Some series like Naruto heavily utilize this sort of reflective story design, where they just remake the same characters over and over so they can make "the same" characters do off-canon BS all day and wave it off as the George Lucas excuse, "it rhymes".

>>1042042 No, it only counts official media, but I did seek out the leaked unreleased/unfinished Archie comics from the end of the run. Also, some of those unfinished issues do have fan-produced lettering, since the lettering is the final step. So some have complete art, and you can tell a lot of the story from just the art, but if you want to make it simpler on yourself, fans have taken it upon themselves to imagine what the lettering would have said. Other issues lack color, or are only pencils with no inks, but fans have done their own versions of those steps as well, if you want that. I personally just care about the officially made content, though, and where it's incomplete, I can imagine the complete version on my own. One issue that was unreleased but leaked by the artist, fully complete, involved Sonic going with Antoine to his parents' home and fighting a guy seeking ancient swords, tying in with some of the swords from Sonic and the Black Knight. Actually, this issue leaked without letters first, and fans had their own letters made for it, but the official letters leaked later and they're much better. It was a pretty cool story, and at the end Antoine says he's gonna keep continuing on that arc, while Sonic goes to help the other Freedom Fighters in their own arcs (though I think the bits of future issues that leaked indicate that Antoine did go with Sonic to help the others, too). Interestingly, it almost seemed like the Freedom Fighters were about to break up, which is precisely what I wanted. I like the characters (well, not Sally), but I don't think they should have been taking up so much focus in the comic. An arc where they all go off to have their own adventures, and then Sonic just checks in on them now and then, would be very cool. It also makes it so you can practically imagine this arc did happen, and then Sonic Forces happened, and then the IDW comic happened. It all fits together relatively well, and basically explains why the Freedom Fighters aren't around. Of course, that's all moot because Flynn just replaced them with new OCs that I like even less because they lack all the history, including the history from the cartoons, which made them significantly more interesting. I never liked Sally, but I like her a hell of a lot more than Lanolin. Jewel fills a role very similar to Nicole, but Nicole had tons of history that gave me at least a bit of affinity to her. Belle fills a role somewhat similar to Bunnie, but Bunnie not only had a lot of history, but was actually pretty cool. Belle is just a little crying bitch that never does anything cool, because she was introduced in the Stephen Universe era of the comic. She missed out on all the eras when characters got to do cool stuff. And Starline? Blatantly just Snivley combined with Finetivus. Now I'm not gonna argue that Finetivus was the most interesting character, even with the history he had, but really the only thing Starline takes from him is that he likes to warp around from place to place. Aside from that he's Snivley, and Snivley is a million times more interesting due to all his history actually adding a lot of depth to his personality and his relationship with Robotnik. He has a lot more complexity as we have seen stories where he is a lot more conflicted and pulled not just to and from Robotnik, but pulled by different characters and motivations. Hope and The Iron Queen aren't terribly interesting characters, but they made Snivley a significantly more interesting character. Especially that time Eggman pretended to make peace with the Iron Queen, then sent a robot version of Snivley off with her so she would never even realize something was wrong. But the implication is that the real Snivley, still captured by Robotnik, would know that even if he left Robotnik and went back to her, it wouldn't be the same, since she'd been fucking a robot version of him for however long. But back to the topic of fan works, I did read the fan continuation of Sonic the Comic, the UK Sonic comic from the '90s. Sonic the Comic Online is special because many of the actual creators of the comic have not just approved of it, but contributed to it. It's definitely a huge step down in quality, especially in the art department, but it's made by many different artists, and some are good and even got hired by Archie and IDW, or went on to do other professional comics work. Unfortunately, the story actually