>>1047230 Got RT while on sale and was wondering if the system is based off an existing one?

>>1047238 Owlcat used the Warhammer 40k roleplaying system which is a d10 based system.

>>1047242 Sooooo wrath and glory or FFG?

>>1047243 FFG's Rogue Trader variant of the system.

Is votann still a strong army? I haven't followed balance news since this time last year.

>>1047253 I'm unsure as I've not checked myself.

>>1047167 ah, good to know, sorry

Who is your all-time favorite Inquisitor, and why is he Castus Grendel?

>>1047313 >Grendel Grendel was just an acolyte (and officially mentioned in the Dark Heresy sourcebook he was being investigated for suspected chaos collusion involving the intervention of a certain secret Khornate Sister of Battle)

How the fuck did Erebus hide his Chaos power level from everybody for so long? Even the Emperor? Is he just so evil that good beings just can't sense him?

>>1047316 Nobody knew what the warp was besides maybe 2 other primarchs and a few close to the emperor, his demon summoning stuff happened mostly where there were no psykers to notice, and the emperor wasn't omniscient or else he would have known about horus. Even 10k years later it's hard to spot someone possessed without either a psyker or visible deformities.

>>1047316 GOD I FUCKING HATE EREBUS

>>1047316 When a man has greek alphabet as a fucking tattoo on his face you know he's some tough psycho. >>1047322 Some things better not be reuploaded.

>>1047316 He wanted to surprise big daddy.

>>1047251 Dark Heresy was fun.

>>1047382 Wait till your heresy gets "yellower than black".

>>1047316 The Horus Heresy was a fucking mistake, over explaining and making it up as they go, and character assassinating the Emperor and going all "LOL IN UNIVERSE PROPAGANDA!"

>>1047384 >The Horus Heresy was a fucking mistake Look at the state of the Imperium after it happened.

>>1047384 I wouldnt call it a "mistake" but rather an "unfortunate accident". Let me explain! >It was only supposed to be a few books, but got super popular and ended up massive and convoluted >Because of this the main star (Horus) suffered the worst. His character depiction is all over the place. Charismatic good guy -> asshole -> clueless good guy -> victim ->meat puppet -> "ackhyully" not a meat puppet -> wayward son who solos Sanguinius and Big E, but at the end let himself unalived (as a final fuck you to chaos) >Authors have a (well know) unspoken rule: Dont touch others OC characters. WHICH IS FUCKING STUPID!!!! Specially when events are super close to eachother. This leads to many "and wtf Giorno did during Part 6" type of situation. >Also author autism: Not consulting on main characters. See Fulgrim beautiful charcter arc getting destroyed by a short novel where turns out the laer demon were banished and Fulgrim actually not body hijacked. >GW milking the living shit from the event, making the whole thing unapproachable I going to post a reddit graph just to prove how fucking stupid and insane the whole thing is! (Dont scream niggers! Be glad someone was enough autist to make this graph!) A contained more focused Heresy series would be good. But just like Disney GW didnt planned jack shit. Yes its a mess, but it is a beautiful one.

>>1047251 An extremely modified version of the system. I wish they'd stuck closer to the source material. They overcomplicated it.

>>1047401 I thought it was faithful to a degree?

>>1047470 They had to modify it for a video game's use.

>>1047316 AFAIK Erebus wasn't a psyker, just that later on in the Heresy, he learned how to use Chaos artifacts and Chaos rituals. These aren't detectable like psyker abilities are. >>1047391 This chart is missing a lot, as well. Not to mention the additional Siege of Terra books which came out later.

>>1047253 Who cares about the meta balance? Collect and play what you think is cool. Tourneyfags are gay. That being said the general consensus is that 10th edition is pretty shit all around, especially for neglected armies like Votann.

>>1047667 10th edition was another soft reset like 8th edition was, just it got dumbed down even more. Especially when it comes to actual customization for your minis. They're really pushing the "only whats in the box" rule to discourage kitbashing or any creativity people could exhibit. Combi weapons, which for years was a straightforward "Plasma/melta/flamer strapped to a bolter" now is just one generic anti-infantry weapon. Chaos got it the worst, with no dual lightning claws for more than one chaos terminator, and only a max of two combi weapons in a squad because that's what's in the box. You'd be better off playing Horus Heresy or any older edition. Hell, even Age of Shitmar is probably better at this point.

>>1047391 for me it was the Erda shitstorm, it was funny to watch from afar

>>1047230 Ah nice, a new thread. Here's a source of pride and jealousy of our franchise, from raycevik

>>1047691 I personally think Erda was a missed opportunity, but the majority of 40k fans would skin me for this opinion. >>1047704 >lets cater to the minorities and tell the majority to fuck off >the minorities who notoriusly struggle with finances >get surprised when you dont make money because your trans fans are dead or burning money on charlatan "doctors" >see franchise aimed to rich autists and the majority >see company and fandom shitting out content for the money spending majority >get surprised how they have more lore and toys than you The left not just cant meme, but absolute abysmal with math. >>1047669 >tourneyfags are gay Man, the problem is deeper than that. You dont need to be a turbo autist to have problem with 10th. Some factions (im looking at you sisters) so fucking busted it just not fun to play against. You want a chill and relaxed gameplay with your old friends, but the game is so unbalanced its ruins the fun. Of course you could ban certain factions, but are you really going to tell your pal that the expensive figurines he bought, painted and loved are not welcome in your house because their rule set is broken? I dont think so. As >>1047669 pointed out most of the people play by the old rules, which is 4th for old fags and 8th-9th for the newcomers.

>>1047669 >>1047709 Wow it's really worse than I thought. The last I actually played a game was 8th to be honest, I've just been painting minis since then.

>>1047709 missed opportunity for what? Making the emperor look bad?

>>1047725 >She can solo 4 different chaos greater demon, You would think someone this powerful (few steps below Malcador in scales) would be more in the focus of the story/lore. >Fucks up the primarchs and Big E's main plan You would think she would be on the focus after this big fuck up, BUT 99% of the cast just ignors her. >Has a (presuambly) tight backstory with pre-empire Big E. Atleast use her to show how metal was the Emperor during the unification wars! Yoi know. The time when he was the fucking underdog on a fucked up Earth! I bet anyone in this board can make a better and more involved lore to her than the hacks at BL. >Making the emperor look bad? Like Jimmy Space needs anyone to make him look bad

>>1047709 >>1047704 Not just that, EA never licenses its property to anyone else. Other than to make Mass Effect mobile games. They have kept their golden goose hidden to release one mediocre rpg every 7 years and wonder why their IPs aren't making money. EA jew execs don't even know how valuable mass effect franchise would be if it was made into a legit sci-fi epic franchise with shooters, RTS, isometric rpg, space explorer sim, or even just Visual Novels to keep the tumbler fan fictions rolling. Meanwhile GW hands over licenses to bosnian ex-prison members to shit out a Gothic Armada over the weekend. Guess who's fanbase is alive and thriving?

>>1047704 Watching Leafs seethe is always entertaining.

>>1047734 Anon they did the same with fucking C&C

>>1047729 jimbo space is humanity's best hope. At this point I think the author (who loves neopronoms) just wanted to trigger "chuds" or something

>>1047734 Mass Effect is pretty dead after the 3rd game and then 40k had licenced one of the best CRPGs to come out in years.

Here to report that Murder waifu can become your official waifu who'll give you children if you fix her.

>>1048306 >tfw Chaos route and I plan on thoroughly breaking her

>>1047734 I think you're underestimateing the following that 40k had from the outset.

>>1047251 Um, I don't think so. My rpg group still plays that and its pretty different.

>>1048306 Only real choice for an Emprah fearing Rogue Trader, since the other options are a heretic, and abhuman, and a xenos (Not that there's anything wrong with the last two)

>>1048441 It's based off it not a 1 to 1 of it.

>>1048392 You monster.

Out of all the people to grab the W40K license, how come nobody else expressed interest in making something similar to Inquisitor Martyr once more. Heck, why hasn't Joe Mad and company not taken the license up for a spin given how much his style could work with an action game based on the series? Heck, I'd take a pseudo-DMC tryhard katana brandishing Tau game at this point. >>1047704 >Here's a source of pride and jealousy of our franchise, from raycevik Good. Fuck him. >>1047734 That would require Wilson and the other fuckwits at the top to aknowledge that things other than Sportsball.exe and Star Wahs make money amongst the public and maximizing profit is all about the end result not how many extra 0s you need this month to cover your retarded expenses on what is essentially a broken tech demo for the spaghetti code of a failing engine that hasn't been updated in 15 years.

>>1048725 >Joe Mad He went off the deep end with TDS and the sjw mindvirus.

>>1048726 Wait, really? Damn shame to hear about that, really enjoyed his Darksiders and Battle Chasers games.

>>1048728 I still really like the Darksiders games but he like a lot of artists really fucking lost it.

