits of his attraction to her. >>1169937 Pretty sure it's bound to happen in Decay as a mirror of andy in the toy box ending. The other thing I'm looking forward to is the mirror of the cleaver scene where he holds the gun to her head and asks if she's Ashley or Leyley once and for all.
>>1169858 What a strange thing to say, I meant that it really is, if you think about it.enough.
>>1169972 >This is true but irrelevant. It's the only reason his attraction to her is even remotely interesting as a plot beat and worth talking about.
>>1169937 You are outing yourself as fundamentally missing the point of Chapter 3: Andrew is too a piece of shit who deserves his equally shitty womanchild sister. This stupid take of him being just a poor boy corrupted and abused by bitchy sister is absurd.
>>1169983 >This stupid take of him being just a poor boy corrupted and abused by bitchy sister is absurd. Nowhere did anon say that. Just that he wants an ending where Ashley gets the opposite of what she wants. We already had that with the Andy ending, for example. Do you think that ending implies Ashley was always right and a good girl just be being an option?
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How does one acquire this dynamic?
>>1169994 No, and you are right: I am tired and his wording made my assume that he was yet another braindead Andrew defender who still thinks this is a jap VN. There's nothing implying such a thing in his post, however, so it's my mistake.
>>1169982 You're a fucking retard, incest stories always have that beat, the people involved are not into a fetish, but simply have feelings for a person that happens to be their sister/brother
>>1169982 Again I agree, but that's not how words work. He has erotic love for his sister, Ashley. He wants to be her brotherhusband and for her to be his sisterwife. He therefore wants to commit incest. He doesn't like the idea of it being incest but that's what it is.
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>>1169937 >Are his feelings "incestuous" because he explicitly wants to fuck his sister because she's his sister. No. You dumb fuck, where the fuck have I implied that was the case? Just because "incest" for you has a different connotation than for the rest of the world, doesn't mean I have to abide by it. If he wants to fuck his sister, it's incest. If he's repulsed by that fact, it's kino incest. Andrew is the second case. It's not that complicated. But the term "incestuous feelings", by dictionary, still applies to what he feels toward his sister
>>1170002 Women who are actually into femdom, for themselves, and not just because you ask them for it? 1. They're extremely rare. 2. They are very often heavily into fag-hagging, as well, so chances as she will try to push you into getting fucked by a dude somewhere down the line.
Incest is best when the characters are deeply troubled and conflicted over the idea of an incestuous relationship but go through with it anyway.
>>1170132 I only see the opossite in porn
>>1170015 There isn't enough discussion about the implicit threat of rape in this scene, or how agressive Drew becomes for a second. You sort of see his Shots & Such character here, just a glimpse.
>>1169937 >>1169972 Its different because it leads into the secret good ending where Andrew comes back after Ashley matures on her own and they live happily ever after
>>1170153 > in porn Gee I wonder why.
>>1170021 >He wants to be her brotherhusband and for her to be his sisterwife. Well, this part is obviously not true, but I agree that it's incest bY DeFiNitiiON. I'm just saying it's not the point. >>1170003 Upvoted >>1170037 You're just hanging on to this conversation because you can't let go of the fact your first post about it was boring as hell. >>1170132 >>1170016 Every other example I know of is just positive on both partners or one child teaching it to another with no pushback. Admittedly, I'm not an incest connoisseur, neither do I dabble in many VNs or eroge anyway, so maybe I've missed some kino.
>>1170184 >Upvoted Oh fuck you
>>1170198 Don't let it get to you, anon. I was just teasing.
>>1170155 Maybe that's a possible outcome, LU gets rid of ALL of Andrew's inhibitions and gets what he wants ignoring Ashley's wishes
>>1170171 I think the "happy ever after" we are getting in this game will still be "happy" for the siblings but horrible for everyone else. I wouldn't put past Nemlei to wrap up the story with them becoming serial killers or something similar.
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>>1170132 I agree, that's why I dislike Oreimo, it's hentai-tier incest, there are barely any thoughts about the consequences and problems of an incestuous relationship. The thing that makes incest so hot is that despite of all the issues and complications that it would bring, the siblings love, or at least desire, each other so much as to disregard them. Kirion is hot af though.
>>1170241 It's the only pure Romeo & Juliet story that can be written these days. There really isn't any other "love" that's forbidden that isn't also obviously not romantic. >>1170235 Could be a neat Burial equivalent to S&S, but it doesn't strike me as a good conclusion to this story.
>>1170241 Also because BEST GIRL LOSES FUCK YOU I'M STILL MAD
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>>1170261 based
>>1170226 That would be quite the twist, specially if Andrew assumes LU is merely taking away his forbidden desire, only to then find out that quite the contrary, the only thing absent now are his moral guardrails. Full psycho Andrew isn't something we have seen yet, at least.
>>1170184 >Well, this part is obviously not true Andrew would rather tear his own tongue out than put it that way but it basically is what he wants. He straight up tells her he wants them to live a quiet, peaceful life together somewhere, and obviously he wants her romantically even if he doesn't fully trust her or consider that aspect of his feelings for her to be valid. What else can you call that?
>>1170235 are they not already serial killers? and seem to continue doing so by aiding demons. Theres an ending where Andy simps and Ashley keeps the demon fed while they live in the realm with him as her doll
>>1170261 >>1170269 I has been 13 years, get over it.
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>>1170184 >You're just hanging on to this conversation because you can't let go of the fact your first post about it was boring as hell. Holy fuck I have no idea what are you raving about. Well, I guess anything is preferable than admitting that you're a dum-dum who doesn't know the meaning of words.
>>1170270 >Full psycho Andrew isn't something we have seen yet, at least. In Decay he is perfectly willing to murder absolutely innocent people, for no reason and with no excuse. What else could he do without his "inhibitions?" People really are too hung up on this idea. In Decay he has already hit rock bottom, and from there two paths emerge: >he completely gives up, >he is offered a way out by LU, We see how the first turns out. "Shots and Such" are Andrew at his lowest as a person with agency. "_in the box" is his lowest as a person with no agency. So the second route will be something drastically different.
>>1170241 But it has that >>1170261 Nekofags STILL seething
>>1170235 That's literally what happens in "_ in the box" and "Shots and Such."
>>1170289 >He straight up tells her he wants them to live a quiet, peaceful life together somewhere In the context of them living together at all. Let's not forget that he also considers multiple possible options for leaving her, and feels okay with that because the demon will take care of her, whatever that means. I'm also pretty sure he hasn't given the "quietly ever after" part any actual thought since he repeatedly says he hasn't had a clue of what to do since they left their apartment. You could argue that him wanting to separate in Decay is due to the openly antagonistic nature of that route, but he's wanted to be apart at least as early as high school, possibly earlier. It just becomes less and less possible because the outside world pushes them together and pushes Ashley away from every chance to grow up and live her own life.
>>1170317 "_in the box" is hell for Andrew, and "Shots and Such" depicts a miserable end for both. Hell, the only ending that shows both of them being somewhat happy is Splat, and that's just before they hit the ground and become a gory mush. We have yet to see and ending in which they're both alive and, to some extent at least, happy.
>>1170350 We have, and it's called "Renee and Douglas." Which is why it won't happen to Ashley and Andrew, unless Nemiel will make some retarded "cycle of misery repeating itself" statement with that particular ending.
>>1170321 >feels okay with that because the demon will take care of her He doesn't feel okay with that, he's literally seething with jealousy
>>1170270 >>1170226 If I remember correctly, his deal was vague enough that LU could do exactly that. He wants him to turn into a tar soul too so getting rid of his moral inhibitions seems like something that would accelerate that.
>>1170369 I think it's very likely that there'll be at least one ending which will showcase a parallelism between Andrew & Ashley and Reene & Douglas
>>1170300 >the meaning of words Still on about that? Keep up, please. >>1170302 It's pretty clear that Something Kind won't be "helping" Andrew in any obviously positive ways, at least. >>1170350 There is no happy ending where our maladapted, enmeshed, co-dependent, trauma-bonded heroes are together and lead a "normal" life. The only possible satisfying conclusion that resolves issues must include some sort of sacrifice, acceptance, or separation. My thinking is, since Ashley is repeatedly talked about as fitting better in the demon realm, she'll ascend to big black orb and keep living there. Andrew lives like a normie, like he's always wanted, but Ashley continues to visit him in his dreams to keep the nightmares away, so they're in some way still in touch but not ruining each other's lives anymore. Something to that effect at least, these are pieces on the board and dynamics that are established already.
>>1170369 As far as im aware Coca Cola has always made unambiguously happy endings for her other VNs so im pretty sure this one will have one too. The question is just whether or not it will contain incest kino
I'm glad that no matter what, we can all agree that Ashley does not deserve a happy ending in any way, shape or form.
>>1170412 the happy ending is they accept eachother and bang >>1170424 booo *throws tomatoes*
>>1170396 >getting rid of his moral inhibitions seems like something that would accelerate that ehhhhhh Would it? Gotta remember that soul color is self-perception. Doing horrible things doesn't darken your soul if you feel justified in doing them.
>>1170432 >the happy ending is they accept eachother and bang We already got that, though? I'm confused why incestfags continue to clamor for an ending they already got.
>>1170424 Fuck off Nina, you're supposed to be in Floozie hell
>>1170396 > He wants him to turn into a tar soul too so getting rid of his moral inhibitions seems like something that would accelerate that. Once again, what would "getting rid of his inhibitions" even do? >He'll murder innocent people. Already doing that. >Become an abusive bastard. Ditto. >Have sex with Ashley. Ditto. As I said, he's already morally at rock bottom. There's nowhere else to go. >>1170412 >>1170416 >>1170403 My current take on the second Decay route is something other anons already suggested - that LU will offer Andrew an opportunity to go back in time, to before he killed Nina, and have a redo at life. The price will be either Ashley's soul; or that he will put her in the box to suffocate instead of Nina or, if this will be the "unironic good ending," that LU will remove any trace of Ashley's love towards Andrew while keeping his. A self-sacrifice, in essence.
>>1170440 Shut up already faggot, you know exactly what he means
>>1170433 Andrew wouldnt suddenly think anything he does is right or morally justifiable because he loses his moral inhibitions. He's just do them anyway because he's selfish and doesnt care, just like Ashley.
>>1170412 >Still on about that? Keep up, please. Yes, the meaning of words are important for engaging in any sort of communication >There is no happy ending where our maladapted, enmeshed, co-dependent, trauma-bonded heroes are together and lead a "normal" life. The only possible satisfying conclusion that resolves issues must include some sort of sacrifice, acceptance, or separation. I agree, but there will be many conclusions, and not all of them need to be "satisfying" to be good. Neither S&S nor Splat are "satisfying", but holy fuck they're good.
>>1170453 Yeah but he's still not a tar soul when he does any of that because he still regrets it or feels remorseful for it at heart. Pretty sure he only turns into a tar soul in the route he kills Ashley. Once he stops caring about morals at ALL, he'll be essentially the same as Ashley and hatch into a tar soul. Thus the incentive for LU to do it.
Can anon friends stop arguing over petty bullshit so we can talk about sibling romance some more
>>1170494 Only S&S is considered by Nemiel to be a "true ending" per her chart, rather than a dead-end. We still have three to go. >>1170499 Doesn't make sense to make a full ending out of it. It'll probably be one of the dead ends. It changes too little. >Andrew loses inhibitions. >Becomes Ashley 2.0 >Kills her. OK. So what? That[s good material for a 3 minute epilogue. It adds nothing interesting.
