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Sony goes full third party Anonymous 03/27/2025 (Thu) 18:56:59 Id: 184032 No. 1083321
It's over. Not only are Sony games on PC, they're also on Switch (2?) now (via Namco Bandai). https://www.bandainamcoent.com/games/everybodys-golf-hot-shots https://www.bandainamcoent.com/games/patapon-1-plus-2-replay Do you think they'll even try a PS6 at this point? What other old Sony IPs do you think will be dug up? Ape Escape Trilogy? Wild Arms HD? Gran Turismo PC? Do you expect the Switch 2 direct will confirm Metal Gear Delta for Switch 2 with Ape Escape minigame intact?
>>1083321 Can I get PSX classics on Switch 2? That would be hilarious. >Ape Escape Only one kind of people mention this series.
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>>1083324 >Only one kind of people mention this series. People with good taste?
>>1083321 >Do you think they'll even try a PS6 at this point? This is actually a great question. If Sony's tactic is to just make every game in their library multi-platform, what even is the point of making a console? The PS5 only has Astrobot, it cannot attract people beyond those who don't want to shell 4 digits on a gaming PC or are just accustomed to play on a PS, why bother?
>>1083324 >Can I get PSX classics on Switch 2? That would be hilarious. I'm honestly surprised they haven't already started offering PS1 games in an emulator wrapper on Steam like Sega used to do for the Genesis games.
I think the porting of Patapon being "full third party" is a funny way of defining it. Your title makes it sound like they went Microsoft.
>>1083334 They haven't?
>>1083333 They do, it's called PS Now. What, you thought they'd continue using the POPs/VGS emulators?
>>1083333 (checked) Didn't they release a small version of the PS1 that was just an emulator with built-in titles not long ago? All it needs is a little push since they are going multiplatform. >>1083334 Well they are releasing their games on PC and now the Switch, so it's not far from the truth.
Good! Let exclusives die for good. More competition is always welcome for this horrible market, maybe then we'll actually get some effort from the game devs to actually surpass each other again and get some market share instead of experiencing a permanent regression to the mean.
>>1083332 > If Sony's tactic is to just make every game in their library multi-platform, what even is the point of making a console? Most people who have consoles just want something to boot up and play the game they purchase with the guarantee that it would run 100%. I know too many people that chose to get a PS5 rather than invest in a gaming PC because: < The concept of PCs other than office work is foreign < They think having a PC means pouring ¥151,000+ just on parts plus upgrading every year. < They don't have the space for it < Brand loyalty I tried to offer one of them to build a PC for cheap but, again, the thought of using a PC other than work is foreign to them. If the console has nice upgraded graphics, games run 100% of the time, and all their friends play on it, then why bother with PC.
>>1083321 I thought the Patapon announcement was mostly to fuck with Ratatan's release. The timing fits and Sony can be rather spiteful.
>>1083344 I forgot about the Japanese market. Pretty good point.
>>1083364 >Nintendo is like Apple, steal or "Use a BSD License based software" and use it as their own while providing nothing in return pretending they are master engineers Didn't Apple make their streaming APIs open source back in the early Aughts long before people even considered livestreaming to be viable form of content delivery?
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In the end PC won the console wars
>>1083378 Not really, the Switch is still doing great. Sony and Microsoft only have themselves to blame for their destruction.
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>>1083381 True, I just find it funny how almost 20 years ago dudebros and journoshills were saying PC was dead while now it's bigger than PlayStation and Xbox combined.
>>1083374 Yep. He's just a pro-microsoft, pro-sony fanboy.
>>1083381 PC is bigger then Switch.
