Is this the biggest flop in video game history in high budget low profit terms?

>>1010654 I'd just like to point out that there most so-called 'liberals' are actually communists.. Liberalism refers to letting people do what they prefer in their private lives. A liberal therefore should have no problem with 'racists' or 'sexists' or whatever so long as they don't infringe on his liberty.

>>1010657 It's a free to play MOBA that will have icefrogs attention for probably the next two decades and will be jam packed with gambling. So unlikely. It'll be a terrible game that gets a consistent playerbase as moba addicted degenerates to spend thousands of hours in mediocrity chasing the next shitty trickle feed of dopamine.

>>1010657 It's neck to neck to hyenas.

>>1010659 What is a libertarian then?

>>1010677 Being based.

>>1010398 They can't do much to gatekeep. That's what's good about it. All the can do is talk about you on their Youtube channels. Who gives a shit? If anything, for someone actually that indie, all that would do is get your name out there. Some do go on each other's podcasts and have some crosspromotion going on, and maybe if you aren't their friend they don't invite you on. That's not gatekeeping in the same way that literally firing and blacklisting you for politics is. The situation is immeasurably better now. >>1010406 There does seem to be interpersonal drama between some of these people, though I can't be bothered to learn any specifics. I know some try to say others aren't comicsgate, and all that. But it doesn't matter. They can say what they want. Comicsgate is anyone who calls out the mainstream industry on their bullshit. They don't have to agree with each other on anything other than the mainstream industry being bullshit. I think they're dumb for fighting with each other, but from a customer's perspective, I don't need to care. >>1010417 "Zack" is a nickname of Richard C. Meyer, AKA Diversity & Comics, which was the original name of his Youtube channel, made to call out SJW Marvel, which is basically what got Comicsgate going. Well, that was the first step, then it really ramped up when he self-published a comic after being blacklisted even from tiny publishers. And then everyone realized they could do what he did and cut out the publishers entirely, which is excellent. He got around the gate and cut down on gatekeeping significantly. The Cyberfrog guy is Ethan van Sciver, a big name artist who used to work at Marvel and DC until he got blacklisted for being Republican. The lawyer is Nick Rekeita. He's only related in that he's also right-leaning and on Youtube, and he covered Zack's court case when he sued big name writer Mark Waid for Tortious Interference after Waid threatened to use his connections to destroy micro-publisher Antarctic Press if they didn't cancel their contract with him. Unfortunately for us, the case was settled out of court. I think Waid had to apologize, and we don't know the rest of the details. Some people are upset about that because they wanted to see Waid actually lose in front of everybody, and a settlement, even if maybe favorable for Zack, isn't what they wanted. Rekeita is also apparently back and got his kids back and all that, and now fighting it out in court. He's denying everything, of course. I did watch some streams of his back in the day, but that was well before this saga. I heard his big time fans didn't care about the coke, but they did care that he and his wife apparently went to some Swingers Island and he friended a professional Bull on Linkedin or something. Again, I'm no expert though. But that sounded funny, so I'll believe it. >and came out as anti-anime / anti-manga shills. What they are is autists. It's not shilling, they have nothing to gain by saying they don't like manga. It's just not what they're probably into. Assuming you're right. I never heard this stuff, but I would fully expect Van Sciver and Meyer to be massively autistic for Marvel and DC, and have much less interest in manga. Van Sciver had to become mega autistic for Marvel and DC on account of being one of their biggest artists for years. And Meyer is just a legitimate autist, despite somehow also being a Marine. He's autistic for the military and for '80s/'90s Marvel comics. And he has really shitty taste in anything that isn't comics. And some people would say he has shitty taste in comics, too, but there's no accounting for taste. >>1010419 >you have to be some level of retarded and autistic to still care about comic books in any shape or fashion. This. And of course I'm including myself in that. >>1010600 Like who? I'm gonna need quotes here. Like I admit I got clickbaited by a video saying this about Zack recently. It had been years since I clicked or read anything to do with comicsgate, so I went and checked the video they were saying made Zack "full SJW." Basically he was saying the guys who do exactly what he does but about movies instead of comics are losers. A very stupid and hypocritical opinion, but not "full SJW." when actual SJWs came after those same guys that he doesn't like, he still said the SJWs were wrong. He just has fucking shitty taste in movies and TV. He's autistic enough for comics to recognize when the series he likes are being ruined, but doesn't care about Star Wars or whatever enough to recognize the same thing there. That and he's legitimately autistic. So idiot? Sure. SJW? No.