written by Nigel Kitching, who was basically the head writer of Sonic the Comic, fucking sucks. But it functions as an ending (takes place in the future) and it is the guy who wrote most of the best stories, so I think it's fair to consider Sonic the Comic Online to be the real continuation of Sonic the Comic. Recently, after 24 years, they said they completed "Act One" of the comic. I think that's bullshit, and really it might just be over. Releases slowed to a crawl the last few years, and the latest issue had several stories that ended on cliffhangers or introduced new plot points to be continued later. I have no idea what they could mean by "end of Act One" except that they know this might be the end, but say "Act One" to try to be hopeful. Anyway though, I strongly recommend Sonic the Comic. I'd say it's a lot better than the Archie Sonic comic. The art is god awful at first, but it improves significantly after a few months, and becomes excellent eventually. Its world is closer to the games and thus easier to understand for fans of the games, than the Archie comics. It still has plenty of weird stuff, but it's not as weird as anything Penders ever did. It has problems, but it's a great comic overall. And once you finish it, I recommend reading Sonic the Comic Online. It's an admirable effort, and it won't take you long to read it, since it's fans just releasing a couple of issues per year. The original creators consider it canon, and contribute to it. >>1042053 >Eggrobo One little detail I really liked in the later Archie comics, which I think people overlook, was that in Snivley's post-Super Genesis Wave backstory, they say that Snivley was inside the Eggrobo that hassles Knuckles in Sonic 3 & Knuckles. They say Snivley was working for GUN the whole time (though the implication is that he was trying to play both sides the entire time), and used the Eggrobo to try to steal the Master Emerald. He claims it was so he could deliver it to GUN, since Knuckles couldn't be trusted (given that he got tricked by Eggman, who then stole the Emerald, in Sonic's story). Of course, GUN doesn't quite believe him, and figures he was just out for himself. This then also explains why Mecha Sonic destroys the Eggrobo. Mecha Sonic was still working for Eggman, or maybe for himself. (It's not clear in this specific story, but it is clear that Snivley is out for himself. And later, Flynn made it canon in the IDW comics, and thus the games, that Mecha Sonic became independent after Sonic 3 & Knuckles.) >with a reprogrammed Eggrobo painted like a clown as a subordinate. Wouldn't that basically just be another Hardboiled Heavy? Or is this a reference to Belle and Mr. Tinker? What point are you making that I'm too autistic to understand here? >>1042054 I can't understand you fully due to grammar, but I feel obligated to point out that Dragon Ball Z, which Sonic blatantly rips off all the time, so much so that it's basically the identity of the series, is the series most known for characters coming back to life. In Resurrection F, Vegeta literally tells Frieza "Never come back to life again." And you know the best part? Frieza does come back to life again. Also, for the record, Superman has only ever died and come back twice in mainstream continuity. The Death of Superman was a big deal in the '90s and still gets referenced. It's a historically important story and a lot of later stories rely on it happening. It resulted in Green Lantern becoming evil for ten years, for a major example that DC can't really erase even though they did want to back in 2004. Also Superman died again in 2016 but then after a very convoluted story the timeline where that death happened merged with one where it didn't and so it didn't happen in the current timeline. I mean it sort of did on the reader's level, but as far as most characters in the story are concerned, they wouldn't be aware of it. >>1042064 It works better in a single universe where it can be used for a larger story purpose, even if you argue it's kind of bullshit. At least "it rhymes." It's less effective here where Flynn just keeps making up characters to replace characters he's not allowed to use anymore, instead of just using characters he is allowed to use. Hell, even Sage shares an awful lot of similarities not just with Nicole, but perhaps even more closely with Mecha, Robotnik's robot daughter from 2000s Archie comics. She wasn't invented by Flynn, and in fact one of the first things Flynn was hired to do was to kill her off, but he said he liked her and thus tried to give her a good death. Of course he also said he hated Tommy Turtle, and the death he gave him was way more awesome.