>>1083344 I suppose in my case, the older I get the less I want to bother with PC hijinks for gaming. instead going full console (Switch) in recent years >PC is pretty much a port machine these days, which is entirely different to how things used to be in the late 90's and 2000's (as someone who grew up with Speedy Eggbert, Star Wars Pit Droids, Total Annihilation, Warcraft 3, Stronghold, Dawn of War, TF2, etc.) >There is only a mere handful of titles that actually force me to use my gaming PC now, everything else I like (essentially Japanese games and indies) is on Switch. >western games progressively shitting the bed sure didn't help the situation either so there are less reasons to aim for high-end hardware (3D progress has also reached a hard ceiling either) >even retro PS1 (Duckstation) and PSP (PPSSPP) emulation can be done on a phone, which can be paired with a HDMI cable to a screen and/or a bluetooth controller (touchscreen is also fine for anything ranging between turn-based and ADV titles) Of course, obviously someone who is still heavily into RTS, realistic simulators and modded games for instance will keep using a gaming PC. But I find very silly this notion that PC has to be this "thing that ends all things" and which can appeal to everyone.
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>>1083321 They'll also on Xbox via Steam starting next generation. Speaking of Steam on Xbox, what are they going to do about all the hardcore pornography? I mean it's one thing to be able to access PornHub or SpankBank via the Edge browser - people expect their internet to be lewd. But locally installed launchable games with an Xbox overlay is an entirely different matter. What will Grandma think when she walks in on little Billy playing ChurnVector on the shiny new Xbox she got him for Christmas?
>>1083418 Wait, what? Is this just speculation/working off rumor or do we really know that Xbone Three will just be a PC box?
It only took two generations for these three games to dominate the entire market and make exclusives irrelevant.
>>1083413 >PC is pretty much a port machine these days This isn't true at all considering theres's a ton of exclusives on it.
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>>1083419 They haven't fully confirmed it, but that "accidental" leak which showed a Steam tab was no "accident". Companies are constantly teasing features early as a way to gauge public reaction and interest. Phil has been saying this is the route they want Xbox to go for years. It's not all just empty bluster. Strategically, it makes no sense for Microsoft to be fucking around in the console market just for the sake of games anyhow. You've got a 200million market cap at the absolute most optimal environment - and 50-80 million more realistically in any given generation. Why the fuck would Microsoft even care about such a small market compared to their other ventures? Fact of the matter is that Microsoft never cared about video games. It's always only ever been a means to an end. For the first Xbox, it was a way to prevent Sony from dominating the livingroom with a PS2 that promised upgradability into a PC. And even then, Xbox never should have been what it was. Bill Gates wanted a Windows Media extender - a kind of super-WebTV. Seamus Blackly and Ed Fries had to go behind his back to make a game console - which pissed off Bill and damned neared got the entire Xbox staff shitcanned until they reminded him that Sony was still a threat. Sony only marketed the PS2 as being upgradable to a PC as a way to skirt EU import taxes on luxury electronics Even when the Xbox 360, their most popular console, was at the height of it's popularity - a lot of people at Microsoft wanted to spin off the division as it's own independent company. They didn't get a seat at the big table until Phil took over Why? Well two big reasons. Firstly, because EU import laws had changed, and Sony no longer had to pretend that Playstation was a PC. Overnight OtherOS on the PS3 became more of a security liability than a tax evasion boon... so they went in and forcibly removed OtherOS from people's systems. This lead to a hilarious class action lawsuit in which Sony had to pay out to anyone who claimed to have even CONSIDERED downloading OtherOS at some point in time, even if they never had it. The other reason is that around that time, Tablets and SmartPhones put a computing device in everybody's hand. The fight over the livingroom became worthless. Ever since then, Microsoft has just been phoning it in with the Xbox. They tried to pivot it into a multimedia box that also played games, more in line with the Xbox's original vision. This is what got Don Mattrick shitcanned after the disastrous E3 reveal. Phil took over, but mostly he seems to be more concerned with selling controllers than actual game consoles. A lot of the games, especially mid-gen Xbox One titles, were just $60 shells to experiment