Hark, Kingdom Come Deliverance 2 releases in just a few more days Now, hold your excitement, because there has been some drama in the past few days which have incited speculation about the content of the game and not all of it is unjustified speculation. I'll be including all known information about this situation in this thread, feel free to contribute anything you can find to help out. <Where to start A few days ago, there were several reports that the country of Saudi Arabia has banned - or at least, hasn't yet cleared - the release of Kingdom Come Deliverance 2, with the alleged reason being that there are "unskippable gay scenes in story mode" https://archive.ph/243kc https://x.com/VGA4A/status/1879150290680893691 <Okay so this is just speculation based off of a precarious tweet from someone that isn't directly working with the Saudi government/licensing board? Well, not quite. See, there is more to worry about. There are also leaks coming from /v/ on 4chan from someone who received an early copy and found something surprising in the game. Well, that just so happened to be an African dude. Now the history buffs among us might already consider this a little sus on its own, but for the rest of you out there, you might be interested to know that the inclusion of a black is very interesting indeed given the previous statements by the lead developer of Warhorse Studios - Daniel Vavra - the creator of Kingdom Come, having commented in the past saying "There were no black people in medieval Bohemia. Period." That original tweet was from 2015 shortly before KCD1 released and received quite a lot of controversy, that time from the left side. Alright, so you may be asking yourself, why worry about rumors when Daniel Vavra himself is an avid twitter user and surely wasn't afraid in the past to set things straight. So concerned fans took to twitter to ask him, but Daniel Vavra was strangely....reluctant to clarify anything...

Some Saudi fag said he can buy the game.

When asked for clarification on the -ALLEGED- inclusion of a blackard and a faggot scene, Daniel Vavra responded with a non-answer, stating: >Because I don't talk to nazi shitheads like you https://archive.ph/m78VN https://x.com/DanielVavra/status/1879551511380029638 He later posted the pictured "explanation" about his decisions. Most fans replied right away letting him know this doesn't really answer anything and is just as vague as his previous replies. This just dug Vavra into an even deeper hole, causing even the content KCD fans to start becoming skeptical about Vavra's character and those who were skeptical before are now certain of his guilt in the situation, and that their worse fears would soon be realized Taking a quick detour here, Daniel Vavra himself is of Jewish heritage, and has made it clear to his fans in the past that his grandfather was in a concentration camp. https://archive.ph/X5aVN https://x.com/DanielVavra/status/997053924451463169 Just when fans and even former fans couldn't be more worried about the state of the game, a press release was placed on the Steam discussion forums for the sequel. It reads as follows, pictured here: https://steamcommunity.com/app/1771300/discussions/0/507318096807138779/ https://archive.ph/azVJr >These rules are in addition to Steam’s broader Community Guidelines. Violations may result in actions by both our moderators and Steam itself. >1. Zero Tolerance for Discrimination >Discrimination in any form is strictly forbidden. This includes: >1.1 Racism: Prejudice or hostility based on race or ethnicity. >1.2 Sexism: Discrimination or hostility based on gender or sex. >1.3 Homophobia and Transphobia: Hatred or prejudice directed at LGBTQ+ individuals. >1.4 Ableism: Mocking or belittling individuals with disabilities. >1.5 Ageism: Discrimination or prejudice based on someone’s age. >1.6 Religious Discrimination: Targeting individuals for their faith or lack thereof, including but not limited to Islamophobia or Antisemitism. >1.7 Classism: Judging others based on their social or economic status. >1.8 Colourism: Bias or prejudice based on skin tone. >1.9 Body Shaming (Sizeism): Mocking someone’s body shape or size. >Any posts, comments, or behaviour perpetuating these harmful ideologies will be removed, and offenders will face swift action. >2. No Hate Speech or Harmful Ideologies >We stand against all forms of hate speech and dangerous ideologies. This includes: >2.1 White Supremacy: Advocacy of racial superiority or supremacy theories. >2.2 Neo-Nazism: Promotion or support of Nazi-related symbols, beliefs, or ideologies. >2.3 Encouragement of Violence: Posts that glorify, incite, or encourage harm toward individuals or groups. >2.4 Harassment: Repeated or targeted attacks, threats, or intimidation. >2.5 Glorification of Harmful Behaviour: Including but not limited to self-harm, suicide, or abuse. The rest of the post was negligible. The employee of Warhorse Studios that posted this, PLAION_MY4NH, has since privatized his profile on Steam (pictured)

>>1062150 That's not a Warhorse employee, that their publishers employee. PLAION AKA Deep Silver

>>1062154 Apologies, thanks for the clarification >>1062148 He can pre-order it, as it hasn't released yet. But also the paperwork may not have gone through on Steam's side. We still don't know the legitimacy of the Saudi Arabia ban but the concerns about the content of the game are still credible. Lastly on the speculation angle, we got the following message from a twitch mod who works at Warhorse, I believe this is referring to the aforementioned post by Vavra with the picture of him pointing, but I can't be certain. More flowery lawyer language used, doesn't really answer anyones concerns, but you can see that the need to run damage control is going strong. Now to the crux of the thread, is a revisit into the 'what we know' but going a bit deeper. For those of you not in the know, Warhorse Studios was bought out and acquired by Embracer Group a little while ago, after KCD1's release of course. This was in 2019. See the picture for a timeline <Why does that matter? Most people know Embracer Group for being infamously involved in various predatory employment and production practices, like DEI, ESG, and other Blackrock-funded ventures which plan to include nonwhites and homosexuals while shoving whites, particularly white men, out of employment opportunities as well as just simple appearances in video games and other media. See the Embracer Group code of conduct below, which includes the follow snapshot (pictured) https://archive.ph/r1E7K https://embracer.com/wp-content/uploads/2024/01/Embracer-Code-of-Conduct.pdf >We recruit and promote the best by considering competence and individual suitability. However, if there are two equally skilled candidates, diversity will be considered in the recruitment decision in accordance with applicable local laws. We believe that we become stronger and more competitive as a company by employing people with different backgrounds and experiences and from different cultures. Here are some more snapshots directly from the horse's mouth (i.e. the Embracer Group website) With this said, it's very clear Embracer has put the stranglehold on Warhorse studios most likely and Vavra - either willingly or unwillingly - decided to bend the knee and give up on his morals for the sake of making money with his new bosses. Let's see how profitable that is for him in the long run. That is all I have to show for now but the story is developing and we'll know for sure how deep the degeneracy goes once the game releases in approximately 2 weeks (February 4th) You might want to engage in the Steam Discussions for the game as there is much merry and shitposting going on now.

>>1062146 Well hopefully it ain't pozzed but otherwise whatever, it's not like you don't have a few thousand good games you haven't played waiting for you elsewhere. >>1062154 Deep Silver is notoriously hands on and generally shitty even back when Embracer wasn't seen as bad, them being involved was a bad sign to begin with.

>>1062158 I would rather it not be pozzed since I know a lot of people really liked KCD 1 and it's a shame whenever a once-enjoyed series goes down the shitter. If I could make all games that ever release all great classics with lovely gameplay, I would.

I cancelled my pre-order on this game. It wasn't a real pre-order, just left over store credit I had that needed to be put on something in the system and I thought KCD2 looked decent at the time. I just cancelled it and used the store credit to put towards MonHun Wilds since I have friends who will want to play it all together.

>>1062158 Very true, Deep Silver is pure shit KCD was as good as it was due to it being finished by Warhorse after being community funded.

>>1062165 >a shame whenever a once-enjoyed series goes down the shitter Sure is, just remember that not letting go is worse than the alternative, see blizzardfags.

The farther from community influence the more it is under publisher influence. Publishers are contaminated with top-down views that absolutely do not align with the audience so you wind up with a contaminated product shunned by the community. Recall the thread about Onirism no longer being indie. Anons gave the same warnings regarding these influences.

>>1062175 Same thing happened to Risk of Rain 2

man I get real fucking tired of this board sometimes

>>1062176 >Gearbox Yep, look at Kerbal 2 as well

>>1062177 >Pistol isn't half his size That's not Todd

>>1062178 Kerbal 2 was a way worse fuckup than just bad publisher influence. Take 2 tasked an entirely separate dev team to repurpose the original game, without the ability to ask the original devs what any of their code did, on a shoestring budget with insane deadlines and wanted to turn a somewhat complex sim into dumb youtuber bait physics game with "not minions" for mass appeal but also massively overpromise on feature to make OG fans stick around.