>>1042040 >I don't think anyone can deny that Surge is clearly Flynn trying to make a legally distinct version of Scourge Yes, and he decided to go in a different direction instead of just doing Scourge again. **They're both based on a visual glitch anyway&&

>>1042042 >>1042073 Oh yeah, I also made a giant spreadsheet while I was reading all the comics, trying to see just how much I had to squint to pretend they could fit in game continuity. Then I started reading the other comic continuities, and tried to see if I could fit them all together. And of course the cartoons gotta take priority over the comics (but under the games) since more people have seen them. And the movies go above the cartoons. Then I finished viewing everything and realized I couldn't do much with the information except maybe make the most autistic fanfiction ever. But I'm a bit old/employed to be doing that. Though this chart already involves a degree of fanfiction-writing in attempts to contextualize things so that they make sense together. So I'll just post it here. I also got bored by the end and haven't fully updated it with the last few entries, and haven't perfectly edited it to remove all the notes and stuff that I made for myself while I was making it. But it's pretty thorough, and the last bits aren't important. If you get far enough to find the incomplete bits, you'll understand enough to get how those last few bits would be solved. >>1042090 The different direction isn't interesting, though. The interesting parts of Surge are the parts shared with Scourge. The stuff that differs from Scourge only makes her worse. Except maybe Kit. I don't hate Kit, but I don't love him either. Miles from Scourge's universe is kind of interesting, but they never really did much with him. I'd be interested in seeing more with him, but since he never did much, I guess I might like Kit better. I don't think he's been used very effectively yet, but he's alright and has potential. And yes, I know about Ashura the Hedgehog. Do you think anyone in this thread wouldn't? I mean I guess some newfags might be around, so maybe. But you just reminded me of an interesting point. People say Doctor Finitevus is based on "Wechnia," a glitch from Knuckles Chaotix. But I call bullshit. He's clearly based on Doctor Zachary, another albino echidna mad doctor, from Sonic the Comic. His stories were better than Finitevus's stories, by the way, even though his name is fucking lame and gay. Anyway Doctor Zachary first appeared in Sonic the Comic #65, released 11th November, 1995. Knuckles Chaotix released in Europe on June 23, 1995. Now, the Chaotix were already adapted into the comic on the 27th of May, 1995, and I don't know precisely when the Wechnia glitch became something people were talking about on early message boards, or writing in to the comic letters pages about, but I'm skeptical that "Wechnia" was enough of a thing in 1995 to get adapted into the comic by November. Of course, Flynn might have known about Wechnia when he made Doctor Finitevus, but the similarities to Doctor Zachary are too striking for me to say that any similarities to Wechnia even matter, since all similarities to Wechnia are also similarities to Zachary, plus there are far more similarities to Zachary. Speaking of Ashura, though, what blew my mind is when I realized that Super Scourge predated Coldsteel the Hedgehog by a few years. I could have easily convinced myself that Super Scourge was a reference to Coldsteel, since they look and act so similarly. But Super Scourge came first. So it turns out Coldsteel isn't as clever as I thought it was. Flynn thought of it first, but his official comic didn't get as famous as a random internet meme.

>>1042073 >Wouldn't that basically just be another Hardboiled Heavy? Or is this a reference to Belle and Mr. Tinker? What point are you making that I'm too autistic to understand here? It was a half joke, half serious suggestion, given what Kit and Surge are based on unintentionally if we are to believe Flynn.

>>1042158 I totally believe that Flynn is telling the truth. That fucker has clearly never watched Dragon Ball Z. All I want is for him to write more stuff blatantly ripping off Dragon Ball. You know, like the games did. Instead he just watches Stephen Universe or whatever. Plus, it's just too obvious that Surge is Scourge. Android 18 would only come to mind instead for people who never read Flynn's earlier work. He's the guy who wrote it, so of course he knows the incredibly obvious parallel that he wrote just a few years earlier and was specifically banned from using due to legal issues. And anyway, if you're gonna add a third member to Surge's crew, one that's a lot more like Android 16 would work, because Android 16 also shares some superficial similarity with Knuckles, being the big strong guy who is also quiet and introspective and loves nature. Then again, I don't think I want Surge and Kit to become any more like 17 and 18, because 17 and 18 only stayed interesting for a very short time in the story, before quickly being written out and replaced with Cell. 18 was kind of cool with that little subplot about messing with Mr. Satan in the tournament, but most of that was filler (and a movie), and I wouldn't say it makes her interesting enough to think it's a good direction to go with Surge. But actually yeah, if Starline did come back, he would need a new minion, and your idea is pretty good. I was just too autistic to get it. Put him in a robot body, then he can fight a bit better, and give him a new guy to back him up since Sonic has like a zillion friends and it would take more than one guy to make a real threat.

