JUST FUCKING BUY IT OH WAIT YOU CAN'T!!!

>>1067016 Editors's note: only 20% of the silicon is viable 5090 material

I managed to buy an RTX5090!

>>1067011 This is the poorfags thread? The one that everyone is just an smug asshole that cant actually buy something newer than their old Core 2 Duos?

>>1067034 This is the poorfags website, anon. Look at "Top Boards" on 8chan.moe, 4 top 7s are Hispanic. 8chan.moe's been philosophically poorfag since the rapefugee nation attacked.

>>1067015 If only they invested in multi-card generation technology instead. >>1067034 I can afford an upgrade without issues, but I'm just waiting for prices to drop still. Too much of everything feels like I am getting ripped off.

So, what was the point of that 5000 series "launch"? They reportedly only had 350~ RTX 5090s for the entirety of North America. Most stores didn't get a single unit.

>>1067040 To try and make people think people want them.

>>1067030 >>1067034 wew lad! >>1067040 Marketing

>>1067040 Either it is manipulation attempts from nvidia or maybe they were trying to beat the tariffs and this was all that got through. I know china had most of it's slave labor on break due to the new year holidays and shit so production probably got slowed by that as well.

Edward Snowden says the 5000 series is "F-tier value for S-tier prices." https://www.tomshardware.com/pc-components/gpus/edward-snowden-slams-nvidias-rtx-50-series-f-tier-value-whistleblows-on-lackluster-vram-capacity https://archive.md/vGzTn >An infamous former U.S. National Security Agency (NSA) contractor and whistleblower has unexpectedly shared his opinion on the state of the graphics card market. Naturalized Russian citizen Edward Snowden has called the recently released Nvidia GeForce RTX 5080 “a monopolistic crime against the consumer” due to its “crippling 16GB.” Imagine his ire if he was considering the upcoming RTX 50 laptop family... >https://x.com/Snowden/status/1885363355734413321 >You can see the full comments if you expand the tweet above. Snowden is brutally clear in sharing his disappointment with the RTX 50-series (Blackwell) family VRAM quotas. However, his opinion isn’t dissimilar to that of Tom’s Hardware GPU editor. In our review of the Nvidia GeForce RTX 5080 Founders Edition earlier in the week, we also grumbled about the VRAM gap between the RTX 5090 (32GB) and the RTX 5080 (16GB, the same amount as the RTX 4080/S). >We also noticed that some modern games like Indiana Jones and the Great Circle, running 4K are already constrained by 16GB. So, we wrote that “24GB would have been far better for a $1,000 (or more) graphics card,” resulting in the RTX 5080 being an underwhelming second-tier offering from the new Blackwell series. >Things slide into even more desperate VRAM constraints lower the RTX 50-series GPU stack. In contrast, the RTX 5070 Ti with 16GB GDDR7 on a 256-bit bus (basically the same memory config as the RTX 5080) might find some favor among consumers; the ‘70’ card this generation comes packing 12GB VRAM, just like last gen. Thus, it isn’t surprising that Snowden also called out the RTX 5070, asserting that it “should have had 16GB VRAM minimum.” >It is easy to agree with the criticism of the Green Team’s stingy VRAM specifications for its new Blackwell series of consumer graphics cards. In February 2021, the chipmaker launched the popular RTX 3060 with 12GB as standard and lowered the RTX 3050 to 8GB. The consumer Blackwell series offering the RTX 5070 with 12GB and its expected RTX 5060 SKUs with as little as 8GB seems retrograde in 2025. As mentioned in the intro, laptop buyers are even less fortunate, particularly the RTX 5070 and 5060 laptop GPUs with 8GB VRAM, which appear to be hobbled at birth in the VRAM stakes. >AMD has yet to launch the Radeon RX 9700 XT, but leaked specifications have pegged the RDNA 4 GPU and the regular Radeon RX 9700 with 16GB of VRAM. Of course, the kind of performance the pair of RDNA 4 GPUs will bring remains to be seen. AMD's next-gen GPUs will reportedly hit the market in late March.

>>1067064 What is an "S-tier price"? I'm pretty sure there were graphics processors that cost more than $2k in the 80s before adjusting for inflation.

>>1067064 >We also noticed that some modern games like Indiana Jones and the Great Circle, running 4K are already constrained by 16GB <some games <are already constrained <by 16GB VRAM

>>1067075 On max texture and particle quality, usually.

>>1067075 Pic unrelated?

>>1067015 >Fake launch >Fake frames

>>1067064 >>1067075 I have a pressing question: does anyone actually care?

>>1067100 The people dumb enough to want to buy a 5000s series, and me because I want to laugh even harder and how stupid they can get!

>>1067104 >and me because I want to laugh even harder and how stupid they can get! How much more "stupid" can you get than a box with a 126 thousand triangles?

>>1067034 I did post my new 5k computer build last thread. >>1045304 >>1067075 My reaction when my comp starts in 20 seconds and loads all games almost instantly off an SSD. It feels like I entered the future.

>>1067034 Even if you had money to buy a 5090 the scalper bots will grab it first while the retailer's website lags & throws an error. If it's the 5080 on the other hand, which doesn't reliably beat a 4080 Super & in some cases ties with it, then you have a far better chance at beating the scalpers for a card that's inferior to a 4090. HUB did a video comparing specs-wise generation-to-generation & concluded that the 5080 is essentially a 70-class card. https://inv.nadeko.net/watch?v=J72Gfh5mfTk

>>1067130 >HUB did a video comparing specs-wise generation-to-generation & concluded that the 5080 is essentially a 70-class card.

This would be an amazing time for AMD to come out with their new gen at a reasonable price and in actual quantities, so of course I'm looking forward to see how they manage to fumble an easy win yet again.

>>1067229 Rumors already have them at similar anemic vRAM numbers, though.

>>1067229 I love reading through posts about AMD v Nvidia and how it always devolves into "DLSS is better than FSR, so get Nvidia" We are at a point where retards are fighting over which company will give them better fake frames and resolution instead of actual performance to price ratio.

>>1067189 Not really.

>>1067265 What distro are you running that (out of the box) detects windows programs and auto launches/configures Wine for you? I was able to install DirectX from my Age of Empires CD when I was a small child in the late 90s. I didnt even know what DirectX was. I just clicked next, next, next to get my game loaded. Ubuntu, Fedora, et al do not offer that experience last I checked. At the very least you need to know what Wine is, probably the easiest option is installing the Bottles flatpak. But again no 7 year old will instinctively know how to do that. Either you underestimate how braindead easy installing Windows software is, or you overestimate how easy installing shit on Linux is.

>>1067294 There is nothing to "configure" in wine in 99% of instances anymore. >or you overestimate how easy installing shit on Linux is. I underestimated how hyperbolic you were being. So yes, you would have to tell a 9 year old where the 3 buttons in lutris they need to click are instead of them just intuitively having a big button letting them run any random binary they come across.

>>1067297 Most distros dont come with Lutris preinstalled, so you would also have to teach the 9 year old how to install Lutris. The Windows 95 experience was literally >insert CD ROM >click next on everything >the game starts playing Also >I underestimated how hyperbolic you were being. >i posted on 8chan and expected normalnigger responses retard, perhaps you should create a reddit account instead

>>1067300 I don't think you quite understand what a normalnigger is, or what the word hyperbolic means. The point was that it's pretty easy to use wine, not that it is a literal 1:1 experience with how you install software in windows. Your pedantic autism is significantly more reminiscent of how "redditors" or women communicate whenever they experience confrontation. The vast majority of anons on this board have long since aged past the obnoxious way you're attempting to navigate this conversation.

>>1067265 >>1067294 >>1067297 >>1067300 >>1067304 Is WINE "easier" or "harder" to install than trying to get Kega Fusion to run Sega CD games? Or configure PSXeven to play PS1 games? Because that what I was doing at 9 years old.

RTX 5080 Is Worst Ever 80-Series GPU In Terms of Generational Leap https://tech4gamers.com/rtx-5080-worst-80-series-gpu/ https://archive.ph/LhiZs >Nvidia’s recently launched RTX 5080 is being publicly lambasted for its poor performance uplift over the RTX 4080. In fact, the GPU can sometimes be slower than the RTX 4080 Super. Comparisons with past generations make the latest release even more disappointing. The RTX 5080 is Nvidia’s worst 80-series GPU in more than a decade, leaving it with nothing but a price advantage over its predecessor. Why it matters: The Blackwell lineup of gaming graphics cards is proving to be one of Nvidia’s most disappointing generations. It seems that this lineup has nothing but software features as its selling point. >As shown by Daniel Owens, Nvidia typically offered anywhere from a 24% to a 49% performance uplift over last-gen 80-series graphics cards dating all the way back to 2013. This changed with the RTX 5080, which is just 15% faster than the RTX 4080. It should be noted that this figure may vary from reviewer to reviewer, but the new 80-series GPU certainly offers the worst generational jump. Moreover, Daniel Owens goes on to show how this is the only 80-series GPU that performs worse than the last-gen flagship. This is further supported by an image via 3DCenter, which highlights a nearly 20% gap between the RTX 5080 and RTX 4090. >Because of its performance, many believe the RTX 5080 is just an RTX 5070 in disguise. While this might come as a shock, the gaming giant previously attempted to sell the RTX 4070 Ti as the RTX 4080 12GB. As such, Nvidia appears to have pulled a similar move this generation.

>>1067343 I hope UDNA blows away Nvidia

>>1067343 PC gaming will be at a crossroads when next gen consoles release with 32GB of memory.

>>1067347 >when next gen consoles That's if they even happen.

>>1067229 Could Intel ARC be a good high-end GPU competitor? So far, the midrange B580 and B570 seem to be fine at MSRP or less (not sure about the drivers or hardware encode/decode), but they're too expensive right now.

>>1067349 If they improve it past a 60-class product, sure.

>>1067347 >PC gaming will be at a crossroads when next gen consoles release with 32GB of memory. GDDR is expensive. Current speculation is PS6 will have 24GB GDDR7. They will continue faking 8k with PSSR.

>>1067367 >GDDR is expensive It's really not. The RTX 50 series offers GDDR7 at similar configurations and prices compared to the GDDR6 equipped RTX 40 series, if there is a price difference then it's only marginal at best. As a consumer you can go out right now and buy a 32GB kit of DDR5 for $100. Memory is dirt cheap these days. >Current speculation is PS6 will have 24GB GDDR7 32GB on a 256-bit bus, which would be a continuation of the PS4 and PS5 memory configuration is more likely to happen than Sony switching to 24GB on a 384-bit bus that would require a bigger GPU and more power to take advantage of. Consider that Sony was fairly quick in revising the PS5 heatsink design to use less copper, which should tell you where the actual cost savings are; not the memory chips. >They will continue faking 8k with PSSR. Boring. 240fps with fake AI frames like Nvidia.

>>1067347 >when next gen consoles

>>1067414 have all of my upboats fellow redditor

Aside from people who do AI generating slop and retarded normalniggers, who even needs to upgrade from their last gen GPU.

>>1067420 GTX 980 here. I still have no need to upgrade. I lived through the era of 15 FPS console games, so I'm literally fine with the occasional "modern" PC game running at sub-30 with everything on low.

>>1067431 You're an absolute madman and I love for you for it.

Are there any anons here that have built a PC with an Intel Battlemage B580 as your video card? How was it for gaming? I'm considering getting one.

>>1067468 >intel

>>1067468 They have driver bottlenecks on low end CPU's which gimp their performance.

>>1067412 >240fps with fake AI frames like Nvidia. What's funny is the people on lower end cards getting shit frame rates benefit LESS from Multi-Frame-Gen because the lower your base frame rate is the more noticeable artifacts will be. MFG really is supposed to be for people with those new 240Hz monitors if they're already getting 100+ fps as their base frame rate, because if the base frame rate is high then there is so much information from the ample amount of REAL frames that the FAKE frames become less obvious. Whereas the lower the base frame rate is the less information MFG has to work with & the interpolated frames will look worse & be more noticeable. Those hoping that MFG would help lower end cards are in for a rude awakening when they see how noticeable the visual artifacts are with a low base frame rate. Probably won't stop them from using it though since they'll be able to turn on visual settings they otherwise wouldn't be able to use at all like full path-tracing.

>>1067490 Anon you vastly overestimate the average toaster user, they will use MFG with 15 base framerate and pretend it's not the worst shit ever Don't believe me, see the lossless scaling reviews / forums, also the various recommendations of it on the internet, an remember lossless scaling is way worse than Nvidia FG / MFG.

>>1067420 You could ask that question of anyone who made an incremental upgrade past the 10 series. Eventually you toss some coin just to lower your electric bill, but it doesn't seem nvidia offers that this gen.

>>1067490 >>1067493 the only thing frame gen/AI gen should be used for is games that are permanently locked at 30fps, like most console games or PC games made by idiots.

>>1067509 Framegenerating a 30fps game to 60 doesn't need AI faggotry and looks fine using plain algorithms as proven by SRB2Kart's various forks. Also I'd wager most people would be better off using 240hz monitors to emulate CRT beam scanning on 60hz content for better motion clarity. >>1067294 >installing Windows software >braindead easy <he doesn't remember 1990s soundcard+MIDI fuckery <he doesn't remember glide autism <he hasn't hex edited a .dll to get proper widescreen on Windows ME Wine adds a few extra steps but isn't "hard" if you're used to modding shit.

Back with a quick update of the little Core 2 Duo project, where I try to get as much mileage out of the limited C2D PCs! Last test I used craptops from 2008 & 2009, with the 2008 Portable Potato not able to emulate Dreamcast games well unlike the 2009 Super Portable Potato. This time I used 2 desktop toasters that are one year released apart from each other just like the craptops were. Here are their specs: The Brave 2008 Toaster >CPU: Intel C2D "Penryn" (E8335), 2.66GHz >GPU: Radeon HD 2600 PRO >Native Resolution: 1680x1050 >RAM: 4GB PC2-6400 DDR2 (6GB is max) >Storage: 320GB HDD The Courageous 2009 Toaster >CPU: Intel C2D "Penryn" (E8135), 2.66GHz >GPU: GeForce 9400M >Native Resolution: 1680x1050 >RAM: 8GB PC3-8500 DDR3 (Max) >Storage: 320GB HDD This test was more of a quickie as I figured that if either of them emulated Dreamcast games good, then they shouldn't have problems with PSP & DS games. Sega Saturn will likely still remain unplayable even if I found the last & powerful C2D PC. So how did they both do, result-wise? Both toasters emulate Dreamcast games like a champ! Config-wise, they used Redream as that still provided the best performance as opposed to the standalone flycast & libretro flycast options since they both tanked in the toasters. Rendering resolution is still stuck at 1280x960 which is a bit more noticeable than on the craptops, but I could deal with it since gameplay performance is still good. The games used as benchmarks were the same as the last, Sonic Adventure 1 & Dead or Alive 2. While it's not really a surprise that the 2009 toaster is good at Dreamcast emulation since the craptop from the same year also did it as well, I am pleased to see that the 2008 toaster can also do it when the 2008 craptop could not. I highly doubt a 2007 C2D machine (with either the T7200 or T7600 chips) in either desktop or craptop form will be able to do Dreamcast emulation. They could still have their use as retro gaming machines where they top out at PS1 & N64 emulation, the same platforms that older Raspberry Pi models also topped out at. Remade post as the previous one was very broken

>>1067690 but can it run Crysis?