>>1062181 It was all on the publisher though, that's exactly what it was. Publisher influence fucking up a franchise.

>LOOK AT ALL THESE TWITTER POSTS no You have a fairly distinctive posting style, and always seem more interested in culture war bullshit than actually playing games. This should be merged into GG.

>>1062187 only correct answer

>>1062187 Twitter has become the primary place where developers and other major persons of authority post updates and answer questions, it isn't something you can just write off with poor strawman attempts. I am also not whatever boogeyman you're trying to push this week. This is a thread about KCD2 specifically and shouldn't be pushed away into an obscure cubbyhole of a thread. This is the last time I'll be engaging with you in this thread.

>>1062187 TRUST ME, WHEN YOU OPEN THIS CASE UP, YOUR LITTLE NUTS ARE GOING TO BE QUAKING BUDDY, YOUR LITTLE NUTS ARE GOING TO BE QUAKING

>>1062150 >When asked for clarification on the -ALLEGED- inclusion of a blackard and a faggot scene, Daniel Vavra responded with a non-answer, stating: >>Because I don't talk to nazi shitheads like you https://archive.ph/m78VN https://x.com/DanielVavra/status/1879551511380029638 POST THE CONTEXT The poster Vavra was replying to was an actual nazi who changed his profile picture because he was getting attention. Here's his profile picture before he changed it.

>>1062187 Well, you're sounding an awful lot like Luciano, hmmmmm?

Seems like we hit a nerve with this one boys.

>>1062150 >No hate speech or harmful ideologies >we stand against >white supremacy So use bots to spam the Steam page with nothing but African, Asian, Indio, and even Abbo supremacy posts and threads.

>>1062201 Is that you again, Mark? Once more I must remind you that this doesn't refute his point. Vavra could have easily ignored that and addressed the "neonazi"'s arguments but instead decided to focus on epic owning the chud.

>>1062150 Can't even state a person is overweight anymore smh

>>1062246 Expressing opinions? That's jail time for you buddy!

>>1062187 Sounds like you don't like people noticing things.

>>1062201 >The poster Vavra was replying to was an actual nazi What is this, reddit? It is expected from someone developing a catholic game to go full /pol/. Especially if he had gone full /pol/ before. I dare to say even cuckchan frog only grows stronger the more you hate it, since even that crap is not yet "real nazi" but a cuckchan humor. >>1062187 >A few days ago, there were several reports that the country of Saudi Arabia has banned We live in a times when instead of banning a game for being foreign enemy religion they ban it for being gay. We'll see, seeing a nigger in KCD is not a big deal to some, but faggotry in supposedly "the only fully catholic game in existence", that isn't a mount and blade mod or stronghold is going to be a big deal as a cultural impact.

>>1062146 There's a lot of people who were "based" in 2015-2018 times that cucked out hard in the last five years. I mean, just look at Jewtubers like Idubbz who went from dropping the nigger bomb at a vapid cunt's photoshoot because she called him racist and saying that if you want to ban nigger you should want to ban cracker just as much, to whatever the fuck he is now. (There's also Ethan "Hebe3Hebe3" Klein, who went from being anti-sjw, sticking up for Hugh Mungus himself to being a typical jew and switching sides when the culture shifted after Fentanyl Floyd. Though I wonder how he feels hearing what all his new leftist friends are saying about a certain ethno-religious state in the Levant nowadays?) So, being a jew, I have no doubt Vavra could have had a (((Change of heart))) where he realized leftism was in the ascendant and so tailored his opinions to fit the situation. (Not to mention normalfags view the anti-sjw movement that grew out of gamergate as a fad of the times, just like being a blm stooge for St Floyd was the fad of 2020.) "It's just what everyone did back then."

>>1062267 >only fully catholic game experience. Maybe if it was made in Slovakia instead of the half that's full of modernist gaytheists and before that Hussite heretics.

>>1062270 It sounds like he made deals with the devil to get a sequel made that required him to add these things if all the things you guys are saying about the publishers and partners is accurate.

>>1062146 >sources: dude trust me bro Is this just a rage thread yes it is

>>1062283 I wouldn't doubt it, Deep Silver is pretty bad

>sources: twitter and current year + 10 cuckchan Shit if true, but I'll believe it when I'll see it, because trusting these sites are like trusting Slate or Rolling Stone to teach you how to be manly.

>>1062289 >>1062285 The problem is that nobody from the top, like Daniel Vavra, responded with "there is no gay sex or blacks in the sequel", instead they just double downed on refusing to address the issue, so it's natural for people to start worrying.

>>1062295 Gonna be honest, Vavra's comment about "role playing" tells me the gay thing at least is likely real, though probably not "unskippable" like that tweet alleged.

>>1062289 >It is expected from someone developing a catholic game to go full /pol/ it strikes me how many people here have basically no attachment to the real world and just say whatever

>>1062146 Why is the series so popular? I've only taken a cursory glance at it via YouTube clips but I don't understand the appeal at all. Any anons here actually excited for it? and if so why?

>>1062306 It's a Medieval life sim RPG

It got popular in part because Vavra was pro Gamergate back in the day and told SJW cunts to fuck off about adding blacks in it.

>>1062306 It's a somewhat realistic medieval RPG. It was supposed to be extremely historically accurate. The first game came out around GG the 1st and Vavra got a lot of heat for not putting niggers in the game and talking about how important historical accuracy is to him. Most people assumed the sequel would be more of the same until these rumors came out. And the way he's been acting in response to people questioning him about it has done little to allay people's fears.

>>1062306 Medieval life sim that has some semi-realistic HEMA fighting systems (even if it's unrealistic that everyone from a shit smeared bandit to a Cumanian steppe warrior are able to flow flawlessly into these professional dueling forms)

>>1062309 >told SJW cunts to fuck off about adding blacks in it. Ironic now, isn't it? Witcher devs are also drilling for themselves some kind of new revolutionary hole. Wonder how many "based and redpilled" devs will become liberal. I am actually concerned about change of trends.

>>1062228 He doesn't, but that could seem to be a common error due to frustration based off the profile image.

>>1062318 The "witcher devs" left CD Projekt and are now in several different studios. One made The Thaumaturge earlier this year and will be doing a Witcher 1 remake. The other is Rebel Wolves (a very extremely deliberate name) who are working on a dark fantasy vampire RPG set in medieval times called The Blood of Dawnwalker that just had it's first trailer and will have a gameplay reveal later in the year. The people left at CD Projekt are just the dregs, which is why Witcher 4 is the way it is.

>>1062301 Because there's too many catholics and its expected from you that popular liberalism won their majorities, or...? I mean tradition is tradition. Lets look at modern day 2025 /pol/. It again backtracked with "hitler stuff". Its again "alt-right"-like trumpism "at worst". The rest is just as sarcasm as that frog picture. Probably because hating the jew from muslim perspective is now mainstream, hence why its not edgy enough.

>>1062187 >>LOOK AT ALL THESE TWITTER POSTS >You have a fairly distinctive posting style Amount of clickbaiting faggots that want you to look at twitter is bigger than you think anon, let it rest. I mean who would even discuss KCDII right now if not for shitty outrage? Its marketing again. First baited left wing, now baiting right wing. Hoping those guys stay "one winged angels" is futile.

>>1062324 Most catholics are Boomer snd GenX and they're 70% liberal.

>>1062325 >I mean who would even discuss KCDII right now if not for shitty outrage? Who would discuss the sequel to a positively received game? People don't care about games anymore unless they're able to use them as pawns in the culture war, it's why leftists chose Dragon Age Veilguard as their hill to die on and the crowd that yells "based!" at anything that doesn't actively spit in their face for being a white male will hype up any 7/10 Chinese slop as the savior of vidya.

>>1062334 >yells "based!" at anything that doesn't actively spit in their face for being a white male will hype up any 7/10 Chinese slop as the savior of vidya. What is the real reason for this though? "I would have to play only old games if i don't want to see degeneracy and miscegenation" kind of thought? I was too thinking recently why most of my backlog is made up of japanese playstation 2 games. Then i try out something else and cultural war shit is in the face again. Not to be bigger cunt to the world, but it seems we have manual steering on again on those issues, least cuckchan shitposting about "based" things that aren't really "based" eats the discussion.