Will you be going to your local theater (willingly or not) this Christmas for the third Sonic movie?

>>1043550 might flop going against the r-rated kraven film

>>1043550 >they brought back the whole cast of humans Jesus, I'd hoped that they had enough sonic characters to keep the plot occupied and backseat those fuckers but for some reason they think people really want to see them.

>>1043572 >(((Marvel))) anything >beating anything

>>1043609 I hope they add more humans to the games :^}

>>1043615 Fuck your monkey paw, at worst, this clip appears somewhere.

>>1043615 I hope they bring back Pachacmac in another game and get Christopher Lloyd to play him. One of the only redeeming things about that Knuckles show. Also, that fat gay guy Knuckles was hanging out with in the show looked and acted just like Bartleby's Bitch. Now they just need to finally add Bartleby to the games, then we're set.

I really hate the pseudo-dubstep crap that passes for music in Sonic Forces and all the titles after it.

>>1043679 Sonic music used to be the most dependable quality of the series.

>>1043550 >>1043609 I can at least understand Tom and Maddie being involved since they act as adoptive parents to Sonic, Tails, and Knuckles, but what's the point of bringing back Maddie's sister and her husband (granted he's a member of GUN, but still)? Last time I checked, the wedding scenes were widely considered the worst parts of Sonic 2. I really hope their screentime is much smaller than the last film, because constantly cutting away from Sonic and Tails to a wedding I really didn't care about got old rather quickly. Also here's some cute Shy Guy x Bandit art, because why not?

>>1043679 Agreed, fuck SEGA.

>>1040691 >TOP SEVENTY-THREE HOTTEST FEMALE SONIC CHARACTERS

Here's some cute Shadow and Maria artwork I found. >>1043611 >Marvel Worse, it's a Sony movie.

>>1044425 god i wish i got to fuck maria's shadow

>>1044425 Muhria is pretty cute.

>>1044425 >Shadow and Maria my post >>1035607 still stands

>>1044173 Those other characters are there for the same reason as Tom. The movies aren't really about Sonic, because animation is more expensive than filming James Marsden and other less famous actors running around in front of a green screen. The more they can get kids to sit through that, the less money they need to spend animating Sonic. It's the same reason the Knuckles TV show had multiple episodes that barely had Knuckles in them. There's a whole episode where Tom's big fat gay jew friend dresses up in a Knuckles costume and fights puppet Iblis, and the show "lampshades" the fact that it's done because it's lower budget. >>1044831 Shadow has a serious case of oneitis. Makes sense.

>>1045648 >Shadow has a serious case of oneitis. He should have stopped shadowing Maria, now he's dark and prickly.

I saw the third movie early in theaters. Unfortunately for me, there were several mutt girls right next to me that cheered every time Shadow did his moves. Metal Sonic (several clones of them) and Amy Rose briefly showed up at a mid credits scene Both Robotniks are dead while Shadow lives There will be a fourth movie Bravo, SEGA.

>>1052670 What will be the fourth movie about? Strong independent amy? Metal sonics? Chaos finally appearing?

>there will never be any cute moments between sonic and amy ever again because of a sega mandate >only girlbossing and grrl pwr how does that make you feel, /v/?

>>1052675 Unsuprised

>>1052675 Glad I haven't given Sega any money since 2010.

>>1052670 I can't wait for Sonic 4 when they have to bring Robotnik back to life. And then Ken Penders throws a fit because he was the retard who killed Robotnik and then had to bring him back to life first.

>>1052743 Robotnik mentioned cloning Stone. He either had clones of himself set up, or Stone will clone him.