>>1067699 JENSEN

>>1067690 You really would want what was the peak of that era's budget minded high end" build to round things off >Q6600 or E8400 + OC >X48 mobo with DDR3 >8800GT 512MB

Not sure if this is the right thread, but I have an older system with an Intel i7-2600K (its iGPU is disabled in BIOS, though I’m not sure if that’s relevant here). I’m trying to use an NVIDIA GTX 560 (1GB) to run Linux Mint. The card works perfectly fine in Windows 10 with the latest available drivers from NVIDIA (even though it's no longer supported). However, whenever I install Linux, the only driver that seems to work is the open-source Nouveau driver. While it functions, the performance is significantly worse compared to Windows. I’ve tried installing the proprietary NVIDIA driver from the Mint repository, but every time I do, I just get a black screen. The only way to recover is to boot into safe mode and uninstall the driver, reverting to Nouveau. Does anyone know how to properly install the legacy NVIDIA driver for this GPU on a modern Linux distro? I’ve read that older drivers can be patched to work with newer kernels, but I haven’t found a good tutorial or had any luck with it. Would installing an older version of Linux be my only option? I’d prefer to avoid that if possible.

>>1067690 A few tips for that 9400M, there's 3 versions of that laptop card and the only difference between them is clockspeed and I don't think there's any binning difference between them you can probably overclock it to the highest end one which is 580mhz if you have one if the other 2. Another tip is that it doesn't have any vram and shares ram with the CPU so ram speed will be very important if you have anyway of configuring it, this also has the side effect of making it faster than the Geforce 210 (oem version) which is based on the same card but has vastly lower ram speed than the 9400M. The non OEM version of the geforce 210 uses the Tesla 2 architecture and I have no idea what changes it made from the first, but it should still be slower because of how awful its vram speed is. There's also rare cases of 9400Ms using mxm slots which may require some driver edits but they can be upgraded to other mxm 2.0 gpus

>>1067690 Sage for double posting but as an aside, I love that the Japanese Cake BIOS works with both Redream & Flycast (even if the game performances tanked on the latter, which isn't the BIOS fault) Much easier to just download the cake, rename it to boot.bin, & drop it in redream or flycast's folder than soldering a chip to the console's board And a little pointless when GDEmu can be plugged in the GDI slot to play any import games, sans the devkit startup IMO, the devkit startup is more fitting on PC but that's my taste.

>>1067854 After doing some more reading it seems like the problem is the kernel. Vision 5.15 and "maybe" 5.17, are the last to officially support Nvidia hardware that needs the 390 series of drivers. Linux kernel 5.18 and above is a dead end for any hardware that needs official 390 series drivers. Looks like I need a downgrade to Linux mint 21.3 with kernel 5.15 (very annoying). Anything I do to make sure that auto update doesn't Force a kernel update? >>1067872 Are the cake bios still being actively developed?

>>1067854 >GTX 560 Just upgrade your computer at that point

>>1067854 >GTX 560 Go online and buy a used RX 5700 or RTX 2070 (preferably RX if you're on Linux). You can find either of them for around $100 and they'll be 8-10x more performant, you can find older and lower-end cards even cheaper. You are trying to run a low-end card from 15 years ago. This is like those guys in the mid 2000s trying to use a i486, I hate abundant e-waste and the hyperconsumerist culture within tech, but comes a time where you just have to buy new gear. I apologize, I know this isn't the answer you were looking for or wanted to hear, but I assure you that replacing your GPU is a good idea for multiple reasons. If you're trying to create a Linux machine specifically using old/spare parts, you should know Nvidia hardware is infamously awkward with Linux and especially older Nvidia hardware. You might have a project that's more hassle than it's worth. >>1067887 You should be able to use package holds to prevent any kind of update if you want.

>>1067887 >Are the cake bios still being actively developed? He announced his return 6 months ago. >Pretty much no communication in the past years but now I can announce I am back in the dreamcast dev. A new bios is in development with a couple of, I hope, nice builtin features. I would also like to add a feature for gamedev and open source some projects. See you all soon! https://xcancel.com/jc_dcdev/status/1818313407856050641 Posted last month, where I guess the release wasn't ready yet. >Well, I am late in my release… a couple of freshly discovered bugs are now fixed but there is still a 1.5 feature left to implement. I am also going to write an article on my blog to explain a bit the cost of turning a static patch into a user option. See you soon! https://xcancel.com/jc_dcdev/status/1877305930703897074 When he was asked for an ETA on release, he answered. >I thought I could make it for Christmas but as I am also changing job I could not spend as much time as I wanted… I can release something soon but some features would be missing :/ I’m gonna have more time soon so I would say in 1 or 2 months. https://xcancel.com/jc_dcdev/status/1878121504337973638

>>1067905 Depends on his region, in argentina a 2070 is probably $600.

>>1067937 In American dollars? I thought Milei was supposed to cut the red tape.

>>1067965 If he cuts the 300% VAT and retailers scalping too, sure. He's a libertarian so he probably won't put price caps or regulate shipping rates though, so it'll probably take a while for competition to bring it down.

>>1067965 Argentine retailers need to get the rope. Simple as.

>>1067854 >>1067887 https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Releases Ubuntu appears to be the best option for free long term support and has options for older kernels. Bionic Beaver appears to be on kernel version 14.15, not sure about the others. I also don't know the difference between standard support windows and officially being end of life. I assume they still get vital security patches but just don't get typical software updates, but I could be wrong. And Ubuntu's site is shitting the bed at the moment so I'm too lazy to look into it more. Generally people veer away from recommending Ubuntu because it's kind of obnoxious with its snap system, but it seems appropriate for your use case.

>>1067854 >I’ve tried installing the proprietary NVIDIA driver from the Mint repository, but every time I do, I just get a black screen. Also are you using encryption? I vaguely recall having an issue on Mint when I used it years ago that would black screen on the screen when you're supposed to type your password in to decrypt the drive while using nvidia's drivers, and that if you just typed it in blind it would boot up into the OS.

>>1067905 >>1067898 For this particular system I would rather not have to buy a new GPU for it since it's mostly just going to be used for emulation and light office work at the most, maybe some very old games. When I had it on Windows 10 though it ran perfectly fine. Could even play the latest 3D King of fighters games that came out 1080p 60fps no problem. It's pretty close in power to a GTX 750 TI, (and that card is still supported). Honestly, I wouldn't even be thinking about any of this if the damn open source drivers didn't suck so much. even for general desktop use! >>1068001 I've always steered clear of that distro because of all of the negative things I've heard about it. So far I've only used Linux, mint, pop OS, and raspbian. >>1068003 Does mint automatically encrypt the file system? I don't remember seeing anything about that when I installed it. I'm pretty sure the black screen is just Linux, kernel and compatibility problems.

>>1068025 >I've always steered clear of that distro because of all of the negative things I've heard about it. So far I've only used Linux, mint, pop OS, and raspbian. Well I'd give a try since it seems like your best bet for a system that will be supported until 2030 if you care about it being able to connect to the internet. >Does mint automatically encrypt the file system? Probably not.

>>1068032 Right, I mean I don't even know if it's going to be worth having the system up and running in 3 years depending on how things are going to go with power consumption costs and how Linux pivots based on the new AI trends going on. My Hope is to at least get some use out of it before I have to put it in mothballs.

>>1068047 >how Linux pivots based on the new AI trends going on. I don't even know what this means. Why would AI trends make it so your computer running Ubuntu wouldn't be worth using in 3 years?

>>1068048 I guess I'm just thinking out loud about my worries on how things are going to go in the future with power consumption and AI. I'm worried that they're going to start forcing us to use crappy thin clients with no real hardware capability because they're going to tell us it's cheaper on the power bill and make us use online only virtualized operating systems. (With lots of AI to monitor us)

Anybody here have experience using software like DiskGenius read and write files from an ext4 formatted drive while using Windows? Does it work decently enough?

Is this a good deal, or should I buy the 20g version instead for $480?

>>1068852 Depends on if you care about AI really. Most games do edge towards 16GB of vram with high textures though.

What's a decent replacement for a HD7970 inna 13 year old toaster with PCIe 2.0? Has to have Vulkan 1.4 support for Parallel-GS PS2 RSX emulation at 1080p, 3GB+ VRAM, hardware AV1 decoding+a semi-decent h.264 hardware encoder that isn't a steaming nigger turd, no nvidia, sub-300W TDP and should be able to thermally handle an ancient case with multiple 5,25' bays. Wouldn't even want to upgrade if not for the Mesa/amdgpu driver maintainers saying that Vulkan 1.4 support for pre-GFX8 would require software emulation due to some unsupported index type which they don't have any interest in pursuing. No interest in upgrading the rest of computer to avoid botnet.

>>1068986 You're gonna have to do your own research, check whatever the first av1 decoding gpus are if it's a must-have.

>>1068986 >hardware AV1 >a semi-decent h.264 hardware encoder that isn't a steaming nigger turd Yeah sure >no nvidia Yeah nah, your only choices are Arc or RDNA3

>>1068986 Best I can suggest would be an ARC A380 for the AV1 decoding, but ARC on Linux is a clusterfuck in terms of support, depending on which driver you use, and that's on a modern platform. Without ReBAR, you lose abou 30-40% of the card's performance. PCIE 2.0 will hamstring it even further. And don't even bother with a modern low-end AMD cards, they further hamstring the cards by limiting them to x8, even x4 PCIe lanes, which cripples your performance when you use it in a previous PCIe generation board. Best advice, find an RX 580 for cheap and get another 5 years out of the machine.

>>1069052 >Best I can suggest would be an ARC A380 Too slow for >Parallel-GS PS2 RSX emulation at 1080p >Best advice, find an RX 580 for cheap and get another 5 years out of the machine. Same as above

Is memory speed relevant for mid to low end hardware? Reviews and benchmarks for memory speed often use top end GPU's. If I'm running a ryzen 7600 and a 6750XT will RAM clocks make a dent to anything or will I just be GPU bound at 1440p?

>>1069123 What speeds are you talking about?

>>1069123 Put the extra money into buying a better gpu tbh, it's not about buying good ram so much as not buying bad ram when checking the CL latency rating as well as ram speed.

>>1069159 Something along the lines of 6000 CL38 versus 5200 CL40

>>1068986 I don't know how good AMD media encoders are, but I guess AMD is your only option. Look for something with PCIe x16 connection. Also make sure your motherboard supports UEFI. I think some more modern GPUs may not have good BIOS support.

>>1067690 Not so much an update as it is speculation, but I'm hoping to get Duckstation running on the 2008 craptop & desktop. If the craptop can't emulate Dreamcast games then it should be able to enhance PS1 games at least as compensation. According to the emulator github page for system requirements >A CPU faster than a potato. But it needs to be x86_64, AArch32/armv7, AArch64/ARMv8, or RISC-V/RV64. All my hardware is x86_64 >For the hardware renderers, a GPU capable of OpenGL 3.1/OpenGL ES 3.1/Direct3D 11 Feature Level 10.0 (or Vulkan 1.0) and above. So, basically anything made in the last 10 years or so. If the .gitattributes file is 6 years ago, that would mean the emulator debuted in 2019. Thus, the last 10 years would be 2009 at the minimum, which is 1 year short of the targeted hardwares. Since the 2008 desktop can emulate the Dreamcast nicely, then Duckstation should be good to go. Have to double check the craptop's OpenGL version, but I have a bad feeling about it being too low & thus, being stuck with the libretro cores like PCSX-ReARMed

>>1069123 >>1069173 Less , but yes But XMP / EXPO are garbage, manual hand tuning is what you wanna be doing there's as much if not more difference between an XMP that is near the max frequency your system will handle and the max officially supported speed of your CPU than there is between a properly tuned RAM setup and the previously mentioned XMP If you're very lazy what you can do is, find the cheapest 16GBx2 kit that does 7200 (which guarantees you Hynix Adie, which is the best current DDR5 you can find) and follow the lazy timing guide for Zen4 from buildzoid, gets you within 5% of the best possible result usually and you don't have to do any real effort.

>>1069067 How performance intensive is Parallel-GS at 1080p compared to Parallel-RDP? >>1069188 >UEFI It does in theory, but the "support" is so primitive only a quarter of all the Linux distro installers I tried half a decade ago had the efivars exposed with some quitting right at the start of the installation because GPT-BIOS is anti-semitic or something, and forcing EFI in Gentoo's grub2 didn't result in a bootable system.

>>1069254 Both those GPUs seem to support OpenGL 3.3. If you search for the GPU on TechPowerUp's GPU Database they will usually have all the important info for any GPU you want to look up. But IMO drivers on Linux for super-old GPUs are very gay sometimes because they are basically so legacy the objective at this point for modern distros is "just get a fucking picture on screen." Sometimes my T60 with an ATI GPU runs games worse in Linux than an older laptop with Intel iGPU running Windows. It's weird. But, if you can already run Dreamcast well, it'll probably work great.

>>1069335 >How performance intensive is Parallel-GS at 1080p compared to Parallel-RDP? Hard to say exactly, I've heard people complain a 3070 is barely enough for upscaling The dev is using a RX 7600

>>1069337 >If you search for the GPU on TechPowerUp's GPU Database they will usually have all the important info for any GPU you want to look up. Oh that's useful, let's see what my 2008 craptop's GPU, the Intel GMA X3100, reports on its version of OpenGL- >OpenGL: 2.0 >tfw even a craptop from 2008 is too weak for Duckstation I suppose it would've been diminished returns considering the 1280 x 800 resolution. Haven't emulated the PS1 yet on that craptop, but I'm hoping it can still do it on the libretro cores. It will be sad if the PS1 winds uo being too much for the old clunker but given how long epsxe & PCSX have been around, I have little reason to believe it can't be done especially when a 1998-2001 iMac G3 with far worse specs had that program that emulated some PS1 games okay (Keyword is 'some' as I doubt the entire library is compatible) >my T60 with an ATI GPU runs games worse in Linux than an older laptop with Intel iGPU running Windows. It's weird. Oh hey! I also have a T60, although mine has the T7200 C2D processor. Since it's GPU (Intel GMA 950 I believe) also reports its OpenGL version as 2.0, then it should hopefully emulate the PS1 decently if the 2008 craptop can. Othetwise, those old cunkers are going to be stuck with the SNES, GBA, & Sega CD at the latest. I still haven't tested the software from the WinXP & Win7 era but I think RetroPie has Wine or something akin to it to make installations easy & load programs just by selecting them on the list. Not sure if I can still use a controller & have the games' keyboard mappings automatically bind without having to run extra software in the background.