>>1062334 >People don't care about games anymore unless they're able to use them as pawns in the culture war Very true, or as pawns in the console wars. People hate the things others like, and don't believe their arguments for anything, and attempt to drag others in circles to market consoles by attacking other consoles and their games. 2024 also had few games worth caring about.

>>1062318 Actually the only person recently this doesnt apply to is Dingaling, developer of Lisa. The same one who came to 8chan for an AMA many moons ago. He went from being pretty laissez-faire to drinking the koolaid but then he turned around again and realized the error of his ways.

>>1062351 He fell to leftism for a while because he was in a real dark place after his Father passed, I wasn't even angry just sad.

Update from Vavra on Facebook No archive because it doesn't work on Facebook

Why'd the thread get anchored?

>>1062391 Mark is butthurt that people are speculating on the games content without it being released first.

>>1062391 Because it's ragebait, I'll remove the autosage if it turns out to be true

>>1062381 Then post the link retard

>>1062381 I dunno if he's going full esl or actually knows what the homosexual scene

>>1062444 *scene is

>>1062150 >Second image If I may steelman this for a moment, >First paragraph Irrelevant fluff. Though it will effectively hold Vavra culpable in a worst-case scenario. >Second paragraph For all intents and purposes, this is pretty much aligned with the general direction of KCD 1. I believe Vavra himself said there would be more diversity within the game, due to the setting. I'm no expert on history myself, but it would make more sense for foreigners to be in a larger city area, than the backcountry that KCD 1 took place in. Assuming the Mali guy is in the game, which is most likely correct, I'm sure people more knowledgeable about medieval Bohemia will dissect whether or not his presence, as well as their general handling of it, once the game actually launches. It almost sounds like it may be relevant to plot, which would fit with the fourth paragraph. >Third paragraph This is also more or less consistent with KCD1. Despite the society being portrayed as a godly one on the surface, it still allows you to act like a massive degenerate. The boozing sequence with Father Godwin stands out a notable example. Nothing to say of railing bathhouse wenches. So even if Google's translation of that Dune Rune tweet is accurate (though I have seen claims that it was due to unspecified indecency, how true that is I wouldn't know), I'd have a very hard time believing that the game would treat this as totally fine within the eyes of the society portrayed in it. Again, I'm no expert on history, but I'd wager the punishments for sodomy to be very severe at that point in time. >Fourth paragraph I think this is the greater reason that Vavra has been mum on responding to the leaks. However, it does make it entirely reasonable for people to hold off on buying it until they have a better idea of what they're getting into. I'm sure it won't be Veilguard-tier poz, but depending on one's standards for purchasing, it may be a skip. Side note: Even if the black guy is in, the text in the second image would be incredibly easy to fake. I'd take pretty much all of the leaks with a massive grain of salt until more convincing evidence comes out.

>>1062450 Question: For what reason would someone have to fake those screenshots? Or to even make up the thing about the gay scenes, skippable or not? Can you think of any other game already released that had a lot of false reports on the content of the game which were proven false upon release?

>>1062545 (OP) >Any advice for a newcomer? Train with Cpt. Bernard. >I heard the game is "hardcore" especially with the limited save system it apparently has A bit overblown. First couple of hours in, it certainly feels limiting, but soon enough you can buy, steal and brew enough Schnaps to fill a castle moat. What certainly is hardcore, is the fact that fighting more than one (1) [uno] enemy at once will result in a generously resized poopchute. (Until you and Henry get better at fighting and score some nice armor). Drunk peasants, brigands and CUMonkeys will beeline straight for your ass at mach5, all the while you are magnetically locked to one enemy at a time. Feels very janky to me.

I've played the Switch port of KCD1 which was pretty decent except the occasional crashes every 8~10 hours. Worst case was losing one hour of progress when coming back at foot, full of loot, after taking care of a cuman camp between Talmberg and Rovna. It's a bit of technical issue considering manual saves require a consumable but the crashes didn't tone down my enjoyment of the game anyway. Besides what the other anon told you, consider doing the tournaments at Rattay too. You may not be able to win at first but you can also level up your combat skills there without worrying about dying or suffering from wounds (you're healed up when you lose anyway). I also recommend getting the skill that increase the grip strength when you're clashing swords against a opponent, it also makes fights much simpler that way as I could successfully stab the enemy's head right after. Basically it starts slow but once you take care of a few sidequests and bandit camps (selling the entire loot for money), it snowballs from there.

Damn you niggers are retarded as you are still excited about a game where Vavra goes back on his word and adds a nigger from Mali. >there were no black people in Bohemia Actually there totally was a nigger from West Africa and specifically this region because African Americans descendants are from that region. Obviously we wouldn't pick North Africa or Ethiopia who was Christian at the time and could take the Nile into Byzantium

You faggots are why nothing will ever improved because you niggers will always defend and jump through hoops for anything you want to buy. >there are no black people in Bohemia Well now there is one. You may ask is it possible and the answer is theoretically, but it's so fucking absurd and they picked a region that makes the least sense. Mali is not an amazing empire and it was in decline at the point, it's in the middle of the Sahara, they are Muslim and all points of travel would be hostile to them, distance is retarded, and so on. West Africa was chosen because that is where slaves are from and you have to cater to African Americans. North Africa would make sense, Middle East Would make sense, and if you wanted an actual black guy Ethiopia would make sense. Ethiopia was Christian and had a much easier travel path

>>1062675 Isn't this thread full of people complaining and saying they won't buy it now?

Kangdom Cum: de shitter ants Jew Your turn

>>1062187 >no the post that saved /v/

>>1062729 Kim Dotcom: Thee Twitter Rants Spew Old reference. I'll try again. Kang Dumb Scum: Embracer Group Coup Rhyming is hard, but I guess it works if you believe Embracer Group pulled a creative coup buying out Warhorse Studios. Daniel said that's not happening so I guess the gay sex scene & holier-than-thou black worship dialogue that people were leaking (assuming they're real) were part of HIS creative vision? Regardless, the contents of their CoC reads like DEI-speak. >>1062150 Dropping that in the midst of these supposed leaks is just adding fuel to the fire. If it turns out that these characters are liars & villains who meet a bad end in the game's story, then I suppose people would be less annoyed. Many are tired of diseased sodomites & violent savages being artificially elevated as sacred cows, so if that's what this is people are going to avoid the game. Players want an escape which is partly why the first game succeeded as it rejected those things that everyone is so sick of.

Kingdom come: hypocrite edition Or maybe Kingdom come: czechs are subhumans

>>1062729 Timbuktu: Comeuppance

>>1062150 >Taking a quick detour here, Daniel Vavra himself is of Jewish heritage, and has made it clear to his fans in the past that his grandfather was in a concentration camp. That's not exactly that special in a country between Russia and Germany. Many Balts and Slavs can claim the exact same things. Most of them can't stand anything that can be vaguely nazi related. That includes nationalists and extremists from that part of Europe. Nazi comments and claimed partial Jewish ancestry means little when it comes to Vavra flipping from what he used to say. You need to look at things he says about gays, migration, muslims, and other leftist causes to get an accurate read on whether someone from Eastern EU is a progressive or not. If Vavra did flip, this would mean Medieval POC tumblr won in the end. Although all of that might simply be a mandate from the western publisher they are under and investors. It's more likely that Vavra simply had to play along to stay at the studio and continue the development after the Embracer Group's financial problems. Not that it matters much because in the end result is the same. >>1062283 That's most likely the case. The first game was funded partly by crowdfunding and partly by Czech investors. Vavra started in 2009 and did not get any traction until years later. Then the game was finally out in 2018, almost a decade since the work started. They had to make compromises like removing crossbows and replacing them with bows, scaling down battles, and skipping Czech dubbing (and years later integrating the fanmade one into the game.) All due to time or financial constraints. Selling to the Koch Media/Plaion was probably necessary to get enough money to develop game in less time than the original took. Otherwise Vavra would be near retirement by the time KCD2 finished development. >>1062318 Like >>1062323 said, a lot of the original people left CDPR. CDPR also grew by several magnitudes since the first Witcher. Some of it was through hiring local talent, some by hiring foreigners. All Krauts, Swedes, Brits, and other westerners they hired brought their ideologies and influenced the development. Liberals in Poland exist too, especially in entertainment industries, and they want to emulate all progressive trends whether it makes sense or not. A decent chunk of their polish hires after 2010 was probably liberal. >>1062301 >catholic game >Czech 70% to 80% of Czechs are atheists. They made a historically accurate game. >>1062381 It's not a good sign but context of the scene matters. There's a difference between going full Ass Creed Odyssey and staying more grounded and accurate to the time game takes place in.