Amazons Secret Level show has a 40k. It follows Titus...'s black squadmate as they drag a priest in a box to go combat a cult of Tzeentch. It has the animator behind Astartes on it otherwise it's really dark. There are other episodes like Unreal Tournament but I don't recommend watching it. Plus it's Amazon, they push a black character whenever they can. https://files.catbox.moe/xwodr6.mp4

>>1047279 This is out now, praise the emperor.

>>1048801 I enjoyed secret level for what it's worth.

>>1048828 It's a great Patch.

RT 40k after playing the fit girls version for 5 hours I immediately bought it and the dlc. Owlcat made such a good game that I decided to reward them with a legitimate purchase.

>>1048813 What could a soul like that be capable of? Dislike that they shoved yet another Salamander in Ultramarine armor but whatever, I'll let it slide since the animation was superb and he kept his helmet on

>>1049282 Glad people are enjoying it.

>>1049416 >pic >14 & a half meganiggers man im old, is art really going to cost that much now a days?

>>1049959 Donate to my patreon

>>1050172 UOOOH

>>1050172 If the twink is supposed to be the Emperor, then who's the slutty chaos bitch?

>>1047384 >The Horus Heresy was a fucking mistake Could be worse. You could have had your own End Times where GW fucked everything out of spite. They actually care about 40k.

>>1050288 learn more about her on hownew.ru

>>1050288 >newfags don't know about cultist-chan LMAO. hyuue neeeed tu lurk moar.

>>1050391 To be fair, cultist-chan is a rather old meme. Older than the angry marines

>>1050392 She is also a /tg/ meme so a /v/ poster wouldn't have any reason to know her. I just wanted to post more cultist-chan.

>>1050398 I don't know her either.

>>1048813 >Ultramarine with chains around his arm >that style was only held by the World Eaters and certain Imperial Fists who later became the Black Templars >and the ONLY reason why they did it was to wrap the chains around both their forearm and the hilt of their melee weapon so it would always be within reach >chainsword-wielding chain boy doesn't even do that For fuck's sake.

>>1050405 Old /tg/ meme, annoying fucking chaos cultist hwo taks leik dis al uf de taim. Usually accompanied by a perpetually annoyed chaos marine named Dranon. Always getting into all sorts of hijinks. Dranon has if I remember correctly killed chaos-chan multiple times but she always comes back because the gods are massive dicks.

>>1050412 >but she always comes back because the gods are massive dicks. Yeah in retrospect she might be the first example of a perpetual and it comes from the fandom.

>>1050412 >chaos-chan CULTIST-CHAN YOU UNCULTURED NEWFAG SHIT!

>>1050408 Titus wears the chains around his arm to signify he came from a Deathwatch company. But in this short specifically, the chains are attached to the coffin holding the psyker.

>>1050472 Daemons and chaos champions always come back. Khorne, Lucius, basically everyone in the Thousand Sons, plus let's not forget about all the times the chaos primarchs have died (Magnus, Morty, Angron, etc)

>>1050472 >>1050499 It's the explicit /tg/ lore that the gods keep bringing her back because she's so annoying and they think it's funny having her torture the galaxy (and Dranon in particular) by being so annoying

>>1050497 So the Ultrasmurf gets "da kewl thing" without even using the cool thing it was intended for. Also, rewatch the video. He's pulling the coffin with one chain and he still has the chains around his arm. While I can somewhat appreciate it as >Captain Titus met a Black Templar in the Deathwatch and started doing X especially with the recent lore of the Raven Guard realizing that the chapters have stood alone too long to the point that they're willing to team up with the White Scars to fuck up the Tau, it doesn't really work when it ends up being >oh, here's this cool thing, but he doesn't do it right Therefore, fuck you. It doesn't change the fact that it's poorly written and bad.

>>1050536 Addendum: https://wh40k.lexicanum.com/wiki/Deathwatch Ctrl + F "Chain" in lexicanum. ZERO RESULTS.

>>1050537 Maybe he saw a black templar beat someone to death with a chain, got jealous, got a chain.

>>1050474 Wait I called her chaos-chan? Why did I do that? I even got her name correct the first time, why did I call her chaos-chan mid sentence?

>>1050536 >Raven Guard >team up with the White Scars <to fuck up the Tau That's like the equivalent of two buddies going to "deer hunt" but in practice the just go out to set up in a tree, drink beer, tell old stories, and scare the shit out of all of the wild life. Because they both brought 50 cals.

>>1050543 You probably got Tzeentch'd

>>1050548 Short version - Farsight found out about imperial war-doctrine. He created his own version for the Tau called the Mirrorcodex. It became prescribed reading for the Tau when he bailed to create the Farsight Enclave. Shadowsun claims that you risk not only censure but death if you openly speak of it. The Tau managed to kill Severax, the former Raven Guard chapter master, which prompted the team up between Speed Forcers and the Wraithslippers. Both sets of information came from the 7th Edition of Warzone Damocles: Kauyon. They're trying to make the Tau a threat now.

Love the reworked ogre and orc factions in total war warhammer 3

>>1050632 Khorne is more my cup of tea, but I agree the new reworks and factions are awesome.

>>1050638 khorne is sadly too easy now especially skulltaker. Nothing beats the new gaze of mork orgasm

>>1050639 Khorne is easy as he's always been, but there's lots of challenges to be found on an individual scale, though not exactly on a campaign-scale. I had to fight lots of tight battles because I refuse to back down and will use every host to its fullest, and it feels very nice to beat the shit out of a much bigger army with a battered down blood host and then make more. Nothing so far has matched up to the fun of playing Chorfs though, those are the best.

>>1050641 Chorfs are basically the horrors of the industrial revolution crashing down on peasants I agree they are fun af. For me it's bloodhosts upkeep going from money to skull it has a snowball potential that is way too big. Also god damn those prices,glad I don't pay the dlcs

>>1051315 >this filesize jesus christ

>About 20 hours in. >Sancti Officer Master Tact. >Cassia is Novi Officer Grand Strat >Henrix is respected into pyromancy and duel blades. Soldier + Executioner. >Argenta is Soldier Arch Mili with heavy weapon focuses. >All combat boils down to me with Argenta and Cassia with Henrix. Will of Emperor, Voice of Command, etc stack all the buffs. Send Henrix off, kill in melee, activate heroic power, move around more and burn anyone he can't get in stabbing range. >if anyone is left alive, do the same to Argenta but stack range buffs, let her use burst fire with a heavy bolter (Found the gauntlets that negate recoil). 30 damage for 11 shots on target is insane, turning her into a Retributor. Abelard, Kibellah, Idira and Jae can't even compete. I used a heavy flamer with Argenta on that Genestealer cult and ended the battle before they could even move.

2248dfb8 The episode on 40k from amazon's secret level, made by blur studios. Its low on dialogue, high visual levels, and for some reason gamma is really low.

>>1051382 Obviously its a Rule of Cool Astartes styled movie, don't actually pay for this. The studio behind this actually made the cinematics for Dawn of War 1.

>>1051384 >The studio behind this actually made the cinematics for Dawn of War 1

>>1051386 Pretty cool, I've never seen the space marines depicted going canonically dexterous and nimble like that outside of the descriptions from the books.

>>1051351 >Kibellah Murder waifu when you really get her going can wipe out a map and Ylriet's Eldar ass when you make her an assassin sniper can one shot a boss or clean half it's health.

>>1051552 She's got up to 18 movement and the blood effects are real nice but I've stacked weapon skill/ willpower on Henrix and Ballistic/Agi on Argenta to the point that they kill pretty much everyon. Kabellah thinking of the Domin while on her mission and Cassia by the beach on janus was nice.

>>1051558 A high level melta Pascal is something I feel many sleep on as he plus bounty hunter with his buffs are scary.

>>1051382 I managed to compress 16 mins down to under 20mb, excluding credits. And yes, Syama Pedersen is part of the animation team

>>1051590 Thanks anon

>>1051721 Now we need one for a voidborn gf (or give me an hour and I will make one myself)

>>1051552 >>1051721 >>1051746 My daily life with the Abhuman regiment. >Alarm klaxon, morning chores >Breakfast with Ratling-chan >Morning jog with Ogryn-chan >Telling Beastwoman-chan it'll be alright or bad ending is piss in the grox feeding trough while watching Beastwoman-chan get raped by over-sized cattle >Armory maintenance with Squat-chan >Study session with Psyker-chan >Off duty, hang out with Longshank-chan >Lights out, Nightsider-chan watches me sleep again good end is she snuggles in the bunk with you Which way Commissar-kun?

>>1051746 She needs a burger

>>1051802 In space no one can haz cheezeburger.

>>1051746 Turns out it already exists >>1051794 I like it. I think I will stick with Squat-chan and Longshank-chan. Now we just need a Cata-chan

>>1051794 >Abhumans

>>1051386 Really nice. Are they on Barbarus?

>>1051866 >Spoiler Probably not seeing as the Lion reduced all the traitor homeworlds to space dust, and even then I doubt the home of the Nurgle primarch would have a shrine to a Tzeentchian demon on it

>>1051552 >>1051721 She lost a leg

>>1051981 Not even the worst thing that could have happened to her.