>>1069396 Sage for doubleposting, but my T60 does have a Intel GPU as I otherwise wouldn't have been able to install Libreboot on it

>>1069324 Now that I'm actually looking at prices 7000 CL32 ram is only like $20-$30 more expensive than 5200 kits. For some reason in my head I remember it being much more expensive to get higher speeds. Only problem is that my intent is to do a SFF build and the 7000 kits that are priced reasonably all have tall as fuck heat sinks which fuck with CPU cooler compatibility. So I'll probably need to go with a 6400 kit unless I use a worse cooler that doesn't extend over the ram.

>check inside the case of my 6~ year old rig as I do once a year or two >a cable partially melted down that's generally a bad thing in case you don't know >it was an unimportant cable anyway from what I saw but it didn't look like it could even be removed anymore >get so spooked I accidentally lose one of the "screws" from the computer case inside, probably went down somewhere I dunno, couldn't find it in 30 minutes so I gave up >computer still works fine so far I will have a new rig hopefully this week.

>>1069715 >it was an unimportant cable anyway from what I saw What was it plugged into? Cables don't melt for no reason, and if a cable is melting something is going very wrong and it's a fire hazard. Take a picture of it or something. The screw probably doesn't matter as long as it didn't fall into your PSU. Are you buying an entire new computer because you saw some cable melting? Are you planning on just abandoning the old machine?

>>1069720 I looked again and it actually didn't melt, it's just bent and somewhat disfigured, and it's just some cable connected to the case's led lights. I think the light was very weak because I looked at it mostly in the dark as opposed to now when I checked it out with far better light, but it doesn't look even 10% as bad as I remember thinking it was. I wanted to get a new rig anyway and the plans were made before I found the cable, it just sped it up by like two months, so all's good.

>>1069729 At least that's more reasonable than the assumption. I haven't touched my desktop since discovering that the retaining pins holding my northbridge heat sink in place have snapped due to age. I'm going to replace them with metal ones (fuck the kikes who chose plastic), but it's a major operation to get in there and I'm working up the stomach to do it. I fuck this up and that's it.

I hear cuckchan is banning fags for calling out Jensen and his green crooks.

>>1070104 Shocking. Who could have foreseen such behavior.

>>1070104 What the fuck is going on with Cuckchan? Last time I was on /g/ and /v/ it was filled with bot replies or a combination of glowie threads.Last time I had any actual engagement was back in 2020 during covid. Is the site actually worse than redddit now or is it it's own breed entirely? >>1067690 Based. Thank you for testing those toasters. This might be unrelated but I want to mention this as many people as possible. >>1067854 I remember reading a thread a while back on Frenschan on how the SystemD init system was a cancer to the actual progress of the open source nature of many Linux distributions. In the thread, an anon ( or fren I don't know the proper term for the site anymore ) did testing on his old HD7700 and some older GTX 570 I believe on his Funtoo machine, turns out those GPUs run a majority of games fairly well with 10+ FPS increases on some games and more significant performance upgrades on some older titles that run like shit on Windows. Half Life 2 and Quake ran 100 times better on Funtoo than on Windows with the same build. Turns out Windows and certain Linux distros with SystemD eat up so many resources that it actively kills the hardware they run on. Other than the games and software needing optimizations, SystemD, Windows, and anything made by a bunch of Trannies and nigger cattle funded by Microsoft are to be avoided. Just because software is opensource doesn't mean anything considering SystemD, its tools and addons, source code is out in the open but its so bloated that optimizations, bug fixes, and even new features are either never added, fixed, or just gets abounded. If you really want to get as much juice from an old GPU, or old hardware in general like what >>1067690 is doing, I recommend you stop using Windows, any Linux distro with SystemD, and outright avoid anything funded by RedHat, Microsoft, or developed by trannies as they add unnecessary bloat. I would still encourage getting a new GPU as with certain games need a certain amount of VRAM no matter how much bloat you remove.

>>1070229 Potato texture patches do allow some games to lower vram usage.

>they keep doubleposting and visiting cuckchan Why? Just why?

>>1070229 If we gave a single fuck about cuckchan at any point since 2014, we'd be there now. We're not. Go back and never return.

>>1070229 >I recommend you stop using Windows, any Linux distro with SystemD, and outright avoid anything funded by RedHat, Microsoft, or developed by trannies as they add unnecessary bloat. I'm not sure Batocera has SystemD as I can't find any reference to it. I would assume not if this post on ps4linux.com is anything to go by here https://ps4linux.com/forums/d/252-batocera-40-for-ps4-installation-setup-tutorial/5 >I've just installed Batocera 40 for PS4 but bluetooth seems not work. The linux kernel itself seems to recognize the hardware, however the bluetooth service (if it is any since batocera don't use systemd) seems to be missing/not working? If Batocera does actually have it, then there's always RetroPie for Debian/Ubuntu systems. Given that some SystemD-free distros are based off Debian then RetroPie should be fine to use, but I haven't tested them for compatibility. Since it's made for Raspberry Pis, emulation tops out at Dreamcast & PSP (which is fine as that's what I've also observed on the C2D machines, no way those junkers are going to run Gamecube or PS2 smoothly anyway.) Would also be interesting to see how a librebooted potato does on Retropie since Batocera doesn't seem to load. Can't imagine any gains in performance if done on a librebooted machine & a SystemD distro, but I'd be surprised if it does fare better.

>>1070253 >librebooted machine & a SystemD-free distro

>>1070253 > I'm not sure Batocera has SystemD as I can't find any reference to it. Considering how many distributions come with it, I'm sure it does. Batocera does look interesting though. > Given that some SystemD-free distros are based off Debian then RetroPie should be fine to use RetroPie uses SystemD like every other Debian disto since 8 or 9 ( I can't remember). > Can't imagine any gains in performance if done on a librebooted machine & a SystemD distro, but I'd be surprised if it does fare better. Librebooting can mitigate boot times but I honestly don't believe it would make significant changes since the BIOS itself hands off tasks the booted OS but I could be wrong. I'm not a computer architect so I don't know how much the BIOS actual handles when the OS is running. I would say, a disabled M.E on an intel system feels great to use. Intel ME and AMD PSP is another rabbit hole of cancer and glow niggers.

5090s are melting plugs on the cards, cables, and even on the PSUs they're plugged into. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ndmoi1s0ZaY

>>1070348 The last time this was investigated it turned out redditors were just retarded and not plugging them in all the way. GamersNexus had to have them basically 1/4th unplugged and bent at an absurd angle to get them to catch fire.

>>1067034 Just because you are not an impulsive dumbfuck buyer does not mean you are poor. I can afford this shit easily but the question is why? Go fuck yourself with the melted GPU you fag.

>>1070403 You will buy a 5090 You will pay the green tax You will have your daily dose of fake frames You will shill for nvidia OoOooOooooOoooOoOooOoOOOOoOOoOO You will own nothing, and be happy.

>>1067034 >>1070403 >I'm poor Sucks, hope you get less brown one day.

>>1070404 I will shove the bugs down your throat myself, fucking schwab. >>1070406 Enjoy being milked like a retard.

>>1070348 Nice. I hope they start melting in higher numbers so people can really start to panic as to when their overpriced pos will go nuclear.

>>1070350 In hindsight it should've been obvious user error by braindead Redditors was causing the melted cables/connectors, but many hate Nvidia's prices so much they'll jump onto anything. Even now they're still "listening & believing" Redditors because "fuck Nividia". It's humorous that DeepSeek caused a bigger nosedive for Nvidia's value than any melted cables in the news cycle. Lesson to be learned there, but we're doing the cable thing again I guess.

Little different update for the C2D project this time Rest assured as this is relevant to the project! I used a non-C2D desktop to test out PC game emulation via Wine on Batocera. The reason for the deviation is that I wanted to test its Wine capabilities & see if it can run a game that demanded more horsepower from the toasters, which is Outrun 2006 Coast 2 Coast (with OutRun2006Tweaks applied) & for the less-demanding toasters, the WinXP port of Puyo Puyo Fever. The gist of setting it all up seemed straightforward >drag your game ISO to the windows-installer folder >load the file >go through the setup wizard >once installed, it will have it's own sub-folder inside the windows folder and be named something like 'Outrun 2006 Coast 2 Coast.wine' >then you make an autorun.cmd file in the game's wine folder that points Batocera to your game's directory & exe file to start it In the case of Outrun, it would look like this DIR=drive_c/Program Files (x86)/Sega/Outrun 2006 Coast 2 Coast CMD=OR2006C2C.exe Sadly, I couldn't get it working even with the autorun.cmd file made. So I changed my focus to Puyo Puyo Fever. That game already had its self-contained folder made, no setup from a installer was necessary. The launcher worked, but the game also never started up! Even downloading the disc online and running a setup didn't seem to work. Worst yet, the Japanese text was broken! Since both failed, I tried a last set of games to test out, mostly Touhou fangames. >New Super Marisa Land >Marisa Party >Satori Komeiji's Mental Education >Marisa and Alice's Trap Tower >Moedan (This was the only game I could get working in fullscreen) >Marisa and Alice All of them started up and, barring Marisa and Alice, synced with my wireless gamepad & automatically binded them. The dealbreaker though is that exiting the games, whether from the game menu or pressing the hotkey combo, caused the machine to freeze. Having to reboot via SSH every time that happens isn't fun. All in all: Wine is very spotty, which puts a damper on some toaster-friendly games On the plus side, I got to play the 5 PC-98 Touhou games and they worked beautifully with the overclocking, upscaling, and compatibility with my wireless gamepad. Makes me wish I could actually get the real Touhou games working!

>>1070350 >>1070417 A design that encourages user error is a shit design. The old 8 pin connectors didn't have anywhere near as many incidents. They didn't need a bunch of measures like sense pins designed to mitigate the possibility of this user error. What you seem to be forgetting is that the same GN video that concluded that the primary cause was "user error" also found that it's easier with the 12-pin connector than it was with the 8-pin to make that error, and less obvious that you've done so. It's tighter, the pins are smaller with less contact surface, and the latch's click is less positive. There are proximate and ultimate causes to engineering failures. If a plane crashes due to "pilot error", but the reason the pilot made the error was because the airline's scheduling was fucked and he hadn't slept in 36 hours, and the copilot wasn't confident enough to correct him because the airline has a culture of punishing junior officers for "talking back" to senior ones, then the airline should and must be blamed even though the pilot made the actual fatal error.

>>1070491 Pretty sure one ledditor did say he made sure it clicked on both ends and melted on both ends regardless. In addition the copper gauge didn't get any thicker year over year.

>>1070438 >Japanese text broken You need to pirate the msmincho and msgothic.ttc fonts from Windows 95+ and put them in windows/Fonts. Text rendering with this isn't 100% perfect and may require you to disable fontsmoothing systemwide, but it works ok enough for installers. ところで、how do Sega Lindbergh games run on your toasters via Lindbergh loader?

>>1070673 Pippa is catastrophically breedable.

>>1070673 Western foids trying to disguise themselves like chameleons behind anime girls turn my stomach inside out.

>>1070691 /r9k/ please go

>>1070673 >crashout It was only a matter of time before this new niggercattle phrase showed up here. >>1070696 Defend of the e-girls.

>>1070701 It's honestly the first I've ever seen it. I just kept the title from the YouTube video. What does it mean that differentiates it from any existing word to describe a diatribe?

>>1070703 Nothing, it's just the new cattle word that retards have decided to spam everywhere.

>>1070673 >if you want these features you are a CUCK because I'm too stupid to disable it I never listened to her before, but she sounds just as dumb as any other woman. Anime gimmick is doing the heavy lifting here. >can't find gsync in control panel If gsync is supported, then it appears there. If it's not, then it doesn't. Sticker lied? Driver update needed? Blind? Pick one. Appealing to Win7 fags since that was popular, yet ignoring growing issues of compatibility & lower performance on an older OS. I half expected her to make another appeal to some popular thing like "I wish we could go back to New Vegas!" or some other game with a slew of problems out-of-the-box. None of this shit she's talking about was working out-of-the-box without problems. Also GTAV doesn't have native RTX functionality either so the spergout isn't done with just looking stupid by lashing out from not understanding something, but also saying inaccurate nonsense to look even more stupid. I can see why some of /v/ liked her since for them, her sperging is a like they're looking into a mirror.

>>1070742 Calling variable refresh rate bloatware is also hilariously retarded. I'm curious to why she wanted it disabled in the first place. The only reason that I'm aware of to not be using VRR is because VN and OLED panels can have flicker with it enabled. But if it's a laptop I'd imagine the panel was verified to not flicker especially if it's been certified by nvidia.

>>1070742 Many games actually run faster on W7 than W10, maybe because of the scheduler or W10 bloat, W10 has more than double the services and +50% more bloat. Here's CS:GO on AMD Ryzen 7 1700, W7 vs. W10, running faster on W7. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XAXS8rYwGzg >holly frick, thats like 10-15% decreased performance in win10 >This is another reason why people stick with Windows 7, it's performance. >Holly $h!t, 20% at 0:59

>>1070745 Windows got pajeetified into overstuffed crapware, I hate Windows more by the day. By Windows 13 Windows will be a live service with required online, Microsoft's headed there with required accounts, OneDrive, and Office 365. Even Xbox with Gamepass.

>>1070659 Updating Batocera 41 to the Butterfly v42 build on the 2009 desktop caused it to hang at the black screen despite SSH still working on it. Guessing it's due to the nVidia GPU not having a driver to load. Will have to reinstall back to the stable build & wait for the time being. On the other hand the 2008 desktop successfully updated to the butterfly build & it's now all a matter of testing the Lindbergh loader, going to use The House of the Dead 4 as a benchmark. I will be impressed if the toaster can run it at a playable performance. Word of warning: I'm keeping my expectations low because both machines struggled with the Sega NAOMI 2 (and Beach Spikers used as benchmark) despite it being a souped-up Dreamcast, hardware-wise. The only available options are either standalone FlyCast or the libretro Flycast core. More positive results were observed in emulating the original Sega NAOMI games, provided you didn't increase the rendering resolution above 640x480.