>>1062785 If you don't know anon. Vavra worked at the original mafia: city of lost heaven as the lead writer. His work is probably older then that. But that's his big debut.

>>1062306 Remember when Bethesda was good? That's what KCD was, it feels like a Bethesda game from the days before Bethesda went to shit.

>>1062815 It was a different time before ideological poisons ran rampant through the industry. Nowadays, if games are to remain untainted fun an immune system against subversion must exist, but in most cases it doesn't. The gates are open & the gatekeepers are compromised.

>>1062815 >Remember when Bethesda was good? 23 years ago? Barely

>>1062267 >catholic >/pol/ not compatible, Christianity spiritual equality diverges from the racial spirituality that National Socialism uses as one of it's bases

>> 1062870 So, who's gonna tell him about crusader threads? Hitler's "Same goal as the church" quote? Catholicism being an answer to critics of Europeans having no culture? The fact that iconoclasm is a road to judaism? Ah fuck it, too much to mention. I don't think exploding this thread is worth it. Its just when you mention it specific practice is not important, what's important if whatever those "white idiots" that generated european babies died from constantine times to modernity believing that church for many centuries, if their seed was in vain, and if gauls and britons were in fact civilized by the church. Its kinda difficult to larp as natsoc ignoring vatican's biggest involvement in forming white cultural heritage, or at least of what an american calls white. Because they are beginning of centralization of europeans. Its easy for a lone wolf to talk shit, but not from a civilization perspective.

>>1062872 >Christianity helped to develop white civilizations, therefore, it's NatSoc

>>1062872 This is what happens when failed poltards think they're very smart and nosedive right into regurgitating one opinion and call themselves redpilled natsoc. Can't hold two separate ideas (not even competing ideas) at the same headspace. offtopic sage nothing in this thread

>>1062870 Knowing history the catholic germany was the centre of nazism

>thread about a supposedly historically accurate game <nothing but obtuse shitflinging about what their own idea of history was Shouldn't be surprised I guess.

>>1062891 i doubt it >>1062898 True, all we are seeing is a black dude, strange but not impossible, what makes the most sense is that publisher might have pushed for diversity, and they just put a black medic from Timbuktu.

>>1062900 Not impossible. Just hope that I'll be able to kill some gypsies

>>1062870 >>>>>>>

>>1062521 >Creating a wedge issue between anti-woke factions to take advantage of pre-existing infighting, basically ye olde D&C >Just plain old fucking around with the fanbase in general I vaguely recall thinking of a third possibility yesterday, but I can't, for the life of me, remember it now.

New statement from Vavra just dropped https://x.com/DanielVavra/status/1881081082612944935 >1/10 There are NO unskippable cutscenes in our games. Anybody who claims otherwise never played them. >2/10 We are NOT (nor ever were) banned in any country – at least not that we know of. >3/10 As much as I don’t like "forced diversity", nobody was forcing us to do anything, and we are not forcing anyone to do certain things. >4/10 Gay characters were already in KCD1. >5/10 KCD is an RPG, you are responsible for your decisions. If you want Henry to try a same-sex adventure, feel free. If you don’t want to, you don’t have to. All affairs are (and were in KCD1) purely optional. The characters are perfectly aware, that it was a forbidden sin. >6/10 The game takes place in one of the richest cities in Europe which was besieged by a massive foreign army. That´s the reason why the life in such a city is more diverse than the life in villages which were featured in the first game. >7/10 Musa came to Bohemia with an invading army as a member of the royal court of King Sigismund, whom he met thanks to his engagement at the court of Sultan Bayezid. He's an educated noble and renaissance man from the Kingdom of Mali. >8/10 At the same time, Musa is a very unusual figure for the local Bohemian folk, and many of the situations around him in the game stem from this. So his presence makes sense and creates lots of interesting situations in the game. The way he talks and behaves has a reason. >9/10 Everything displayed corresponds to the morals and social norms of 1403 Bohemia and is only there to make an interesting story, and not at all to appeal to a “modern audience". >10/10 We don't want KCD to be used as clickbait by people who didn't even play it yet. Some of them sadly turned into exactly the same narrative they pretend to be fighting against. The amount of hateful behavior is really sad and it will damage any cause associated with it. Guess the leaks were all true, then. With the exception of the scene being unskippable, but that may have been a translation problem.

>>1062946 archive here https://archive.ph/OGmGL

>>1062946 Meh, as long as he had good reasons to do what he did, I don't care.

>>1062948 Is there ever a good reason to include faggotry and a nigger thousands of miles away from his homeland?

>>1062950 >Is there ever a good reason to include faggotry From what Vavra said, that was also a thing in the first game, and I am sure there were a few gays, in medieval period that stayed in the closet, married and had children or became priests.

>>1062951 Yeah just like I'm sure there was a minority of pedophiles who hunted after children and tortured them bluebeard-style back then. Does that mean I want them hamfisted into a story taking place in an era where the vast, vast majority of people were nothing of the sort? Why the fuck does the game NEED faggots in it? It was wrong in KCD1 and it's wrong now.

>>1062952 I assume it's not about needing, but about using tools to tell all sorts of stories, which might involve rare sorts of individuals. Maybe there is a midget, and people think he is dwarf, because they are superstitious, and there is a quest revolving around his situation. Does the story need a midget? No. Can you tell an interesting story with a midget? Maybe. To go back to the gay question, would you have as much of a problem, if there was a quest involving hunting down some pedos because they tortured children bluebeard-style, and the killing of pedos was presented as a morally good thing? Is it that you have a problem with an idea of a character, that could have existed in that time period, or what you can do with that character?

>>1062946 You mean highly taken out of context? Sure, whatever. Game looks fine.

>>1062952 >>1062950 He already said that faggotry was treated as a forbidden sin back then and that the nigger was connected to a foreign invading army. >Yeah just like I'm sure there was a minority of pedophiles who hunted after children and tortured them bluebeard-style back then. Does that mean I want them hamfisted into a story taking place in an era where the vast, vast majority of people were nothing of the sort? Those sound like they could make for interesting villains if nothing else.

>>1062963 They are interesting villains and they're still running the show.

The steam discussions are hilarious

>>1062946 >If you want Henry to try a same-sex adventure, feel free. If you don’t want to, you don’t have to. All affairs are (and were in KCD1) purely optional Really not a fan of the industry standard of making everyone bisexual. >all the nigger shit Even if he has his reasons good/bad, I don't like him giving into those annoying fags and their "black people must be shoved into every setting" obsession. I'll give it a pirate after it comes out and see if it is as bad as it seems or actually overblown like he mentions. >>1063016 Steam forums are usually pretty entertaining until they finally manage to ban/remove the fun faster that people can shitpost.

Despite all the attempts to justify the things people were flipping out over, the dialogue claiming black culture is superior for women is "woke" black worship that comes off just as cringe as DEI writing in other games & Vavra is shitting on his reputation as a writer for including it. The mental gymnastics are irrelevant in a market over-saturated with black worship. People see it & go "Oh great, it's this shit that I see shoehorned into every game & I can't even escape it in THIS game from THE guy who was previously telling SJWs demanding black inclusion to fuck off." The gay stuff is just unnecessary whether here or in KCD1. Considering the penalties for sodomites in that era & place they'd be so far in the closet the chance of encountering a homosexual would be practically zero thus unrealistic. The notion of "realism" that Vavra claims to strive for is lost as people struggle to believe it was in any way necessary to include things you'd realistically never encounter. That sentiment will likely not go away. That said, people are going to buy it anyway since most of them lack the willpower to boycott anything ever.

>>1063045 If they have to play it wait two years when it's on sale for $10 to give the Czechel grabber as little jew gold as possible.

>>1063051 Or pirate it day one.

>>1063052 Why would you pirate a pozzed game?

>>1063070 I wouldn't, but I would recommend people pirate it rather than ever give money to a subsidiary of Embracer

>>1063052 >>1063078 I pirated Hogwarts Legacy to try it out with mods that remove DEI shit, was sad to see so much effort put into an HP game world only to be pozzed into oblivion. Still, the world looked pretty cool although the game ran like ass with RT. May do the same with KCD2 if I can be bothered. I'll see what the modders can do first. >>1063070 Not giving a sale + use mods to remove dumb shit. Piracy is freedom.