with commercial proof-of-concepts and refinements. Crackdown 3's Multiplayer is a hot fucking mess exacly because they didn't give a single shit about making a good game - but a kind of laboratory for streaming game content on-demand. MSFS2020 is a further refinement of this, and as it stands now - Xbox doesn't generate much in the way of hype for it's actual games, but as a vehicle for GamePass. To the crux of the matter as it stands today - Sony is zero real competition for Microsoft in any meaningful sense. Microsoft will only ever lose to the console market what they put into it in any given generation. Which is a fucking rounding error for them at the end of the day. Consoles are going nowhere, existing in their own limited market. However, as a consequence of Microsoft trying to go full SmartPhone/Tablet with Windows 8 and introducing UWP (essentially killing Win32 applications and forcing everything through "Trusted Platforms" - I.E. the Microsoft Store) - Steam has been building a lifeboat in the form of SteamMachines and Proton. This is actually a major threat to Microsoft since it has the low, but real, potential to displace Microsoft from their functional monopoly over the PC market. They won't have the power to shape the future of the industry and technology standards with the ease of which they're used to. So just like Microsoft used Xbox as a lever to protect their OS's from Sony's PS2 - they're going to turn the Xbox into a streamlined entry-level PC in order to try to protect their monopoly in the PC space. And hey, as a bonus - this will kill Sony too, because if the feature ends up being popular, then Sony can't match it. "Xbox" games running on an Xbox will always out-preform Steam games running on the same Xbox - because the Virtual Machine needed to just run the game will always be lower than the VM overhead needed to provide a full PC experience. People on Xbox will still, on average, tend to buy their games from Microsoft for the ease of use and higher performance. Expanding Cross-Buy will help boost Microsoft Store purchases as well. Even if they only ever buy Steam games on Xbox - you're still in the Microsoft ecosystem where they can scrape telemetry, push Co-Pilot, and integrate GamePass right into the OS. Sony has none of that. If they try to put Steam and Proton onto their system to match Microsoft, Steam will just eat into their sales. Playstation is Sony's largest corporate division. What are they going to leverage, Sony Music/Sony Pictures? Sony's financial services? They have nowhere to go from here, and meanwhile are drowning under the iron weight of AAA development around their necks. Sony's best move right now is to just scale WAY THE FUCK BACK on AAA development - enforce exclusivity, and open up their vault of IPs to re-establish the Playstation brand as a place to go for games only Playstation can provide. They're going to have to go the same route as Nintendo if they want to survive from here on out. Two other points I can't be bothered to fit in above. First, if Microsoft does go the PC in console's skin route - Microsoft's ability to subsidize the reference hardware via Distribution and Royalties will make it one of the cheapest entry-level mid-range PCs available on the market. OEMs will cost more, but provide a "premier" experience with higher specs. Secondarily, and purely conjecture on my part, but Microsoft opening up to OEMs is a good opportunity to work with third parties in order to put hooks into future videogames that allows Microsoft Co-Pilot AI to auto-configure graphics options to not only the capabilities of the hardware, but around potential bottlenecks as well. It will provide the "one click simplicity" that console faggots crave for the PC market. Microsoft can, at least for now since Valve doesn't have an AI solution, use this as a lever to both provide training data for their AI as well as keep people invested into the Windows Ecosystem.
>>1083439 Very nice read, anon. >Sony's best move right now is to just scale WAY THE FUCK BACK on AAA development - enforce exclusivity, and open up their vault of IPs to re-establish the Playstation brand as a place to go for games only Playstation can provide. They're going to have to go the same route as Nintendo if they want to survive from here on out. AND move PlayStation HQ back to Japan to keep the Americans from ruining it any more than they already have.
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>>1083439 >And hey, as a bonus - this will kill Sony too, because if the feature ends up being popular, then Sony can't match it I'd rather see the Xbox division die than Sony, Sony trying to compete with the cancer that is Microsoft is what made them this shit. There's still a chance of Playstation developing decent hardware and software if they bring the HQ back to Japan, there's 0 chance of Microshit developing anything good, they're Crony and Poo Central.