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I just hope we get to see more drunken Andrew in other routes and it isn't something restricted to S&S. Better yet, we could see some drunken Ashley, imagine how wild that'd be
>>1170530 >We still have three to go. huh, it's my assumption that we'd get 3 "true endings" for Decay and another 3 for Burial. So that'd mean that Decay part two will branch at some point, giving us two endings, given that S&S is already a "true ending"
>>1170432 >>1170453 >go back in time, to before he killed Nina, and have a redo at life That would be horrible, though I'm sure Nem isn't dumb enough to resort to such hackish writing. >>1170494 Sure, but a true happy ending like that also wouldn't be entertaining, though it would be entertaining as a joke at the expense of people who want one. Nem is not above doing something like that. >>1170499 >>1170530 He turns into a Tar-to-Be like Renee for one or more of the following reasons: >is suicidal >is homicidal and recognizes it's not justfied >allows himself to hate someone close to him while hating that he hates them and thus hating himself for it >>1170592
>>1170607 >He turns into a Tar-to-Be like Renee for one or more of the following reasons: >>is suicidal >is homicidal and recognizes it's not justfied >allows himself to hate someone close to him while hating that he hates them and thus hating himself for it to go. OK, once again... so what? What would that add to the story?
>>1170530 I imagine that Andrew becoming just as debased as Ashley would make them get along better than ever. You're also assuming it has to end there or even go that route. Plenty of paths that story beat could lead to, maybe Ashley prefers Andrew as he was so she tries to turn him back, maybe Andrew does become even worse than Ashley and the story turns to her trying to escape from him instead.
>>1170618 >I imagine that Andrew becoming just as debased as Ashley would make them get along better than ever. That's Burial.
>>1170547 She seems oddly anti substance Doesn't like Andrew smoking, not big on drinking Eating people though...
>>1170626 Is it though? We dont know how Burial is going to go, Decay was way different from what people imagined it to be too.
>>1170618 >maybe Andrew does become even worse than Ashley and the story turns to her trying to escape from him instead. I'm 73% sure that'll be one of the routes of Burial.
>>1170592 My actual reply got clipped. >So that'd mean that Decay part two will branch at some point The Coffin of Andy and Leyley: Ep4 Decay 2-Part 2 of the Decay Episode of The Coffin of Andy and Leyley Decay Part 2 will surely have more than a single end-state. >>1170618 Doing bad things does not a tar soul make. >>1170627 She doesn't like to see him hurting himself or wasting their finances. Again, she's become very domestic as an adult, looking forward to learning how in Burial. >>1170617 Not much outside of a dead end unless Ashley's reaction to it carries the plot forward. I'm not saying this is a conclusion. I'm simply looking at the two Tar-to-Be souls and trying to find similarities between Renee and Andrew after he tries to kill Ashley. Presumably, there's some consistency to how souls get colored the way the are. Andrew's souls changes after that moment to the same "type" as Renee's soul, so what do we know about Renee that is the same as Andrew but only after he tries to kill Ashley.
>>1170642 Decay was what I expected it to be. Obviously, if the siblings antagonize each other, there's going to be conflict between them. And we know how they both (don't) deal with conflict. >>1170643 This is literally what's in Decay already.
>>1170607 >That would be horrible, though I'm sure Nem isn't dumb enough to resort to such hackish writing. There already is time travel present, via the visions. If the demons can move consciousnesses into the future, they obviously also can into the past.
>>1170643 >>1170724 >There already is time travel present, via the visions. Whoah, I just traveled to Italy by looking at Google Maps Street View!
>>1170724 Anon, memories are memories
>>1170694 Ashley in Decay goes out of her way to stay with Andrew no matter what, she literally commits suicide with him because she'd rather be dead than not with him. She even begs him to stay despite the fact that she's absolutely terrified he's going to kill her. Burial Ashley would become disillusioned with Andrew for whatever reason and try to actually separate herself from him.
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>>1170724 >There already is time travel present, via the visions
>>1170732 Anon the visions are literal visions of the future, it implies that the demons have at least some control over time itself. Time travel isnt a very big leap to make.
>>1170745 >Ashley living alone. Andrew doesn't have to do anything, then. The retard will be dead within a week. Also, Ashley is literally incapable of functioning without Andrew, which is why she clings onto him. She has no other options, plain and simple. >>1170744 >>1170761 I meant the visions of the future. It's just moving your consciousness forwards in time.
>>1170745 >Burial Ashley would become disillusioned with Andrew for whatever reason and try to actually separate herself from him. I think mirroring and inversion are kino, but I don't personally think it would be very interesting for Andrew to try to stick to or kill Ashley so hard she has to run from him. At that point, everything interesting about their dynamic is out the window and it's just a chase thriller that's not particularly compelling. There's nothing interesting about this game other than interactions between the main characters. >>1170764 >>1170767 Whoah! I watched a YouTube video of 9/11! I was able to stop the terrorists while I was watching it!
>>1170775 >Whoah! I watched 9/11 happening two months before the event! My TV is awesome!
>>1170775 Filter'd ;^)
>>1170694 >This is literally what's in Decay already. It may seem similar, but in nature it's quite different. In decay, Ashley runs from Andrew after she makes him seethe and loose his mind, and that's the nature of their conflict; he's had enough of her bullshit, and we see most of this through Andrew's POV. What I think will happen in Burial is the "Ashleyzation" of Andrew, meaning he'll lose all boundaries, and without necessarily being hostile to her as he is in Decay, he'll still creep her out since he'll become completely unhinged and unpredictable. And of course this will be seen through Ashley's POV
>visions of the future <control over time itself lmao Though, I could see a retard like Ashley thinking like this, actually.
>>1170764 Clairvoyance is NOT time travel and has nothing to do with it
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>>1170791 >Andrew if I eat just 13 more people I'll be able to time travel! Why are you stopping me!?
>>1170789 I'm not saying it won't happen, but there is zero indication of it. Nor are there any structural reasons for the narrative to go there. It would also throw out the only interesting thing about the story since Ashley isn't complex enough to carry the plot on her own. Burial could remedy that, but it may end up feeling shoehorned as a result, if it's only in service to setting up what you described. Your jenga tower is too unstable and requires too many changes to established dynamics, I deem it unreasonable.
>>1170799 Its time travel adjacent. Again, not a very big leap in logic to think that the demons may have a way to make time travel possible to some extent. Could be as simple as sending a single THOUGHT back in time to sway a decision made in the past.
>They can suck souls out. >They can show you the future. >They can conjure physical objects out of thin air. >They have telepathy. >They have telekinesis. >They can read thoughts. >They can teleport physical objects and people. >But time travelling in any way, shape or form is too far!
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>>1170807 she should eat 13 more people so she stops having small ass and thin legs
>>1169973 You say Andrew doesn't want to fuck Ashley because she is his sister, but the only reason Andrew could fall in love with Ashley is because they are siblings. If they were not related Ashley would also be like all the other people he knows and not be able to understand him. Least of all because Andrew wouldn't let anyone else get so close to him even in the absence of Ashley. His emotions for Ashley developed and can only develop in the circumstance when they are both as intimately connected as they are from birth. Since incestuous circumstances are the only ones where he can develop genuine feelings, he must be incestuous as a default and his denials of interest in incest are simply another one of his copes.
>>1170835 We have absolutely no idea how Andrew would have ended up without Ashley around, so the speculation is moot. She's been chained onto him since early childhood, so is inextricably linked to his development. What can be said for certain is that none of her influence was positive.
>>1170818 >>1170819 Ah yes, the story where the consequences of your actions are a key theme will throw the baby out with the bathwater because "visions" are similar enough to "travel" that it could happen. >>1170835 Nah. There's nothing about them being actual siblings that changes their dynamic. It'd be the same if the only thing we changed was them sharing the same parents. The reason Ashley sees through him is because she's screwed up mentally and doesn't do the reasoning necessary to buy into his masking like everyone else does, she's perceptive like an animal. Andrew's bullshit only works on people. TL;DR (let me ftfy[fuck that, fuck you] so it's clearer) >the only reason Andrew could fall in love with Ashley is because they are siblings <the only reason Andrew could fall in love with Ashley is because they've only ever been around each other since childhood and had no one else to confide in
>>1170891 There's nothing wrong with an ending involving time travel in a story that has multiple different endings, especially if its well written. Simple as.
>>1170908 Didn't say that. However, the ability to delete the consequence of actions that created many of the problems the story centers around is bad writing, which is my point.
>>1170813 >but there is zero indication of it There are some indications for it, replay the ending of the Burial route in episode two if you don't believe me. You may tell me they are small indications, and that may be true, but then I'd tell you that there were even smaller indications that Decay would be so incest heavy, and yet here we are. At the end, we're all only speculating and we can't predict what Nemlei will do >your jenga tower is too unstable and requires too many changes to established dynamics You see, I think the only variance in the endings will be just that: changes to established dynamics. I don't think there will any time travels or any plot bending shenanigans, in fact I'll assume most "proper" routes will end with them together, but with different character dynamics.
>>1170924 Which is why I think the price for that will be something significant - either Andrew will have to kill Ashley instead of Nina as a sacrifice, or LU will remove HER feelings towards him, whilst leaving his intact.
>>1170951 I also wish at least one of the sub-routes/endings have someone from the other side of the cosmic scale make an appearance - an angel, saint, or some other messenger from God. Especially since LU is obviously Lucifer.
>>1170951 Andrew doesn't care nearly enough for Nina for this to be a plot point at all
>>1170927 Sure, but an inversion of their dynamics doesn't strike me as having enough value for the plot to go there. It'd be wasted screentime, imo. >even smaller indications that Decay would be so incest heavy Since before Episode 2 came out, I've been telling everyone that Andrew must have been peeping and perving on Ashley if they grew up in that tiny room. Ain't no way some wires don't get crossed if you're going through puberty in that little cage with a woman who's doing the same. >>1170951 It not being free doesn't make it well-written. >LU will remove HER feelings towards him, whilst leaving his intact This could work, however. It'd be interesting to see how Andrew copes in a world where she finds his need for psychological comfort creepy, clingy, and obsessive. At least in a world where he isn't sour on her like in Decay.
>>1170982 I don't mean he'll do it for Nina's sake, but that Ashley's death will be the price for LU rewinding time.
>>1170891 Andrew has some sort of ASPD, he has never managed to connect to anyone in his life other than Ashley, no matter how good someone is to him he never cares. If they met in the circumstance where they were not related Andrew would have avoided Ashley like most people in Ashley's life. The only reason Andrew was develop genuine love for Ashley was because he was basically forced to raise her from childhood, this let Ashley understand Andrew and allowed Andrew to come to love and appreciate at least parts of Ashley. Without their childhood the two wouldn't have even become friends as Andrew would still have been the popular kid while Ashley would be the weirdo everyone bullied or avoided.
>>1170978 >I also wish at least one of the sub-routes/endings have someone from the other side of the cosmic scale make an appearance - an angel, saint, or some other messenger from God. Just when I started thinking you're not a complete idiot, you go and say something like this... Do you not realize that the demon stuff is the least interesting part of the story? Followed closely by the organ harvesting stuff.
>>1171003 >The only reason Andrew was develop genuine love for Ashley was because he was basically forced to raise her from childhood, this let Ashley understand Andrew and allowed Andrew to come to love and appreciate at least parts of Ashley. 100% agree, though none of that requires that she be his biological sister, it just makes it much easier to set up without explaining and more kino
>>1171004 The "demon stuff" is the pillar of the story.
>>1171068 No that would be...the protagonists and their relationship Demon stuff is just a vessel to develop the story with, introduce conflicts etc
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>>1171068 The pillar of the story is Andrew and Ashley's relationship. Everything else is just there to provide context or a justification for it's development.
>>1171068 Please tell me you're a girl, that'd be cute as fuck.