>>1010683 That's ancaps.

>>1010430 >Stories are a lot of misses and a few hits but the sheer amount of actually talented artists shunned by major studios is insane. Isn't it because current comics artists are the types to work for peanuts because with their incompetence they can't afford to raise their fare, and thus price out anyone who knows what they're doing (because a corp isn't gonna pay for quality when they can get a monkey to do it for cheap) similar to how leftists maintain their stranglehold on anime/vidya translation?

>>1010723 >Comicsgate is anyone who calls out the mainstream industry on their bullshit There are people who hate sjws and modern Marvel/DC but don't like how fucking retarded CG is.

I was digging through my old pictures and found this gem. Still relevant more than decade later.

>>1010850 Yes, that's a factor. Like a few years ago Marvel claimed they had their most profitable year ever, despite the fact that sales were way, way down. Evidently they cut expenses pretty drastically, and cutting artists' rates would be a very significant way to do that. Also, I wouldn't put it past them to be counting Marvel Studios profits or something, and then act like they were talking about the comics. But I'm pretty sure the comics and film divisions are completely separate subsidiaries of Disney at this point. >>1010855 As I said, you don't have to like people who call themselves CG, indeed, I've heard some people tried to claim the term and argue others weren't it. But those people are dumb. If you point out the bullshit in the industry, that's it, no matter what some people say. It's not a group, it's an idea, and the idea is just that the mainstream industry is corrupt as hell.

>>1010895 I hear Sony's revenues are high but their profits are at decade lows so they barely make return on investment.

>>1010183 THEY HAD MYSTERY OF THE DRUIDS 2, WHY DO THEY KEEP IGNORING THEIR SMALL GAMES WITH DEVOTED CULT FOLLOWINGS

>>1010944 >THEY HAD MYSTERY OF THE DRUIDS 2 Hold up, wasn't it THQ Nordic who had the rights, after Capcom bought that IP from cdv Software and House of Tales, made that sequel, and just sold it off to THQ?

>>1009275 https://yewtu.be/watch?v=kWCJjNVjoKw

>>1011089 Not watching this shit sorry

>>1011093 Jesus fucking christ

>>1011089 How's the saying go? Something like: Spic or wetback will get laughs but Latinx will get you shot.

>>1011093 >Milks the shit out of the phenomenon.

So it flopped entirely due to the character designs?

>>1011093 This kind of shit is revolting. Its obvious he's a *chan user but lacks any talent or self insight so just churns out generic owned compilation with same talking points he reads on threads.

>>1011171 I dunno about "entirely", but they sure didn't help.

>>1011171 Not being f2p had some part of it, 40 dollars for a shit looking game pretty much filtered everyone including the supporters.

>>1011172 This point about jester farming is taken from a post on the previous thread >>1006681

>>1011177 There was a free open beta event before launch. It was basically empty. The game being F2P wouldn't have mattered.

>>1011171 More like mostly. Hero shooter genre is half about giving a shit about the heroes you play as and when they all look like the type of person you would rather avoid meeting on the street... do I even need to finish the sentence? But even then the game just sort of feels like it was made for no one in particular. It does not mechanically move the genre anywhere, nor is it addressing some problem the genre had, nor was it some unique spin on the genre.

>>1011202 Would faggots play a 2hu loicense hero shootan?

>>1011208 No, because the 2Hus are (virtually) all cute girls and faggots like men.

>>1011185 A free product lets you switch strategies on a dime. Plenty of free flops have done some radical change and become popular as a result. A paid game on the other hand has a huge barrier to entry. They are competing in an arena where every single other game in that genre is completely free to play. It'll re-release as free and get a bunch of players because every person in the gaming sphere has spent the last 3 weeks talking about it.

>>1011171 >So it flopped entirely due to the character designs? Sounds like damage control from the usual culprits.

>>1011171 It 'failed' since it's a scam.

>>1011171 From what I heard you need to make a "deck" of characters and each time to die, you gain some cumulative buff for the next character. Which make team coordination pretty much impossible.

>>1011288 They wish it was a scam as they'd of gotten some money out of it.

>>1011300 Someone definitely got money out of it, they pay people wages.

>>1011300 It's a scam but the people getting scammed are upper executives