>>1083439 Don't forget Game Pass being a basal form of GAAS, either. Building on the next xbawks being more-or-less a steam machine, I wouldn't be surprised if they pivot even more heavily towards a subscription-based GAAS and/or game streaming experience; the collapse of distinct architectures into generic x86 means that it's basically trivial for developers to put games on PC and Xbox and PS5. Setting aside Nintendo, console exclusives are effectively dead. MGS, FF, MonHun, TLoU and other walking simes, hell, even the weebshit is on PC - it's over, albeit more over for Soyny than M$. I fully expect whatever turd gets served up as the next Halo game to release on PC as well. >>1083474 >There's still a chance of Playstation developing decent hardware and software if they bring the HQ back to Japan Yeah, nah. That works for Nintendo because Nintendo has a better first-party library 'currently than Soyny and M$ have ever had, combined, in their entire collective history, and as for the hardware - if you're going to move away from an architecture that will not only make publishing on PC difficult but will make publishing on XBOX difficult then you're just shooting yourself in the foot. Do you think that companies like 2k are going to spend however much time and money it takes over the baseline to make sure that apehoop 2k28 plays nice on the PS6 which is going to be like 20% of their sales? No. Do you think that smaller devs are going to spend that time and money when they could just release on PC and in doing so incidentally release on Xbox? Hell no. > there's 0 chance of Microshit developing anything good, they're Crony and Poo Central. 100% agreed.
>>1083480 >apehoop 2k28 plays nice on the PS6 which is going to be like 20% of their sales? What are the stats on games like that on different platforms? I would imagine apehoop sells relatively well on PS5, even though nobody fucking owns a PS5.
>>1083981 >even though nobody fucking owns a PS5. I've heard people claim this since launch, but I've never actually seen anyone back it up. Can someone PLEASE give me a source to this actually being the case? Half the time, I just see someone say that the sales numbers are made up without actually explaining how or why.
>>1084321 I've never met anyone who actually owns a PS5 either, but I don't get out much so that doesn't mean much. I sure as fuck didn't buy a PS5, and the only time I ever had PS+ was for a single trial month when I first got my PS4. So I don't play online with it. The only person on my Sony friends list is some Vietnamese guy I used to compare Project Diva scores with, but he hasn't been on in ages. Probably starved to death due to Communism, poor bastard. Speaking of this kind of bullshit, is anybody else getting flooded with tiny (>1k subs) Youtube channels claiming to be PC enthusiasts shilling the fuck out of GamePass and fluffing up the Xbox brand while shitting on anything Sony? Dunno if it's a Youtube algorithm thing, or if Microsoft is engaging in some guerilla marketing scheme. Just seems weird. Hatfield fanboys shitting on McCoy fanboys are nothing new. It's highly effective low-effort engagement farming, but I'm starting to notice a convergence in messaging that reminds me of the TV talking heads all reading from the same script. I mean, not quite that bad... but it just strikes me as odd. Personally, I don't have a problem with console wars and fanboys. Who doesn't like going to the zoo and watching monkeys fling shit at each other? At least it inspires some kind of passion for a hobby brand, because their games sure as fuck don't. Vibrant fanboy flamewars are a sign of a healthy industry with competition. Notice you don't see much Chevy vs Ford fights since those vehicles started to get made in Mexico
>>1084519 >I've never met anyone who actually owns a PS5 I know multiple people who own a PS5. I'm not sure where this belief even comes from.
>>1084623 I know maybe one, an ex coworker That's about it, knew plenty who owned a PS4, was almost PS2 tier. Most are waiting for fucking GTA to buy one and the rest don't give a shit anymore since they got a wife and kids.
>>1084635 >since they got a wife and kids. That must be nice. Meanwhile, I'm nearly 30 and nowhere close.
>>1084321 I don't know about if the PS5 sales numbers are true, but where I live most people are either Xbox or Nintendo fanboys. Owning any form of PlayStation generally will make you an outcast from any local gaming communities here. Not that I give 2 shits as I play my vita in public and ignore the fags calling me a retard.
>>1084642 >giving a shit
>>1083344 I love this picture.
>>1084519 I got a nephew (who mostly uses it for Fortnite and Rocket League) and several corworkers (married with kids) who has them. Its mostly normies who do which you won't find on videogame imageboads.
if this funds more AA games and they revive japan studio im sure its the best outcome possible for the company
>>1084646 >but where I live most people are either Xbox or Nintendo fanboys Same here
>>1084646 >Not that I give 2 shits as I play my vita in public and ignore the fags calling me a retard. Legend spotted.
>>1084669 You sound like a real retard.
>>1084762 Don't read his post in your own voice then.
>>1084763 Not an argument.


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