>>1051981 Bro can't see well I guess.

>>1051982 >>1051984 >Didn't notice the missing eye Fugg I have worse sight than her

>>1051986 Let me give you a hand.

>>1051981 Since the average guardman's lifespan in combat is measured in hours, coming back with a few bits missing is better than can be hoped for.

>>1051998 FUCKING ZUBATS

>>1052015 >He doesn't want inlaws consisting entirely of the Emprah's pokemon box of Zubats and Sableyes.

>>1052018 >fornicates with unclean disgusting

>>1052053 Calm down Black Templar-kun, these are officially recognized and sanctioned Imperial Citizens. We don't need another repeat of the Longshank incident, now do we.

>>1051794 I love this thread.

>>1051997 I didn't know that any of them ever do go home. I thought that they left forever when they deploy.

>>1051552 >16mb png jeesus mossa have mercy on our servers

>>1052080 Most of them do. Imperial guard has a pretty high casualty ratio. That being said a high casualty ratio of like 50% still leaves 50% left. even if this goes on for a long time eventually 1 person will make it back home. I mean look at her, she is missing a leg, an arm and an eye. She can't fight anymore, letting her go out there is just a waste of a las rifle. So just send her home. Obviously the imperium is pretty heartless but it is pragmatic for the most part. Guardsmen are supposed to be up to US marines standard and that missing leg alone would prevent her from reaching that standard.

>>1052131 Depends on the situation. If the guardsman likes their job and is good at it, they'll fit that guardsman with a genuine prosthetic. And not just a crappy modern-era kind, but a mechanical one like the adepts would have. This is very rare, but then again, a guardsman losing a limb and surviving and being good at their job is also very rare. I wouldn't expect to see a corporal or even most rank-and-file sergeants fitted with an exclusive Mechanicus prosthetic, but you definitely see commissars, generals, commanders, colonels, etc. (basically most officers) with them. This can range from bionic eyes to entire arms or legs. That said, the Imperium needs good teachers and instructors in war, so the schola progenium hires veterans most of all to teach their new wave of recruits in the art of war and combat. They are definitely similar to Starship Troopers in this sense, that they don't let cowards teach the incoming wave of new recruits in how to be brave.

>>1052131 Is that some new lore? As I remember it, guardsmen have virtually no hope of ever seeing their home planets again, and even the rare one-in-a-million that survives long enough to age out (lol have some juvenaut) retires to a paradise world somewhere... where they probably get killed by either a Slaaneshi pleasure cult or some Inquisitorial acolytes who, in a panic, call for an orbital bombardment when they fail to stop said Slaaneshi pleasure cult from summoning some daemonettes.

>>1052277 I know most guard veterans when they're mustered out are used as colonists for whatever worlds the Imperium colonizes/recolonizes or else to replace the native population of the world if they've been culled for heresy/witnessing heresy. Most Cadian regiments had that as their retirement plan.

>>1052277 >>1052281 Most guardsmen don't WANT to return home after having seen much of the galaxy and the diversity of worlds one could live on. They probably hear a lot about paradise worlds or decide to go on a pilgrimage to Terra. A huge chunk of the Imperium's soldiers are recruited from worlds with a surplus of population, and most likely squalid conditions. Hive-cities, agri-worlds, forge worlds, etc. I also imagine travelling between solar systems would be rather expensive and impossible for all but the most seasoned veterans.

>>1052299 >>1052277 >>1052281 I suppose it might be a bit different for an abhuman, especially a nightsider. They're going to feel way more comfortable with their own kind and on their home planet or at least another planet with a similar environment. They're also a bit more valuable than the base standard guardsman, due to being able to operate in a difficult environment for an unagumented human. If she's injured enough to not be assigned to frontline duty she could still be garrisoned back home and charged with developing a nightsider regiment for specialty deployment.

SPACE KING 2 is now out https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mrZIdiWluyg Calling the av1 encoder guy to convert and post it here

>>1052682 I hope this develops into its own full fledged thing. I hadn't watched either until the other day and it was great.

>>1052682 I loved their furry apocalypse series too

>>1052683 meant to reply to you

>>1052682 B Positive

>>1052755 I've got fighter hand stiffness, my shit won't curl up that way anymore.

Why is Roboute Guilliman pushing so hard for a Human Eldar alliance? That one Eldar waifu saved him but the rest of the Eldar seem to want Humanity gone. Could someone explain to me? I'm a newfag to 40k.

>>1052796 There are bigger threats in the universe. I think it is also partially influenced by meta reasons. People expect the Elves and the humans to be on the same side even if these elves are genocidal assholes. Thus the author has them making an alliance and helping each other even though Eldar are more than willing to kill entire planets of humans just to save a single eldar. It is just more awful new lore. Ignore it.

>>1052796 Because Chaos is about to spill out completely into real space and turn the entire galaxy into a giant Eye of Terror. The new Eldar faction is lead by an Anathama type being that wants to KILL CHAOS so they're pretty closely aligned at the moment. There's even some implication that Dad told Big G to blanda up with the Eldar even when they had their heart to heart chat. Certain factions of Eldar have always attempted to work with the Imperium, with limited success. Both sides know that the alliance is a bit self serving and neither humans nor Eldar ultimately want to be the client species of the other but considering the alternative is literally going to Hell, the adults in the room on both sides understand detente. >>1052799 >even though Eldar are more than willing to kill entire planets of humans just to save a single eldar That's because they know that they have no permanent Heaven any more while faithful humans do with the Emperor so they consider it the lesser of two evils. Also different subfactions of Eldar vary in their levels of extremism and xenophobia. For the record the Imperium is the same way. The Ordo Malleus, including Grey Knights, stood guard over a dead craftworld once to protect the soul stones so they could hand them back over to Eldar because they KNOW that permanently killing Eldar and destroying soul stones just empowers the Tranny God.

>>1052767 Were you a boxer, anon? Or did you break your hand punching a wall like a Chrischan?

>>1052682 >Shut up, you fool! They're heretics! <You know what, Hatemonger? You're a bully! >Yes. <Oh....

>>1052827 I've got retard strength, high pain tolerance, and anger issues, so I work it out punching a training dummy and hard surfaces until my hands are red.

>>1052796 >Could someone explain to me? It's a meme, and they dont like eachother. Girlyman more tight with Eldrad. And since Eldrad is an absolute bro he easily get the pass on being a xeno. >I'm a newfag to 40k First, am glad you admited it. Have fun learning more. Second, dont believe anything what the faggots on grimdank speard. 90% of the 40k misinformations came from there. Like many anon pointed it out in this thread, the Rogue Trader rpg is very good start to learn the basics. The game dialogue system has a mini wiki which sums up most of the lore bits in 3 or 4 sentences.

>>1052859 >Eldrad is an absolute bro ELDRAD IS A HUGE DICK, AN ABSOLUTELY MAJOR DICK, THE DICKEST DICK TO HAVE EVER DICKED! He's pretty cool though.

>>1052869 He's bros with Alpharius at least.

>>1052869 Speaking of Bros, I like the fact that the Fucking Silent King is a Sanguinius fan and is sad that he died.

>>1052881 how could he have known about Sanguinius?

>>1052895 Because apparently he woke up during the Great Crusade and met Sanguinius at some point, and he was so struck by how cool he was that he decided to help the Blood Angels against the Tyranids just because he respected Sanguinius that much from their one meeting (Matt Ward wrote that lore, if you couldn't tell.)

>>1052796 Because groups of the Eldar outside of Big G's waifu are reaching out to the IoM as Chaos has split the galaxy, in half and even more nid hive fleets are showing up (implication that the galaxy is surrounded). At this point a lot of figures on both ends of the IoM and various Eldar factions, are willing to put aside thousands of years worth of distrust/hatred to survive this shitshow.

>>1053040 >Calcazar looks at the Rogue Traders in the Krononus Expanse. >Calligos Winterscale is a secret Khorne worshiper who cares for nothing apart from the next fight and is a loose cannon that needs to be put down. >Incendia Chorda is a Puritan in every sense of the word and is using her entire protectorate as a middle finger to her mother and to cleanse all the Heresy she sees. Extremely unstable. >Then there's the Von Valancius scion. Didn't bomb Rykand Minoris when it turned into a Daemon world (Need to purge later), has survived countless meetings with the Dark Eldar and has a pet Eldar Ranger with her. She places people above all and is a Xeno Fetishist who doesn't turn away from the dangers of the Expanse (Darkness, Mirror). >In other words, she's naive. Yes... she will do. I can almost imagine what the Lord Inquisitor thinks of the Rogue Traders.

>>1052724 These turned out far unique and true to 40k. Furries are essentially slaanesh cultists

>>1053050 >Rykad Minoris >need to purge later I doubt Calcazar has a way to remove a daemon world. Henrix told you it's a bad idea and he was right. They're permanent and the souls of people on the planet are trapped there until they stop existing, if you let a planet go to shit that badly it will be there probably forever, threatening everything around it. There might be a dark age of technology thing that could remove it somewhere in the Imperium, but I doubt it's likely Calcazar could get his hands on that, even if he's a Lord Inquisitor.