>>1171111 Decay really ran the gamut on that pic
>>1171148 It was kinda dumb from the start since we know Andrew is the one who wanted to share a bed, but whatever, still funny.
>>1171148 It amuses me that S&S is, kind of, a combination of fig 1 and fig 9.
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>>1171175 It's just a fun edit of this so it's not trying to be 100% character accurate
>>1171019 and how would that work? If they were friends or neighbours Andrew can always avoid her, as for adoption- 1. the graves are too poor to get approved for adoption. 2. even if it was somehow approved I don't see Renee adopting a child or keeping someone as troublesome as Ashley. As a write you can try to force it, but without their blood relation Andrew and Ashley wouldn't be able to bond like in TCOAAL. Andrew could some way to avoid Ashley and Ashley herself would never see Andrew as someone special.
>>1171591 Oh, I'm not saying the plot could be any other way. Just that the blood relation itself is more or less irrelevant. The main point is that those two grew up together since infancy.
>>1171834 But it is, they can only bond when they are blood related. By your premise, it wouldn't matter that every fictional incestuous relationship didn't have blood relations when the blood relation is what allows the relationship to form at all. The dynamic does not require blood relation to continue but blood relation is what allows it to begin. Retroactively removing that blood relation does not make it irrelavant.
>>1172147 >But it is, they can only bond when they are blood related. That's a little silly to say. Of course, the pieces on the board are set up such that it's the best and easiest way, which is why it's also effective writing, but there isn't anything magical about them being related that makes their dynamic work, it just puts the pieces on the board without having to explain why they're there. My point is that any two people with those specific mental attributes who grow up in that same environment would turn out the same way, the blood relation is just the best way to set that up without further explanation and adds an extra niggle to it. There's nothing about it, inherently and in isolation, that enables the narrative.
>>1171834 Andrew's cope and a good chunk of the events in the game are entirely dependent on the fact that Ashley is his sister. Without that he would have no justification to not fuck her and dance around his desires.
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>Already the third thread to hit bump limit >While many others are still in their first threads barely breaking 100 replies Not even asking this to glaze this general or hype us up, but what the fuck does /calg/ have in different that we manage to be the most active general on this board? Did we just coincidentally manage to end up in the same place???
>>1172147 >>1172310 >Without that he would have no justification to not fuck her and dance around his desires. Maybe you didn't follow the conversation or it wasn't clear enough, but we're talking about the beginning of their development, not how it relates to the entire narrative. Obviously, if she was his step-sister, he'd fuck her raw without thinking twice. The point is that they don't need to be blood related to become co-dependent in the way they are.
>>1172313 >Did we just coincidentally manage to end up in the same place??? That, and the fact Burial Part 1 only recently released, and Coffin is a narrative game you can't really discuss anywhere else. Makes people into it want to talk about it in a way the average slop doesn't.
>>1146349 why do people say andrew is just as bad as ashley if not worse?
>>1171834 >Just that the blood relation itself is more or less irrelevant. If they weren't blood-related, Renee would be outright pushing Andrew into getting together with Ashley, since it would guarantee to get the two out of her life down the road.
>>1172634 Oh, and I also agree with the anon at >>1147024 - this one is an actual plothole, not just some niggle.
>>1172252 If you understand their mentality you will understand that their relationship couldn't develop without the blood relation. Appearing normal is central to Andrew's character, while Ashley is as far from normal as possible, and actively acts out. Without their blood relation they wouldn't come together. You say even without their blood relation they can become co dependant but I say without the blood relationship they would be strangers. Andrew has a tendency to avoid things that make him uncomfortable- his copes make that clear. The reason he can't avoid Ashley is their blood relation, and that plays a key role in developing the codependency. >>1172416
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>>1146349 is decay the right route? burial just seems like andrew finally going crazy alongside her, pretty much just burying whatever rationale and morale was left inside him but then again decay is such a depressing route too which starts with a massive strain on the siblings relationship and pretty much ends with them hostile with eachother.
>>1172700 The tricky part about predicting endings is that we know fuck-all about how gathering the starts will influence them - at worst, it will unlock some super secret "golden ending."
>>1172634 Again, that's something beyond the point I'm making, so sure. I agree with you, but you didn't actually reply to anything I said at all. >>1172661 How is that a plot hole? It's 100% perfectly consistent with Re-knee's character. She's too proud to ever accept someone's solution to how she should raise her children, especially someone like Grandpa's solution. >>1172699 >The reason he can't avoid Ashley is their blood relation No, it's because he sees himself as responsible for her, which is obviously made stronger by the fact he's her brother, but that could be just as true if they were not blood related as long as he still saw himself as a brother. Again, you're missing my point entirely. Any two people with their personalities forced to grow up in the same room would end up becoming co-dependent. That's all I've said, it's a compliment to the scenario Nemlei put together.
>>1172786 i wonder if there will be some way to spare the parents since this is pretty much what breaks andrew and kills whatever hopes he had left for normalcy again. I also feel like their death was really forced and unneccesary. It would be funny if the big demon could give andrew some time looping abilities at a cost.
>>1172786 >>1172829 tarded posts >>1172700 >is decay the right route Depends on what resolution you're looking for. Decay is the route in which the problems are out in the open, Burial is the route where the problems are concealed in some way.
>>1172790 >She's too proud She literally makes deals with a man who tried to trick her into becoming an organ harvesting victim. She was willing to allow Ashley to become a prostitute. I don't know where people get the idea of her being prideful from. Also, Grandpa's solution would give her literally, in the very definition of the word, everything she wanted: >separate Andrew and Ashley >make Ashley essentially disappear from her life >have Andrew realise the potential she was still seeing in him at the time >save her a fuckton of money >give her more time to spend with Douglas The way Nemiel has written her in later chapters, she should've jumped at the opportunity. As others pointed out, I think she became too embittered by people defending/simping after Renee, and overcorrected too hard in the other direciton.
>>1146965 >His soul starts grimming if you take rennes away from him Really i don't think I got that event triggered in my playthrough
>>1172877 >tarded posts So what do you think collecting the stars will achieve, cretin? Unlock Ashley's lewd art? It's obvious they will have some narrative relevancy down the road
>>1172879 >She was willing to allow Ashley to become a prostitute. I don't know where people get the idea of her being prideful from. Holy speedreading, Batman! You are aware she was willing to do that BECAUSE she was prideful, right? Do I have to explain this to you? >Also, Grandpa's solution would give her literally, in the very definition of the word, everything she wanted: At the cost of admitting she was wrong to a man she hates and wants to prove wrong. Opposite of what she actually wants. >she became too embittered by people defending/simping after Renee, and overcorrected too hard in the other direciton Fully agree, it kind of ruins Renee's dialogue. Her actions are 100% consistent with her character though, that part is fine, just her dialogue is a bit cringe. >>1172911 >So what do you think collecting the stars will achieve, cretin? <lmao, this 14 year old Indian child thinks he sounds smart Anyway, since the starts are only visible in the vision room, the only possible logical assumption is that they will unlock a vision, one in the middle of the circle of stars. >NOOO, IT'LL UNLOCK A SECRET TIME TRAVEL ENDING WHERE ANDREW IMPREGNATES RENEE AND TELLS HER TO ABORT IT AND GETS HIS HAPPY ENDING lmao, this is you
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>>1173019 So many bad points in a single post.
>>1173019 >NOOO, IT'LL UNLOCK A SECRET TIME TRAVEL ENDING WHERE ANDREW IMPREGNATES RENEE nta but sounds incredibly based to me. then again i dont really get where this meme of andyxrenee comes from since renee basically hates her childrens guts and loves her husband in a similiar fashion ashley does andrew (in a better way though since ashley is more focused on manipulating andrew than wanting his love)
>>1173083 Douglas and Renee are basically "Ashley x Andrew - Good Ending+." I'm more interested what turned Douglas into such a spineless doormat. Couldn't be Renee, and we know from the photo he wasn't like that. I just hope Nemiel doesn't pull some "Douglas was molesting Ashley" nonsense.
>>1173068 Feel free to debunk a single one with something actually from the game. Unlike you, I bothered to read the funny little dialogue box at the bottom of the screen instead of just looking at the pretty pictures. >>1173083 I was joking. Collecting all the stars will allow Andrew to travel back in time and give Renee a coathanger abortion, collecting the final Super Star which is Fetus Ashley, or Fetushley for short. Then, by consuming Fetushley, he will recolor his soul to a Vantablack Soul and become more powerful than Lord Uknown, allowing him to travel even further back in time and groom Renee into a good girl so she'll be a good mother to him in the future.
>>1173143 >Feel free to debunk a single one with something actually from the game. No point, since every single one of your arguments is just mocking or saying "you didn't understand the story" in so many words.
>>1173171 >she's willing to let her daughter prostitute herself because she's too proud and stubborn to walk back on "get a job and move out" >she declined CHADpa's offer because of her pride and unwillingness to admit someone else may have a better idea of how to raise her kids than she does How do either of those points relate to you in any way? I'm starting to think you're too prideful to engage in this conversation. This is the second time you've gone "nuh-uh", you little brat.
>>1173083 >renee basically hates her childrens guts and loves her husband in a similiar fashion ashley does andrew People fell for her lies on episode 2 and there was really not a lot to show her love for Douglas then >>1173226 While you are right about Renee's pride, she didn't even get an opportunity to decline anything. Grandpa was talking to Douglas and he was the one to reject it.
>>1173378 >Grandpa was talking to Douglas and he was the one to reject it. You're right about that, but let's not pretend Douglas makes decisions in a vacuum without thinking how Renee might react. On that note, the vision with the surgeon(?) was kino. >Surgeon(?): Douglas my good man, I'm sure you'll make a fine choice. <Renee: All right, we wont lawyer up then. >Surgeon(?): I knew you'd see reason, Douglas.
>>1173134 >Couldn't be Renee why not? >Douglas was molesting Ashley impossible, the guy had a white soul.
>>1173439 >why not? Because she loves him to death and if anything would be a yes-man towards him.
>>1173439 >impossible, the guy had a white soul It's impossible, but that's not the tell for it. You can do the word possible shit in the world and still have a white soul if you felt justified. >>1173460 >>1173439 >Renee turned Douglas into a doormat This is wrong, but we do have a small hint as to what it could be. It seems like he was overfathered and undermothered. Chadpa is simply too powerful, suffocating Douglas to where he looked for comfort outside the home. Renee loved him for who he was and was willing to accept him without pushing him to do things he didn't want to do. If you want to be retarded about it, he got what he was missing from his mom from Renee, although it's a little more complex than that.
>>1173460 >if anything would be a yes-man towards him Absolutely not. We see that she's largely the one that wears the pants and makes the decisions in the relationship. Not because he can't or won't, but because "he doesn't know what's best for him".
>>1172790 And you are trying to take one factor for their codependency and trying to stretch it into to the whole thing. >Any two people with their personalities forced to grow up in the same room would end up becoming co-dependent. Random unrelated kids, especially of opposite genders, don't grow up in the same room up to their early twenties. And if you consider the circumstances of the Graves family, it is even more unlikely. If you try to remove the sibling from the actual circumstances they grew up in they become different characters. They are no longer the Andrew Graves and Ashley Graves we know, and you could be instead talking about any random codependent couple. They grew codependent not only because they shared a room growing up, it was because of Andrew being forced to raise a kid only two years younger, it was Renee's neglect, it was the aftermath of Nina's death and the genetic factors that developed the mental problems the sibling do have, The genetic factors are shared, and the forced to raise part only arose because Andrew was the older brother.
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>>1155257 Not even close. The Ogre Gods takes the cake at that. It cranks cannibalism and incest to fucking 11 when it comes as a main topic.