>>1070745 >first gen ryzen Yeah I wouldn't put much stock into this being replicable today at all.

>>1070745 >>1070746 If the goal is "less bloat" (not features that pipa misrepresents as bloat) then that reasoning leads not to Windows 7, but to Linux. It's likely another reason Valve is putting resources into making games work on it. They can squeeze more performance out of hardware in the Steam Deck when there is less OS overhead.

>>1070745 >>1070746 >>1070750 I would when W10 bloat got worse since, when the OS and not processor is the independent variable that made CS:GO faster on W7 than W10, and when the video's benchmarks mean the burden of proof's yours. Newer Ryzen user duplicating results 4 years ago: >Confirmed better gaming performance for CPU and single thread heavy games on Windows 7 vs 10 Lite. Tried LTSB and a few other stripped down versions. Got on average 5-10FPS more for DX11 on 7SP1, current Radeon drivers and 5700XT.

>>1070696 /r9k/ should stay, /r9k/'s problems with modern women are legitimate. >>1070705 Never saw crashout spammed anywhere, where did you see it spammed? >>1070417 It's obvious user error but imageboards are mostly fags with too much time pushing "fuck your X, do my Y," realities don't matter. >>1070755 7's faster on old games but 10/11's more compatible with new games, I use 10 since I play new games.

>>1070752 >If the goal is "less bloat" (not features that pipa misrepresents as bloat) then that reasoning leads not to Windows 7, but to Linux. No, it doesn't because Linux is even more bloated but in a different way. As oppose to Windows operating in the method where each program has it's own "playground" that you can operate in with it's own set of functions (Starting from the OS down), Linux goes in the direct opposite approach where the entire OS itself is a playground and you're the unfortunate motherfucker who's going to have to populate it as every single function is it's own individual program per the FOSS and Unix philosophy. To put it another way, Windows is like the keyboard you're using to type on right now, Linux is you having to assemble the keyboard from scratch (Key by key). Yes, there's more "freedom" and less "bloat" as you don't have all the silly bells and whistles the Windows keyboard comes with (Like all these mid-Aughts internet shortcut keys that I NEVER use outside of the music playback buttons), but have fun putting that thing together to make a "more efficient" keyboard as there's a reason why we've been using the basic QWERTY layout for the past 150 years. And at that point, why are you wasting your time instead of buying the basic bitch keyboard fully assembled that doesn't come with all the silly buttons? >>1070762 >but 10/11's more compatible with new games Because they removed three lines of code that would make the game compatible with Windows 7, or even Windows 8. That's it. There is zero reason why modern games and programs cannot function on Windows 7, especially since Windows 7 started the plug-in nature of Windows APIs that is still used to this very day.

youtube.com/watch?v=tsMfNKcd298 linux shills on suicide watch

>>1070765 Your link doesn't go anywhere

>>1070765 You can "debloat" 11 all you want, stock Win10 is faster and debloated win10 even more so, and in some cases linux is faster than all of those.

>>1070764 None of what you're describing makes linux "bloated". You're just using words incorrectly. Linux can be described as more work, more tedious, etc. You can say it isn't worth spending the hours to relearn an entire operating system as an adult with responsibilities and time commitments. But calling something "bloated" when it isn't just because that's the popular buzzword for software autistic imageboard users don't like is fucking retarded. At the very least you could point out that the wine overhead for games in most cases tends to make them run slower. Though there are some instances where wine manages to be even faster than native windows, but I don't believe it's especially common.

>>1070769 >None of what you're describing makes linux "bloated". Okay, how would you describe needing to have a 400 individual programs installed to your computer in order for it to function compared to another system only needing (At most) 20 to perform the same tasks and some extras?

>>1070748 Reminder that the laptop with the nvidia card might be replaceable, and if so you can upgrade to any AMD/ATI mxm 2 card which will have drivers available

>>1070772 If your concept of bloat begins at the number of "programs" you're running, you are operating on a fundamentally different definition than 99% of people. There's a reason systemD is considered bloatware. You're free to have your special definition of the word, just know that it won't be very productive in conversation.

>>1070768 I bet you use Arch.

>>1070764 That it's because they removed three lines of code or there's zero reason they can't function doesn't change that some modern games and programs don't function. >>1070769 As a 10 user used to most arguments for Linux playing loose with realities, yours is fairly honest.

>>1070777 I use cachyos

>>1070777 Nah I use Win 10 education with a debloat script.

>>1070776 You didn't answer the question. If the word "bloat" as an incorrect term to use for describing that situation, what would be the term you would use then?

>>1070787 The unix philosophy?

>>1070793 So is the "Unix philosophy" to, rather than "bloat" software with "useless features", they have the user "bloat" the operating system with endless programs that each do one individual task and nothing else? Or how would you better describe it?

>>1070794 Bloat isn't the number of programs your computer is running. It's the amount of unnecessary lines of code to accomplish a goal. Having 1,000 programs is obviously less bloated than having a single program that can do 1,000 things because it is modular. You can strip out the software you don't need. I don't really know why you're choosing to be so disingenuous.

>>1070766 Blame invidious whiners, I replace it with yewtube because that's what I remember. If I direct link there's even more whining. >>1070768 Stock windows 7 is even less bloated, windows 95 even moreso. Only one of the ones mentioned will get unpaid regular security updates come october 2025. >>1070787 Not him but bloat means either every single program and file you don't personally need, or pre-installed programs that significantly affect system performance by always running. Artix Linux is Arch without systemd, so it would satisfy both definitions fairly well. Systemd doesn't count for the first case but does for the second since it's needed for those OSs, having the os ship with Calibre would violate the first one but not the second, since its only impact is .iso space and potential updates. >>1070809 The actual nitpick definition would be lowest assembly lines or system instructions rather than lines of code.

Are you guys getting baited?

>>1070809 >Having 1,000 programs is obviously less bloated than having a single program that can do 1,000 things because it is modular. I feel like that's a distinction without a difference. >You can strip out the software you don't need. Define "software you don't need". Because the entire technological landscape is filled with examples of software being required but isn't actually "needed" for any purpose. I already pointed out how many software and programs don't "need" any of the features included with Windows 10 or even 11, as you can change only three lines of code and the software works on earlier Windows versions with almost no issues, but that doesn't stop people from demanding that others "upgrade" to the latest Windows version if they still want to access their tech. Another example, completely outside of OS autism, is web browsers. Despite how barebones this very site is, I cannot even access it from devices released over a decade ago like my 3DS. Funnily I can access it from my computer running Vista, but I cannot actually post anything. So what do you mean by "software you don't need" when that software is needed for no other reason than "Just because"? And even further, how does that differentiate or make Linux "better" when that then requires you to install even more programs despite how you don't "need" them except to pass some stupid "security" check?

>>1070831 >I feel like that's a distinction without a difference. Are you fucking retarded?

>>1070748 And I just got back from testing the Lindbergh loader! I originally couldn't get House of the Dead 4 running when I followed the instructions on the wiki. For reference, it states >you must have a blank file with '.game' extension in the location where the rom will execute from. For best compatibility, use game ID from the working games list below as the file name >i.e.: for Ghost Squad Evolution game, create ghostev.game in the /userdata/roms/lindbergh/Ghost Squad Evolution/vsg_l directory. The hotd4.bin & hotd4.game files together did nothing. Then I found a Python script from a video tutorial on youtube where it does the work of setting up the Lindbergh games. You can get it below https://github.com/zognic/lindbergh-install And then change the script permission to executable so that it can executed in the terminal upon clicking on it, then it's matter of picking the game(s) you want installed. Once done, then the game's bin file can be deleted to save space as those games are at least 1GB in size. So how did it do, performance-wise? House of the Dead 4: Not playable It was a miracle to finally see the game boot, and I was blown away by how well the attraction video played with no glitches so I hoped the gameplay would be just as good. Sadly, it was not the case. Nothing was wrong with the graphics or audio, but gameplay performance suffered with speed slower than the original arcade & PS3 versions, and at times turned into slideshows. The speed fix option specially made for HOTD4 didn't make a difference. Changing the maximum resolution of my desktop to the 640x480 minimum resolution seemed to fare a bit better, but the performance issue still persisted. I tested one more game on the toaster to see if Lindbergh could still run on them... Initial D Arcade Stage 4: Playable (with caveats) Attraction video still played fine but the performance issues came back upon the menus for mode & car selections. Then, before the race, the cutscene between Takumi & Itsuki plays...only for both of their models to be invisible (Except for Itsuki's pair of floating eyeballs.) The race suffered with the same choppy performance HOTD4 had, because the game was set at my desktop's max resolution, so another attempt was made with the resolution set to the minimal 640x480. The menu speed was better, but the character models in the cutscenes still remained invisible. I saw some promising results in the race with performance being just a tad bit better in spite of the occasional framerate hiccups. Now for the caveats! >you're fucked if you race on Akina Lake at Daylight & Rainy weather because the track is invisible as are the walls & guard rails >there is a giant black triangle under your car when you race on a course at Night. It's distracting, but at least you still have a visible track >the game plays better with a steering wheel accessory as driving by slightly tapping the control stick left and right isn't fun, especially when you tap it to one direction too much and your car turns swiftly TL:DR: The Sega Lindbergh is a mixed bag on the toaster. HOTD4 doesn't really work, but Initial D (with the aforementioned caveats) runs just as smoothly as the PSP game on PPSSPP. It's too early to say if the Lindbergh is toaster-friendly as it just got added to the butterfly build 1 month ago, and more games need to be tested

>>1070764 >Windows is like the keyboard you're using to type on right now, Linux is you having to assemble the keyboard from scratch (Key by key) I'm not going to engage in the OS debate because it's obvious from the later posts that you're fucking retarded and it'd be a waste of time, but I found the keyboard analogy amusing because the keyboard I'm typing on was, in fact, assembled by me. Admittedly not fully custom, but it was still soldered "key by key" with a not-entirely-standard layout that's more efficient. The ones on the shelf next to me, though, really are custom, from the 3D-printed cases, to the hand-wired switch matrix, to the key layout I designed by measuring my own hands.

>>1070816 >Stock windows 7 is even less bloated Didn't mention bloat.

On topic, the RTX 5070 was allegedly delayed until early March to counter the AMD RX 9070 launch.

>>1070840 Another quick update Tested the Touhou fangames again on Wine, hoping that the butterfly v42 build might've fixed some of the problems I mentioned earlier with being unable to exit the games without having to reboot via SSH or literally turning it off and on again. Unfortunately the Japanese fonts still haven't really been fixed, but this should be a non-issue if your game has been translated to English. As far as exiting the games safely, I can finally return to the Batocera menu now! Looks like it's been resolved, here's hoping the stable build for it in development keeps it that way. You'll still have to occasionally use a keyboard to pick options like window size & graphic settings for some of the games' launcher before they start so it's not quite seamless yet.

>>1070915 >but I found the keyboard analogy amusing because the keyboard I'm typing on was, in fact, assembled by me. Admittedly not fully custom, but it was still soldered "key by key" with a not-entirely-standard layout that's more efficient. Good for you. Some of us don't want to put in that kind of work. Or ponder why the PS/2 or serial-port keyboard that we've been using for years is now suddenly "incompatible" despite nothing ever changing about keyboard functionality (This is even assuming that, in such instance that a computer no longer has such ports, you're buying an adapter for it). And from where I'm standing, the almost universal response to such questions is "buy a new keyboard" or "make your own keyboard".

>>1071072 The better question is why my computer doesn't take punchcards for arithmatic any more.

>>1071072 PS/2 connectors are still on new motherboards so this is an odd complaint, especially considering how few people utilize it.

>>1070348 Now ZionHedge is reporting on this topic. Note that CABLES THAT SHIPPED WITH THE CARD and which are installed correctly are ALSO melting. https://www.zerohedge.com/technology/redditor-reports-melting-smell-nvidias-rtx-5090-gpu-while-playing-battlefield-v https://archive.ph/hDOz4

>>1071096 >PS/2 connectors are still on new motherboards They don't work. One time when my computer was on the fritz, I pulled out a couple mice and keyboards from a box in the basement with a PS/2 port and it would not recognize them.

>>1070348 >>1071098 Is it because it's actually getting too hot or because modern dolphin safe, vegan plastic can't handle it?

>>1071106 You can't hotplug PS/2 devices.

>>1071109 I didn't, dibshit.

>>1071118 I don't believe you

>>1071124 I see no reason to doubt him. The bigger issue with his logic is >computer is "on the fritz" >these issues affect his normal keyboard enough that he needs to dig out a backup >the backup also doesn't work >this is somehow proof that the connector or protocol no longer works under normal circumstances

>>1071130 To be fair basically the only reason to use PS/2 keyboards are because they have a more direct connection to the motherboard and can work when other keyboards might not in the BIOS. So switching to one when a USB keyboard isn't working does have merit.

>>1071130 The reason my computer was on the fritz was because I had installed a game (GT Legends) and it has Starforce DRM. When I restarted my computer, it disabled ALL of the USB connections because I'm using Windows 7 and "base" W7 doesn't have USB 3.0 drivers.

>>1071107 Both. The plug is 12 14ga wires, and it's a ~600W card at 12V, so that's nearly 50A. Card bloat has expanded beyond the laws of physics of the cables required to power them.

Wait are retards here really denying >>1070673 points because vtuber?

>>1071149 Wew lad, it sounds like there's a ps/2 to usb converter in there somewhere, just like how a bunch of hdmi ports are converted displayport ports to work better on linux. I also have heard the single combo port sucks ass compared to a normal pair of ps/2 ports, if you happen to have one.

>>1071098 Fermi housefire flagship, the GTX 480, was a 250w card. We sure have come a long way.

>>1071166 >Fermi housefire flagship, the GTX 480 Ahaha oh man I remember that. Fuck I feel old today.