>>1052909 that's idiotic he didn't sleep he left the galaxy in penance then met the tyranids. Ward is a hack

>Done the Entire Commoragh segment. >Killed the Execution Engine Master early on. >Now just need to Rescue Henrix. >But can't because I need to pass a fucking persuasion check from this dildo even after the Haemonculus agreed to let him go. THANKS OWLCAT.

>>1053384 Reload and try again.

>>1053392 The whole segment feels like railroading. They want to do Alushinyrra from WOTR again but it does have the same feel as scouting out a city. It's just misery of back tracking over the same 3 areas. 6 hours lost and I have to go over all the conversations and stuff again. urgh.

>>1053384 >Only a Dogmatic character can save the Commisar and the IG struck in the Pit. >No Iconoclast options. >Solitaire just laughs lol fug you. This entire part of the game was a mistake. I can clearly see they wanted to do Alushinyrra again. But in that you actually can save people by sending them back to camp, here even with a BLOODY SPACE MARINE I CAN'T ORDER THESE TROOPS TO FOLLOW ROGUE TRADER COMMISSAR CLEMENTS INTO THE PORTAL TO GET BACK TO REAL SPACE. This is railroading at it's finest.

>>1053579 Marazhai did 267 direct damage to himself with Joyful Torture. It's supposed to do strength bonus rending damage, so +7. This game is so jank. And I had to leave them at camp, then the Soltiare would bring them with me. Urgh.

>>1053579 Solitaire does save them if you ask. If you were an asshole to him or killed Eldar for no reason he may not help you out (I don't know though), but for me he promised he'd get the people in the camp to safety.

The Salt Factory released a 5:58:19sec long video about Rogue Trader. Says its the one of the best CRPG ever made.

>>1053600 >Solitaire does save them if you ask <he doesn't know Mon'Keigh, I...

>>1053613 Thanks for confirming what we already knew.

>>1053640 You chose the wrong option, Nocturne can and will save them unless you phrase your request poorly.

>>1053613 I don't agree. It's quite obvious that Owlcat had to rush the game out for Warhammer's deadline of Christmas 2023. It was so buggy at launch and even with these big patches they're still adding stuff to the game. The Commoragh segment in particular. The game just spews gloves, helmets and boots at you in multiple random chests. In Pathfinder, you'd find each individual item on a body or a single chest, not 3 - 5 chest in the same level that's passed with a single skillcheck. Theodora's murderer reveals who they are randomly before an arena fight. Yrliet's sudden betrayal and killing Achillies off-screen is something I've never seen Owlcat do in a Pathfinder game. One of the devs said they had to cut alot of content. Apparently the Rogue Trader would explore the ruined Craftworld Crudarach with Yrliet, instead her quest got tied into Winterscale's one. You can see what things they had to prioritize and what they had to cut.

>>1053613 >caring about autistic video essayist opinions

>>1053670 Yrliet's story and etc seemed less fleshed out and now we know why.

I gotta start playing on harder difficulties. The game is throwing items at me like Hunter's Focus helm for Yrliet and as a result of getting Exemplar ranks I can do something like this. 2700 damage is x47 his total health. Ulfar's also too big to be redeployed. Carnival of Misery with the bleed, burn, toxin stack/level subpassive then trigger Inflame with Henrix. That triggers burn damage on every enemy and since it does +68 damage, it's pretty much like Toybox's "Kill All" button.

>>1053670 It does have fun little ways you can change the dialogue and mission conditions, which in these days are getting rarer in crpgs.

>>1052682 Merry Christmas, ya bastards.

All worshipers of Choas deserve the same fate, to be critted by a charge more than 5 tiles away. Happy Slaaneshmas or Sanguinala or whatever.

>>1054067 Abelard when high level is a scary old fuck.

>Finish Outcast's Path. >Yrliet shatters her spirit stone for the RT. >The Farseer and other Eldar look at her with scorne. >She's helpless before Slanessh because she can't find another one. >Despite this >>1053850 level here have an entire box of EMPTY spirit stones. >And Mua'ran, the farseer who owes you a favor. You can't find another one and go back to him. I'm starting to see what mission was cut, going to the ruins of Crudarach to find a new spirit stone. God damn they cut so much.

>>1054061 Remember it's canon that the Emperor was one of Jesus's disciples, so Christmas is 100% canon.

>>1054093 They did her dirty.

>"Call on Me" to have 25 stacks of Versatility, buffs for days and to do 100+ damage to an enemy with 23 round burst from the Heavy Bolter. In case you were wondering how Argenta does so much damage, she listens to M2 era pop music.

>>1054163 she really is best girl. It's impressive such a cool girl can be still be written.

>>1054163 Kibellah here did about 20 attacks doing 270 each to Incendia. She has this annoying ability however to do a surprise attack upon fatal damage, meaning she could attack 20+ times and then fall over dead. I rushed Argenta forward in this fight, buffed and used a turn with Cassia. She then proceeded to alt Single and Burst fire attacks, culimating in using Wildfire 3 times and shooting 38 times from her improved heavy bolter. That had a capacity of 60 and I actually had to reloaded it. I haven't reloaded the bolter since Act 2.

Bounty Hunter Pasqal with buffs and de-buffs being so useful still shocks me, a high lvl Jae is also pretty good.

>>1054233 The only reason I haven't killed Sire in 1 turn is because he has a Voidshroud ability that negates all damage till his next turn. Take a look. All his stats are reduced to 1 except strength, he has 80 stacks of the 3 damage over time abilities, Yrliet inflicted Hemorrhaging, which means 80 damage due to her lethality. To be honest, I don't even know how someone did 3k damage to him. He leapt at Abelard, the game froze, then the 3rd wave of cult members spawned. I think it might have been the burning but at this point I'm hitting him with every debuff I can he lags the game everytime I pull up his character sheet. That last attack, I think he leapt at Abelard who counter attacked him or something. I don't really know cause the game froze bad then proceeded to the cutscene. 8k damage is a new record. >>1054252 Jae is okay as a 3rd officer in the group but since Cassia and my Sancti officer are the first two to move in battle and she's the last, the battle ends usually before she moves. >Iconoclast option to let a Genestealer Cult live on a desolate world. Bruh, I'm willing to tolerate Xenos like Eldar or Mutants like Navigators but I absolutely draw the line on Dark Eldar and Genestealers. I'm not letting the offspring of a Genestealer cult settle on a desolate world, that's not an Iconoclast choice, that's just stupidity. Emprah protects.

>>1054263 For me, I choose much of the Iconoclast and Dogmatic choices more out of practicality >Rykard Minoris being nuked I did that because I understood that you can't allow Chaos an inch or you'll die >Allow the Eldar to live on Janus untouched While, I will never allow the Eldar to control an IoM world I'll tolerate a working relationship with them, where they'll live in the jungles who'll help stop chaos as rent payment. >Abhuman rights If they serve the Big E and join my harem, I'll allow them to be. >The rabble They are there to work and maintain my ship, but I'll also not tolerate my officers abusing them to the point they can't work/rebel. As it fucks up my ship if the rabble refuse to work and undermines my Throne given authority, if my officers start acting like they run the place. <But that sounds like a reasonable person I view being a mix of Iconoclast and Dogmatic to be the correct choice in my opinion, as while I'm not going to place you in front of lasgun for just looking at me wrong, I'm also not going to tolerate shit no reasonable person would.

>>1054094 And the Emperor's Pal Ollie Persson is Catholic, and he's older than the Emperor too.

I didn't save anyone on rykard because while I am an ok guy, you can't give chaos an inch. Did I make the right choice?

>>1054338 Yes, you did.

>>1054176 Which is also why it's such a shame she isn't romanceable. Would that diminish her existing character or improve it?

>>1054338 Yes! The "tutorial system" is a tourist test which checks if you actually paid attention during the tutorial or being a brain dead nigger. Also Fulgrim is here, and space cocaine fucked him up. (just like real drugs do to people) By the way, Did GW just gave him snake pussy?Im not familiar with furry shit.

>>1054342 >>1054355 I try to be a man for the people in my game. If your subjects are happy they will work harder and fight for you, plus living in 40k is hard enough. But when you got a chaos marine showing up and the entire planet is turning to shit its kinda time to cut your losses. Speaking of the marine he wasnt as nasty as I was hoping. The first round he punted the sister of battle and raked my line with heavy bolter fire and when I told Abelard to go smack his nuts he swaped to melee and just kinda sat there and took it up the ass. The sniper did more damage to my crew than he did.

>>1054367 By lore standard you and your crew should just died for that one CSM. But this is a video game and a power fantasy. You and your retinue just built different. You going to kill things which even space marines cant handle. I suggest to not care about the power scale. Just enjoy the insane ride which is making every character in your band broken as Raiden in MGR. For example my RT out-abelarded Abelard with dual chainsaw wielding.