>>1173562 I agree with everything you said. I just wish you could understand what I'm trying to say. >>1173612 Does anything actually interesting happen in this or is it just edgelord stuff for the sake of it?
>>1173460 >Because she loves him to death really? thats your argument? after everything you've seen the siblings do for eachother? >if anything would be a yes-man towards him that literally never happens, douglas doesnt do shit, ever. he barely even exists for the siblings because of how much of a doormat he is. douglas is pretty much what andrew would become if he chose to be andy.
Unrelated, but the thread's shitposters majorly seem to come out during the US hours.
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>>1173652 >Does anything actually interesting happen in this or is it just edgelord stuff for the sake of it? Its a french comic. There is going to be lewdness, edginess, gore, rape, pedophilia and everything. At the same time it is sincere with its story telling and it builds a world and story that makes you hooked. There's entire pages explaining the world and it has some genuinely good and deep characters within the story.
>>1173662 >he barely even exists for the siblings Hence being the dot-eyes face from Andrew's perspective in that one puzzle. It's quite kind of Andrew to still respect him enough to say "let the old man have his rest". Maybe he wishes he could have some rest of his own or something. Either that, or it's just the path of least resistance since he doesn't like conflict or the unknown. >douglas doesnt do shit, ever He does really lack agency. Thankfully, Renee is looking out for him and he provides her an escape from a world that rejects her. Such a beautiful and layered mirror to Andrew and Ashley. >>1173760 >Its a french comic Ah, that explains it. I'll check it out then. An American comic with the same themes would be quite boring. >There's entire pages explaining the world Ugh... Maybe not then, loreshit is boring, but I'll still give it alook if it's written by European Frenchmen.
>>1173652 you are trying to say blood relation does not matter for their relationship, but is an important part of the image they have created about each other. If you remove that how they viewed each other at a young age changes, how they see each other as they grow up also changes and the final destination will be in a very different place from where we reach in the game. The blood relationship seems like an unnecessary adornment in their relationship but it is a key pillar that shapes their relationship.
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>>1173838 They're easily skippable and don't have any major impact on current characters dynamics and the story of petit. But I highly suggest to not skip over them, as they bring massive insight on how the world works and why the story plays out this way. You get a hint throughout the main story but you really get to know it on the "Books of". They're only 2-5 pages at most and they bring a lot of exhibition to how the world works at large and the backstory of the characters. It also feels natural unlike a lot of other loredumps with other stories.
>>1173957 It does make every point follow naturally from the previous, yes. I'm saying the scenario is robust enough that even people not related by blood would fall into similar pits. >>1174052 >It also feels natural unlike a lot of other loredumps with other stories When I write, I include lore where needed and only enough to not create confusion. If this does something similar, I'd be happy since there's nothing I hate more than a story explaining itself or its setting.
>>1170002 >Cultist I heard somewhere a theory that says, that the ritual setup found in the flashback where Andrew summom LU for the first time, was the place where Douglas and Renee would sacrifice grandpa graves. But in episode 2, Renee is confused about the witchcraft, and both lose their shit when "???" appears. It doesnt add up, am i missing something?
>>1174335 >I heard somewhere a theory that says, that the ritual setup found in the flashback where Andrew summom LU for the first time, was the place where Douglas and Renee would sacrifice grandpa graves. I hope not. That sounds lame as hell. >But in episode 2, Renee is confused about the witchcraft, and both lose their shit when "???" appears. It doesnt add up, am i missing something? To steel-man that theory, it's possible Dougy boy never shared that part of his life with Re-knee and also never successfully summoned anything. Captchup: 90(666)2 Uh, uh, uh... I sacrifice the time travel anon!
>>1174335 >>1174429 Following up, I can see him falling cult promises as a result of being overfathered and dipping out of the cult stuff when Renee brings comfort to his life. I think it's a dumb, moronic bit of fanon, but I can see it from a structural writing standpoint.
>>1174335 There is nothing to suggest that Douglas and Renee were involved in demonology. People probably connected the two things because Renee and Douglas' time capsule was found right outside that building. The demon summoning setup was relatively recent at least 7-8 years after Andrew's birth. It was probably some bored teenagers' smoking spot like Andrew thought.
I think the reverse rape scene is pretty well written, it's not often you see a sex scene where neither party really consents.
>>1174621 My only grioe is that we don't see anything
>>1170039 >They're extremely rare. why?
>>1174598 It's probably coming from whatever impulse drives the people that consume YouTube lore videos. They always need something to untangle, some kind of rubics cube to play with or "truth" to uncover. >>1174735 Not a common female impulse or cross-wired instinct is all. Women enjoy having structure and direction given to them that they can then navigate. Taking control isn't a common natural impulse outside of the motherly instinct when it gets cross-wired with their sexual impulses. >>1174717 It's not an eroge. Sex is for the story, not for your bongert. This is also why the "ugly lump" CG shows a fairly realistic shape for Ashley instead of an idealized one.
>>1168937 is this from some hidden route i missed? niggas did mention a hidden route.
>>1169222 >>wears pigtails after Nina dies I never noticed that
How will Ashley gain her self esteem in Burial?
>>1175042 These are edits of Andrew's dream in the cliffhanger route in Decay Part 1. In the game he attempts to kiss Julia, only for the dream version of her to turn into Ashley, to which Andrew continues kissing with more passion than he ever had for Julia. And now I'm not making that part up, he actually does that.
>>1175601 *And no I'm not making that part up
>>1173612 I keep forgetting that Fire Punch is the most over-the-top incest work of fiction ever concieved that isn't NASTY french garbage* there, satisfied?
do you guys think adding voice dub to the game would make it better?
>>1147084 isnt andrew pride? he basically tries everything so his parents are proud of him, so that society deems him as normal (going as far as dating julia just so others wont assume he fucks his sister), never takes responsibility (because that would hurt his own image of himself) and one of his major berserk buttons is when people dont respect that
>>1175714 Not really. But it won't hurt it either if the actors can match the inflection of the script. >>1175570 Realizing she's good at more than oat cookies and being a warm body that see through Andrew's bullshit. Ideally, she'll reconnect with whatever interest she has that made her really want that one particular job that rejected her and receive recognition for it from the outside world. This poor little sociopath had multiple chances to grow up, yet the world kept spitting in her face, driving her further into co-dependency. >>1175774 No, it's Wrath because that's the only one succumbing to has hurt him, so none of the other sins he exhibits can be "deadly" if they don't hurt him. >he basically tries everything so his parents are proud of him, so that society deems him as normal (going as far as dating julia just so others wont assume he fucks his sister) He desperately wants to be normal but doesn't seem himself as such. Can't be pride if he doesn't actually consider himself normal. <"I WILL be normal!" not >"I AM normal!" >never takes responsibility (because that would hurt his own image of himself) Although he is the cope-master, allow me to remind you of one line. <"Did something I do while raising her make her messed up like this? If it was my fault, I'm truly sorry..." (inner thought) not >"No, it's not me who fucked up, it's my parents!" We also see him feeling pitty for Julia and some remorse for everything he's done (hence the ghosts of those he's killed haunting him) >one of his major berserk buttons is when people dont respect that His biggest berserk button is when something out of his control gets in the way of his "plans". That's why he decides to kill the child, that's why he starts chasing Ashley with the cleaver, hell, that's why he originally threatened to hurt/kill Ashley in the apartment building, because unpredictability is what sets him off the most. This is non-negotiable btw, he's never reacted with killing intent to anything else other than something messing with his path to the future, and the reaction is always Wrath.
>>1175915 >His biggest berserk button is when something out of his control gets in the way of his "plans". nah its literally when people dont respect him. he hates his dad because he sees himself in him, the worst thing for him to happen is to become a doormat whose opinion is irrelevant and who gets freely manipulated. >That's why he decides to kill the child this is completely optional >that's why he starts chasing Ashley with the cleaver, hell, that's why he originally threatened to hurt/kill Ashley in the apartment building on a more general view, both happened because she failed to respect him and his boundaries, the latter more so happened because she brought up ninas death which is another huge one for him and something he never got over with. unpredictability is nothing new for him. its shown time and time again that andrew is really talented at adapting and moving on with things. its not the cause for what sets him off. he pretty much only reacts with killing intent whenever ashley fails to respect his boundaries but thats something normal, wrath doesnt fit him, hes not really an angry and violent person other than that and even then so far its just been for that one route where you heavily gotta fall into that and enable it.
>>1176061 >this is completely optional For you, the player. Andrew's internal thoughts are: <Next time I see that kid, I'm killing him. >unpredictability is nothing new for him. its shown time and time again that andrew is really talented at adapting and moving on with things lmao >its not the cause for what sets him off. he pretty much only reacts with killing intent whenever ashley fails to respect his boundaries These are related though. Also, let me remind you, both instances of killing intent directed at Ashley were either preceding or following an instance of him setting a pattern for the future and her disrespecting that boundary of his. Like I said, this isn't up for debate, this is literally what happens. No idea why you're misreading that. >hes not really an angry and violent person other than that lmao >its just been for that one route where you heavily gotta fall into that and enable it Yes, Decay is the open antagonization route, that's true, so it's obviously going to be the one with more examples of aggression. And, if Wrath is the point I'm pushing, then obviously the most aggressive route will be the source of most of my anecdotes. It's also the only route with content currently, but whatever. >only reacts with killing intent whenever ashley fails to respect his boundaries Yet he's pretty chill when she chains him up, lmao. You're not making a lot of sense here.
>>1176061 To TL;DR the above post: If what you're saying is true, then why are the only boundaries he gets angry at being broken the ones that have to do with his plans for the future. Are you saying he has no other boundaries?
>>1176213 its not about the plans itself my guy, the thing that actually gets him is that ashley never values his input and always does whatever the fuck she wants anyways making him feel insulted and disrespected. thats the huge thing for him. in the flashback we see him get really angry about when ashley told the demon she doesnt know why she keeps him around anyways. its a pride thing. same shit as her mother, definitely inherited that from her. here is the literal tv tropes page listing his berserk buttons. also, >why are the only boundaries he gets angry at being broken the ones that have to do with his plans for the future. this is most definitely wrong. now you are just pulling shit out of your ass. no idea why are you so bent on making the wrathful type or whatever.
>>1176292 >this is most definitely wrong. now you are just pulling shit out of your ass. no idea why are you so bent on making the wrathful type or whatever He explicitly threatens death two times, both times were when he warned her not to expose them to danger by doing something stupid. No other time has he actually had killing intent for her. Don't know what else to tell you, maybe try playing the game instead of watching on YouTube or something. >TVtropes Ah, I see, it was pointless to even try to explain anything to begin with. You could've led with "I'm a /lit/let", would've saved both of us some time.
>>1169152 >Ashley is simple (you)'re simple.
>>1176292 >>1176292 >its a pride thing. same shit as her mother There's a lot of parallelism in the story, and it's very kino, but it's never 1:1. Neither is it here, especially given how many times Andrew's Pride is easily worked against. It's certainly one of his core sins, but it's not the main one. In a game of pick-3, he'd be Wrath, Pride, Lust, in that order.
>>1176390 >He explicitly threatens death two times, both times were when he warned her not to expose them to danger by doing something stupid. he never threatened ashley with death when she fucked up her plans but because of the other shit she pulled AFTER, he literally always tries to deescalate the situation until he literally snaps. he is just not the wrathful type, he is cool headed and pragmatic, everyone has a breaking point, that doesnt make him what you want him to be. >>TVtropes Ah, I see, totally foreseeable deflection, you definitely won the argument with that my guy lmao >No other time has he actually had killing intent for her. this is also wrong btw >Don't know what else to tell you, maybe try playing the game instead of watching on YouTube or something. very ironic.