>>1063016 Love how Steam genuinely doesn't give a fuck, long live king Gaben!

>>1063082 >Piracy is freedom.

>>1062946 >Musa is real Dropped, niggers tongue my anus

>>1063016 Damn that makes me cringe. I won't be buying it because of these people. >>1063045 Is it even in the game though?

>>1063070 >pirate a pozzed game 1. To support not paying for propaganda 2. Because we're supposed to pirate everything anyway 3. The hell torrent tracker is supposed to be filled? With only non-pozzed games? 90% of modern games are pozzed anyway. What next, magical tracker for chinese and saudis that is forbidden to host stuff like Veilguard and share only government approved morally obliged stuff, and make government check you're only pirating what morally and politically conservative? No even fucking better, crack team that only makes cracks for games supporting white european future in a positive way, and gets paid by the government to not make cracks for games containing gays and niggers. So that poor white man will never rest his torrenting hand on anything pozzed, right? Honestly i just delete it eventually.

>its not woke its just a little gay sex and niggers! Its so funny how some of you are running damage control for some reason. First it was fake according to you. Now it doesnt matter for some reason...

>>1063134 Almost everyone in here is saying it's bad? You're the second guy to come in here and claim everyone is defending the game. Do you guys just not read or is this a shill attempt?

>>1063134 The exact same shills that tried that exact same failed fallacy with Dragon's Dogma 2 (having a literal tranny porn streamer as a helper character in the game) and Dragon Age Failguard (the whole game being pozzed), and even further back with Trannypunk 2077. Those shills should be banned on sight. Their only interests are to damage control for the companies that they worship.

>>1063138 >Dragon's Dogma 2 having a literal tranny porn streamer as a helper character in the game Hard to believe. Proof?

>>1063138 How fucking new are you? Do you know who owns this board? >>1063144 Modern Western society is a joke https://archive.is/F51aa

>>1062946 >musa is real >Henry can suddenly turn gay in the sequel So rumors confirmed. Is Mark going to apologize to the anon he anchored?

>>1063171 Mark is still running damage control even despite the confirmation of all rumors

>>1063132 >1. To support not paying for propaganda Do you know the best way to NOT support propaganda: not fucking playing or even downloading the trash in the first place >90% of modern games are pozzed anyway So don't play nor download those games. Problem solved. Play something else. >Honestly i just delete it eventually. Why are you wasting your time playing a game that you know to be pozzed instead of playing something else? Throw up the hypotheticals all you want, there's nothing I can do to stop your actions because they're your actions. All I can do is, because of your choice of discussion, constantly hound you with the question of: why are you playing this garbage, that you already know will be garbage, instead of playing something else? If you want me to stop asking this question, then either answer the question or stop talking about the game and/or excuse yourself from the conversation. And "Because it's fun" is not an answer nor an acceptable response as pegging your ass could be just as "fun".

>>1063016 lel

>>1063182 lol

>>1063182 Actually heard that neither he is happy with what happened.

>>1063197 >Actually heard that neither he is happy with what happened. So...forced by publishers?

>>1062946 >3/10 As much as I don’t like "forced diversity", nobody was forcing us to do anything, and we are not forcing anyone to do certain things. Doubtful. He and his team went from adamantly defending the accurate depiction of the ethnic makeup of Bohemia to this. Maybe Vavra was directly told during a meeting to include more blacks and more homosexuals, maybe he wasn't. But even if it was the latter, the looming presence of the parent companies' policies and support of DEI initiatives could have silently pushed him to make the inclusions that he did. Which sort of counts as being forced into something, like how self censorship is still censorship. >4/10 Gay characters were already in KCD1. >5/10 KCD is an RPG, you are responsible for your decisions. If you want Henry to try a same-sex adventure, feel free. If you don’t want to, you don’t have to. All affairs are (and were in KCD1) purely optional. The characters are perfectly aware, that it was a forbidden sin. He is purposely ignoring what potential players are upset about. There are highly regarded RPGs out there that include homosexuals and the option for your own player character to be gay, such as New Vegas. The inclusion of gay characters and content reeks of pandering this time around in KCD2 which is what is causing this surge in disappointment from people. >6/10 The game takes place in one of the richest cities in Europe which was besieged by a massive foreign army. That´s the reason why the life in such a city is more diverse than the life in villages which were featured in the first game. Sure, large cities have pretty much always had a wider variety of cultures and peoples within them, even centuries ago. But no city in 1400's Bohemia looked anything like modern day Paris. >7/10 Musa came to Bohemia with an invading army as a member of the royal court of King Sigismund, whom he met thanks to his engagement at the court of Sultan Bayezid. He's an educated noble and renaissance man from the Kingdom of Mali. Have I not looked deep enough yet or what? Because I can't find any proof of this at all. Not even a legend or myth claiming it is true. >10/10 We don't want KCD to be used as clickbait by people who didn't even play it yet. Some of them sadly turned into exactly the same narrative they pretend to be fighting against. Read: "We are upset that we got caught before our game was released, you are not allowed to criticize our video game." >The amount of hateful behavior is really sad and it will damage any cause associated with it. And here we are. The final nail in the coffin. He considers criticism to be hate. The same talking point that so many far-left individuals have used in recent years. Of course, there is no way to fully tell how much Warhorse Studio's ideals have changed until the game has been released. But at this point it's safe to say that many aspects of KCD2 will fall in line with what is "expected" from a contemporary video game.

>>1063244 Pretty much.

what is this? a game for faggots?

>>1063259 You should know, it's made for you.

How deep is the hole this faggot has dug himself in to now?

>>1063280 Is he trying to make it worse? This is an incompetent attempt at handling it that will make things worse, just like about everything he's done since the leaks.

>>1063280 This will barely affect sales anyway, probably up to 3k people will get flustered over this. Wish it was more but you know the majority won't care. It's weird, I've been seeing more and more streamers and v-whores playing this out of nowhere and I found it weird but it's clearly a marketing ploy, he really sold out to his kin.

>>1063280 Basically he's getting into a fight with dumb people on Twitter and is pissed off about the grifters in GG like Rev, Endymion and Kern.

>>1063283 But KCD is a pretty niche title isnt it? Not nearly as popular as Skyrim and not even as popular as Dragons Dogma. It's super niche. I think this whole fiasco will affect sales more than you realize.

>>1063280 Archive?

>>1063306 Not really, it had a dedicated and loyal following and also caters to a certain niche that need games as realistic as possible for some reason.

>>1063306 >8 million copies sold <niche What? Lmao

>>1063318 >>1063323 All I know is that I haven't ever heard anyone IRL talking about the game.

>>1063439 >Henry is YOU Henry isn't me. Henry is Henry. No one played KCD1 to mold Henry into whoever they saw fit. They played it to see the ups, downs, and struggles of a man who lost much and decided to try and do something about it. You would think that the writer for the game would know this. Also, archives: https://archive.md/EFVR5 https://archive.md/KSJdT

>>1063439 If it's about giving the player choice then why not let Henry cut off his penis & pretend to be female? The glove doesn't fit. The fact that these things get shoehorned into games so often makes it off-putting regardless of the given justifications. >>1063280 I'd say that if outside pressures are partly to blame he's doing his very best to obfuscate that & pretend his creative control was never compromised. If Henry always had the capacity to become a sodomite why wasn't it in the first game? should be the question. Is it because Embracer Group didn't own it then? Or is it because Daniel was grifting off the anti-SJW climate at the time? He seems quick to call others grifters so I wonder if it's projection, a guilty conscience upon seeing where public opinion is heading. People used to cheer him on when he was mocking things like shoehorning blacks into that time & place, but look where things are now. Maybe he's one of those types who believes as long as people are angry with him then he's a maverick doing the right thing. Maybe he's kowtowing to outside pressures while lying to everyone & himself to save face. Who knows. Embracer Group has no trust & Daniel is eroding his own by putting things into the game that Embracer Group is known for pushing. >>1063468 I recall when KCD1 was being developed there were many people expecting to create their own main character, but Vavra insisted it was Henry's story & was better to write it that way.