>>1054372 I am a noble and simply instructed abelard to remove it from my sight. I know about ghayos marines being fukhuge powerful but I was expecting a bit more of scraping by the skin of my teeth with that. I'm sure I'll hit a "the fun stops here" enemy eventually.

>>1054263 I'm not sure why it would even be an option unless it were something like the mutant Necromunda type genestealers that won't draw a hive fleet.

Yrliet's character path I'm still upset over. She gets alot of time in Commoragh, have actually gotten use to calling the RT elantach and yet after that scene of devotion with the missing spirit stone, her path just ends there. It's also reflected in her battle dialog where she continues to call you Mon'Keigh like when you met. I hate that so much stuff with her got cut compared to WOTR. Owlcat supposedly have 450 staff members according to their site, at least 100 core people working on projects like this. I guess even with a workforce like that they had to cut it to meet Warhammer's deadline. Found another cut section. >>1054352 It absolutely was a directive from Warhammer. Not to stain the image of the Our Martyred lady. >>1054338 That is probably the most sensible choice. Destroying an Archeotech device is a sad thing but if you can't get it off the world, better to flatten it and cause an Exterminatus than handing it over to the enemy. I managed to get it out so I didn't do that.

>>1054355 >Did GW give him a snake pussy Well, they gave him a snake codpiece and if he's anything like an actual snake he has two dicks and they're retractable. (More importantly I did notice they specified he's still using Ferrus Manus's sword that he took on Istvaan V, leaning into the regret/nostalgia angle some more?)

>>1054060 >Entire 21min video down to under 32mb in 1080p Holy Moly the mechanicus would be clamoring for such technology

>>1054381 >It absolutely was a directive from Warhammer. Not to stain the image of the Our Martyred lady. If I remember the sisters aren't chaste?

>>1054415 I think it's less that they're chaste and that the sterile super soldiers that the Imperium produces are just perma-stuck in battle-mode. Otherwise, if I was a mass-eugenics practicing civ dealing with the kind of bullshit the Imperium does, I'd want to make a mother out of basically every vetted Sister of Battle or a gene sample failing that. Doubly so of the further "successful" ones. Same with the Space Marines and Imperial Guard (so basically mass breeding Cadians, which I think they actually do?) again I think its that they're all fucking sterile, and/or they're too busy fighting shit to have a family/romance.

>>1054431 Space Marines aren't sterile, the whole thing about them being castrated either chemically or physically is one part fanon propagated by "memes" and another part a misinterpretation of the "chem gelded" rule that could be bought in the Fantasy Flight Games rpgs like Deathwatch or Dark Heresy (ignoring regular humans could buy it too) Granted there's no lore on if a Space Marine could breed with a baseline human, we have some anecdotes about Space Wolves having sex and seeing aspirants centuries later that look like them, but it's not clear if that was before or after they became space marines. We know they're hypno indoctrinated to ignore most worldly wants, which probably would include pleasures of the flesh and mostly just focus on fighting the Imperium's enemies (since that's their job) Sisters are in another grey area, where they don't take vows of chastity like the nuns in our world. But we never hear of a sister having children either. Likely for the same reason as the space marine, their job is killing the enemies of the Imperium. In terms of actual branches of the Imperium we see handling breeding. Obviously the guard, especially Cadians, encourage people to shack up and make more new guardsmen during any extended lull in the fighting. Then there's Kreig which uses cloning technology. The Ad Mech, despite disdaining the flesh, have canonical examples of a tech priest and tech priestess having a child together (gestated in an artificial womb using eggs harvested when the tech priestess still had more fleshy bits, but still) Funnily enough, we have at least one account of a female inquisitor getting hot and bothered seeing some Grey Knights out of their armor and showering, with the Knights utterly bewildered about what has her so stricken while she drools over their force rods.

>>1054372 No, you're heavily overrating Space Marines and underrating your party and the Rogue Trader himself. You are not some newbie, unless you pick the noble origin you are a veteran of countless battles, renowned accross the system. Ciaphas Cain defeated a Marine with just a little help, why would your Commissar supported by a veteran, Navigator, Psyker, an Inquisitor Psyker and a Sister of Battle fail?

>>1054439 Well on the tabletop I can kill Chaos Marines with a bunch of grots and some lucky dice rolls, so hows that for your power scaling?

>>1054439 >Ciaphas Cain defeated a Marine with just a little help First, Ciaphas undersells himself, he is highly competent. Second, Jurgen. Third, i mean you are right on this, but the after Act 3 main bosses? Or the final boss which is Big E tier?

>>1054415 Their strength comes from their purity and faith. Because they're so hellbent in believing the emperor, that grants them Sanctic manifestions on the battlefield that take the form of Archangels of deceased Saints of the Order. They're like Orks essentially but more group psychology summon pure warp manifestations than fungus boys just really wanting to win and a foot appears. The Eechisarchy then would obviously discourage carnal relations with the laypeople as that tends to form sentimentality and therefore weakness. "Bolter Nuns" is more than a joke, it's an apt description. That last attack on the Emperor by Kibellah did 860 damage and managed to stagger Emps himself. It also resulted in an audio bug where the voices echo in the back now. I guess I keep playing and hope there's another interaction somewhere that can undo the flag.

Refugees sure like 40k.

Cassia was someone's favorite. Idira gets a walled off section of a main quest to resolve her problem. Cassia gets an entire book sequence, planet system and level taking place on a Crone world. It feels like they completed her last companion quest like this, then didn't have time for the others. Bringing Yrliet to a Crone world and encountering a Harlequin Troupe. Gee, if only we could find a Soulstone here or that the Troupe Master would notice that Yrliet doesn't have one. >>1054466 It use to be untainted but then more people got in and Warhammer themselves are wanting to expand the IP beyond the nerds who'll pay $200 for a terminator squad. I had Yrliet snipe a target infront of the defiler. It killed him, triggered over-penetration and applied burning, slow and hemorrhaging onto the defiler.

>>1054471 Oh and Degraded Defense is one of the best Exemplar ranks you can have on a character. If you sacrifice an exemplar talent slot on your main damage dealers, so 1 of the 3, everytime they attack they increase the stack. So Yrliet added +9 with that over penetration, +1 stack for every 6 damage. This damage is then added for every other ally that attacks. Imagine if Argenta had +30 damage to every shot she takes. And this is before confirming crits. Granted you need it on multiple damage dealers to be effective, but if you have it on single large damage dealers like Heinrix or Yrliet then switch over to Argenta who can use the damage in a burst fire. Simple really. Charged a Herald of Tzeentch. Also here. You can find a Scrap-Code fragment that says you found it on Kiava-Gamma yet this is the Siege of Euphrates 2. Likewise the alignment description here mentions finding this psyker on Kiava-Gamma. Me thinks they made the Kiava-Gamma part like like the Minotaur Labrynith in WOTR, ran out of time, cut all the sub areas like this and repurposed it into a map for Euphrates 2. >" Shestov: Compared to the original plan, a sufficient number of systems and content were cut from the game at different stages. Here are some examples: the use of military vehicles, mass battles, craftworld, a full-fledged system of morality and fear like in the desktop prototype, changing the voidship, decorating the voidship, the production of goods and items in a trading empire, the trading system itself. " This does explain a bit. They have a full model of Leman Russ tanks but don't use them. The Voidship is a Saber Class because it's one of the only models that has been fully modeled and implemented into the game. God this just makes me hate Warhammer more for rushing this out. Have a minimum viable product yet Owlcat are capable of so much more.

What the buffs can do to Argenta. First she's firing shots that maybe do 60 damage each. With buffs from officers and abilities suddenly she's doing over a thousand. Can wipe out a Lord of Change on the first turn. Her quest just ends like that. At least she got an ending I suppose as opposed to Yrliet. But still, they used some frozen map assets they had from Sithhud's map in WOTR and just called it a day. Sigh. Also love this Warlock Blade I got from an event on Janus. Just point and the enemy dies. I assume the Eldar are cool with me having it seeing as they haven't tried to take it back yet.

I really love my fish but this goth pussy got me actin unwise.

>>1054580 Murder Waifu?

>>1054502 So Theodora used the Tech-Blight developed by Amarnat on Crudarach. Would have been nice to actually see instead of it being infodumped. One thing about all these companions quests in that reactions from other party members is non-existent. Why isn't Yrliet saying anything about the tech-blight? The Lord of Change, the Edge of Daybreak also just died and I guess we're done with him now. The whole of Euphrates 2 just kicks you back to the star map and is never mentioned by the crew or anyone. It really feels like there's no payoff to anything big happening in act 4. It's just railroaded into something happening and then moving on. The final boss of the game isn't Choas, it's Necrons for some reason. This item right here is so broken. Scaling defense against range damage, only available to an Iconoclast. These Necron Destroyers have a 95% damage reduction on the front yet Argenta is still doing 20 damage a shot. It's just hacking at them over time that you'll finally get them. >>1054580 When enemies are within 3 tiles of her and she can use leap of death, she's unstoppable. It is also nice to see just how fanatical a Death Cult is when the only references you might have for them is a unit in Soulstorm and the wiki.