>>1176435 You've been going at this for like the past 12 hours
>>1176292 Man, you just cant pull out from Wikipedia and call it a day, 95% of the charm is personal interpretation of the story, come on now
Douglas was a lucky man
>>1176547 i dont care about personal interpretations though, theres nothing to discuss about in that matter. what i'm trying to state are facts and rights to which i dont see why using a reference is a bad thing to do. unless we are just here to fling shit at eachother with no base and all bias?
Teen Renee carrying baby Andrew with her to class because she doesn't trust grandpa/grandma or solo Douglas to look after him.
>>1176621 More like teen Renee leaving baby Andrew home alone because he should be able to take care of himself right out of the womb
>>1176674 She said he was easy to raise, he probably didn't even cried much I can see her bringing him to class, i hope you're taking notes for The Altar of Renee and Douglas, Nemlei
>>1176621 Think Renee was the alpha bitch in her class?
>>1176292 >TVTropes I will now filter this ID.
>>1176462 >he is cool headed and pragmatic lmao looks like someone bought Andrew's bullshit
>>1176708 Probably acted like it, but much like Ashley her bluntness and assertiveness likely pushed people away. Having a baby in tow doesn't help your social life in highschool either, and she probably got some harsh judgement from fellow students and staff alike. All that would just reinforce her "fuck everybody else" personality, I think.
>>1176776 It's very similar to how Ashley also gets dogged on by the outside world a lot, further galvanizing the shell she already put around herself. I like when Renee and Ashley have moments of similarity, it helps to show how each of our heroes inherited things from both of their parents.
>>1176690 >She said he was easy to raise Kids are easy to "raise" when you just leave them to their own devices and assume everything is going fine. I don't know how Renee could have known better, maybe she couldn't have. >>1176833 > each of our heroes inherited things from both of their parents. That's part of why I want to see more of the parent's backstory, to compare notes. Much like how Ashley is a more unhinged version of her mother, I wonder how much of Andrew's personality is in Douglas, only kept under better check like Renee.
>>1176776 >her "fuck everybody else" personality I wish, unfortunately she cared too much about ther people opinions
>>1176712 its a good site. i like going there after finishing a game. no idea where the hate comes from but thats nothing unexpected around these parts i guess.
>>1177095 Only so far as it would affect her, she never gave a shit what they actually thought. When neighbor hag was going to send in that noise complaint she wasn't mortified that her children embarrassed her, she was pissed that it was going to come down on her from the landlord. Same with Ashley's Mrs. Cunt teacher, Renee has absolutely zero respect for that woman but plays nice when it's expected.
>>1176759 Dude, your takes are horrendously bad. People blow you out each and every time.
>>1177153 It's supposed to be a wiki but they won't let me register an account without doxxing myself. I haven't the slightest clue what they're up to, but I'm not into it.
>>1177153 >Bowed down to advertisers and started deleting tropes and whole series that didn't fit their agenda. >Power tripping mods getting rid of anything they didn't like. >Retards passing their headcanon and full on misinformation as fact and any attempt to fix it got reverted.
>>1177193 >Dude, your takes are horrendously bad. This would sting more if it came from a source other than a time travel retard. >People blow you out each and every time. Saying "no" and using points that directly contradict the game is not "blowing someone out", sorry to say.
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why can't I "find in page" (you)s on this site on phone?
so i just finished the chapter, getting the cliffhanger. what the fastest way to experience the other endings without having to go through all the mind-numbing puzzles again? btw fuck captcha on this website. it's unusable
>>1177369 Makes saves at every choice point and use the run command to speed through the puzzles. They take less than a minute each with maxed run speed in settings.
>>1177340 >on phone?
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>>1177385 yeah but according to the chart if i don't have ammo in the gun then i'm locked out of most of the endings? and that was previous chapter
>>1177369 First, do you have bullets in your gun? Second, do you have a save before the Decay vision?
>>1177369 You WILL do the puzzles again You WILL restart from the beginning of the game if you forgot to set flag $A78 and overwrote your save
>>1177429 The first two episodes are really short, if you fast skip the text and remember what to do it takes 30 minutes tops to reach the route split.
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>>1177429 I think the "healthy" route is the only one I have left to try, I did S+S/splat last night. Now I want to see these two not suffer as much
>>1177340 The (You)s are implemented in CSS in order to prevent text selection from being able to go over them. I suppose this might also prevent text finding from working in some browsers. I do not know why the developers implemented this, but I can make a guess: >be me >complete fucking retard >post on 8chan >see someone make fun of my post >decide to Ctrl+C the post and repost it on Discord to pearl clutch about how awful of a website 8chan is >in my retardation, I forget to delete the (You)s >I am outed as an 8chan user By preventing text selection from going over (You)s, such individuals are saved the embarrassment.
>>1177429 >Only "Shots and Such" is labelled in Nemiel's chart as an "actual" ending. What did she mean by this?
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>>1177499 there's still plenty of 'find random item to proceed' >>1177490 it's a shame the dumb cunt nemlei masked variable/switch values. >>1177533 ashley getting slapped is the most cathartic scene in the game. same thing with apparently something called vision room where a random interaction from beginning of the game matters 10h later? why make it so annoying for the player? anyway i'll look for saves online and if i won't try any then fuck it. it does feel like a big "fuck you" from the devs
>>1177590 >Butthurt ESL Stay on topic, Ivan.
>>1177588 It's one of the conclusions where the plot isn't cut short and isn't otherwise a gag/fail ending.
>>1177609 "Leyley Wins" is fairly complete, as well. It's exactly what's on the label - she gets everything she ever wanted.
>>1177635 Leyley winning is not a "valid" conclusion to the plot since it's out of character for Andrew to give up on his main complex. Not so far out of character it gets given the brain tumor vision treatment, but it's an "okay, you saw what happened, now back to real shit" type thing.
>>1177635 Or so she thinks. I don't think Andrew is going to last on that ending, he will either jump to his death or fade away This captcha sucks. you need to be a bot to read this shit.
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>>1177720 What kind of a face does she make while cutting herself?
>>1177597 >ashley getting slapped is the most cathartic scene in the game. Getting her ass beat in S+S as well, she'd had that coming for a long time even if it was sad to see her like that.
>>1177720 Shs'so cute
>>1177732 I appreciate how Nemlei wove violence and lust into that segment since those are two core male impulses that keep getting mentioned and weren't acted upon much till now. Glad she kept her powder dry to pop off in that cathartic segment. >>1177747 Little round nose and freckles erotic... Makes you want to smash her teeth in so she gives better head. <this fantasy was brought to you by the cool-headed, pragmatic, calm and collected mind of Andrew Graves
Going back to a different topic - are there any hints as to what getting all the stars will do? >Unlock a secret/golden/joke ending. >Give a vision that will drastically recontextualise either the game and/or the siblings' relationship. >Something else entirely.
>>1177813 If they're in the vision room, probably unlock a super special vision. You already get different endings for some of the star actions, so I doubt a actual proper ending will be hidden behind collecting them. A joke ending for sure, but nothing serious.
>>1177813 I'm betting on the stars unlocking the completely good and true ending
>>1177813 A future vision according to the entity. Given that the only way to get all the stars is to follow the cliffhanger route it'll likely be a future vision of that ending and it'll be about them being goodish parents to their inbred kids
>>1177813 You get those from picking the friendly and romantic choices so it will probably be something romantic. I don't think it will be a true ending overwriting the 4 main ones but I could see a gag perfect life that would disgust anyone who likes their chemistry.
>>1177883 except that one star you get from killing ashley bunny to put choker on cake. not a friendly or romantic choice
>>1177923 The kill leyley and have Ashley as his bride is not romantic?
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>>1177747 The cutest
>>1177958 it's just counter intuitive for players trying to get all stars
>>1177958 >The kill leyley and have Ashley as his bride is not romantic? It's certainly romance, but it's not very romantic, no.
>>1177958 This symbolism isn't immediately obvious for some of us. I "got it" in retrospect but not when initially given the choice.
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ashley can't pull off julia's fit. she looks goofy
>>1178113 But Julia can pull the Ashley fit, curious Are these captchas getting worse?
>>1178113 >>1178130 Girls with sharp features do find it harder to put together outfits, this is very true. >Are these captchas getting worse? Seems fine to me. I occasionally get a weird one, but just hit "Reload" till you get something legibile.
>>1178130 at least in 4chan captcha it doesn't matter if it's o or 0
>>1178113 I think she looks fine? Am I just weird?
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>>1177989 >>1178100 I played SnS first and got the feeling destroying the bunny was the right thing to do so I got the star without hunting it down, I might have missed it if I had gone for the cliffhanger first. Maybe there should be something you can add to the cake after keeping the bunny intact and the result get rejected like when you set Nina's item. >>1178150 >Are these captchas getting worse? Yes
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>>1178113 Best girls only fit >>1178130 Crazy how Ashley's look makes Julia look worse
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send me your saves i don't want to go through this shit again
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>>1178192 Actually, it was the WAY Ashley painted her nails that looked trashy (because Trashley) When Julia does it, it's cute
I feel nothing for Julia but pity.
julia's a whore she was ready to get dicked like a week after andy supposedly died horrifically in a fire, yet she was hung up on her friend dying for years? it doesn't add up, she was just pretending
>>1177813 It will be the epilogue for the decay happy ending.
>>1178155 >4chan captcha it doesn't matter if it's o or 0 I didnt knew that >>1178186 Ashley is cute, she just looks better with her actual fit
>>1178195 that's clearly the snake emoji🐍 my biggest issue is when it's c or e
>>1178223 >>1178248 Stop coping and go fuck your sister before more innocent people get killed, Andrew
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>>1178192 >>1178223 >>1178248 >trashley still seething after julia was drawn with biggest tits in the game
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>>1178281 >did you know trees are made of wood?
>>1178340 Julia is a filthy whore who stole Andy's purity. I am still completely baffled how there aren't more people disgusted by that. How can everyone just be okay with the fact that Andrew is dirty used goods?
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>>1178315 >teeth
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has anyone seen my daughterwife
>>1178389 I wonder what she'd have looked like if she got to grow up
>>1178376 Retarded girls are the cutest Ashley is the cutest when she's retarded too >>1178389 You must be going postal looking for your daughter laugh anon, maybe you should start thinking outside the box
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>>1178340 She's MY good Christian girl who I've made totally indecent
did you kill the kid or not?
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>>1178434 Exactly like her
>>1178489 I did it to see what kind of person Andrew was.
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>>1178434 I wonder too
>>1178489 Leaving witnesses is always a bad idea.
>>1178514 >>1178505 Huh, I hadn't even noticed. >>1178489 No witnesses, anon.
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>anon how can you be so hateful towards ni- africans >all races are equal to God >jane was right...we should go our separate ways
>>1178541 >>1178551 If you're on the route when Ashley doesn't kill the parents like a retard, leaving him alive is actually better. It's just a kid who's parents just fell into a coma, who's going to believe his witness accounts when he's clearly panicking.
>>1178585 >If you're on the route when Ashley doesn't kill the parents like a retard, leaving him alive is actually better. That route is fully wrapped up anyway. Thanks for reminding me, I need a name for the route that currently ends completely. I dub thee, BBQ.
>>1167745 Reddit? Tumblr? Twitter? ... Facebook? Listen I don't really care, just get the fuck out and stay out if you're going to act like this. And no, I don't care if it's ironic because it's cringe all the same. Thanks.
>>1178489 No >>1178541 >>1178551 A worse idea was doing all the things they did in the camping part
>>1178622 Reads more like deviantart, if you ask me. fully toastetized and loving it!