Good news everyone! I originally tested out the Sega Lindbergh loader on the 2008 toaster and got mixed results here >>1070840 Now I brought out another 2009 toaster to try more emulation tests on. This is not the same toaster used earlier as it has different specs. Of all the C2D craptops/toasters I have, this is my most powerful C2D hardware on hand. I dub it E.T. The Extra Temperamental 2009 Toaster (Because I think the GPU has problems as the display eventually gets corrupted & the machine freezes) >CPU: Intel C2D "Penryn" (E8435), 3.06GHz >GPU: Nvidia GeForce GT 130 >Native Resolution: 1920x1200 >RAM: 4GB PC3-8500 DDR3 (8GB is max) >Storage: 1TB HDD Anyway, I got the same problem from >>1070748 where updating to the Butterfly build caused it to linger at the black screen. Looking around the net for troubleshooting, I couldn't find a remedy to the problem but someone suggested a keyboard combo of CTRL + ALT + F3. I did that and the backlight of my display went off, then I restarted the session via SSH. Nothing still changed. After reading the wiki page about Nvidia cards, I entered "/etc/init.d/S04populate start" in my SSH terminal so that I could see what version the Nvidia driver was, which did not appear on my screen or terminal. Restarting via SSH did something unbelievable though after the previous command got entered... the contents appeared on my screen! Better yet, my gamepad works & could navigate! So the butterfly v42 build does work after all? Hard to say considering I sometimes got it to load the main menu and other times it stayed on the black screen. I did get this message in my terminal though which may explain the display issue from the other toaster and this one too. ================ WARNING WARNING WARNING WARNING ================ This server has a video driver ABI version of 25.2 that this driver does not officially support. Please check http://www.nvidia.com/ for driver updates or downgrade to an X server with a supported driver ABI. ================================================================= All of that troubleshooting mumbo-jumbo being said and done, I transferred the same two Lindbergh games to the E.T.: House of the Dead 4 & Initial D Arcade Stage 4 Here is how they turned out! Initial D Arcade Stage 4: Playable! (with caveats again) >the character models during cutscenes aren't invisible anymore & Itsuki isn't just a pair of floating eyeballs (Maybe the GPU having 512MB of VRAM instead of 256MB helped?) >performance is smooth at 1920x1080 & 1920x1200 screen resolutions, but parts of the UI are off-screen <you're still fucked if you race at Akina Lake on Daylight & Rainy weather because the track, walls, & guard rails are still invisible House of the Dead 4: Playable! >game looks more gorgeous at 1920x1080 resolution >better speed performance than the 2008 toaster (it did choke in one cutscene at Chapter 1 where there were a lot of the enemies on both sides banging the glass before breaking out to attack, but gameplay speed went back to normal) <I felt some sounds that should be playing didn't in Chapter 2, but it's a minor issue TL:DR: It's still too early to determine the Lindbergh emulator being toaster-friendly as more games need testing, but I am getting more positive results on the 2009 toaster so far. It's rad that a C2D desktop is seemingly capable of emulating Lindbergh arcade games that have been ported to the PS3 & Xbox 360, fingers crossed that Virtua Fighter 5 works, looks, & plays very nicely. >>1070775 The craptop's GPU is soldered, I'm not sure I can just give it any AMD/ATI mxm 2 card.

>>1070742 >Anime gimmick is doing the heavy lifting here Yes, and fat sexless retards fall for it hook, line, and sinker.

>>1070673 Correct.

>>1070762 >/r9k/ should stay /r9gay/ is also full of fucking troons and we don't need that cancer here.

>>1070348 >>1071098 >>1071107 >>1071159 But, wait, there's more! >Another User Sees Melting Of 16-Pin Connector On The PSU Side, But This Time With NVIDIA’s RTX 5080 <A Reddit user posted pictures of a melted 16-pin power connector on his PSU, but the system was running an NVIDIA GeForce RTX 5080 this time. <The 16-pin Power Connector Melting Cases are Starting to Affect the NVIDIA GeForce RTX 5080 Configurations as Well, But It's The PSU That Is To Blame For This One <This is perhaps the first time we have seen a melting 16-pin connector in a system containing the NVIDIA GeForce RTX 5080. Two days ago, we reported a case affecting a user's RTX 5090 GPU, in which both the GPU and cable connectors melted due to overheating. While this wasn't a big surprise, considering how power-hungry the RTX 5090 is, the RTX 5080's case is shocking. <A user who goes by the username r/Ambitious_Ladder1320, posted on the ASUS sub-Reddit that he faced a similar melting issue with this setup, which consisted of the RTX 5080 and an ASUS ROG Loki PSU. He states that the GPU was flashing a red light, indicating improper seating of a pin on his connector. While the user states that he did connect the connectors properly, he still tried once again after turning off his PC. <While this time the error didn't reappear, the monitor resolution and refresh rate were automatically downgraded. Moreover, the GPU started to run in PCI-E x3 mode, which is a weird behavior. <Once again, after replugging all the cables, the user came across the melted 16-pin connector on the PSU. Thankfully, the GPU didn't face such a problem. <The user says that he has seen three similar incidents with users owning ROG Loki PSUs, but it isn't clear whether those users were using a 12VHPWR connector or whether they were running an NVIDIA GeForce RTX 5090 or an RTX 5080 GPU too. <Nonetheless, the ROG Loki PSU is the same model that was seen in the RTX 5090's melted connector case. However, as Der8auer showed in his demonstration, the melting was caused due to overheating of the connectors as two of the wires were carrying significantly higher load than they were designed to. <There have been lots of talks going on the social media concerning the 12VHPWR design and the quality of wires, and the connector is likely the culprit here as well. Both ends of the cable generally overheat due to having little to no headroom for supporting higher power. This results in quick melting of the cables and the connectors on either side. <Whatever the root cause is, the issue is now becoming more common despite the RTX 5090 and RTX 5080 not being widely available. However, we have yet to come across problems with a 12V-2x6 connector, which is the upgraded 16-pin connector one should use with these GPUs.

>>1071134 >To be fair basically the only reason to use PS/2 keyboards are because they have a more direct connection to the motherboard and can work when other keyboards might not in the BIOS. Don't most keyboards still not handle n-key rollover, and you either need to buy a KB that specifically mitigates the issue - or use a PS/2 keyboard (which can register every key being pressed simultaneously). There for a while I was having multi-note hold issues with DJMax Respect using a generic Walmart USB keyboard. Specifically when I had four-note holds, whichever key registered last would get dropped. The issue didn't resolve until I got my G213. It's still present, IIRC, but I may not notice it until I get multi-holds on 8 track charts (which I don't do often, and not at a high level of difficulty) since this model of keyboard has anti-ghosting which raises the number of simultaneous keypresses, but doesn't solve the problem.

>>1070765 >I'm going to debloat my OS by breaking compatibility with upstream Only a Windows user would be dumb enough to do this.

>>1071365 "Most" in the sense of your typical cheapo membrane boards. Virtually every modern mechanical board has a diode per switch, which allows for NKRO.

>>1070769 >wine overhead for games in most cases tends to make them run slower. Maybe by a fraction of a fraction of a percent. Only times a wine install is slower these days is entirely because of compatibility issues or the game itself sucking. (Like Dragons Dogma 2. For me I had the same exact issues as windows users, and I bet if I really wanted to test it on Windows it'd perform the exact same.) It's been getting pretty good. My issue is the .wine directory design. Why? Recreating (nearly) the same thing over and over again for every game or program you want to run is retard programing 101. On one hand you can easily isolate game installs so you can get the single golden autistic configuration that makes the game work (along with muh security, but c'mon, most wiruses on pirated software won't recognize its in a wine directory. Yet.), on the other most of the time a 'general' prefix with a bunch of libraries and shit pre-installed will already work. (Which is what I do.) >>1070777 >looks like X is broken again because pacman fucked everything in the last update arch hasn't changed a bit. KDE fucks itself over every other update too. It's impressive.

>>1071362 https://inv.nadeko.net/watch?v=kb5YzMoVQyw >sends 600w through one wire because they didn't make the circuitry actually able to differentiate if all six pins were properly connected or just one $2000 MSRP, $4000 scalped. Guys what are you broke? Don't you want the best?

>>1071372 >explicitly says to use it on a new installation <whines about breaking old installations I don't see how you have an argument here.

>>1070777 >second pic In the end, the arch-fag got a prestigious job at Valve, considering that the Deck's OS is Arch linux.

>>1071372 >>1070765 Wonder if that's worth doing on a new install or if it breaks too much shit. I've tried web browsers that are hardened for privacy, but then I have to disable some settings they've used to accomplish this because it breaks websites, so ultimately those measures become worthless. Could be the same on debloated Window, like "Oh this isn't working so I have to change that setting or else I can't use this thing I need." over & over until it was pointless to even bother running the debloat script. That's my cynical expectation. I dunno what the reality is.

>>1071492 https://github.com/ChrisTitusTech/winutil Try this one, on Windows 10 education I've never had anything I needed to touch afterwards to get something I needed to work.

>>1071282 Sadly if its soldered, there is nothing you can do to add an mxm card. Back in the day of the core 2, mxm was quite popular so that was why I was asking.

>>1071378 >My issue is the .wine directory design. Why? Recreating (nearly) the same thing over and over again for every game or program you want to run is retard programing 101. You can just install everything to the same prefix if you want to. >on the other most of the time a 'general' prefix with a bunch of libraries and shit pre-installed will already work. (Which is what I do.) Uh so you already know you don't need to use multiple prefixes, so what is your issue?

>>1071536 some software that uses wine won't do this. Mainly Steam. It's a pain in the ass when trying to fetch things like savefiles or installing mods.

>>1071492 I'd fully expect it to work fine on modern hardware, the most I'd expect this to do is remove edge, most telemetry, copilot, onedrive, etc rather than messing with explorer, the start menu, and disk search indexer. I'll be trying a few methods out in a few months.

>>1071591 You would use steamtinkerlaunch to handle that. Though I do admit that it's not a very intuitive way to handle things and Valve is retarded for not making it significantly simpler to handle wine and their prefixes. But that's a Valve problem, not a wine problem.

>3080ti 20g for under 500 bux The tarrifs might fuck me a little but it's still cheaper than literally anything nvidia is offering for the price

>>1071620 I really would be wary, this is a card based off the unreleased 3080ti most likely so Nvidia could cut support whenever, I would also be extra careful with cooling, clamshelled GDDR6X is prone to going extremely hot to the point of self cooking.

I'm sticking to the 30 series purely to fucking spite Nvidia. I'll look for a 3090 used because fuck Jensen.

>>1071629 30 series is the worst release Nvidia has done since the 700 series, you really should go for the 40 series or stick with the 2080ti

>>1071630 Are you saying 20 good, 30 bad, 40 good, 50 bad, ... 60 ... good?

>>1071638 Not exactly the history of Nvidia generations being good or bad is more complex Though for 30 series in particular here's what I find to make them shit >bad power delivery design >undersized VRM on a lot of models >undersized cooling on many models, especially VRAM cooling >out of control power usage >out of control transient spikes >VRAM too low for release time besides the 3090 >self cooking VRAM issues (avoid hynix VRAM for GDDR6 models, 3090 with bad cooling because of clamshelled VRAM means there's chip both in the front and in the back of the PCB will experience extreme performance issues due to near dead VRAM after a while) 40 series solves all of those issues except VRAM sizes (though at least the 4080 gets 16GB), it's absolutely surreal just how much better it is, a 4090 can be power limited to under 300W, run cold and silent for a long time and still beat everything else under it by a large margin, hell if you're aggressive enough with your undervolt you can make it run at near 200W and still have it be really good and that is also applicable to every model under it.

>>1071650 I'm looking into a 4090 for work but finding a non retarded price will be hell.

>>1071638 The 20 series was also a disappointment at the time. The value compared to the 10 series was fucking awful.

>>1071679 The value of the 5000 series compared to the 4000 is the worst in the company's history.

>>1071679 You're not wrong but now the 20 series, the 2080ti mostly, is insane value, I've seen them go for $300ish and considering they don't fall off the face of the earth in terms of performance on newer vulkan and DX12 game like the 10 series does It's actually quite sad the prices were that messed up because in terms of pure performance the 20 series is an absolutely insane jump, the 2080ti is sometimes 50% faster than the 1080ti, that's more than every other generation jump besides 30 to 40 series.

Got yet another Sega Lindbergh update! I broke my 'No non-C2D hardware' rule to test out the other Lindbergh games as I wanted to see if they worked first before attempting them on the Core 2 Duo potatoes. That way, if the games run like shit on modern hardware then it might be worse on the Core 2 Duos, likewise if the games run good on modern hardware then I can either expect the same passable results on the Core 2 Duos or they become one of those titles too demanding to run on toaster hardware. It would be strange if one or more of the games were too demanding for toaster hardware because the Lindbergh's specs aren't that high since it uses an Intel Pentium 4 CPU CPU : Intel Pentium 4 3.0G HT (800Mhz FSB - 1MB L2 Cache) GFX : NVIDIA GeForce 6 Series GPU GFX Memory : 256MB (256 bit GDDR3) Operating System : Montavista Linux GFX Capabilities : Vertex Shader 3.0, Pixel Shader 3.0 Audio : PCI Sound Card - 3D audio synthesizer chip onboard, possible to have 64 sounds playing simultaneously, 5.1 surround output. Video output: One analog D-Sub, Two Digital DVI outputs. Display : Single or dual monitor support. Can output the same picture to each monitor or different pictures on each monitor, the resolution for each of the 2 monitors can also be different. Sound output: The two front speakers have RCA connectors, SPDIF for full surround. Resolution : HDTV (High Definition) RAM : 1024MB 184pin DDR SD-RAM PC3200 (2x 512MB DDR 400 sticks) LAN : 10/100/1000 TBase Gigabit Network Other : DVD Drive Support, USB2.0 (x4) - Sega ALL.NET online support. Connector Format : JVS Protection : A PIC microcontroller, looking similar to the one used on NAOMI/Triforce/Chihiro but containing considerably different information, locking both the HDD and Compact Flash Cards. All of that being said, I once again had mixed results during testing. First up is the bad news OutRun 2, OutRun 2 SP, Initial D Arcade Stage 5, Hummer Extreme Edition, & The House of the Dead EX refused to load. Virtua Tennis 3 was not an option in the Lindbergh installer script. 2Spicy loads but the graphics were corrupted, which made running & gunning more difficult. Ghost Squad: Evolution loads but everything was stuck in the small bottom right corner screen, better results might be observed in either the original Sega Chihiro version or the Wii port via Dolphin but neither of those options may be feasible for Core 2 Duo hardware. Virtua Fighter 5 Final Showdown loads but performance was a bit slow & it crashed at Stage 5. Sega Race TV, Yu Suzuki's last game before departing from Sega, loads but suffers from slow performances during the races. And now here is the good news Virtua Figher 5 & Virtua Fighter 5 Rev C looks & plays well. Virtua Fighter 5 R is also playable, but the announcer doesn't always say his lines and some sounds that should've played did not. At least it didn't crash as I was able to complete a playthrough. Primeval Hunt, Let's Go Jungle!, and Rambo all played good. There will probably be some difficulty with Primeval Hunt though as it uses a touch-screen to move around the area. After Burner Climax plays great. Might be more beneficial to use a flight stick controller instead of a regular gamepad. Finally, R-Tuned: Ultimate Street Racing played better than Sega Race TV as performance didn't dip during the races. TL:DR: While Virtua Figher 5 Final Showdown is sadly not playable, the other revisions are, amongst a few other titles already mentioned being playable. I am cautiously optimistic that I will get the same results on the 2009 C2D toasters. I have zero expectations of those games working on the 2008 toaster and the craptops from 2008 & 2009.