>>1063470 Does anyone else remember the golden age of video game podcasts from the early to mid-2000s? Back then, shows tied to Electronic Gaming Monthly, Giant Bomb, and Games for Windows dominated the scene. If you were a gaming enthusiast, those were must-listens, not just for the news but for the behind-the-scenes dynamics. One thing that always stood out to me during those years was how frequently journalists would admit—sometimes casually, sometimes outright—that they had close relationships with game developers and marketing departments. This wasn’t subtle or hidden; it was woven into the industry’s fabric. Listening to these podcasts, you’d often hear game developers and journalists talking to each other like old friends, agreeing on nearly everything. Disagreements? Practically non-existent, especially on social or professional topics.(A lot of times they were even dating people from companies whose games they had to cover, ridiculous conflicts of interest but still the part that matters most is just how inbred the gaming industry is with the the so-called journalists that are supposed to cover it) That's why stuff like this going on with Kingdom come doesn't surprise me at all. If we've learned anything by now about never trusting a journalist, we should always do the same with game developers and publishers.

>>1062946 So outside of theorizing the leaks to be potentially be faked to a degree, my intuitions were more or less correct. >>1062450 I'm still in the "Wait and see" camp, though I understand the people who won't buy it because of what's been confirmed even though I still think their opinions are retarded

Several users with an early copy and Dr. Pilpul on the Steam forums (employee of Warhorse Studios) confirmed that basically the black guy is very important in the main questline and can't be killed. The homosexual romance scenes are with Hans Capon.

>>1063758 Are the homosexual scenes mandatory?

>>1063760 According to what I know, you need to "trigger" them, but it's totally unclear right now how easy to tell what those triggers are. Might be another BG3 situation.

>>1063760 To me it sounds like a case of them adding romance options like BG3.

>>1063758 What're you talking about? Vavra himself said you can kill him.

Throwback. >Henry is Henry >There were no blacks in medieval Bohemia PERIOD He's now saying/doing the opposite so it comes off like he was just grifting off anti-SJWs back then & that's why he's calling others grifters now. With hindsight, it really looks like projection. The more I compare what was said in the past the more I distrust what he's saying now.

>>1063798 Also, notice how much "nicer" he's being to the SJWs in those old screenshots, he's not calling them commies and telling them to go fuck themselves, he's giving them actual counter arguments. Compare that to what he's doing now, where everyone who questions the black character or the homosexual retcon is a nazi and all criticism is hate and harassment.

>>1063798 He is doing what they all do/did. They are great until they make it big enough to sell out, and then all the old fans are suddenly a problem for not being happy about it.

One Mark down, one more to go...

More Vavra retardation

>>1063914 What did you mean by this?

>>1063914 so is Grummz no longer team KCD2?

>>1063938 das rite >>1063932 jewcyboy is still running defense for the game.

>>1063930 >you support my game and still give me the benefit of the doubt? >fuck you chud! <and this is to go EVEN BEYOND FULL RETARD <AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA

Im not gonna participate in chimp out. He did good, now the game's changed its tone... for what? Wasn't like KCD1 sold poorly, or the publisher pushed for it. I'll treat it like any other game, wait till its out to see if its worth it. If the character was actually good and meaningful he wouldn't have to run this kind of defense.

>>1063914 >One Mark down, one more to go... But they're the same person. Don't you remember "Mark will take care of it"? Resetera found that then that Mark Kern was the leader of Gamergate and ran 8chan.

>>1063956 >now the game's changed its tone... for what? To own nazi chuds!

>>1063956 Keep in mind the game is published by Deep Silver aka the same publisher that forced Volition to change the reboot from a gang banging crime fest to "relatable college kids". I wouldn't be surprised if Vavra is doing damage control on behalf of Deep Silver, but I DO think that the whole thing is indeed overblown.

>>1063976 Look at this >>1063798 and seriously tell me it's overblown. He's doing the exact opposite of what he said in 2015 and when you point it out he pretends he never held that stance.

>>1063976 >Overblown If Musa was some Arab nobody would bat an eye and if Vavra could keep his mouth shut instead of "sticking it to the nazis" instead of giving grifting faggots more fuel to the fire, none of this shit would have happened. You market your game as "historically accurate" then do this and you expect people to shut their mouths? Reminds me of NuCOD and NuField "WW1 and WW2" games.

>>1063977 >>1063978 Yeah, I agree that Vavra and his CM team is making the situation look worse than it actually is, and it doesn't help that they're trying to make Henry as YOU THE PLAYER rather than a predefined character with his own characteristics, although I also think that Deep Silver has a part to play as well.

>>1063956 Supporting a dev that calls you a Nazi, admits to lying to you, and continued to lie to you seems like the most retarded thing possible.

>>1063914 >budget constraints So are gay characters more expensive to render or some shit?

>>1064137 Unless the appeal of the gaym IS gay shit, it's always harder for a game to render the money needed to keep a studio going if they start inserting gay characters. An argument can be made that dykes are okay, but absolutely no one likes fags.

>>1064185 >>1064186 >>1064188 This is the poorest false flagging I've seen today.

Considering buying the first on Steam next sale. How are the DLCs and is there any necessary mods

>>1064258 None of the DLCs are worth it and most of the mods are cheats. I recommend playing vanilla for a first playthrough. Hardcore mode is also good because it doesn't show your position on the map and you can for example get lost in forests, so you have to be smart with orienting yourself with the sun and landmarks, and traveling at night becomes difficult.

Why is anyone surprised He has turned? he has kike blood in him. It was never a question of if, it was a question when he would show his true colours. Does not matter how little kike blood they have in them, eventually they all turn.Never trust kikes, especially ones who claim to be on your side.

>>1064324 Honestly people should have been concerned as soon as KCD2 showed up with major marketing at video game event. The original was never that big and he only sold the game via word of mouth. Getting that kind of marketing could only mean he signed a deal with the devil and would be beholden to their conditions.

>We've failed. I've failed ... >The Amulet, where's the Amulet of Kings? It wasn't on the Emperor's body.

>>1064324 Mark would never betray us. r-right mork?

>>1064384 Don't worry. We are Marks's pet Goyim, he'll take good care of us

>>1063956 >wait till its out to see if its worth it Shill failed tactic 101.

>>1064258 >Considering buying the first on Steam next sale. Consider downloading it right now for free, without malware, without DRM https://gog-games.to/game/kingdom_come_deliverance

God fucking damnit, of course the ONE GAME of all things that I've been looking forward to this year had to bend the knee. Fuck the Kike-funded white collar shitlib DEI bureaucrat employees at Plaion/Deep Silver and fuck Vavra for being a faggot and cucking down to them for the sake of greed.

>>1064384 Without anons, mark has nothing. >>1064258 >>1064532 At this point, this is the right thinking. Especially with how they are handling this. Don't give those niggers a dime. >>1064616 I no longer let myself get excited anymore. Too many times I had a game where I thought there was no way they could fuck this up, and too many times they found a fucking way.

>>1064625 >Too many times I had a game where I thought there was no way they could fuck this up. I know, and it's also happened to me more times than I can count, but video games are one the few things I can actually enjoy in this life, and it still makes me prone to setting myself up for disappointment. >>1064627 I've already played or am still currently playing all the older games I enjoy

I think we need another AMA with some big company.

>>1064655 Localthunk Q&A panel

>>1064655 I fucking wish

>>1064655 Use your Jewish connections to get Miyazaki.

>>1064655 Can we get Gabe Newell?

>>1064655 It's time!

>>1064869 We don't have the required amount of first borns to sacrifice.