>>1054650 So the only way to learn the Necron language is from the random events on the prison planet. That's something I missed. There are 5 Necron maps in act 5, meaning this is one of the most fleshed out areas in the game in terms of map design. >Doppleganger fight. They really want to drag out this part of the game. This is also the most companion interaction I've had in conversations since act 3. And Calcazar straight up admits it. This right here is Xeno Heresy, consorting with the Dark Eldar to steal suns of Imperial worlds to feed to a C'tan. He deserves death for this.

>>1054669 That's the Void Dragon if I'm remembering my models correctly. Pasqel did say he knew the feeling of being separated from Amarnat. Ending slide time. If you go Iconoclast without Nomos, the Imperium comes into the Koronus and bombs all the words back to the stone age. If you're trying to create a utopia, make sure to have a very big stick. Yes, that makes me a Heretic for using a C'tan god like Calcazar but everyone still prays to the Emperor and Choas isn't tolerated. We're pure in the eyes of Emps, I think. Rumors of the cut content will circulate long after this game is finished. The Commisar card says he stayed in the city to betray others, even though I saved him. I even made a post about it. >>1053579 >Jae for some reason spends money to hunt down the Bloodspun Web after their new mission trying to put the Emperor's Tarot back together. >Kibellah hides her feelings from the Domin, content with being a bodyguard. >DESPITE THE ENTIRE GAME TRYING TO TEACH HER TO BE HER OWN PERSON. >Heinrix went Puritan, despite me having him show mercy, which I think is supposed to trigger him over looking Xeno co-operation like on Janus. >Kibellah also influenced Idira's ending. Yet I also get the slide where she went into exile. These endings suck.

>>1054650 This is what people talked about in here last year. The final act came out of nowhere. This whole necron shit should have been a DLC where you find out why Theodora was a massive bitch. Most of my companions were dead at this point but the ones who lived got some "wtf nigger?" tier quests. The Sister went for her holy armor like it had any relevance. Her whole stick was with Theodora and that she nearly got offed during her solo mission. The SM got the bonus space wolf furry shit. Which is bullshit, because his personal quest was that how he is in beef with his chapter. You know. The shit which you went trough during the siege. One chapter earlier!!!! Every single shit in the new system were unnecessary! >>1054669 >Doppleganger Ah the fucking final nail. I might would replay the game to see the other paths IF THE FUCKING GAME NOT SPOIL IT TO ME! Why?! Just fucking why??? >>1054675 >Endings Welcome to Owlcat. Its no fucking wonder why the most popular mods are plus ending slides for WotR.

>>1054675 And that is it. They even thanked the mods. Curiously, it made an auto save before the battle, after the ending slides under the name "for Import." It could be they do more DLC in the future after the Arbites character. Urgh, what to make of this game. Okay, so if Rogue Trader started development after WOTR, that'd be Sept 2021, Russian invasion Feb 2022, they moved the studio to Cypress which took a few months to get people settled, Rogue Trader revealed June 2022, Beta June 2023, full release Dec 2023. From this timeline you can see just how cramped the dev cycle was. Even though there were 300+ people working on this, so much of act 3 and beyond is butchered to patch together a minimal viable product for Gee Dubs to release by Christmas. And that's what I don't like about this, it's just a miss match of plot-threads that get resolved too fast or don't get resolved at all. There are occasional flashes of good dialog but you don't really get to know the characters like you do in a Pathfinder game. Owlcat wanted to make Rogue Trader the tabletop and Gee Dubs didn't let them. That wasted potential is why I'm frustrated with this game. Sigh, at least I finished it. It did let me see what having a Celestian in a squad would be like with Argenta and the Heavy Bolter. It is OP as it sounds. >>1054677 I've been waiting for a year cause I've been distracted and I played WOTR at launch without Toybox. Playing an Owlcat CRPG without Toybox and bugfixes is a mistake. And if you go Dogmatic instead of Iconoclast then you get this instead. >None of the reflections can be reasoned with, even if the Iconoclast one is probably the one for whom it would be the easiest. Generic good guy who discovered the value of human life, allied with eldars, yadda yadda. Comes with Abelard as a companion. And of course, Yrliet died in his reality to save him by catching a blow that was meant for him. Even in alternate realities, she can't catch a break. Yeah, it's just such a mess storywise I'm surprised they released it. The entire 5th act is just Necrons, anything to do with Edge of Daybreak is resolved when you kill the Lord of Change

>>1054678 Oh and I just remembered. Rogue Trader reminds me a bit of Dragon Age 2, a game with a rushed production schedule to meet an unrealistic deadline set by a publisher that reused parts of previously created areas to extended gameplay yet had an ending that was fully finished and realize tied together with an overarching story that doesn't make alot of sense and companions who's stories get resolved quickly or not at all. Maybe the next 40k CRPG will be better. Who knows.

Happy Sanguinala, everynyan >>1054682 Can it be fixed with the updates that they release along the way or is it FUBAR? At the very least I don't think a sequel is out of the realms of possibility, Rogue Trader was a pretty big bit in terms of 40k games and even by Owlcat standards

>>1054783 Doubtful. It's that much of a mess they'd have to re-record dialog lines, create new quest areas and then bug test all of it. This isn't a case of the game being in EA, it's been out for over a year, they're working on 3 different projects right now so after the Arbites character I think they're done with it.

>>1054962 This guy feels so psyop'd, I had never heard of him then he gets into some dumb drama and now his art is all over the thread. The artist version of a forced meme.

>>1054964 It's one anon that's constantly posting it. Maybe the artist themselves if they found the thread.

>>1054964 >Artist draws 40k stuff both serious and non serious >Is surprised that the 40ktards of this site enjoy his art <Is this astroturfed? It seems a few Anons like the artist's work. It'd be one thing if there was a shilling of Patreon or fambox. But just posting art while still contributing to the thread? That sounds like /v/ being/v/.

>>1054783 >Can it be fixed with the updates that they release along the way or is it FUBAR? They still have more DLC on the way, so it's not impossible for Owlcat to re-add content they had to cut.

>>1054964 Maybe he, dare I say it, is just really good at drawing fanart of 40k and people are organically sharing it because it's so good/funny? Wild concept, I know.

>>1054964 But anon he triggered reddit so he's le based and every single thing he draws has to get posted Fuckin hate artists with cults of personality, prepare to see the people who spam his shit get very defensive

Why is there an effort to astroturf butthurt over some artist?

>>1054972 I was voicing my displeasure in seeing the same random faggot posted constantly, but my fellow (1)s have decided to enact CIA black ops counter-revolution tactics. Prepare for tactical strike units. Missiles are heading towards your house.

>>1054678 >Yeah, it's just such a mess storywise I'm surprised they released it. They had way too many plotlines cooking, I still love the game but Owlcat should've stuck to one or two plotlines.

>>1054978 The fact you're even pointing that out makes me wonder if you're not just him also

>>1054975 It's not just that, it's that everything was left dangling and didn't tie back into anything. There's no investigation into Theodora's death, there's no hunting for Dawn Cults to get clues on Daybreak, there's no explanation as to why Epitaph is so important apart from the C'tan shard. Calcazar just infodumps the entire plot of "Oh yeah, I had the Deldar steal suns from Imperial worlds cause I wanted to feed them to the Void Dragon." The entire Commoragh sequence is just a red herring and time waster, yet Yrliet forces the player to go there. There's stuff I like but it's such a confusing mess it's hard to make sense of.

>>1054981 Remember, fusion gun.

>>1054981 > There's no investigation into Theodora's death, What I would've liked if there was I always knew option when talking to Sister Argenta during the confession. With the only reason the RT didn't mention anything, because it caused them to gain the position. > The entire Commoragh sequence is just a red herring and time waster, yet Yrliet forces the player to go there. Because they cut her arc heavily but still wanted an excuse to go to the dark city and, because they committed to having the party's Dark Eldar murder hobo be in the game.

These vids got removed from youtube.

>>1054997 GW copyright BS again?

>>1054998 Kinda. I saved these around 2020 and the whole Astartes debacle. They were taken down and never reuploaded.

>>1055001 Now that GW backpedaled on the female custodian, I wonder if they'll back off fully on the copyright.

Why was there this weird derail attempt? >>1052796 I think the Emperor was on good terms with some of the pre & post fall Eldar, with the Emperor learning from an Autarch, the Emperor and Eldrad Ulthran's being the most notable relationship.

>>1055008 >Now that GW backpedaled on the female custodian They did? Well that was fast. Which makes the whole thing even more pointless than it was to begin with.

>>1055164 They'll reappear soon enough

>>1055164 Because they saw how sjw got stomped this year, and a want to avoid a costly backlash.

>>1055008 Saying brotherhood, and using male pronouns in a single fucking book is proof of nothing. Don't be so easy to appease nigger.