>>1071688 I'm guessing this isn't one of those 775 system that can take a Core 2 even if it came with a Pentium?

>>1071697 Nobody has taken the Pentium 4 out of a Lindbergh & replaced it with a Core 2 so it's hard to say. I would guess it's not possible for one to swap them out because the Lindbergh hardware uses PC-3200 DDR RAM whereas the Core Solo & Core 2 need PC2-5300 DDR2, to also say nothing of the restrictions Sega might've put on the motherboard. There is a variant of the same hardware called the Lindbergh Red & Red EX, they have better specs than the Lindbergh Yellow as they use the Intel Celeron CPU. CPU : Intel Celeron 2.8ghz GFX : NVIDIA GeForce 7600gs 256mb AGP GFX Memory : 512MB (256 bit GDDR3) Operating System : Montavista Linux GFX Capabilities : Vertex Shader 3.0, Pixel Shader 3.0 Audio : On-board audio. Video output: One analog D-Sub, Two Digital DVI outputs. Display : Single or dual monitor support. Can output the same picture to each monitor or different pictures on each monitor, the resolution for each of the 2 monitors can also be different. Sound output: The two front speakers have RCA connectors, SPDIF for full surround. Resolution : HDTV (High Definition) RAM : 1024MB 184pin DDR SD-RAM PC3200 (2x 512MB DDR 400 sticks) LAN : 10/100/1000 TBase Gigabit Network Other : DVD Drive Support, USB2.0 (x4) - Sega ALL.NET online support. Connector Format : JVS Protection : A PIC microcontroller, looking similar to the one used on NAOMI/Triforce/Chihiro but containing considerably different information, locking both the HDD and Compact Flash Cards. A Silver & Blue version of the Lindbergh exist but I think their specs are the same as Yellow. Its successors, the Sega RingEdge & RingWide, continued using PC hardware & their specs are close to a Core 2 with the only difference being that instead of using linux they used windows embedded standard 2009. RingEdge CPU: Intel Pentium Dual-Core E2160 (1.8 GHz) RAM: 1 GB DDR2 SDRAM (PC-6400) GPU: NVIDIA GeForce 8800GS with 384 MB GDDR3 SDRAM (Shader Model 4.0) Output: 2 DVI ports Storage: 32GB Solid State Drive (SSD) Networking: Gigabit Ethernet (1000BASE-T) Operating System: Microsoft Windows Embedded Standard 2009 Other: 3 USB ports, 5.1 channel HD Audio, Sega ALL.NET online support RingWide CPU: Intel Celeron 440 (2.0 GHz) RAM: 1 GB DDR2 SDRAM (PC-5300) GPU: ATI Radeon HD 2xxx with 128 MB GDDR3 SDRAM (Shader Model 4.0) Output: 1 DVI port Storage: 8GB Compact Flash (CF) Networking: Gigabit Ethernet (1000BASE-T) Operating System: Microsoft Windows Embedded Standard 2009 Other: 2 USB ports, 5.1 channel HD Audio, Sega ALL.NET online And the upgraded successor in 2011, the RingEdge2, uses an Intel Core i3 540 (3GHz) CPU. At that point in time, the Core 2 family was discontinued.

>>1071703 Saged for double posting. Pic of the Lindbergh motherboard with the Pentium 4 chip

>>1071703 Typically Celerons are weaker than Pentiums, especially of the same generation. You should however be able to upgrade to a Pentium D at least.

>>1071704 Oh that's a socket 478 chip, which is the older PGA socket before LGA 775 came out. The best you'd probably be able to stick in there is a Prescott Pentium 4, though I have heard of some modders getting Pentium Ms to go into those sockets which would run circles around a P4

>>1071710 >Typically Celerons are weaker than Pentiums, especially of the same generation Whoops, thought it was other way around cause the Celerons came out later. As far as replacing CPU chips, I don't think one can convert a proprietary arcade system of Sega's & convert it to an all-purpose emulation-station PC. There's no documentation of it other than Lindbergh Yellow games refusing to run on Red & Red EX due to hardware differences, and from what I read its GPU needs a special BIOS (that probably doesn't have a linux distro made for it.) All that can be done at this point would be gutting all of the SEGA hardware out and retro-fitting something like a mini-ITX motherboard & have Batocera installed to run the Lindbergh Loader. Would be nice to have a game dump of BlackJack Nailed Ace, but it doesn't exist at the moment.

>>1071714 >>1071711 In a void it's easy to make a replica PC to run the same games from the platform, those CPUs or better ones from the same line are probably no more than $20 and GeForce cards from that era are aplenty. But if it has some weird BIOS lockout shit then yeah, fuckery is aboot... I know with Bemani PCs you literally just cobble together whatever hardware that is greater-than-or-equal-to the spec and throw Windows XP or 7 embedded and you're off to the races, but the rhythm game autism community has worked hard to crack the DRM bulshittery from Konami.

>>1071378 >Recreating (nearly) the same thing over and over again for every game or program you want to run is retard programing 101 As >>1071536 says, you can put everything in one prefix. But there also are filesystems that allow deduplication, but you would have to scan and have a software tool remove the duplicate files and replace them with symlinks to the single file that remains.

>>1071650 I'm not paying bloated prices for a 4090.

>>1071852 Then don't, just don't pay the retard tax by buying a card that is gonna fail on you like pretty much any 30 series card will

>>1071650 >40 series solves all of those issues except VRAM sizes Yeah, which is why I'm not getting it. I'd rather deal with all that bullshit and have 10 extra gigabytes than be fleeced for intentionally anemic memory. https://youtu.be/TLZSv_U46b8

>>1071869 Well you wanna be a retard, that's your choice Not that you can expect intelligent decisions from someone who can't even count.

>>1071888 Don't know what to say other than being insulted by a proxy shill is the highest honor one can have, so thank you. I refuse to count out over $500 extra dollars from my checking account for "efficiency", that's apple cuckery. I'd rather pay for copper mods and buy >>1071620's chink shit twice, PSU can handle the transients anyways. You can continue to attempt fleecing autists but you're wasting more time than money. Nigger gyp.

Did they stop making 3080s?

>>1071899 You're trying to rationalize buying a card that has fundamental design flaws including some you cannot fix, most likely secondhand so you can't even be sure the guy before you hasn't driven it to within an inch of its life, then you're gonna perform a mod that is extremely easy to fuck up in ways that are terminal for the hardware all that to get mediocre performance and a space heater on hardware that even if new is living on borrowed time. A 7900XTX is a better use of your money

>>1071900 They stopped making 4090s, so probably.

https://videocardz.com/newz/nvidia-gb202-gpu-supply-for-rtx-5090-set-to-increase-retailer-has-147-rtx-5080-cards-but-not-selling-them-separately Fucking hell Nvidia

forgot archive https://archive.ph/wip/a4Cet

>>1071903 >a card that has fundamental design flaws including some you cannot fix Lol, so do next gen cards, pick your poison. https://videocardz.com/newz/der8auer-shows-geforce-rtx-5090-fe-cables-with-uneven-power-distribution-finds-150c-hotspot AMD is the only good GPU maker.

>>1071899 >>1071903 >>1071944 May I ask, what do you need "next gen" cards for anyway?

>>1071945 Gaming and then selling it for $200 more than I paid for when new gpus come out.

>>1071945 AI models, RTX and fake frames.

>>1071944 >AMD is the only good GPU maker. AMD has it's own issues don't fool yourself.

>>1071944 >AMD is the only good GPU maker. AMD has had marginally less big fuckups but performance is often worse and less consistent and the feature set far worse in general so no. >>1071945 Playing older games faster.

>>1071945 I do play relatively modern and demanding titles, and many of them are not really running as well as I honestly think they should on the 3070 I paid inflated jew-flu prices for. Also I want to scroll 4k footage in a video editor without a super low-res proxy

>>1071945 Playing games at 120 FPS

>>1071921 At the risk of some autist sperging over seeing the word: This is cope. Pure cope. If anything, scalpers are already salivating over all the 5090s they'll get to scalp. Huge money. A halo product with the top performance is going to be scalped to hell. The amount of supply needed to offset that won't exist for a very long time. >>1071944 https://inv.nadeko.net/watch?v=oB75fEt7tH0 Direct quote: "I saw a lot of other tech media trying to replicate what I was seeing & I'm absolutely not surprised that pretty much nobody could replicate this." Not that anyone cares as they just want to make house fire memes & "dunk on" nvidia which is pointless since the product keeps selling. I'll recap it anyways. Recap: The issue of the melting connectors the FIRST time (40 series) was discovered to be user error from retarded Redditors not seating the connector all the way. (still possible). The issue discovered this time is uneven load across the pins of the connector causing some wires to get hotter than others. The new issue can be entirely random & change just from unplugging & replugging the connector. The load variation necessary to melt anything is extraordinarily rare & therefore not reproducible which is why this will probably be dismissed as a non-issue & you'll maybe see another minor revision at best. In another test, der8auer cuts 6 of the 8 load wires, then runs the full load of the GPU, 50 amps over just 2 thin wires which does not cause immediate melting. He is able to handle the wires with his bare hands. It demonstrates that high load over those wires is not an instant catastrophic failure like other media had claimed. "Something will fail eventually, but it's not happening instantly." So what can be done? Even the current highest-end board can only MONITOR load on the 16 pins, but cannot CONTROL it, while other boards don't know the current on individual pins AT ALL. So the simple solution is splitting power across multiple connectors as was done in the past because the board is able to load balance that better than COMBINING everything into one connector. If someone made an adapter that took multiple 8 pins & adapted them to a 16 pin connector EXCEPT they added load balancing between the PSU & GPU, that might rectify the issue, but since the chance of catastrophic failure is very low this probably won't happen. As it stands, the majority of melted cables are due to the connector simply not being seated correctly (same as before). Getting a cable to melt due to poor load balancing across the wires is practically impossible during normal use & will likely be dismissed as a non-issue even though it's running out-of-spec.

>>1072110 There's also that one redittor who decided for some reason that trying to plug a Corsair modular cable into an EVGA PSU with a bunch of adaptors (since the connectors do not normally allow you to plug them like that) to power his brand new $3000 GPU was a stellar idea. He probably only did it for the updoots which is even more retarded

>>1072109 Best I can do is 30FPS and x4 Framegen.

>>1071945 Generating A.I. smut.

>>1071949 >Gaming >>1072101 >Playing older games faster. What games can you not play right now that need these new cards? I have a 1660 Ti and it's run every game I've thrown at it up to 2019 at 1080p, 60 fps, and max settings. >>1072118 >>1071956 >AI models Hasn't DeepSeek basically shown that the problem is the AI models, not a lack of power? >fake frames >>1072109 >Playing games at 120 FPS Isn't the joke that it actually requires more power to make these "fake frames" than it does to actually have the game properly run at 60 FPS or even 120 fps? >>1072102 >I do play relatively modern and demanding titles, and many of them are not really running as well as I honestly think they should Just as with DeepSeek, doesn't that show that the problem is not the cards? It's the programs themselves.

>>1072127 >What games can you not play right now that need these new cards? Dirt Rally 2.0, had a 1080ti before and that didn't cut it for 1080p120 max setting

>>1072128 What was the maximum amount of framerate that you could get?

>>1072129 45-90ish depending on track and condition.

>>1072127 >Hasn't DeepSeek basically shown that the problem is the AI models, not a lack of power? That's more to do with processing than memory.

>>1072127 Helldivers 2 crashes consistently for some AMD card users like me, even for 7900xtxs, and my framerate is about 40 on low without the ingame upscaling. I also have framedrops in ring racers with either graphics engine, which runs on a modified doom engine.

>>1072130 >45-90ish This could be because of my incredibly low standards, but I fail to see why your bitching then. If you're topping at 90 FPS and averaging somewhere around 60, where's the issue? >>1072132 >Helldivers 2 crashes consistently for some AMD card users like me, even for 7900xtxs, and my framerate is about 40 on low without the ingame upscaling https://www.pcgamingwiki.com/wiki/Helldivers_2#Video >I also have framedrops in ring racers with either graphics engine, which runs on a modified doom engine. Your computer is incapable of running a game engine that was created in 1993, and became open source in 1997?

>>1072134 I'm incapable of running a game with maps made by 16 year olds 5 years ago, yes. The courses with rendered flowing water like sunset hills are the greatest offenders.

>>1072134 Also that link doesn't prove anything since it's everything cranked to max on someone probably not experiencing random crashes.

>>1072134 >where's the issue? Framerate variations look like shit and anything below 120 on a racing game that intense is not very fun to look at for very long. >Your computer is incapable of running a game engine that was created in 1993, and became open source in 1997? I see you're not familiar with Graf Zahal and his fork of the DOOM engine called GZDOOM

>>1072137 >I'm incapable of running a game with maps made by 16 year olds 5 years ago, yes. Could it be due to shit coding? >>1072139 >I see you're not familiar with Graf Zahal and his fork of the DOOM engine called GZDOOM Doesn't that have spyware installed within it? Also, Ring Racers is built with Doom Legacy: https://github.com/KartKrewDev/RingRacers >Framerate variations look like shit and anything below 120 on a racing game that intense is not very fun to look at for very long. As someone who actually does play a lot of racing games, I'm calling bullshit.

>>1072140 >As someone who actually does play a lot of racing games, I'm calling bullshit. picrel

>>1072143 No, I'm calling bullshit on your claim that a game feels "wrong" if it's playing anything below 90 when majority of games, for God knows why, struggle with anything above 30, and you ahve developers coming out left and right declaring that they absolutely "cannot" get a game to render about 30 fps when 1080p 60 fps used to be the standard for "next gen games" until developers got lazy. If you're talking about issues like frame tearing, that I can sympathize with. But as far as your "muh framerate" problem, just turn on Vsync.

>>1072144 What framerate does Mario Kart 64 run at, especially in multiplayer? Because when that game came out, nobody thought it was "unplayable." Nobody thought about framerates at all. All we knew was that the game was awesome, and only got more awesome with more players. But I bet that shit probably runs at like 15 FPS when you're playing four player.

>>1072145 >What framerate does Mario Kart 64 run at, especially in multiplayer? Because when that game came out, nobody thought it was "unplayable." Why are you bringing up Mario Kart 64's frame rate when it was surpassed by F-Zero X running at 60 fps on the same system?