And it begins. https://archive.fo/G55GE The Gamergator rhetoric of historical accuracy has come back to bite Kingdom Come on the arse <Vávra responded by asserting that the game's depictions of ethnicity and gender are true to accounts of the period, while decrying western journalists at large as a bunch of would-be censors and hypocrites, calling not-unfair attention to the fact that a lot of video games media publications have a surplus of white cishet men. In the process, and rather less sympathetically, he threw his weight behind Gamergate - a febrile harassment campaign, originally sparked by somebody's clownishly toxic grudge against their ex, who sometimes advertise themselves as being about "ethics in games journalism", but are better understood as a hate group pushing back against progressive representation in video games and the games industry. <I've never met Vávra, whose past projects include the original Mafia, and can't say how much of Gamergate's shtick he really agreed or agrees with. He's said that many of his comments about bullying journalists reflect the experience of growing up in the oppressive environment of the Czechoslovak Socialist Republic, a facet of his thinking no English-language interviewer has ever managed to unpack. But Vávra has been happy to echo Gamergate rhetoric and join the fight against many of Gamergate’s celebrity targets - comparing the feminist YouTuber Anita Sarkeesian to the Nazis, dismissing the well-evidenced reality of structural sexism and misogyny in the games industry based on anecdotal experience, regularly inveighing against social justice warriors (remember them?), and peddling conspiracy theories about games media blacklists. At the very least, he has cheerfully granted legitimacy to a subset of bleating internet arseholes, while minimising or professing not to know about their shitty behaviour. Now, all those chickens have come home to roost. <As reported by Tessa Kaur over at The Gamer, the bigoted elements of the Kingdom Come playerbase are currently at war with the developers over the discovery that the new game allows players to have a same-sex fling. Others are outraged that it includes a Black character - a travelling Malian noble, Musa, who has arrived in the lively city of Kuttenberg as part of an invading army. <The backlash to these revelations has led publisher Deep Silver to impose a new code of conduct on the game's official forums, prompting further outcry about censorship. Vávra, meanwhile, has been fending off social media accusations of "forced diversity", together with anti-Semitic abuse. In a longer thread, he both confirmed the above reports about Deliverance 2 and defended them, commenting that, firstly, having a gay romance is optional, because KCD2 is fundamentally an RPG in which players pick their paths, and secondly, that Musa's presence in Kuttenberg is both a plausible historical event and a source of "interesting situations" arising from his racial difference. <If you've ever had to deal with a Gamergate dogpiling campaign, you are probably high as a kite on schadenfreude right now. You are probably knocking back a huge mug of crocodile tears. I've read some amusing reactions from homophobic players who reason that, if player character Henry can be gay in Kingdom Come: Deliverance 2, he was also potentially gay in Kingdom Come: Deliverance, that game they completed and liked back in 2019 - fellahs, does that make me gay as well? It's also hard not to experience a rich, rancid glow of enveloping karmic justice when Vávra's followers respond to his really rather lefty-sounding description of Musa by feeding him his own words from 2015 about there being "no black people in medieval Bohemia. Period."

>>1063741 shiiet now there's some accurate representation

>youtube grifters and no-life NEETs screeching because game isn't hyperborea >journos acting snarky and petty because they're still mad over a forced controversy from nearly a fucking decade ago Why does every game have to get turned into ammo for the culture war

>>1065184 Quite the conundrum, isn't it?

>>1065184 Vavra literally used the culture war to sell his first game. Then turned on his audience and did the exact opposite of what he said for the second.

>>1065213 >TLOU 2 was a hit Anon... it barely made it's money back >10 million copies Over half of which were not even half price >league and overwatch You mean the most universally hated games with the most cancerous fanbases? I have nothing on hogwards legacy, but potterheads are absolutely stupid >Casuals will play whatever they want Well yes, but actually no. Most casuals barely play these games, and those who do are probably shit at it. >but they still sell Yes and? The prices are still going higher and higher and people are getting poorer and poorer do you genuinely think this will work forever? You can't inflate everything ad infinitum. Now shut faggot there are already companies that are openly anti-dei.

>>1065211 >Vavra literally used the culture war to sell his first game >Then turned on his audience and did the exact opposite of what he said for the second Looking over posts from then VS now this unfortunately seems to be the case. Messed up that they totally flipped on their historical accuracy claims of the past. If you really liked the first game (in part or mostly) due to those convictions the second game is going to cause a lot of friction with a narrative that no longer respects those convictions.

It is very simple honestly. No prisoners. Apparently the publisher forced everyone to subject themselves to SJW ideals. So this is a bait & switch. The devs lied. Enjoy your SJW injected trash.

>>1065323 of all the words of tongue and pen, the most antisemitic are: I won't buy again

Did people ITT even played and enjoyed the first game though.

>>1065323 That's the only tactic these marketers have and it's why Warhorse is being so vague about if there is woke in the game or not. They're selling you the idea of it being historically accurate like the first game but it isn't due to the sperging of people like Grumms.

>>1065328 no

>>1065328 >played yes, a few hours >enjoyed not really. combat was too autistic for me, and there is no f5 quicksave. I just wanted Skyrim in a historically accurate medieval setting.

>>1065328 I remember if you shot a deer a deer didn't ran away. So i shot multiple arrows at deer. Deer died standing. I think it was also the game where you got shitload of venison from a single corpse of a deer? Don't remember about that one. Then i went running around killing like i do it usually in bethesda games. It wasn't too challenging. But forests were really nice. First realistic forest i came across before some other hunting games later. Intro was shit. It was also kinda funny because i was scavenging for something in a middle of it, so i ignored the plot up to some rainy sword related sequence on a road full of lootable bodies. Basically its a medieval sandbox with shittier than witcher 3 cutscenes ruining the mood

>>1065328 I played about 40 hours but didn't finish it. Started another playthrough in hardcore mode and played about 10 more hours. I don't remember why I stopped playing it, I was having fun in a sort of autistic way. I meant to come back to it at some point but I had other stuff to play.

>>1065328 I never considered playing it because I knew it as "that HEMA game". HEMA guys tend to be autistic about accuracy and I'd rather err on the side of having a fun medieval game rather than an super accurate medieval sim. Also I'm pretty sure I was still playing the shit out of Nioh right then.

>>1065328 I don't know about ITT but there were plenty of people back on prime who enjoyed it in the threads back then.

>>1065328 I played the first one.

>>1065328 I played and liked it. It is eurojank but more polished up than expected from these titles. I didn't encounter any playthrough-derailing bugs. In fact, it was less buggy than RDR, Bethesda games, and most of Obsidian's releases. Like a lot of Eurojank games, it is more ambitious than the team could handle within their time and budget. However, it is a breath of fresh air even today. It combines RPG with elements of medieval life simulation and has a lot of emergent game-play potential. It does a lot of things that I don't think I have seen games do in recent memory, like a whole skill tree for your hunting dog and multiple equipment slots per body part for example. A lot of complaints about the game are due to experimental combat system and few other experimental gameplay elements. I myself am always interesting in games that try do things in a novel way and KCD does most of their experiments well or at least competently enough. Another reason I am predisposed to like the game is because of my interest in history, especially of that era.and region WH went an extra mile to make it as realistic as they could. It's the most historically accurate game I know of. It even does not shy away from how religious all people were in their daily lives, unlike other games in historical settings. I am also an artfag and game's equipment, stats, and map screens are some of the best I've seen. It's pure eyecandy but it looks like something a medieval artist would actually make with modern tools and it's great. Overall, it's obvious that there was a lot of care put into the game, way more than with vast majority of AAA titles and indies. It's at least with trying. And despite being almost decade old now, it's still looks good and feels like a breath of fresh air.

>>1065328 I bought the special edition (used) from Gamestop a few months back for 20ish dollarydoos I did enjoy the game but returned it after a few days, was tired from work everyday and didn't get very far, what made me return the game for a refund was simply that the "special" edition wasn't the complete game like I thought. From what I recall the combat was janky but it felt good since it required reading enemy positioning and movement. At some point in the future I do plan on purchasing the "Royal" edition from Amazon and trying the game again.

>>1065504 >HEMA guys tend to be autistic about accuracy and I'd rather err on the side of having a fun medieval game rather than an super accurate medieval sim. I think theres a difference between accurate and realistic. ARMA comes to mind. They accurately model many different systems, but it isn't realistic that a soldier needs to memorize autistic keybinds and navigate nested menus in order to open a fucking humvee door. Likewise, KCD might have accurately modeled hand to hand combat, but it isnt realistic. You know this is true because a 400 pound NEET would beat an actual medieval knight if they fought each other in the game. The 400 pound NEET would also defeat a real life Navy SEAL if they played ARMA against each other.

There are actually multiple gay romances and not just one

>>1065328 110 hours, I really enjoyed it. My only real complaint is that the "From the Ashes" DLC is VERY grind and wait heavy, it's the very definition of a slog and I couldn't beat it without cheating in money. If you don't care about rebuilding a part of the map that was destroyed in a story plot then I say skip it. The combat is hard to learn at first but that's kind of the point, they're emulating how Henry is learning how to use a sword as a braindead son of a blacksmith. Even when you master the sword and learn a couple tricks it can still be a bitch to do so I can see why a lot of people would be turned off by it, especially during the early game. The setting and story really attracted me to the game but there's a lot of skills that can be neglected or outright skipped over without effecting the overall gameplay, I never touched the Houndmaster skill and got through the game perfectly fine. I say check it out if you like games that take place in medieval europe and care about historical accuracy.