>>1055207 >>1055008 Proof?

>>1054964 Maybe, but cuckchanners just spam stuff a lot. Its probably just the rapefugees being genuinely autistic.

>>1055207 I'm not cutting GW any slack period.

>>1055226 >>1055207 This, it's a tactical retreat to try and get heat to die down. Get the anti-woke grifters to put out videos saying "We totally won bros, Warhammer has been saved!" To get the people who have slightly more iq points than normal to start consuming again. Remember, GW is panicking because a bunch of stores in the USA and Australia are ceasing to stock Warhammer because GW customer service for non company retailers is genuinely dogshit.

>>1055228 >Remember, GW is panicking because a bunch of stores in the USA and Australia are ceasing to stock Warhammer because GW customer service for non company retailers is genuinely dogshit. Oh fuck, anon you're right about retailers being less then impressed with GW. I'm friendly with the manager at my local Warhammer store, and he was telling me three months ago, that Walmart was getting pissed with GW over this shit.

>>1055235 Bro, just open GM website. Female Custodes is front and center.

>>1055251 Where? Park Placed has an artile: https://thatparkplace.com/warhammer-40k-removes-female-custodes/ >UPDATE: Despite the intentional gendered wording of the Ultimate Guide to Warhammer 40k labeling the Adeptus Custode as male, co-author Gavin Thorpe noted on BlueSky that female custodian miniatures are still a part of Warhammer. He said: “Not every miniature is included, and I don’t recall exactly, but we may have already finished that section when the series/miniature went public. (DK didn’t have access to pre-release pics).”

What games other than space marine are actually good and not jank riddled copypaste corridors with occasional LORE dumps?

>>1055569 Dawn of war 1-2 and Rogue Trader.

>>1055646 FUCK DoW2!!!

>>1055569 I love awful vidya figurines.

>>1055235 That 5th pic has made me want to see Roboute's transformation sequence. Which is kind of canon since he can't completely remove the Armor of Fate and he uses a holographic projector to appear in normal clothes when not in a military setting. Ideally more Ronin Warriors than Kill la Kill or MG style.

>>1055655 >>1055687 >WEBP. Damn, sorry for posting that shit. There should be a market for this.

>>1055569 >>1055646 Wasn't there a chart that listed all the good games? If not, then we should make one

>>1055569 Good Dawn of War Dawn of War 2 Rogue Trader Space Marine 1 Mechanicus Chaos Gate Demonhunters Alright Space Marine 2 Darktide (as of now) Necromunda Hired Gun Space Hulk Deathwing (post patches) Poor showing Dawn of War 3 Most other 40k games Foul plague of Nurgle tier any 40k mobile shit. Necron ancient tier (But still fairly good) Space Hulk: Vengeance of the Blood Angels Epic 40k: Final Liberation Chaos Gate (The Original) Fangame tier Chapter Master (quality varies by version)

>>1055941 >Fangame tier Speaking of which are there any good 40k fangames or lawyer safe knockoffs of 40k?

>>1055899 >>1055941 I can make a chart out of this if you anons want.

>>1056002 >or lawyer safe knockoffs of 40k? Starcraft, Gears of War, Marathon/Halo, Bulletstorm...trying to think of more that would "qualify" but a lot of it is the types of games people "hated" during the seventh gen. Which is rather ironic in retrospect considering how the seventh gen was defined by games about big meaty men with big meaty guns killing anything that so much as farts croocked.

>>1056011 To think those types of games are so rare now.

>>1056012 To he honest, looking back, I don't see what the issue was. I was largely disconnected from the central vidya discussion of that day, so all my knowledge of it is from hearsay. I can understand the frustration people had with game mechanics being comprimised and simplified in the name of "accessibility", and how everything from Front Mission to Ace Combat was changing their core gameplay to become shooters, but it felt like all the hate towards games and series that were unapologetically masculine in and of themselves was manufactured.

>>1056020 Over exposure is a huge part of it. People will get sick of the same thing being given to them over and over. So because Halo and CoD was popular we got a slew of marines and military shooters. It is like how after league got popular we got a 1001 ASSFAGGOTS trying to get a piece of the pie. Or how after sonic got popular we got a million mascot platformers, Or how FNAF got popular and now the term "mascot horror" is a thing. I do wonder if the success of space marine 2 is going to lead to a return to grim sci-fi shooters.

>>1056023 SM2 is still considered niche even if it was a success. I think more normalfag pandering in the next few years will try to reflect Baldurs Gate 3, Diablo IV, and PoE.

>>1056010 So do I, it can be tier based and genre based so others can check what kind of gameplay it offers

>>1056010 Yes please do. >>1056011 Those technically qualify but they never really had the same scifi gothic feel that 40k has (had?) no the scifi hair metal that earlt 40k had so they just don't scratch the same itch for me. Big dude with heavy armor and a gun on some generic space ship or alien planet doesn't do it for me the same way that big dude in baroque armor with a gilded gun on a space cathedral or walking through Hell as conceived by Pieter Bruegel does. Although the former is still miles better than the fucking iphone scifi "aesthetic" we get now.

>>1056045 >they never really had the same scifi gothic feel that 40k has (had?) There's also Quantum Theory, the entire Doom franshise, the entire Quake franchise, the entire Alien franchise (And it's AVP spin-offs), Prey...I want to say Contra and R-Type but those are completely different.

>>1056058 R-Type is completely different but Contra's closer.

>>1056058 You know what I'd like to see is a 40k game, fan or otherwise, done in the stylo fo the old arcade AVP sidescroller with Marines killing genestealers.

>>1056045 >big dude in baroque armor with a gilded gun on a space cathedral or walking through Hell as conceived by Pieter Bruegel does A perfect encapsulation of why the only thing 40k has going for it is the Imperium and every other faction is generic sci-fi sludge except the orks

>>1056020 They were generic slow console shooters with hardly any depth or reason to replay. At least Quake Wars and Fuels of War had some scope to them.

>>1056100 >Chaos >Tyranids >Generic SciFi sludge Fag

>>1056098 What I'd like to see is 40k games, fan or otherwise, done in the Contra style as Run And Guns.

>>1056117 You mean Warhammer 40,000: Shootas, Blood & Teef?

>>1056155 I almost forgot that game existed. I liked it, despite how short it was. It was the first 40k game to include the White Scars, believe it or not. I think that game is really cute and underrated, to be honest. I hope the devs were able to make a profit.

>>1054964 Things that become too popular should rightfully evoke suspicion and be moderately to completely shunned. Thank you for fighting the good fight

>>1056110 >Tyranids >Generic SciFi sludge Correct.

>>1056034 >>1055899 >>1056034 Here's a general premise how it would look

>>1056387 You want something like this?

Before I do anything, I want this thread to decide what tiers and what games go into said tiers.

>>1056348 I don't give a shit if you played the garbage that is Starcraft before knowing about 40K. Tyranids were based off Xenomorphs and outside some copycat Alien flicks there's barely any hivemind scifi media like that, much less in terms of scale. Not my fault you played nothing but Halo and Dead Space like a queer.

>>1056390 I like >>1056387's start, I think if we can narrow down on a single 40k game as "the best" then it should be in an "Emperor Tier" all on it's own. I at least think there should be more tiers that represent a bad product than a good product, for the simple reason being that there are so few good 40k games compared to a lot of trash. As for the other tiers, in order of best to least: >Primarch Tier >Chapter Master Tier >Squad Champion Tier >Neophyte Tier >Chapter Serf Tier >Civilian Tier >Servitor Tier >Heretic Tier With Neophyte being 'mediocre' or just barely passing, and everything below it being worse and worse appraisals. An example of Civilian tier would be Fire Warrior, and an example of Heretic tier would be Dawn of War III

>>1056412 Alright that sounds good, now this thread just has to decide what games fit into what now. I personally agree with DoW 3 going into Heretic tier.

>>1056412 >Emperor Tier DoW1 No fucking argument

>>1056427 Because love can bloom?

>>1056429 No

What games capture the kriegsman feel better?

>>1056424 I agree with the sentiment about Dawn of War 1 being in Emperor Tier but I'll let others vote on that before it gets decided I can only speak for the 40k games I played personally, but >Primarch Tier Space Marine 1, Rogue Trader, Mechanicus, Boltgun >Chapter Master Tier Space Marine 2, Final Liberation, Shootas Blood and Teef, Space Hulk: Deathwing >Squad Champion Tier Darktide, Dawn of War II, >Neophyte Tier Hired Gun, Chaos Gate: Daemonhunters >Civilian Tier Gladius, Fire Warrior >Servitor Tier Any of the mobile games >Heretic Tier Dawn of War III

How good is that 2013 Space Hulk game?

>>1056392 >Tyranids were based off Xenomorphs and outside some copycat Alien flicks there's barely any hivemind scifi media like that, much less in terms of scale. Lel, are you kidding? The Tyranids are a direct rip-off of Starship Troopers. As for unstoppable waves of giant alien bugs coming to devour every living thing on a planet's surface for biofuel, that shit has been a sci-fi staple since Teenagers from Outer Space. https://inv.nadeko.net/watch?v=Q5H_nc9ZxxE

>>1056452 Has there ever been a depiction of Daemon Pert?