>>1178567 Jane starts doing the opposite of what she did to Andrew and starts being the wingwoman of the relationship
>>1178489 Yes. The game does an incredibly good job at dehumanizing the kid and getting the player into the mindset of the kid as an annoyance and not, well, a kid. It's just yet another example of how Coffin is legitimately genius at player manipulation. Not going to lie, playing Coffin legitimately made me quit amateur game development.
>>1178676 Killing the family will end up biting you in the ass down the line
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Worked on something just for you lot.
>>1178642 They needed another talisman charge, anon. Though I do wonder how they could've gone about it smarter. Does ????'s soul stealing work via line of sight? Later on Ashley is able to sacrifice a couple of people who were walking by outside, so clearly sacrifices don't need to be in or right next to the summoning circle. Is there a range limit? Could they have set up the circle in the parking lot and just pointed in the direction of the campers' site like "them, take those guys"? >>1178676 The creepy sounds after smashing in the window did make me feel a little bad for him, but the little shit saw our faces and therefore had to go.
>>1178585 They are fucked either way, even if they didn't believe the kid about murder there would still be a bunch of mysteriously comatose cops and an abandoned car left behind, a car filled with Andrew Graves and some unknown woman's fingerprints. >>1178605 Cliffhanger is the route where she doesn't kill them.
>>1178722 that thumbnail made me think she was going to do the Specialist dance https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fTczCpIaLAU
>>1178725 >They needed another talisman charge, anon. apart from the hitman when has the talisman actually helped them?
>>1169784 is literally correct and >>1169797 you and everyone else are wrong. You're purposely not reading what's written, probably just to troll. It's extremely clear by the characters' actions and statements. >>1178155 It's hexidecimal here. You shouldn't be confused about that.
>>1178676 >rude shop keeper gets a sprite even though she has 2 lines >2 cashiers don't get a sprite >friend B doesn't get a sprite I don't get it
>>1169172 >2. It'll become a cesspool of shitposting, spamming "Become"? As I said, that's basically the state of 4chan's /v/ and what I expect to see once the site comes back. Coomposting with horny LARPinside to make Anons cum, bait to fish for replies and tons of ragebaiting inside the very few threads that discuss videogames earnestly.
>>1178734 >Cliffhanger is the route where she doesn't kill them. Yeah, I had a minor brainfart, I meant the other route, where she cooks the dude is fully wrapped up and needed a name for that.
>>1178790 I assume it's a small Burial tease. We are returning to the area on that path and the woman will be important for it.
>>1178734 Nah not really. There was no death or murder so they wouldn't have a reason to do a full investigation. The cops being in coma would be weird but most likely chalked up to some natural phenomenon.
Seems this artist is a dedicated parentsfag
>>1178784 <pink ID swoops in 10 hours later to defend character-centric reading in the face of knee-jerk pendantic faggotry Thanks, pink ID.
>>1178764 Ashley keeps holding out hope that it'll come in handy, if only because that justifies Andrew keeping her around (in her mind). In practice the visions seem to fuck with them more than help them, introducing more chaos and uncertainty. The other day when I was playing I had a random stray thought that ???? was just bullshitting about needing to charge the trinket, since it never gives any visible indication between "charged" and "uncharged" states. It'd be a pretty sneaky way to ensure that Ashley kept regularly feeding him souls. I don't think that's actually the case, but it made me laugh when I thought of Ashley getting duped like that. >>1178870 >The cops being in coma would be weird but most likely chalked up to some natural phenomenon There should be some X-files equivalent checking up on all this suspicious shit, there's definitely other people summoning demons (or attempting it anyway) and it's been going on at least since Andrew and Ashley were kids.
>>1178877 Coffin has revealed (or perhaps more accurately, reminded everyone) that there is a big market for stories of "horrible people who still genuinely love each other"
>>1178907 About time, Bonnie and Clyde trope is underrated
This stem guy is such an annoying faggot https://youtu.be/hCyZ-QWGDZE
>>1178954 >1k subscribers >34 watching Why are you advertising this literal who
>>1178489 I actually never considered the possibility of not doing it
>>1178966 in the early days his video came across my sight and I watched it, then this faggotzoid starts acting like a colossal moralfag and now he talks about how he is the only "normal" person in this fandom and making the fandom better lol
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I'll pretend nemlei wrote that to dunk on trannies and pronouns
>>1178989 It's said by a designated "bad guy" though, so it'd be more likely for Nemlei to support the opposing position
>>1178973 >I can simply leave him alive
>>1178988 He's genuinely delusional, he thinks he knows the devs and Put him in the game https://www.reddit.com/user/StemcelReddit/
>Nigga how is cyberbullying even real nigga just close your eyes
>>1179000 He's more of a joke character, but since every single person in Coffin is white and hot, I doubt Nems is too much of a libshit. Not more than the average European woman, anyway. >>1178907 There's a market for raw stories with raw dialogue and good aesthetics. This shit scratches the same part of my brain that makes VtMB my favorite game ever.
>>1179052 Somehow failed reply >>1179009
>>1178954 >>1178988 Just don't watch guys doing anything involving the game. They will almost always act like moralfags and be slow as hell to catch up on what is happening. Girls are more honest about enjoying the game and everything that comes with it, they usually catch the the incest subtext way earlier too, I saw a lot how already did by the scene where Ashley faints and wake up with her head on Andrew's lap as he plays with her hair.
>>1179000 Did Mrs. Cunt actually do anything wrong? She didn't like Renee very much, but then who would? Sure Ashley thinks of her as a villain, but reprimanding a student for swearing in class is pretty standard. >>1179063 >every single person in Coffin is white and hot, God it's refreshing to see.
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>>1179063 >since every single person in Coffin is white do not redeem the soul
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>>1179048 Holy schizo >>1179000 >It's said by a designated "bad guy" though The protagonists are bad guys anon
>>1179097 Redemption is no longer possible in this story anyway.
>>1179096 >Did Mrs. Cunt actually do anything wrong? No, neither did the hag. We naturally sympathize with the heroes but pretty much everyone in the flashback was right about Renee and the kids.
>>1179063 > but since every single person in Coffin is white and hot >and hot
>>1179097 That's clearly a spray tan
>>1179148 Not a person.
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Hey where's now a video games general board, should we move there
Is there seriously a captcha on every post now? Just let me buy a pass or something fucks sake
>>1179097 >>1179172 its a gypsy
>>1179243 make /calg/ there and see if it dies if you want
<3
>>1179148 All she needs is a nosejob
Weeping willow The pills under my pillow Weeping willow The pills under my pillow https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QiTc2I-F2co
>>1179243 There are multiple video game general boards
>>1179313 >greentext <pinktext Oh my God
>that one /calg/ anon from israel can't join us what a shame
>>1179634 >/calg/ Good, don't want to talk to general scumbags anyway.
>>1179634 Good riddance
>>1179634 RIP jewbro. He was around from chapter 1 days unlike 90% of the thread
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the alcoholic andrew ending went on for so long and actually made me emotional im a retard
>>1179634 >wanting to talk to jews Go away.
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>>1179713 Wait a second, thats not Ashley
>>1179097 Shouldn't this be an easy request? All the demon has to do is take eeryone else's soul in the school and, by default, she'll be the most popular
>>1179756 play the game. people have to be close to the circle for demon to take their soul
>>1179713 Frankly it's shocking that he didn't start boozing earlier, he's 22 isn't he? Surely he could've smooth-talked someone into buying for him at 18, I did and I'm not as charming as he can pretend to be. >>1179795 Ashley was able to point at some people walking by outside and it worked, but maybe that dorm was on the first floor and the pedestrians right outside the window.
>>1179148 She had to redo the circle closer to the window because the demon was too far away. It does have some range as he got the cops from somewhat far away but it can't be that large.
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This game made me realize what being lonely really feels like.
>>1179148 >this random one off npc got a portrait sprite over their dad I know there's probably a theme of douglas being such a doormat that he doesn't even get his own dialogue sprites but has anyone noticed Nemlei tends to learn towards being more likely to give people dialogue sprites when they are female? I initially thought "yeah that makes sense, sex appeal and all", but then I remembered Nemlei is a women and supposedly not a lesbian since she has a husband. Even the idea she's specifically appealing to her target audience doesn't quite work since that game apparently has a large female fanbase who have the hots for Andrew.
>>1178676 > playing Coffin legitimately made me quit amateur game development huh? why?
>>1179961 You're reading too much into it. Store bitch was either planned to have more content or will have more content. Also, Douglas did get a sprite in the visions. People tend to read a lot into things that happen just so because development is slapdash and things change all the time.
>>1179148 can you guys stop being anti semetic?
>>1179961 Douglas got a sprite though
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>>1179730 >picrel >>1179810 I feel like its because he always thought he had a way out. But at that point in the story he has realized he can never leave ashley so he really lays into the drink
>>1180054 >But at that point in the story he has realized he can never leave ashley so he really lays into the drink The script is pretty explicit about this since the first time he gets drunk is a moment of surrender. Oh well, nothing I can do, might as well get drunk.
>>1180049 i unironically styled my hair like this when i was 8 years old. i thought that shit was the coolest stuff ever. god this sprite pisses me off.
>>1179978 When the perfect (near-)solo indie game has already been made, there's no point even bothering to try anymore.
>>1180088 Are you me? Still looks cool though, just not in 3dpd
>>1180114 god, you are a fucking loser.
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I saw a wooden plank today and I got really excited.
>>1180122 If I were not a loser, I would not have ended up here.
>>1178973 Same. I only realised in hindsight that it's optional. In our defense the game's narrative kinda funnels you into it. >you're goal is to get the kid >you're expected to try and get him when going through the woods and doing that cave puzzle, literally can't progress if you don't >he calls the police and locks himself in the car, game doesn't tell you that trying to get him isn't the goal to progress anymore Hell the game doesn't even make sure you know that you're about to cleaver murder him by going right up to him.
total ashley death
>>1179961 >9 women to 6 men The difference is really not that large, it only feels like it because the Mom and Julia appear more often.
>>1180123 Not enough plank love ITT
>>1180177 It's genius. It tricks the player into thinking he doesn't have a choice, when in fact he does. In that scene, it really makes the player into Andrew.
>>1180177 I actually didn't do it the first time because it made me feel bad lol
>>1180023 That's an impossible task for 8chan.
>>1180183 why do i feel terrible for this shit to happen even though she objectively deserves it?
>Andrew is all pissy about Nina to this day >somehow murders a child in cold blood and doesnt even remember it anymore Felt out of character Yeah, i know, moral decay et all. Still felt OOC=
>>1180264 I failed to spare the kid thrice. I thought about it but hunting the kid down was king of annoying you know? it just happens by the time I remember I was trying to not kill him.
>>1180337 8chan too? god damn it... i thought this place would maybe be better..
>>1180245 I thought everyone loved Ashley, except this guy >>1180183
>>1180114 Nahh. I think tcoaal's success should be encouraging. It rose above the chaff because of its superior qualities, which shows that such work is rewarded. It's not like people who play this won't want other high quality stuff ever again. If anything they'll be looking more for it.
>>1180536 >It rose above the chaff because of its superior qualities lmao, let's not kid ourselves, Coffin is only popular because of the controversy
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>>1180568 It became popular because of the controversy, yes It keeps being popular because it's legitimately well written with a nice artstyle
>>1180384 If you thought 8chan wasn't incredibly antisemitic, then our reputation most have really gone to shit in recent years.
>>1180584 >It keeps being popular because it's legitimately well written with a nice artstyle The writing and art are wonderful, but no. It continues to be popular because vtubers tried to ride the controversy and ended up liking it, so they played the update.