>>1065328 >Did people ITT even played and enjoyed the first game though. Don't know, was never able to finish it. First time playing was few months after launch, and I got to about - mid-game, I think - and ran into a broken main questline that would have forced me to restart. So I shelved it, and decided to wait for all the patches needed to make it playable. Tried to start it up again a few weeks after KCD2 was announced and it was somehow even more unstable. Constant CTDs/Blackscreens. Fuck those retards. If I wanted to buy a buggy piece of shit that doesn't work, I'd buy a Bethesda game. At least they have better nude mods.

Will this help us sell our medieval history game?

>>1067897 Ok, I don't know if 8ch or my browser fucked up, but I'm not seeing the pic, so let's try again.

>>1067897 >>1067899 Do you get bonus stats for getting fucked up the ass?

>>1067886 Also seeing more mentions of what this anon said. Henry can take a whole train in the butt, it's not just Hans.

>>1067897 >>1067899 >literally became King Cum Delivery

>>1065184 Do you really think the investors shilling out millions of dollars do it just for the arts? Money doesn't mean anything to these people. See Joker 2. Purposely made to "own the chuds"

>>1067916 It's really frankly stupid on their behalf because all they're doing is killing off their own propaganda platforms.

<<1065184 >I have no idea what I'm talking about and am too retarded to understand how civilization operates >(1) No you for you.

>>1067897 even weirder since they're apparently irl pals

>>1067962 Vávra is just a closet faggot who wanted to put his degeneracy into the game. After all, according to him no one makes him do anything so adding in faggots and niggers is something he clearly likes and wants.

>>1067966 I think he's covering ass for Deep Silver since they did the same thing with the Saints Row reboot.

I would have been fine/ignored if was anyone BUT Hans.

Jesus Christ be praised, Henry's come to sodomize us!

>>1067924 When something slips through the cracks—be it due to its historical accuracy, a captivating character, or its distinctive approach to certain topics (such as Joker or Kingdom Come)—it often attracts the wrong audience (us), and that’s a big nono. They prefer to keep us fragmented and demoralized, denying us any sense of belonging. They certainly don't want to provide a product that resonates with you and our community. They would much rather crash the plane with no survivors. This is why I believe we shouldn’t support anything, even if it’s well-intentioned. You are funding a franchise that will sooner or later be used as a propaganda machine against you. Want to play it? Pirate it.

>>1067976 The 2 swords crossing each other symbolizes their dicks touching.

>>1067981 Thank you anon. That was too subtle for me to understand.

>>1067897 >>1067899 >>1067976 Ok, now post the heterosexual romance. There is at least one, right?

>>1067988 I'm sure its there in the game, the only reason the gay shit is being highlighted is because Vavra was acting like a sperg on twitter.

>>1067988 I don't see how the RP cope works with Hans suddenly becoming a faggot too. Hans is not the player character.

>>1067988 Honestly even if there is one it wouldn't matter, the west can't write romance for shit especially if it doesn't involve faggots and dykes. So don't even bother at this point. And I say this as someone who played both Pathfinder games.

Here's your historically accurate game!

>>1067993 >first game has you chasing away a family(or warning them to flee) for not being pure catholic >second game features a fucking negro on by the looks of it high ranking table with him praising allah holy fuck

>>1067993 Is he talking about Henry's BWC?

>>1067995 Yes, KangDong Cum Poo features the first recorded historical case of a Buck being Broken. I hope you'll enjoy!

>>1067997 I guess the Pebbles go up his ass!

>>1067997 Detachable horsecock action! >>1068002 Yes, my comments got deleted because i was "jumping to conclusions"

>>1067997 >the French

>>1067916 >Do you really think the investors shilling out millions of dollars do it just for the arts? Anon, the arts have always been rather gay. >>1067966 If he wanted to make a game about medieval knights being gay, why didn't he just do that in the first place? >>1067979 >This is why I believe we shouldn’t support anything, even if it’s well-intentioned. You are funding a franchise that will sooner or later be used as a propaganda machine against you. >Want to play it? Pirate it. That argument can also be taken to the point that you shouldn't play the game at all because you're still "supporting". While not financially, you're at least contributing towards the work being maintained in the public consciousness. A lot of "classic" works are only as prevalent as they ware because of how they've stayed in the public eye as opposed to being a success financially.

>>1068005 This webm gets smaller every time I see it.

Wow. I am speechless.

>>1068006 Only if you talk about the game publicly.

>>1068004 Here are the fucking conclusions!

>>1068011 >not a sassy vampire with tragic story >probably won't be instantly dick sucking in the first picosecond Nah.

I'm gonna pirate it and try it out. I hope this is some case of publisher arm-twisting and its reasonably easy to avoid.

>>1068005 >>1068007 I have one of the earliest attempts. It's 3.5 megabytes, but it's soundless and sped up.

>>1068019 All of the reviews already say it's integral, anon.

>>1068027 Integral to what

>>1068031 Buttfucking is integral to the story!

>>1068027 I played the first game as good boy. I'm planning on just being a criminal and if need be shove my sword (folded carbonized iron) into Hans' ass (and slit his gullet).

>>1068010 So let me get this straight. A muslim nigger walks into bohemia and instantly his rapist inner sanctum awakens to rape white bitches in bath for Allah, while white man engaging in totally bro cool sodomy. Whole set of images looks like a setup for a porn script. If katholische priesthood can't control this kind of degenerate spasm, who will? The answer is someone else.

>>1068039 It's totally fine bro, he's one of us!

>>1068041 I know they are speaking french and they behave like french but they won't ever be french.

>>1065462 >I just wanted Skyrim Why? That game is really boring.

>>1068086 Remember, it's still reddit. The mods are idiots that got fed up about users complaining about autism LGBT plus and trans things in regards to the culture War. So everything had to be dumbed down to Sargon and razorfist levels of discussion. (Actually even worse than that because razorfist can still make a tranny, every now and then... before the algorithm comes for his shekels)

>>1068086 Cucktaco Inaction mods have been faggots since the 2016 election mindbroke them, they probably have late stage TDS at this point. They don't want to look too bad to the galaxy brain redditors who are constantly linking their threads to mock KiA, so whenever too many /pol/ schizos start showing up in the comments, they kill all discussion of the topic with a useless unreadable "megathread".

>>1068039 Czechs aren't catholics, they were Hussite heretics and now godless atheists from years of communism. It's why Slovakia split off, to get away from their faggotry.

>>1068093 There’s more overlap between the user base of KIA and >our GG threads then you realise.

>>1068039 Some drawfag needs to draw this but with Musa of Mali

>>1068107 Very based and very true

>>1068010 It's hysterical to me that not only is there a nig in the game, he specifically goes "where da white women at."

Welp, I can't wait for this shit to flop. Guess I'll just play Wukong until then.

>>1068008 >>1068010 Are we sure that sseth didn't just kidnap the developers and force them to do this so that he would have ready made meme clips to last him for the next 5 years?

I was actually just shooting blindly on whether this was another SJW game. Turns out I've hit bulls eye lol

>>1068232 You and many people, plenty have bought the game completely unaware of all the bullshit historically inaccurate pandering, Their next game won't sell this well, believe it.

>>1068233 This. This will do well because it wasn't until the 11th hour we all found out about all this shit in the game. But like the kike he is, Vávra has now shown his hand and while he can enjoy this and tout the sales now, next time is going to be very different.

>>1068233 Starfield was at 300k peak on launch, doesn't mean it was sucessful, knowing they used of consulting companies i think it's ok to assume they wasted at least a few millions on them, i think there is decent chances of this being a failure especially if people start refunding.

I'm very annoyed this game got caught up by the most annoying people in gaming - culture war spergs; see the literal redditors ITT - but I can't say Vávra didn't bring this on himself with his years of courting them. The game launched in a much better state this time, if any of you played KC:D at launch you'll remember how fucking broken it was. People are reporting that 2 is actually pretty smooth. Have you seen the minimum requirements? An RX 580 or GTX 1060. God bless the CryEngine, UE5 devs in shambles.

>>1068251 fuck off homo

>>1068217 Is Wukong any good? Better than Wo Long at least?

>>1068255 There were gay characters in the first too, did you people even play the fucking game?