Why is Eggman able to run as fast as Sonic?

One of my friends once asked me what changes I would've made to Sonic '06 to make the story flow better or make more sense. These were the main bullet points I put up. >Blaze is no longer from the future. She's an alternate Sonic like before. >Silver isn't some dude, he's her version of Shadow. The Optimal Life Form created on the Space Colony ORB. >Blaze has her own male Elise to deal with and both Blaze and Sonic call each other out for having a creepy pseudo-romantic relationship with theirs, only to hypocritically act all weird with their own Elise. >We get playable campaigns for everyone to have a larger intertwining story. >The bad guy's still Soleanna's god, but an interdimensional monster that was accidentally woken up in a cold war government experiment, SMT style. >El Eggmano has no idea what's going on and just wants to kidnap Elise for ransom, but soon learns about the destructive power of God and decides it's too good of an opportunity to pass up.

Has anyone beat Shadow Generations here who can review the game?

>>1052815 There are several schools of thought on the matter. 1) He's just that terrified of Sonic finally cracking his skull. 2) He was once kindly Dr. Ovi Kintobor, but became infused with evil Chaos Energy, plus a rotten egg, turning him into Ivo Robotnik. This makes him somewhat akin to Super Sonic, also infused with Chaos Energy. They're both beings of Chaos. 3) More mass allows him to build up tremendous momentum. 4) After seeing Maria's health, Professor Gerald altered his own genome so that his later offspring would be healthier ubermenschen. 5) Robot implants in his legs. >>1052833 Too much focus on Blaze. They should have just made explicit that at the end of the game, she also went back in time, to before Sonic Rush. Just throw in a line about how the time travel might change the timeline, and she doesn't know what Sonic will be like in the new timeline (explaining why she treats him like she is just meeting him for the first time in Rush). Adding a second Elise would not be a good idea. Don't need more Elise. Just downplay the romantic angle with Sonic and change it to purely heroic admiration. Play up Amy more to make the difference in romance v no romance more distinct. Because yeah, Amy also has the heroic admiration, so showing a contrast between them would make Elise not look like a furry. Instead the game has a mission where you choose between the two, for no reason. That doesn't help. Also, isn't Solaris already a monster that was accidentally woken up in an experiment? >playable campaigns for everyone Well sure, but that would just be tons more work, and people would have bitched even more about "Sonic's stupid friends." That was a big complaint at the time. I'd have liked it though. The second and third characters in each campaign are clearly underutilized, and the devs obviously intended to use them more, but ran out of time. >>1052905 It's the best Sonic game in a long time. It has fewer levels than Generations, but the more substantial open world adds a lot to the experience. The open world isn't nearly as large as the combined maps of Frontiers, but it's pretty fun to play around in, and the little challenges they have to do feel better than a lot of the ones in Frontiers (though not all. But some of the ones in Frontiers were stupid and only dragged things down). Shadow's movement feels way better than Frontiers and all the Boost games, IMO. A lot more precise. This allows for better level design, too. The 3D levels are actually 3D and not half 2D like in Generations and the other Boost games. They're actually original level designs, unlike Frontiers. I also feel like Shadow Generations is harder than Sonic Generations. It's not terribly hard, but I'd almost say Sonic Generations is too easy. Upon replaying Sonic Generations in this rerelease, for the first time since its original release, it took me 28 hours to 100%. Shadow Generations took me 25 hours to 100%. People are saying it's short, but to 100% it took me a while and I was pretty invested. And oh yeah, the story is the best Sonic story since Unleashed. >tl;dr: It's great. Honestly the best gameplay and story the series has had in forever. It's marketed as a short side-game, but actually if you want to 100% it it is pretty substantial.

>>1052919 Going on a bit of a tangent, but if Sonic had a predominately Japanese angle, I don't think the furry angle would be a problem. I see a lot of Shadow X Maria fanart and see this humanxanthro/kemono in a lot of other Japanese works.