>>1056452 Will work on the chart.

>>1056507 >The Tyranids are a direct rip-off of Starship Troopers The book? Can't be, the bugs aren't a Hivemind there The movie? Tyranids are from 1993, the movie is from 1997 Either way you're full of shit! McFucking kill yourself

too bad there never be no good lore for it again the gods correspond with the moral foundations we have in real life

>>1056557 Get this shit out of my sight!

>>1056544 >>1056388 We can collaborate on the chart together, come up with images and descriptions. What should be added next? A list of all games cover art should be easily posted here >>1056412 We should first focus on top games and their strengths and later keep the rest in their designated tiers. Don't need more than 5 tiers.

>>1056540 I'm not even sure if he is a Daemon Prince now. IIRC he and his sons never chose a single chaos god to favor. Just like Abaddon who isn't a daemon prince yet, he's intentionally trying not to pick a chaos god and maintain what little free will he can

>>1056452 >darktide below space marine 2

>>1056608 Besides having an atrocious start, it is also plagued by reddit-tier censorship and moderators, plus is bloated by premium cosmetics over adding actual gameplay content. Both are well-made but SM2 clearly had more love put into it and care for the community.

>>1056609 Played that game for almost 1.000 and while the vox operators minus Morrow/Kx8/Hastia/Hadron are all insufferable, the gunfeel is unmatched. I don't give a single fuck about the premium cosmetics because they don't give bonuses or anything (the redacted penance ones are also free and superior looking). the crafting got unfucked and the new weapons are fun. You can even make ogryns work on Havoc 40. The moderators being annoying is just a symptom of playing on discord. Meanwhile SM2 runs like shit, full of fanservices like "haha he said the codex doesn't support this action" while the gameplay is some gears of war clone. So yes your honor I do prefer Darktide's gameplay over Space Marine 2 fun two hours worth of gameplay. I like to PLAY my games

This chart is going to be interesting.

>>1056610 >I don't give a single fuck about the premium cosmetics because Stopped reading there

>>1056452 I would put deathwing way down. That game is barely functional.

>>1056610 >while the gameplay is some gears of war clone. I am convinced the people who say this has never played gears of war. Space marine is nothing like gears of war. What the fuck are you people talking about?

>>1056634 They think every third person shooter with heavy movement and big gun is gears of war, despite having no cover mechanics or such

>>1056452 My list is below. >Primarch Tier Rogue Trader, Dawn of War 1 + 2, Darktide >Chapter Master Tier Space Marine 1 + 2 >Squad Champion Tier Mechanicus, Battlefleet Gothic Armada 2 >Neophyte Tier Shootas, Boltgun, Chaos Gate: Daemonhunters. Decent. Boltgun got boring after 3 hours at which point I just went to play some other of the dime-a-dozen FPS with a similar retro aesthetic, but it's still decent. >Civilian Tier Gladius, Dawn of War 3. DoW 3 is well below the other DoW, it might fail to capture the 40k feel and aesthetic and disappoint me immensely with its mediocrity and bad ideas, but all things considered it is still functional and mediocre. That's more than I can say about the titles below. >Servitor Tier SH : Deathwing. Deathwing at its best is boring and annoying to play, at worst it had bugs and jank every milisecond. Maybe the enhanced edition fixed it, but from what I read it made some things even worse. >Heretic Tier Hired Gun. This is garbage and only the aesthetics are above trash. Combat's awful, animations horrible and the game system seems to want you to engage with them because the devs are retarded and want you looking at exactly what's bad about the game, weapon limitations are annoying and retarded, weapons feel weak, jank and bugs everywhere. This is the worst FPS I've played in the last two decades and I'm not even joking here. I can't even think of a worse one, really. This is like an extremely poor man's Doom 2016 with a 40k skin.

>>1056610 >I don't like SM2 Fair enough >It plays like Gears >I prefer Darktide Alright you need to be lobotomized

>>1056045 >>1056100 To follow up I was talking about things like this. This is probably the best non WH space knights that I've ever seen. Why don't more games feature guys like this?

>>1056667 Games are gay as fuck, most modern media is Sterilized for mass consumption by megacorps

>>1056667 >Why don't more games feature guys like this? Blame the Communists for ruining science fiction since the mid-1930's and driving out anyone who didn't politically agree with them. They're the biggest reason why the only media that currently exists as interstellar fantasy is Star Wars.

>>1056671 >furfag rambling about supposedly historical nonsense that he mostly just made up And this relates to how communists made warriors in power suits not a popular sci-fi trope anymore? Break down that causality for someone who isn't schizophrenic. inb4 "look it up" Fuck you. I have already devoted more time to your shit than it deserves.

>>1056667 Because nearly every sci-fi property with any popularity is already owned by a handful of companies that would rather keep re-selling the same crap than develop anything original in the genre.

>>1056676 >supposedly historical nonsense that he mostly just made up <When the archives are listed right there in the video

>>1056671 >Star Wars >exists Not for very much longer.

>>1056679 Considering its a 30 minute long video made by a furry nerd with an unpleasant voice to listen to, I don't blame him for not bothering to use it The fact that the furry uses archive.is is a point in his favor though, but I personally can't be assed to listen to some wannabe e-celeb.

>>1056591 >We can collaborate on the chart together, come up with images and descriptions. What should be added next? A list of all games cover art should be easily posted here Will do.

>>1056667 Here's another example. Less pulp but more elegant.

>>1056155 >>1056181 I gave the PS4 version a try, and it ran at 30FPS. How do you even manage to make a 2D game run this badly?

>>1056610 Darktide moderators banned my in-game name multiple times and I had to maneuver around the filters to restore it. They also banned my friend entirely from playing on his steam profile. Luckily the family sharing worked for him when he made a new Steam account. This isn't merely a discord thing. Also the devs spending more time and effort on cosmetics than the gameplay should absolutely matter to you. It's also rather annoying that there are so few maps and the new game mode is basically just what the chaos wastes were in Vermintide 2 - totally lazy copypastas of old maps but with a color filter. SM2 has incredible detail, a good story, memorable characters, good gameplay (though worse than SM1) and fluid animations. It's also receiving free updates with more content. I guarantee you money that Fatshark is only making every content update in Darktide free because they received such outstanding backlash in the first year after the game's launch. This is a major issue as anyone could tell. Would you give Cyberpunk 2077 a posthumous GOTY award considering its current state compared to what it was on release? >>1056632 Deathwing II is also barely functional? I don't remember ever having performance issues when I played that. >>1056645 Why would you put Mechanicus at Champion rather than at a tier higher? Not saying you're wrong but I personally consider it great. It was rather easy on release but it was at least a competent game and had excellent characters and soundtrack. I also think you're going too hard on Boltgun. You need to compare it to what other "boomer shooters" I say this ironically have to offer.

>>1056684 Star Wars was over in 1983.

The one thing that's prevented me from diving into the new 40k games is that they're all so Ultramarine focused. I don't have a problem with them per se, in fact they're a pretty nice Chapter/Legion but they are at the same time very much Vanilla Marines. I understand why they're the focus with them being sort of the GW mascots right now but it would be nice to play as someone else for a change. I will admit that some of the variant armors look rather nice.

>>1056936 It's why dawn of war stood out so much, focusing on a Thousand Sons successor chapter, the Blood Ravens

>>1056939 And even then that's very much in the background and implied. You would think something like Boltgun at least could give you the ability to unlock marines from different Chapters with their own specific livery, loadouts, and perhaps skills for subsequent playthroughs.

>>1056823 >new mod is chaos waste and not winds of magic alright you really know your shit lad.

>>1056936 I'm so fucking sick of the Ultrasmurfs

>>1057058 How do you think it feels being an Iron Hands fan?

>>1057076 IRON WITHIN, IRON WITHOUT!:^)

>>1057076 You should just switch to the superior Iron Warriors.

>>1056823 >Why would you put Mechanicus at Champion rather than at a tier higher? Not saying you're wrong but I personally consider it great. It was rather easy on release but it was at least a competent game and had excellent characters and soundtrack. I also think you're going too hard on Boltgun. You need to compare it to what other "boomer shooters" I say this ironically have to offer. Boltgun is average when it comes to the various so-called boomer shooters. There's lots that are better, from Dusk to Project Warlock. I liked it, but it's nothing special, a 6.5 or 7/10 title. Concerning Mechanicus, the gap between Squad Champion and Chapter Master is close to nothing, I initially thought about putting SM1+2, Mechanicus and BGA2 in the same tier, but that'd leave one tier completely empty of any games, so I went with my gut feeling here.

>>1057095 >boomer shooters Please don't use their term for that. Just call it a retro FPS or classic FPS or something like that.

>>1057101 Okay, "paper shooter" guy.