>>1180649 >reputation I would bet that a vast number of 4chan refugee never heard about this place before coming in here.
>>1180681 > It continues to be popular because vtubers
>>1180568 For this to be plausible it would be necessary to provide examples of indie games of similar quality that have flopped
>>1180347 Because it's psychologically healthy to be put off by a woman being beaten.
>>1180205 Chapter 3 did a bit to balance things out. Chapter 2 had just Andrew and the Cult leader to six women.
>>1180743 Then why do they love it
>>1180725 love them or hate them, they're bringing eyes to the game there's no denying it
>>1180347 She 100% had it coming and I still feel bad for her. It's the male condition or something.
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>>1180347 the entire sns sequence just made me feel kinda miserable, nemlei just give me one ending in which they have a good relationship
>>1180568 >Coffin is only popular because of the controversy Yeah among normgroids. It got off the ground because of that but the only people that stay do so because of the writing. Normies only come around to bitch whenever an update or news comes out
I don't get why you guys say S&S was sad, i thought it was really good Splat was sadder by how Ashley didn't actually wanted to kill herself and way edgier by muh kill themselves in front of kids
>>1180817 >they're bringing eyes to the game Sure, but they are not the reason it is or continues to be popular. It is popular because it is good and fans of the game (not fans of vtrash) love it
>>1180725 >more than 3 million youtube views since Burial pt.1 released >went from 30 daily players to 3000 daily players You tell me which platform is driving the game's popularity, YouTube or where the actual game is available, on Steam. >>1180742 Flopped is a relative term, even modest sales can be a huge success for a solo dev. Felvidek and Look Outside are two recentish RPGM games of similar overall quality, and they're 10x to 20x less popular despite also having appealing art for the targeted niche and adequate writing for being more gameplay-oriented. >>1180873 >>1180890 If it wasn't for coverage as the result of the controversy, it would be a niche game discussed by a few anons on imageboards from time to time. Chubers have multiplied its popularity tenfold. I'm not saying that's a good thing, I think the game should be celebrated for it's writing, but it's basically just us that even acknowledge the writing.
>>1180890 >Sure, but they are not the reason it is or continues to be popular. there seems to be a fundamental disconnect in your brain, you seem to not understand that more people exposed to the game means more people playing and enjoying the game thinking that a good game just spontaneously becomes popular like it's a microbial fungus sprouting to life is absurd
>>1180681 god i can't fucking imagine watching some obnoxious cunt playing it, reading every line out loud in screeching voice and spending 30min on each puzzle "CHAT HOW DO I DO THIS ONE TEHEE" some people deserve death >>1180817 vtubers play black souls as well, doesn't mean it's successful thanks to them
>>1180743 do you wanna know something REALLY ironic though? i do have a ryona fetish. i literally play fighting games, pick the hot women and sometimes let myself get beat on purpose and get off to it. thats the perplexing part about it. why the fuck does this not illicit the same reaction? its good though. maybe this means i'm not completely rotten?
>>1180963 >black souls wtf is black souls also >doesn't mean it's successful thanks to them i didn't say they made it successful, but they've certainly helped make it more successful
>>1180989 >wtf is black souls baiting or newfag >but they've certainly helped make it more successful this can be said about every single game that a popular streamer picked up
>>1177340 https://greasyfork.org/en/scripts/533067-fullchan-x >on phone I don't know what's the state of web browsers on phone, but I assume Firefox and anything that isn't Chrome based can install extensions so use a browser like that and grab a userscript manager.
>>1180963 >>1180989 >i didn't say they made it successful, but they've certainly helped make it more successful 10 to 20 times more than it would be otherwise, to be a little more specific Despite that, only slightly more than half of owners have even finished Episode 2. Most have finished Episode 1, which is consistent with it going viral the first time.
>>1180817 Nah if you wanna go that route i've seen some normal youtubers and streamers with much more views playing this game. I don't get this place's obsession with thinking vtubers are the center of the universe...
>>1178489 At first I thought it was necessary to go back to Ashley, but when I found out that it isn't, and that Andrew reacts the same whether you kill him or not and it doesn't change anything in his route, I realized it was a great way of demonstrating through gameplay just how indifferent Andrew is towards any life that isn't his sister's. It's one of the few instances in which the gameplay actually supports storytelling and isn't just about solving the dumbest puzzles imaginable.
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I also dont know what black souls is exactly erotic dark souls fanfic thing?
>baiting or newfag bro, i've been in these threads since before chapter 2 dropped and i don't recall whatever that is being mentioned once >this can be said about every single game that a popular streamer picked up yeah, it can. more people aware of a game means more potential buyers, that's my point. what is your point?
>>1181041 shit, forgot to reply >>1181008
>>1181017 >I don't get this place's obsession with thinking vtubers are the center of the universe... They aren't, but they are a direct wire connected to the brains of alphoomers and zoomers. Although, I should say I used vtuber as a standin for "creator" anyway, all the same to me. Apologies for giving you a knee-jerk reaction to seeing that word.
>>1181031 It's the George Floyd tribute game that was made after his passing.
>>1180989 >wtf is black souls RPG Maker VX Ace based series of games inspired by Dark Souls containing sex scenes, turn based combat with some depth in terms of what combos of weapons and de/buffs you can pull with their own self-contained stories as well as an overarching story involving Great Ones from the Cthulhu Mythos and fairy tales.
>>1181076 kek >>1181078 interesting, i might check that out
>I used vtuber as a standin for "creator" anyway, all the same to me. mental illness
>>1181078 Replace Dark Souls with Berserk, and you described Fear & Hunger lmao. That's probably the biggest example of how going viral on youtube can be a shortcut to fame. Honestly, more indie devs should go for the "trigger sensitive chubers" marketing strategy.
>>1181105 >not caring about something makes you mentally ill Okay, thanks for the diagnosis. I'm not the one that had a melty over an irrelevant word.
>>1181078 How do vtubers stream sex scenes?
>>1180918 >>1180951 When the vtrash moved on from the game after they exhausted FOTM views, it continued to be popular all on it's own. But you guys wouldn't know that because you weren't there
>>1181105 all streamers, vtubers, and content creators are just different flavors of the same brainrot, buddy
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>>1181129 I don't know. I do not watch vtumors. I know they play BS because there were retarded vtumor followers in the BS threads at /vrpg/ but that's about it.
>>1181127 sounds like you made a retarded statement and then backpedalled later once you realized how dumb it sounded. >>1181139 yeah they are but you wouldn't call of them vtubers, it makes zero sense
>>1181129 the dev bent the knee and added an option to disable sex scenes altogether
>>1181133 I've been on board since the start.
>>1180817 I appreciate that they make the game financially succesful so that Nemlei can feel motivated enough to put much work in it, but I wouldn't like to discuss the game with someone who discovered it through vtubers, I'd bet those people have the dumbest takes imaginable.
>>1181170 I don't care about this enough to bother not using whatever the first word for slopgolem that comes to mind is. You're shitting and pissing yourself because I care less about this than you do.
>>1181170 >but you wouldn't call of them vtubers i haven't been. but vtubers are the subset of content creator that has been disproportionately spotlighting this game. >>1181133 ive been in every past /calg/ thread for the past year and a half. i may not be a true OG but don't talk down to me like i'm some FOTM following shitter.
>>1181204 >I'd bet those people have the dumbest takes imaginable I imagine secondaries only know the incest and cannibalism stuff. Though, to be fair, some of the takes I've seen here aren't much better than that: <secret time travel aborting Ashley happy ending is coming guys!
>>1181225 ><secret time travel aborting Ashley happy ending is coming guys! that does sound good
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>>1181247 Renee is a pro-life queen. She would never.
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>>1181247 andrew would grow up to be a decent person & become a lawyer & marry nina all only if this worthless cunt never got born
>>1181225 >>1181241 You will get the multiverse ending and you will LIKE IT
Anon, it's time to prove that you are not a normalfag and tell us how the fuck did you find out about this game! For me it was Alpha Beta Gamer , I barely watch his videos, so I'd say it was God's will that I discovered this wonderful game through him.
>>1181078 My beloved sister Alice... >>1181129 You can turn them off >>1181204 I watched a few vtubers playing this game due to how addicted I got after clearing the episode. The ones I watched were real fans, they explored every nook and cranny of the game, did all endings blind, followed the plot and even got some things I missed. They also made me realize that the myth about women wanting to be abused by a hot guy was not a myth at all.
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>>1181299 I don't remember exactly other than it was on /v/, and before the outrage dox drama I think someone mentioned it in a Slay the Princess thread
>>1181299 Someone recommended it on a slay the princess thread.
Make this the Op for the next thread HAPPY EASTER
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>>1181299 from seeing it on /v/ catalog, which is also how i picked up every single game for the past 10 years or so. i don't keep up with any other source
>>1181028 >he gameplay actually supports storytelling and isn't just about solving the dumbest puzzles imaginable. god i hate this shit. why did they have to make it a puzzle solving game in actual gameplay? they could have picked literally anything else. could've just made it a visual novel as well. then you sometimes gotta reload to an older save and redo that shit AGAIN oh god.
>>1181332 >>1181345 >I think someone mentioned it in a Slay the Princess thread Could've potentially been me since I was very hyped for STP but quite disappointed by the ending and was posting about how Coffin seems to not focus on its equivalent as much while also having a good dynamic between the main characters.
>>1181299 I'm a sucker for RPG maker games and this one got alot of talk in those circles back in 2023
>>1181291 >marry nina He never really thought much of her even before they killed her. Without Ashley, Andrew would've settled into a plain marriage that would've slowly killed him. He'd have felt like he could never truly be open with her, yet he wouldn't understand that he struggles to get things off of his chest. Andrew is terrified that if he is perceived for his true self, he'll disgust and scare everyone. The one thing about Ashley that Andrew loves above all else is how she sees right through him and still doesn't hate him. Ashley knows who Andrew is, yet still chooses to be his friend. Without Ashley, Andrew would go on living a fake plastic life. He would get a nice degree and a cute wife, but he'd never feel like he truly belonged. He'd never shake the perspective of being an outsider looking in and he'd never truly relax. Ultimately, Ashley is necessary for Andrew to be truly happy, but Ashley does not necessarily make Andrew happy >>1181299 Stumbled across porn on /h/ that looked legit. Downloaded the game thinking it was an eroge and unknowingly stumbled into the most impactful game I've played in years
>>1181372 >disappointed by the ending Which ending
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>>1181299 I saw an image from chapter 1 of the characters being very frisky on /v/ with the text "is this how blood-related siblings are supposed to behave?" and I immediately checked out the game. Came for the incest, stayed for the incest and the genuinely intriguing writing of the characters, you can't find this in jap VNs sadly.
>>1180681 Streamers play all kinds of games, successful or not. Do you believe taking any random indie game and adding incest or incest themes would cause it to be popular? This sounds implausible. >>1180918 >and adequate writing This is nebulous, although I admit I didn't explicitly state superior writing as a "similar quality". While I'd say from a glance that those games don't have the qualities necessary to be hits, controversy or not, I can't say I have a well reasoned argument for it right now.
>>1181364 i lost it when they added puzzles in the forest section. it's enough that 3/4 of the chapter takes place in demon world where most of the content is navigating through the same retarded shit over and over again >>1181413 that's a lot of words to describe a non-existing scenario. ashley was what ultimately ruined him.