>>1072146 Because Mario Kart 64 is also good, and everyone loves it, and I bet it runs like shit, especially in four player, but nobody noticed even thought about it because framerate autism wasn't as much of a thing back then. Instead people just played fun games. F-Zero has nothing to do with my point of framerate autism being stupid.

>>1072147 >but nobody noticed even thought about it because framerate autism wasn't as much of a thing back then Frame rate autism wasn't as prevalent back then because many of those games were the bleeding edge back in their day, with majority of the people caring being the developers themselves. And general public still wasn't "that" autistic about until we started getting towards the latter half of the seventh generation. When, after we had a whole slew of games that prided themselves are running at 60 fps and/or 1080p, developers then cut everything back to games now running at sub 480p resolutions and being lucky to average at 30 fps. And it only continued further when you had the pompousness attitudes that arose with graphics card autism where people would go ballistic if a game dropped one frame for a fraction of a second. So now the entire landscape is operating in two extremes and no one is happy.

>>1072127 Advancements like DeepSeek lower the bar of entry for LLMs. I'd like to see these advancements in other areas, especially in A.I. video generation which is ridiculously taxing currently. Yet these advancements wouldn't only mean "you don't need a 5090 for this anymore" but also "your 5090 can do this task faster & better now". Imagine if there were some advancement to image generation so ALL the bars on this graph had to be updated & increased.

>>1072162 I regret selling my 2060. I should've kept it to make another build.

>>1072162 That's an old chart using SD1.5, but you get the idea.

>>1072139 >and anything below 120 on a racing game that intense is not very fun to look at for very long. Lmao fuck off, git gud and grow a spine, retard. I bet that if You play NFS MW at 30 FPS, You would have a heart attack, then. If you can't play something like a Racing Game, comfortable, at 30 FPS, or even 45 FPS, then youre just a whiny fag >>1072143 >DiRT Rally <Not even F1, or Colin McRae, or even something like DriveClub, nor Moto GP or Motorsport Lmao, get a grip, i played that shit with no problems in a toaster at 30-35FPS, and it wasn't world ender

>>1072183 >"I have low standards"

>>1072183 I can't play 3D C&C games at anything above 30 and I still think it sucks despite loving them and playing them regularly. Terminator Dark Fate: Defiance ran at sub 15 FPS at times due to spaghetti slav code and I enjoyed it, but I still thought it was shit. Playing it now at 100 FPS feels fucking amazing.

Overall: Technology good. Price bad. Higher frame rate feels nicer to play on while it'll be argued whether new visual bells & whistles add anything. Games industry is churning out shit anymore, but newer games aren't the only thing benefiting from newer hardware. Have some silly images from my tech folder.

>>1072196 I could understand cockroaches or ants, but fucking wasps? How in the fuck?

>>1072196 Time to burn down your home, your city block and your entire neighborhood. Wasps are a bad sign.

Working on putting the chart together for my Core 2 Duo Project, I haven't decided how it should look or what relevant information should be added besides the general compatibility of the platforms tested & the specs of the craptops & toasters. Thoughts?

>>1072128 I'm going to test it myself and see if I can help you out 🤙

>>1072198 >>1072199

>>1072243 What do the colors mean? I need more information.

>>1072441 Green >playable with no issues Yellow >Playable with caveats (I.E., NAOMI games work as long as the resolution isn't set higher than 640x480. Any increase in resolution causes performance drops. Virtua Fighter 5 on Lindbergh plays great, but Sega Race TV suffers from performance drops) Orange >Runs, but suffers from major performance loss. Red >Unplayable White >Not yet tested

>>1072443 Gotcha, best of luck

>>1072443 Forgot to add >none of it is game specific as most titles should run okay within in their emulators, it is more general platform compatibility at a glance for the C2D machines. There shouldn't be that one game on the Dreamcast or PS1 that still has emulation problems. If one or two titles used as that platform's benchmarks work, than the rest of the library should be good to emulate.

The jayztwocents video dodging around the NDA for 5070ti is pretty funny, they gave him a gpu and said it represents all $750 gpus except every 5070 ti is $900-1k including his, except for a zotac or that other cheap brand still at msrp.

>>1072446 >except every 5070 ti is $900-1k Why bother, all for 16 gigs? Even that frankensteined 20gb 3080ti being resold for $550 is still cheaper than what is being offered two gens later, with 15% worse perf than the 50/4070ti, plenty of AMD gpu's too like the 7800XT/7900 GRE are also good value. It's getting so bad that on the MSRP side of things that gamers nexus has made multiple videos on it. The 5000 series is only good for VRfags I hear, so other than power effiency, nobody is missing anything. https://youtu.be/8s4hxa2TjWY

>>1072443 >>1072243 >n64 Is Mupen64plus that performance intensive? I remember PJ64 1.6 running like a champ on CPUs preceding the C2D.

>>1072504 >Is Mupen64plus that performance intensive? It largely depends on the game as some will be playable with certain configurations made and others will have problems that make them not worth emulating, that is why I went with yellow. I did a quick test on my 2008 toaster to demonstrate. Mario Golf 64 >looks the best on Libretro Mupen64plus-Next, but has audio & gameplay performance dips >plays better on Libretro Parallel N64, but will always have the water texture on the top left corner of screen regardless of graphics plugin >looks & plays the best on Mupen64plus Glide64MK2, but has occasional graphic glitches ('Sink to Win/Miss and Lose' message when putting against rivals caused the stage to darken a bit before it got fixed after the message disappeared. Slight corruptions in black border.) <doesn't load on Mupen64plus GlideN64 <has performance & graphic issues on Mupen64plus Rice Getter Love >looks the best on Libretro Mupen64plus-Next, but has audio & gameplay performance dips >plays better on Libretro Parallel N64. GLN64 has the least amount of graphic issues compared to Rice & Glide64, but it's still not perfect <gameplay performance is acceptable, but suffers more problems on Mupen64plus Glide64MK2 (Using an item caused a flickering screen) <loads on Mupen64plus GlideN64, but gameplay is way too slow <good performance but graphic issues on Mupen64plus Rice

>>1072585 Saged for double posting Screenshots for Getter Love

>>1071945 Hardware video encoding/decoding for better video streaming and video editing. It's a mess when working with some older parts. https://archive.is/EVrYM

Core 2 Duo Project update Finally got around to trying out Duckstation on the 2008 desktop. I speculated here >>1069254 that the toaster should be able to run Duckstation with its enhancements if it can emulate the Dreamcast nicely. I am pleased to say that Duckstation works despite the toaster's OpenGL version not meeting the minimal recommendation! I used Bloody Roar II & R4 - Ridge Racer Type 4 to benchmark Duckstation & the other available PS1 emulators. All the games played well with the rendering resolution set to 2x (640x480) except on Libretro Mednafen PSX where it caused performance issues, so setting it to 1x native resolution (320x240) fixes the problem. Thinking about the WIP infograph I'm making, I think it would make more sense if I changed the green color meaning from >playable with no issues to >playable with no issues, safe to increase rendering resolution And probably drop the orange color because yellow can still infer to the major caveats like some titles not being as playable

Core 2 Duo Project update again I have finally put together the infograph but there's still a few last batch of tests to conduct before I can finally say the project is finished, as indicated by the question marks I've put on on the squares. Thoughts on how it looks?

Im thinking of getting a 3090 / 3090 ti for ai local use. I can get one for about 800$ aud. It would also replace my 6750xt for gaming. Good idea?

>>1072492 >The 5000 series is only good for VRfags I hear Is it? If you're already using 40 series cards, then 50 series is only going to give you marginal improvements for a hefty premium prices. DLSS4 may be a "game changer", but doesn't the game need to specifically support DLSS4 - which none of them really do. And even if it can just be injected in to any VR title - what is it going to do to visual quality? Existing attempts to insert fake frames like DLSS3 and ASW cause horrible wobbling and ghosting on edges, while the upscaling aspect of DLSS causes just makes the blurriness and artificing all the more obvious. Someone made a mod for ATS recently that added TAA to American Truck Simulator VR since the stair stepping is pretty horrendous in that game. Everyone was loosing their shit about how amazing it was, so I tried it out. It was such a blurry and smeary mess that it felt like my Reverb G2 had been downgraded to a Meta Quest 2. So I'm skeptical of VRfags who claim some mystical downloadable ram is going to be a "gamechanger".

>>1072946 sure

>>1072946 If you absolutely must have that juicy 24GB and won't go 4090, go with a 3090ti.

>>1072950 It's nice since you can run most models, even if it isn't realtime for the AV ones and slower for the rest.

>>1072946 If it's for AI, that's not too bad. I'd be concerned about the price but if it's a TI then yeah, 800 should be a decent deal I think.

>>1072948 >>1072950 >>1072962 Cool thank you

I'm planning on building a new computer but just waiting for new parts to come out. Is there anything I should be buying now? I heard that storage will be going up in price because PCIe Gen5 is slowly coming out and they are stopping manufacturing older Gens. Should I just buy storage now or wait? And is there anything else I should get sooner rather than later?

>>1072978 >buying parts https://downloadmoreram.com/

>>1072978 You could be spendinf time looking at websites new and second hand for good deals on things. Thats maybe the one upside to taking time to buying parts slowly

>>1072947 >is it? Guess so. https://youtu.be/ue_IBysnP-0 Personally, I'm saving up the dosh for the next gen 6090 because I'd like a solid high end VR build including full indulgence in hyper reality shota/furry/lizard/interracial/toddlercon/horror/irl rape & murder simulation stuff.

Has anyone ever considered that when the AI bubble pops this year that it will take cryptocurrency with it? From what I'm hearing in a lot of financial circles, people are starting to see the entire AI boom as repeating the same mistakes of the Dot Com crash from 25 years ago. And it seems like many of the companies participating are also realizing this since the release of DeepSeek, and are just trying to figure out what exactly will be the "tell tale" signs that it's going to come crashing down hard. However something I just realized is that, in discussions related to GPUs and their prices, no one is talking about crypto-mining anymore. In case you don't remember, GPU prices began skyrocketing in 2021 because you had a lot of foreign companies buying up all of the stock for the purposes mining any and every cryptocurrency announced and released into the wild. And with the explosion of AI models in 2023, it almost seems like everyone dropped crypto and blockchain for AI being the next big "step" on technological advancement without skipping a beat. So it just made men wonder what happened to all of those crypto-mining data centers, or are all of those same places now being used for AI data centers.

>>1073078 >GPU prices began skyrocketing in 2021 Don't you mean 2017? That's when chinks started buying up AMD and novidya cards to mine Ethereum en masse, which only stopped once the coin switched to a proof of stake model in early 2022. This and the economic fallout from Corona helicopter money led to a brief collapse in GPU prices to MSRP levels, only for demand to skyrocket again with the release of Stable Diffusion in summer of that same year. t. bogged an new AMD GPU with 8GB VRAM in 2015 for 400 dollarydoos only for used models of the same card to go by 1500-3000 ameripeso on eGay in late 2017 because the Ethereum blockchain grew too big to fit inside 4GB, this also explains why everyone back then who wasn't lucky, chinese or a priority breadtuber went for the GTX 1060 3GB as the 6GB models were extremely rare outside of Chinese-owned datacenters

>>1073078 >Has anyone ever considered that when the AI bubble pops this year that it will take cryptocurrency with it? But it won't pop, anon. Neither will crypto. Global government wants both of these things, and the entirety of the economy is purposely written into law to support them. If anything happens to "threaten" them (nothing can, because nothing happens outside of government purview), those industries would simply receive a bail-out.

>>1072944 It's good. It's easy enough to understand both the intent and the information being presented.

>>1073083 >Don't you mean 2017? No, I meant 2021 because I built my own computer in 2020 for $1k, and all I saw over the next year was constant bitching over even bottom barrel GPUs hitting four digits in prices because of crypto mining.

>>1072944 really nice, good job anon Some of my fondest times is being a poorfag with shitty 2008 notebook and playing retro games like mpeg related and Red Alert 2.

>>1073116 *when I first moved for college Forgot to add that in

>>1073091 It didn't stop and likely won't until the entire western sphere's economic, societal and political structure burns to the ground, but it didn't start in 2021. What would /v/'s ideal open sores RISC-V grafigs accelerator look like? >>1073084 <

The RTX 5000 series of GPUs have dropped 32-bit PhysX support. Some notable games that use it include Mirror's Edge, Alice: Madness Returns, Borderlands 2, Metro 2033, Metro: Last LIght, Batman: Arkham Asylum, Batman: Arkham City, and Batman: Arkham Origins. There's a lot more, but those games are likely abandoned (like Blur). https://archive.is/OOVAe

>>1073155 Is that at the firmware or driver level? If it's a driver thing then some autist could meme it back in.

>>1073155 Whoever made that video is fucking retarded for not having parity between his tests and showing the FPS for both.

>>1073155 >dropped 32-bit PhysX support >dropped 32-bit support Quite the timing after I just posted my WIP infograph yesterday saying they would later become unusable. >>1073156 >Is that at the firmware or driver level? The RTX 50 article it sources says <Now, this doesn’t mean you can’t use PhysX in games like Borderlands 2 on an RTX 50 series GPU. In fact, you can force the game to run GPU-based PhysX, similar to how it works on AMD cards. But—and this is a big but—the performance is once again not great, with one user reporting drops below 60 FPS just from standing still and shooting a shock gun at a wall. Leaning towards driver because I am getting a flashback of that one autist who said that windows 7 is able to run some modern software with a few lines of code changed &, IIRC, DIrectX12 that microsoft only gives if you kiss their ring.

>>1073156 >>1073160 According to the support page, it's a driver issue. Maybe some compatibility layer could be made to replace it. Now that RTX is the current talking point for NVIDIA, HairWorks and FleX is conveniently forgotten by most gamers. OptiX is still supported because it involves ray tracing. https://archive.is/lmRAN

Whatever happened to that thread from a month or so back that had a list of a bunch of unique software and OSes to check out? I've been distro-hopping a lot recently and I quite enjoyed that one, having been trying to find an operating system that fits my Homestuck sensibilities forever. I tried fucking with 11, 10, and especially 7, including a weird live server setup I found from some Russian guy, Linux Mint and Void Linux, but nothing has really stuck.

>>1073162 >Whatever happened to that thread from a month or so back that had a list of a bunch of unique software and OSes to check out? It was a thread? Are you sure it wasn't >>1072797

>>1073148 How is >>1073084 bait? >But it won't pop, anon. Neither will crypto. Global government wants both of these things, and the entirety of the economy is purposely written into law to support them. If anything happens to "threaten" them (nothing can, because nothing happens outside of government purview), those industries would simply receive a bail-out. He has arguments, do you or are you just retarded?