>>1181460 >filtered by puzzles >doesn't realize he agrees with me It's hard being a Coffinscholar sometimes
>>1181427 The framework it uses for its endings in general. I didn't appreciate how strongly divorced it is from the killer content of interacting with the princess. >Do you believe taking any random indie game and adding incest or incest themes would cause it to be popular? This sounds implausible. No, but Fear & Hunger and Coffin are both success stories stemming from triggering the right people at the right time to explode in virality. It seems like it can be an important factor for an otherwise overlooked game to generate a larger following and success for its author. >While I'd say from a glance that those games don't have the qualities necessary to be hits I mean, you said you don't have a well-reasoned argument for this, but I'm a little confused by this. They share many of the same qualities that have led every RPGM hit to success story status. Well, except the fact they didn't go viral since they're not really that triggering/it doesn't seem like it was the right time for them.
>>1181519 most of the puzzles brought nothing to the gameplay. some were decent in terms of storytelling (e.g putting back ashley's corpse), but a lot of them were extreme time wasters (e.g door locks in demon realm, or pretty much everything there)
>>1181519 The puzzles offer essential downtime between the, sometimes, samey arguments between our heroes. There needs to be breathing room to let what has happened and been said sink in and stew a bit. Puzzlets will never know how good they have it.
>>1181350 Happy easter
>>1181599 Nemlei makes VNs, so what else would you prefer to see as downtime between conversations?
>>1181599 >a lot of them were extreme time wasters Not for a fella like myself. I cruised through those puzzles. Still do
>>1180384 This place is already better, the outright banned Israel from posting.
How many visions are there total so far? I've only found 4
>>1181654 5 total (I'm too lazy to update my screenshot, I was missing the gift mug one)
>>1181570 Who did Fear and Hunger triggered?
>>1181690 Didn't that pop off from a "this game broke me" video by that wolf something something guy? I remember him moaning about the cave dwellers being native americans or something.
>>1181616 but VNs don't have downtime? nemlei managed to do just fine in chapter 1&2, without needing to make 10 different puzzle levels, not until the dream sequence. if it was done now then the first hitman vision would require you to go through 3 stages of putting down rocks. in fact i think the whole section after they escape from the apartment and up until arrival to their parents place has the best pacing in the whole game >>1181621 anyone with IQ above 90 can breeze through them, but they still waste time when there are 5 different stages until you unlock next piece of dialogue, especially when you're replaying to get try another route
>>1181722 >this game broke me Sounds like a raped faggot >moaning about the cave dwellers being native americans or something lol, lmao even
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>>1181299 I'd heard of it but didn't pay any attention to it when it came out, until last week all I knew was "incest meme game". Last week somebody I was watching started playing it and I got sucked the fuck in. I'm glad I did.
>>1181671 Think i'm missing the one to the far left, where's that one?
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>>1181299 I really don't know myself, but the first time i heard of it was on /v/, and before i realized it, i stayed up late marathoning it. It became an obssesion recently. Before this game, it was Max Payne 1 and 2 who made me quit vidya because nothing will never come close to that, and now here i am, based Finnland, it's trully a wonderful thing. Still, its so weird sharing something with the usual indie audience, but this one is so good that it doesnt bother me at all.
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>>1181724 I dunno man. The only real extensive puzzle bit is from the time you leave the gas station until you make it to ???'s house. Outside of that, the puzzles are spaced out well enough. Just not an issue for a guy like me
>>1181724 >but VNs don't have downtime? They also tend to mostly include low-impact conversations, Coffin devolves into back-to-back arguments after Ep2 when we're not in someone's head or a vision or something. >nemlei managed to do just fine in chapter 1&2, without needing to make 10 different puzzle levels, not until the dream sequence. Well yeah, things weren't as tense in the early parts of the story, so there's not much of a reason to need downtime.
>>1178789 Based it right off of that. Along with Chapter 3, this guy's works have been really warming me up to the parents.
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>>1181599 The puzzles were fun and easy.
>>1181017 I think even Assmongoloid played it.
>>1181778 Just checked and the far left is Julia on the phone. You get it from the Cliffhanger route, fairly deep into it. At this part you've gotta use the flowers to make it to the phone on the left
>>1181810 He's really good
>>1181795 that one is rather quick, it spirals out when you do get to ???'s house, i don't see a reason why would you need to go through 3 stages of some easy puzzle to unlock the next room >>1181796 exploration is good enough downtime, not like you need it anyway. give the player more stuff to interact with instead of forcing him to go through puzzles like in flash games from "kids section" on newgrounds >>1181859 they were easy but got real tiring after the nth time of doing the same thing, at least for me. i just want the next scene for fucks sake
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>>1181892 sounds like somebody hasn't realized the greatness of puzzles yet...
>>1181570 >They share many of the same qualities Now that I look again at Fear & Hunger and compare it to the others, I see what you mean here. It's a strong argument to say that F&H was more successful because it went viral, and also apply that quality to tcoaal. I still think the possibility of a more nuanced take than "Coffin is only popular because of the controversy" is possible, but it would take more time and research than I'm willing to do right now.
>>1181923 Some years ago, I would be like you, but it's the case that good things often don't become popular for the reason they're good. It's not as simple as "have good art and writing, and they will come". I wish it were, but the reality is that sometimes it's down to luck and timing more than quality.
>>1181892 >it spirals out when you do get to ???'s house A) After you get to ???'s house, the puzzles to story ratio becomes way better. The puzzles are in between broad segments of dialogue B) They're still not a big deal outside of blind playthrough #1
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>>1181908 >the greatness of puzzles To be honest. Now that was mentioned, something that reminded me of Max Payne were the dream sequences of the game, and how they are there to portrait states of mind of the character, exploring their inner worlds and memories. Solving a puzzle in Coffin is like unraveling some mystery with all the symbolism around the places.
>>1181881 Thanks anon, would have taken me forever to find it lol
>>1181994 >B) They're still not a big deal outside of blind playthrough #1 The rock puzzle got worse on following playthroughs. No idea if it got fixed yet but you could slip through ledges and get stuck while rushing.
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has anyone managed to rip all the assets? before the update the usual rpgm decryptor worked for me
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>>1175643 Show me a moment in Fire Punch where it gets to this level
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>>1182042 That's literally the kino face
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>>1182097 i'll spin up my virtual machine first and thank you upon confirming it's not dolphin porn
>>1182011 Anytime. I only remember it because I played it yesterday >>1182025 The rock puzzle is annoying, but it's also before ???'s house. I agree that gas station through arriving at the house is annoyingly puzzle dense
>>1178130 >Are these captchas getting worse? Feels like it, yeah. >>1178195 "?"? That's a snake you dummy. Or a belt. Or a whip. Of course it can't actually be any of those because it corresponds to a single character, but it sure looks like those things to me.
>>1182200 Glad I'm not the only one getting "wrong captcha" when I clearly enter the right one. I have to reload the captcha every time no matter what it is or what I put in
>>1182200 I think that 9 is a 0
>>1182237 Looks like a 9 to me. Or a lowercase g I guess. This is why I hate these captchas. Whip/Snake/Belt all over again.
>>1181299 I am one of the privileged lucky bastards who randomly found it just browsing itch.io for a timewaster, even before 4chan found it. Not going to lie, I was legitimately thinking of making a shill thread on 4chan back then (hey, check out this weird itch.io game I found so I can talk about it with someone), which in retrospect was a sign that Coffin was always going to be successful. It was just that good.
>>1178113 I think she looks super hot with Julia's fit
>>1182297 The clothes are fine but the hair is a downgrade to her usual one
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>>1181859 You're fun and easy! Wait, that came out wrong...
>>1180536 Genuinely genius work rising above the chaff is never really in doubt. Genius is always recognized. But seeing true genius can be discouraging because it forces you to become painfully aware of what genius is and how it is forever out of your own reach. It can wake you up to the simple truth that you can never be that good and you're better off just finding something else to do.
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>>1182445 And you are so easy it's no fun.
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>>1181299 I found out out of sheer curiosity on /v/(4chan, RIP) while I was in the deep of my Omori induced brainrot spiral. It was mostly on a whim right as Chapter 1 came out, and before /calg/'s inception. >t. /omog/ resident since 2023
>>1181299 >how the fuck did you find out about this game! /v/'s catalog. Same way I found Look Outside recently, or Black Souls and Hakika's games back in 2020.
>>1181299 4/vg/. Saw it next to the Rimworld thread and wondered what it was. That was right around Halloween back in 2023.
>>1181299 /v/ catalog I remember being annoyed by the initial spam of it, thinking it was just another shitty indie whosits that /v/ likes to get mad about. I'm not sure what made me play it, I guess I couldn't argue with free demo, but I was surprised at how good it ended up being.
i've missed you all.
>>1181413 >Stumbled across porn on /h/ that looked legit what was it?
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>>1182855 You found this place now? You're late to the party.
>>1182890 I think it was this one
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>>1182855 Yeah right. I bet you were fucking around in hussy websites like the manwhore you are.
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>>1182912 Nice, it does looks legit
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>>1182912 >Andrew bitting his lips like that. Wait a second >>1151328 Could it be that Nemlei looks at porn of her own game? Anyone knows how to hide text under spoilers here? I already tried ctrl+S like a dumbass
>>1183061 >Could it be that Nemlei looks at porn of her own game? Of course that dirty fujo keeps up with all the rule 34 material of her own game, there are a bunch of stuff she does like confirming Andrews canon cock and Ashley's canon tits sizes >Anyone knows how to hide text under spoilers here? ** on the start and the end of the phrase
>>1183061 [spoiler][/spoiler] also I recommend the 8chan style script, it allows ctrl + s https://greasyfork.org/en/scripts/533268-8chan-style-script
>>1182974 It's nice being able to casually post NSFW here >>1183061 >Could it be that Nemlei looks at porn of her own game? Every artist looks at and makes porn of their work
>>1182914 >>1182895 I just came back from vacation, I left 2 days after 4chan was kill. I unfortunately have a life outside of lusting over imoutos
what the fuck why do women cream themselves upon seeing this scene? i looked it up on youtube and it's like they have an orgasm. is that all it takes?
>>1181299 Manlybadasshero, basically Alpha Beta Gamer but with non-obnoxious commentary and more of a focus on horror. Later noticed /v/ having threads about the game.
>>1183323 post examples
>>1183235 We still love you anyway, anon.
>>1183323 lmao this is the scene in the car at the camp right? my girlfriend insisted we stop playing and run to the bedroom to have sex when this scene happened
>>1183452 >my girlfriend
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>>1183380 thank you
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>>1181299 4chan believe it or not. And I was introduced very fucking early, when the game had just released. First week I was fascinated by the artstyle and the premise was interesting enough that I gave it a try after lurking the threads. I remember actually quite liking the sibling dynamic and the suggestive undertones which made me hopeful for continuation. Since then, here we are. I am praising nemlei for her absolute masterpiece of a work. Never thought I'd be liking this game to this extent.
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>>1183452 I remember you from /calg/ Well done lad
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Hold up, who the fuck edited the OP? I didn't write that.
>>1183576 >Edited last time by Mark on 04/19/2025 (Sat) 12:37:26. Oh, hi Mark!
>>1183518 we will be back home soon my brother
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>>1183452 Why the bathroom
>>1183452 And then everyone clapped
>>1183738 BEDroom. BEDroom =/= BATHroom. >>1183452 And then you woke up.
>>1183323 My sister bit her lip and stared daggers at me while this scene came on, what does it mean?
>>1184095 i need to get some sleep
>>1183198 To any 8chan natives, is there anyway to disable spoiler thumbnails globally like on 4chan? I tried searching in settings but couldn't find anything. Someone also said something about there being some user script or something, but I'm too stupid and retarded to figure that out myself. >Tardrew.jpg but I couldn't find it.
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>>1184543 I'm not a native, but some of the user scripts allows you to turn off spoilers, think it's Lynxchan Extended Minus Minus.


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