>>1073155 THE MORE YOU BUY, THE REST GOES BYE

>>1073161 >Now that RTX is the current talking point for NVIDIA, HairWorks and FleX is conveniently forgotten by most gamers. OptiX is still supported because it involves ray tracing. I don't know even one person who bought a game for hair physics or ray tracing.

>>1073168 There are entire games being released that have ray tracing as a hardware requirement now. And people strive to play things like Cyberpunk with ray tracing on all the time. It's clearly a desirable technology and eventually going to be the future of game lighting. It's just a feature that isn't feasible for anyone but those that can afford $3000 halo products.

>>1073171 I'm just waiting for the GPU than can have cyberbloat 2077 run at a locked 60 with psycho gay tracing at 4gay

>>1073182 While I'm more then happy to shit on team green, this seems flaky.

>>1073231 He throws 7 grenades in the first clip, and 3 in the second. It could be the case that the 5080 is still way worse, but we'll never know because the two clips aren't even remotely comparable, and the second doesn't even show the FPS counter. Such a retarded fucking video because it takes what might be a slam dunk against nvidia and just makes people talk about how stupid the guy who made the video is.

>>1073233 It's fucking retarded.

>>1073231 >>1073233 It's because the 50-series dropped physx support.

>>1073182 >>1073231 >>1073233 >>1073240 <all this shitty fluffing without one post calling out the soundless cuckchan webm Why don't you rapefugees make proper use of the site and post the original video? I encoded this on my phone, I'm literally phoneposting right now and yet my phonepost is beating you guys out on quality. You can see one explosion by itself cripples the framerate in the full video which cannot be reposted under cuckchan limits. Fuck PPH if this is what passes for discussion. what horrifies me is that I found out Discuck of all websites was moving to AV1, and the utter stupidity in which its dumbass userbase wasted its potential, this site as tattered as it is has to stay ahead

>>1073252 frames don't make sound and you bloated the filesize :^)

>>1073155 >>1073160 >>1073161 >>1073247 So much for modern computers being able to play "decades" wotrh of vidya.

>>1073254 Sure man, whatever helps you feel better.

>>1073160 >Quite the timing after I just posted my WIP infograph yesterday saying they would later become unusable. This is software played on a modern system though. A gaming PC from 2012 could play that shit fine. >>1073157 Nigger going to sub-20 FPS is not normal, we don't need an autistic benchmark to see it fucking sucks. >>1073233 Can you scroll up you retarded gorilla nigger >>1073155 "W-we need real comparable benchmarks" who gives a fuck, go suck Richard Leadbetter's cock or something. A 2012 game being under 20 fps is not normal. These games ran perfectly on a GTX 670. In normal gameplay on Borderlands 2 there is PhysX shit all over the place because they wanted to milk that gimmick as much as possible. Water, rubble, poison, and slag flings PhysX shit all over the place. It caused a stir because AMD users couldn't play the game beyond 10FPS with that setting on back then. As it stands, RTX 5000 series makes playing those certain games from that era with the most graphical fidelity a mess. So fuck NVIDIA.

>>1073155 Holy shit, it runs worse than even the most taxing emulators. NVIDIA implemented Starfield technolojeet

>>1073233 My brother in christ, do you seriously not feel the framerate tank? Even if the video was 30fps, you'd still see the latency.

>>1073264 >>1073271 He was pointing out that the comparison left shills an excuse, you dunkasses. Obviously the game runs like dogshit for the stated reasons that everyone is discussing but the fact that the test wasn't 1:1 and that the capture was slightly different is enough to give ammo to team green nuthuggers.

>>1073252 >>1073182 Time to wait for the community to fix this shit With any luck it might also mean AMD GPUs get to also run that stuff well instead of being stuck on 1 CPU core.

https://archive.is/2YUIk NVIDIA GeForce RTX 5090 Spotted with Missing ROPs, Performance Loss Confirmed >TechPowerUp has discovered that there are NVIDIA GeForce RTX 5090 graphics cards in retail circulation that come with too few render units, which lowers performance. Zotac's GeForce RTX 5090 Solid comes with fewer ROPs than it should—168 are enabled, instead of the 176 that are part of the RTX 5090 specifications. >Two days ago, one of our readers who goes by "Wuxi Gamer," posted this thread on the TechPowerUp Forums, reporting that his retail Zotac RTX 5090 Solid was showing fewer ROPs in GPU-Z than the RTX 5090 should have. Lo and behold—our sample is missing ROPs, too! GPU-Z is able to read and report these units counts, in this case through NVIDIA's NVAPI driver interface. The 8 missing ROPs constitute a 4.54% loss in the GPU's raster hardware capability >In the first test, "Elden Ring" at 4K UHD with maxed out settings and native resolution (no DLSS), you can see how the Zotac RTX 5090 Solid falls behind every other RTX 5090 we tested, including the NVIDIA Founders Edition, a de facto reference-design that establishes a performance baseline for the RTX 5090. The Zotac card is 5.6% slower than the FE, and 8.4% slower than the ASUS ROG Astral RTX 5090 OC, the fastest custom design card for this test. Officially, the Solid is clocked at 2407 MHz rated boost frequency, which matches the Founders Edition clocks—it shouldn't be significantly slower in real-life. The interesting thing is that the loss of performance is not visible when monitoring the clock frequencies, because they are as high as expected—there's just fewer units available to take care of the rendering workload. >Update 14:22 UTC: Apparently the issue isn't specific to Zotac, HXL posted a screenshot of an MSI RTX 5090D, the China-specific variant of the RTX 5090 with nerfed compute performance, but which is supposed to have 176 ROPs. Much like the Zotac RTX 5090 Solid, it has 8 missing ROPs. Fake frames, fake prices, fake specifications.

>>1073252 >why don't you talk about irrelevant meta shitflinging instead of video games guys??? Kill yourself retard. >>1073264 >>1073271 Obviously I can see that physx is crippling the card you retarded niggers. I'm pointing out that comparing it to an earlier generation card is completely fucking pointless if you're going to throw half the grenades and not even include the fucking FPS counter. Either benchmark properly or don't benchmark at all.

>>1073315 >Either benchmark properly or don't benchmark at all. Why not use these tools: https://www.pcgamingwiki.com/wiki/List_of_games_with_built-in_benchmarks

>>1073317 It's perfectly fine to benchmark a specific instance of a game manually. You just need to actually do the same thing. There is no point in including the comparison shot otherwise.

>>1073315 >Obviously I can see that physx is crippling the card you retarded niggers It's not crippling the card, it's running on the CPU because the card doesn't have support for it.

I wonder if there's a board contest for the most encodes of the same video.

>>1073309 This really is the train wreck that keeps on giving. >>1073155 (checked) Nvidia really is trying to pull everything they can to piss people off.

>>1073323 That 9800X3D is clearly a shitty CPU then :^)

>>1073309 I went down a rabbithole of bad journalism trying to find the difference between 5090 & 5090D since I wondered if Zotac was somehow getting the shitty Chinese version. What I found said: >5090 has 24,576 CUDA cores >5090D has 21,760 CUDA cores This is apparently FALSE because official specs listed on nvidia's own website claim the regular 5090 has 21,760 CUDA cores, not 24,576. So now I don't know what the actual fucking difference is except maybe a lower power budget. Another article claimed there is no difference. A lot of these faggots just copy-paste each other so if something is wrong it's wrong everywhere & if something is missing information it's missing that same information everywhere.

>>1073182 >>1073247 >the 50-series dropped physx support Makes no sense. Been a part of their driver package for decades. It's not like they have to maintain something that does the same thing across the same old existing games right? I had to look this shit up. https://nvidia.custhelp.com/app/answers/detail/a_id/5615 >32-bit CUDA applications cannot be developed or debugged using CUDA 12.0 or later toolkit for any target architecture. Use the CUDA Toolkit from earlier releases for 32-bit compilation. So what, because you can't dev 32-bit Physx on the newer CUDA toolkit they just removed supporting it on 50 series altogether even with an existing slew of games still using it? >CUDA Driver will continue to support running 32-bit application binaries on GeForce RTX 40 (Ada), GeForce RTX 30 series (Ampere), GeForce RTX 20/GTX 16 series (Turing), GeForce GTX 10 series (Pascal) and GeForce GTX 9 series (Maxwell) GPUs. So it works on 40-series & has simply been arbitrarily removed on 50-series? How'd they have it supported so long & suddenly it gets axed when the hardware could easily still run it? All these Nvidia Physx games will now have the "AMD experience" on 50-series, so the games runs, but you can't use Physx as it runs on the CPU which doesn't run it well enough & tanks performance. For a company marketing around their exclusive features this doesn't instill much confidence that all this other shit they're peddling is going to keep functioning. Considering how many games use it this is some stupid shit. Maybe if someone with a big enough audience bitches about it they can change things, but I wouldn't hold my breath. Best case scenario would be an open source workaround so everyone, including AMD, can use Physx, but that'll never happen.

>>1073417 >Considering how many games use it this is some stupid shit. Maybe if someone with a big enough audience bitches about it they can change things, but I wouldn't hold my breath. Best case scenario would be an open source workaround so everyone, including AMD, can use Physx, but that'll never happen. How about you just stop buying new cards? Unless you're using them for crypto-mining or AI generation, you're wasting your money.

>>1073264 >we don't need an autistic benchmark to see it fucking sucks. Nigger I'm no fan of Jensen and co, but that comparison does a very poor job. Not showing the FPS or etc? There are proper ways to give Jensen his rope but this isn't it.

>>1073417 I imagine it's more about removing it from the hardware real estate rather than firmware/driver.

>>1073315 >Kill yourself retard Not an argument nor has it ever won any.

>>1073256 They can provided you're running Linux. >>1073417 >open source workaround To my knowledge Nvidia themselves dumped the entire PhysX source code into the public domain years ago, so with enough interest a reimplementation is certainly possible. >>1073407 Novidya artificially gimps base-level PhysX on the CPU by using x87 instructions so it runs slowly and convinces goyim to buy more graphics, this was known as far back as 2008.

>>1073155 >>1073392 That would be funny, but encoding/decoding in general deserves to be discussed more. Make a tech thread here (if there isn't any): >>>/t/ As for the PhysX video posted, there's a followup released showing how a 980Ti performs compared to a 5080 in Mirror's Edge and Borderlands 2. Here's a YT link in case anyone wants to attempt a better encode. https://inv.nadeko.net/watch?v=RsJKNAvaC1Y

If anyone buys a 50 series you need to be fucking shot.

>>1073590 muh AI though. What if a couple 5090s can fully run a llm+stable diffusion+tts voice cloning desktop Rei that will comment on how stupid my basket weaving imageboard posts are?

>>1073392 >I wonder if there's a board contest for the most encodes of the same video. That was mostly done in the early 8chan days. Sorry, I don't have the Star Trek one.

>>1073569 Challenge accepted and completed. Since AV1-PSY finally got partially merged into SVT-AV1 mainline, I might experiment with a command-line general purpose template. ffmpeg -i input.mkv -c:v libsvtav1 -crf 56 -preset 4 -g 9999 -svtav1-params tune=0:fast-decode=2:recode-loop=3:startup-mg-size=3:scd=1 -pix_fmt yuv420p10le -c:a libopus -b:a 32k output.webm

>>1073572 It's your fault, redditor. You just didn't plug it in all the way. :^)

>>1073572 >>1073650 Is there mods to allow the card to mitigate the melties? As already pointed out, it's just the simple physics issue of more energy being shoved through a small wire. So the only way to solve this is to: spread it through more wires, dump it into a bigger wire, or limit the power going through. You can also put a heatsink on the input, but if you're doing that, shits fucked. But, if the slot can't handle the load, can the rest of the card even handle it?

>>1073660 Dunno. Underclocking all the cards so they can't draw their TDP, perhaps? I honestly want one of the big server farms buying up nVidia cards to catch fire because of this and lose tens of billions in investment.

>>1073664 You can solve a lot of heat issues by using expensive cooling setups, something a datacenter could have the time and money to figure out, but the 12V-2x6 pins melting might not be one of them. If Nvidia doesn't push for higher consumer sales volume, relying on datacenters to make their billions might not work. They'll just stick with the 4090s which are easier to cool and whose problems have already been worked out. Nvidia's freefalling stock might only just be getting started. This is a massive fuckup you can't really fix through repairs, you'd have to adjust the model, release new ones, and pull the old ones. On top of the compute cores being occasionally falsely advertised. Undervolting the GPU means you functionally get a shittier card. And if the undervolting tanks performance to be worse than a 4090, why upgrade at all? Better vram? Get another 4090 card instead. That being said, didn't the 4090 perform very well when undervolted? I think I remember seeing a comparison and the 5090 sucking massive cock in that department. AMD does have datacenter GPUs that aren't bad, their software just isn't as good as Nvidia... or good in general. If a smarter CEO was at the top (or one that could wrangle the goddamn marketing team- supposedly) they'd fix up their software issues (make it a cooperative standard with Intel?) then they'll take up that market just by being smarter/reliable/easier purchases. Boom, there goes Nvidia's bubble.

>>1073665 >That being said, didn't the 4090 perform very well when undervolted? You seem to be right. https://inv.nadeko.net/watch?v=mm2FsdBBBoo

>>1073660 The astral photo had a capacitor igniting, not wire. >>1073664 Datacenters have fire suppression, would only happen to gopnik vps cabinets for seedboxes and imageboarders.

>>1073732 >>Datacenters have fire suppression Yes, I'm sure the rest of the cabinets that didn't catch fire will love being doused in at best water, or worse, dry chemical extinguisher, which is extremely corrosive. Fire suppression is meant to save the infrastructure of the building, not the contents. As for solving the card's melting down, short of asking the engineer's not to fail remedial electrical engineering, this guy has a few good ideas.

>>1073747 I don't think that video would help for some of these new fire incidents, although it might.

>>1073732 Why would a seedbox and imageboard hosting VPS host use GPUs in its serbian racks? Neither 8moe nor any of the webring members offer AI serbises, and I haven't heard of AI-assisted torrent seeding.

>>1073785 Honestly, I'm morbidly curious what a bot/AI-only board would look like. Probably like CY±10 cuckchannel, but somehow slightly less shit.

>>1073785 No clue either, maybe a peertube instance. Just listing the only reasons someone might want a copyright-ignoring host.

>>1073309 Nvidia has now acknowledged the issue, and said it's a manufacturing error that affects "less than 0.5%" of 5090s and 7050Tis. That number is strongly suspected to be fake, given the number of cards that have been observed to have it. Their statement also did not mention the 5080 which has been spotted with the same issue.

>>1074010 Could just be they're including stock that hasn't sold yet.